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danvon:
From the Bible

lool.
the Old Testament teaches that Satan is an angel who is only doing his job.
where did the new testament get its version from.

know this....... in Judaism. angels have no freewill. , that includes ha'satan

danvon:
After he has gone to study he comes back with Phd, well like I said earlier it doesn't matter it appears in the New Testament, you can't deny the New Testament and believe the Old Testament simple as that I know you don't believe the law of moses in that Old Testament your using

lool, I don't believe the Old Testament.


now answer the question

where did Christianity get its concept of Satan from?

Ferisidowu:
@urahara

We got it from 1 peter 5:8

Here is a commentary e sober,
be vigilant.... The apostle had exhorted to each of these before; see 1Pe 1:13 but thought fit to repeat them; sobriety and watchfulness being exceeding necessary and useful in the Christian life; and the one cannot well be without the other: unless a man is sober in body and mind, he will not be watchful, either over himself or others, or against the snares of sin, Satan, and the world; and if he is not on his watch and guard, he is liable to every sin and temptation. The Syriac version renders the words, "watch", and "be ye mindful", or "remember"; watch with diligence, care, and industry, keeping a good lookout, minding and observing everything that presents, and remembering the power and cunning of the enemy; and the Ethiopic version renders them thus, "be ye prudent, and cause your heart to understand"; referring them not to temperance of body, but sobriety of mind, and to a prudent conduct and behaviour, as having a subtle as well as a malicious enemy to deal with:

because your adversary the devil; he who is a defamer and calumniator; who accuses God to men, and men to God, and is therefore styled the accuser of the brethren; he is the saints' avowed and implacable enemy. Satan is an enemy to mankind in general, but more especially to the seed of the woman, to Christ personal, and to Christ mystical, to all the elect of God: the word here used is a forensic term, and signifies a court adversary, or one that litigates a point in law, or opposes another in an action or suit at law. The Jews c have adopted this word into their language, and explain it by בעל דין, "a law adversary", or one that has a suit of law depending against another. Satan accuses men of the breach of the law, and pleads that justice might take place, and punishment be inflicted, and which he pursues with great violence and diligence:

as a roaring lion; so called, both on account of his strength, and also because of his rage, malice, and cruelty, which he breathes out against the saints, who, though he cannot destroy them, will do all he can to terrify and affright them; so the young lions in
Ps 104:21 are, by the Cabalistic Jews d, understood of devils; to which, for the above reasons, they may be truly compared:
walketh about; to and fro in the earth; see Job 1:7 as a lion runs about here and there, when almost famished with hunger; and it also denotes the insidious methods, wiles, and stratagems Satan takes to surprise men, and get an advantage of them: he takes a tour, and comes round upon them, upon the back of them, at an unawares, so that they have need to be always sober, and upon their guard:
seeking whom he may devour; this is the end of his walking about: and the like is expressed in the Targum on Job 1:7
"and Satan answered before the Lord, and said, from going about in the earth למבדק בעובדי, "to search into the works" of the children of men, and from walking in it;''
that so he might have something to accuse them of, and they fall a prey into his hands. This is the work he is continually employed in; he is always seeking to do mischief, either to the souls, or bodies, or estates of men, especially the former; though he can do nothing in either respect without a permission, not unless he "may"; and though this, with respect to body and estate, is sometimes granted, as in the case of Job, yet never with respect to the souls of any of God's elect, which are safe in Christ's hands, and out of his reach; this hinders not but that saints should be sober and watchful.

Cc danvon

danvon:
Isaiah 14:12-15 even the op admitted it

looooool.

don't lie on my head. read my refutation

danvon:
Verdict Passed: "Christians got their Idea from the Old Testament"... LA fin

looooool.

typical Christian. response

danvon:
your Bible is fake, honestly I was expecting you to say that, you atheists are somehow predictable
King James Bible "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, SON of the MORNING! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
Isaiah:14:12, son of the morning, not morning star, only in satanic Bibles like the one you are using, that's compares Jesus with Lucifer

Lucifer is a Latin word that means the morning star

danvon:
your Bible is fake, honestly I was expecting you to say that, you atheists are somehow predictable
King James Bible "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, SON of the MORNING! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
Isaiah:14:12, son of the morning, not morning star, only in satanic Bibles like the one you are using, that's compares Jesus with Lucifer

looool u should know better.

the word Lucifer has never meant Satan.

it is a Latin word which means " bringer of light "


it is a title not the name of a person

correctguy101:
I usually say this. One man's believer is another man's infidel. We're all infidels to the differing cultures and religions.

A Christian is a musulman's infidel and a Muslim is a Christian's infidel and the finger pointing goes on for both are infidels and idolaters to a Jew....

People like myself and you and many others I know on here are pretty proud and albeit comfortable to be everybody's infidel

I was driving my mum sometime ago and she say some Christians returning from vigil and her comment was, " they're in darkness, thank God I found the light"

Me was speechless for my own worse pass and she knows my stand on matters like that and I'm sure she wanted to start preaching to me again and I wasn't up for it. for I know at the end she'll be upset.

I try to tell people to deal with humans as humans, not their religious stances but no they don't listen. Their intolerance is jeopardizing every little peace and tranquility left in the world.

looool.

very true


and funny enough the " godless " nations that Nigerian Christians condemn are so much better than us at all ramifications.

I may even say they have more morals than us.




...........so your mom knows about your irreligiousness?

woooow

how did she take it?

correctguy101:
Urahara, your head dey there

The bolded makes me lol when I remember some funny funky Jew wannabes in Nigeria

Black man will never seize to deceive himself... SMH

looooool.

the same Jew's that see Christians as idolaters

danvon:
which part specifically? Isaiah 14:12-15 didn't call him a good Angel, so where in did you read Satan is a good Angel doing what God tells him to do

not so fast, power puff boy.


How you are fallen from heaven, O morning star! You have been cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations!” (Isaiah 14:12 )

if you say the morning star is Satan, that means Jesus is also Satan.


Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

look at the passage below, the morning star is obviously the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar.
it makes more sense seeing that the book of Isaiah was so fixated about king Nebuchadnezzars destruction of the temple.

this was never about Satan obviously.


That thou shall take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, ‘How hath the oppressor ceased, the golden city ceased!’” (Isaiah 14:4)

danvon:
"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of SATAN, which say they are JEWS, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."
Revelation:3:9, how do you expect them to believe that Satan is evil?


"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
1 Corinthians:10:13 God did not let Satan tempt Job beyond what he could not bear, God is good he doesn't support Satan

brother the Old Testament teaches that Satan was a good agent of god.

why does Christianity contradict this ?

stop going around the question

danvon:
how does that verse supports Satan, God will bring evil to those who reject his Word, he sent the plague to the Egyptians when they refused to let his people go, he sent Babylon to destroy Judah because they rejected him, doesn't say God loves Satan, the Talmud also teaches that Jesus was the bastard son of Mary the prostitute, is that were you get your beliefs from?

you don't seem to get my point.

all the Jews, both modern and ancient have never believed that Satan was evil.

in the Old Testament Bible he always had to take permission from god before causing mischief.


you forgot to also state that god brings evil to also test peoples faith, as in the case of job

KingEbukasBlog:
MrPresident1 , go get him champ !

loooooool, on a normal day you would have started spilling arguments ( wrong arguments tho) , but now you are quiet.


brother come and refute my arguments

MrPresident1:
Lol

come and refute my points

sonofluc1fer:
why don't you try?

wallaaahi.
this is one reason why Christians should have rejected the Old Testament.
see as all the Christians for this thread dey quiet

Niflheim:
@urahara,

The question you posed is very insightful!!! You seem to know so much about the Talmud!!! Great post!!!

thnx bro

enilove:
You are a servant of the devil. You better desist from this part of destruction before it gets too late for you.
You cannot befriend the devil and be an enemy of God. That is madness . You can't please the devil. Devil did not create you.
Return to God and He will have mercy on you.

lool, tackle my points with logical arguments and stop all this.

Satan in the Old Testament and in Judaism is seen as a heavenly obstacle , a holy angel who even has no free will.

Jews state that the serpent in the garden of Eden was not the devil but a real talking snake.

Satan never rebelled against YHWH but was created for the purpose of tempting people — usually Satan is more a symbol than an actual being.

In Judaism, It would be blasphemous and a violation of monotheism to regard him as a rival to YHWH, as Satan is in some forms of Christianity. Judaism also rejects the concept of original sin.

since Christianity claims that both the Old Testament and the new testament were inspired by god.

then why does the new testament contradict the Old Testament.

it's either Yahweh decided to deceive the Jews about Satan's real nature or Christians are being deceived.

In fact, the Talmud says, all that Satan does, he does for the sake of heaven. Without him, the defense attorney wouldn't bother to dig up all the merits of the defense. And the defense would have to try so hard to give himself more merits.

If we take a look at Isaiah 45:7, we see that Hashem is the creator of everything, as the text says, “bringing forth light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil, I am G-d who does all these things.” In the Jewish bible, everything is under the jurisdiction of G-d and under His power – all forces, even evil forces. Everything comes from G-d, He created everything, good and evil. That being the case, Satan is not a rival of G-d, he is a messenger of G-d and unable to do anything outside of G-d’s will.


so my question is..... where did Christians get their foreign concept of Satan from?


Cc kingebukasblog

hahn

dalaman

oladegbu

analice

jonbelion

sonofluc1fer

winner01

sciencewatch

and co

dalaman:
I haven't, have you read it?






You don start with you lie lie abi? Here is what you wrote earlier.



You still don't know what a creationist is abi? What about an evolutionist? Do you know who an evolutionist is?

Ebuka is so dishonest that he ridicules evolution on a normal day but simply because langan accepts evolution. Ebuka is forced to resort to verbal gymnastics on the very same evolution that he abhors

butterflyl1on:
Can you show us these specific views that Jesus had which SPECIFICALLY made him a creationist.

While at it can you expand on the meaning of the word CREATION or TO CREATE and how the process may be instantaneous or gradual but the end result is what shows the word CREATE.

i dey wait.

loooooooooooool

do my eyes deceive me?

is Ebuka actually in support of evolution ?

the theory he has ridiculed so much

KingEbukasBlog:
While reading about him , I learnt that he is a Christian . Because it is not stated in the video does not mean he isnt a Christian .

he really is a Christian.

KingEbukasBlog:
Dude , it was stated by the organizers in the video . This is a known fact that he has a verified IQ of 195 (and it could be way higher than that ).

Go and bring his IQ test papers and check his score if you are that pedantic , that's your business

this is true

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FunkyAlhaji2015:
This is a much bigger issue than what this girl is looking at. Every institution has its code and conduct. The Nigerian Law School has there dress code, so does NYSC. The NYSC dress code of wearing trousers is against a lot of Christians faithful, but they have to wear to fulfil the clarion call. A lot of religious bigot want to bring in controversy in everything. Law is a respectable profession that should not be dragged into the mud by religious bigots.

this is a very brilliant comment

dalaman:
First time someone is giving me a straight answer.

I swear

Martinez19:
The concepts of religion crumbles when passed through critical thinking, reasoning, logic, common sense and science.

When people tell me that the things and ways of God are too hard to understand, I ask them how the authors of the bible understood the ways of God. I also ask that if a human is not thinking logically, critically, reasonably and respects evidence, how else will he know who is deceiving him or not? How else will he know the truth?

Johnydon22, your questions are sufficient to debunk the claims of religious paradises. The problem is that if christians will focus on the topic and answer the questions. Perhaps they might attack the poster himself.

that's why Martin Luther the reformer said that reason is the devils LovePeddler. she never comes to the aid of religious things.

and once again this thread turned petty.
can't sane arguments exist without insults.?

Martinez19:
He is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient but he has angels. How does this add up?
He is everywhere isn't he? So sending an angel to deliver a message is like sending someone to deliver a message from where you are to where you are
I had angels minister to God. Wtf? An all knowing God?

dear sir, please know that u are never getting an answer to this question.

op asked some very brilliant t questions.

it's a shame the thread started getting filled with childish arguments and insults

op asked some very brilliant t questions.
it's a shame the thread started getting filled with childish arguments

Ryabcool:
Hello. Thanks for commenting.

I'm sorry but you didn't answer my questions. You just said God like it's an excuse to explain what you don't know.

Don't get me wrong, I believe there is God, but I do not accept that line of conversation as it is somewhat dismissive and preventive of man's ability to gain more knowledge.

for this statement all nations shall call you blessed.

JackBizzle:
Lol.....they say he has a job in NNPC now. He hardly has time to be spinning lies on nairaland again.

loooooool,


the guy go praise Jesus Taya.

I'm happy for the dude