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pu7pl3:
I think it's time to start preparing your return to WWE.
The alliance won.

so Stephanie's idea was having Brock come out? Nothing spectacular. If it was HHH in that position or Heyman running the booking then I'd see little light. Meanwhile Samistry is already getting tired of wrestling(told ya), I know how that feels.

pu7pl3:
All these points you brought up, especially the one about weapons, it's not only WWE that is guilty of it so I wonder why you're channelling your frustration to only WWE.

As for me I enjoy all those shenanigans on TV and I hope they continue.

the only problem I see in this comment is that you put "enjoy" and "shenanigans" together. You'll get it eventually, you and many others. But as for me, I'm free from the manipulations.

pu7pl3:
STEPHANIE MCMAHON: "Until the conclusion of the investigation into recent allegations, I am honored to assume the role of interim Chairwoman & CEO. I love @WWE and all it continues to do to entertain billions around the world."

Looks like Stephanie will be the one deciding things from now on.
Hehehehe, I pity all those "higher ups" that was involved in badmouthing her last month.

hmmn. I just saw the news. Shocked to the bone marrow.

That John Laurenitis issue no even shock me, after all he's the one making ladies dress half-naked and getting breasts implants before they can be stars.

pu7pl3:
In the span of a month..

Roman Reigns went part time.
Sasha Banks is all but out
Naomi gone
Cody injured for rest of 2022
Orton injured and might be out till 2023

Oh and Vince and Lauranitis are being investigated for a scandal.


We know he has been through worse and came out unscathed...him 50 cent and Kanye West are some of the most uncancelable personalities in the world.

Which other MMA companies are there?
We have seen how AEW and NJPW are combining forces to give WWE a run for their money. It's not the same for UFC.

which kind wahala be this? I'm still very much interested in knowing when Orton's injury came. Who caused it? Heyman is giving Roman the credit though, I don't know how true that is. I hope this passes away soon.
But if we look at it this way, after WWE conquered WCW, no company could compete. As of 2012, I only knew of Impact Wrestling, I've never heard of any other. This is 2022 and wrestling companies I know aside WWE are up to 10, excluding the indies, and most of their American fans being former fans of WWE. Whether we choose to admit it or not, WWE messed up big time. I would never have believed in a 1000 years that I would pick a company like AEW & NJPW over WWE, but this is 2022 and it's the reality. They are still the biggest, but for how long? 3 year old AEW does half of their ratings and even beats them in the demo. This is bad no matter how you want to look at it. Empty seats, pipeing sounds, bringing in old-timers for ratings, excess Saudi shows for profits, Vince even failed at monopolizing MSG as companies like AAA and NJPW have done shows there. It's clear even though it's gradual in process to see that WWE is loosing it's hold on the grip. A sports based product is the solution. This is not any groundbreaking idea, it's just COMMON SENSE. People are tired of watching a product they know to now be fake and is still stupid and illogical. Give them an entertainment product that mirrors a real sports pattern and you'll have satisfied customers. How long will it continue to cater for kids? Won't they grow and discover the truth? People are just afraid of admitting the truth for the obvious reason of CHANGE. Nobody wants to change. Me I want to change o. I'm tired. I'm tired of seeing paid wrestlers get attacked from behind on TV and no official has the power to stop it and the wrestler is not suspended or fired or even sued to court by the victim. I am tired of people interrupting other wrestlers talking to the audience like it was planned initially even when that should never happen in a real sport(they even have their music being played before they do that). Didn't management plan the whole show to not allow any interruption whatsoever? After all they are running on paid time. I am tired of people holding a mic and just talking without no official interviewing them. That's not how it works in the real world. I am tired of weapons in wrestling. You read it right. They don't belong in wrestling. Why is it called wrestling if you can use weapons? Forget that, answer this, why are weapons legal in a real sport? Isn't that too dangerous to be done in a sport? If no, can I be creative with my use of weapons? Can I bring an axe(after all a hammer is usually been used), a knife, a real sword and use it, a freaking rifle, a RPG if I'm not satisfied? Do you guys see where I'm coming from? The desire to write stories have blinded us from what the sport actually is.
It's time for the change, else pro-wrestling will continue to lose fans till it dies.

pu7pl3:
What I basically said there is that WWE had the lead over UFC in the past, that was around 2017-18 or so.
If WWE had the lead before they can take it again.
Also take into consideration that pro-wrestling now has variety companies which can divide/reduce
profit while UFC doesn't have any concrete competition in their realistic genre yet.

they are other MMA companies out there. Lack of proper competition just stresses how good the UFC is. Pu7pl3, mark my words, if WWE doesn't go sports based, they'll either fizzle out or be sold. But I guess right now Vince has other issues, especially relating to affairs(not business ones ) and Randy is injured alongside Cody. Na now Roman go turn partimer. Things aren't going on well in the sports entertainment camp.
Still, knowing Vince, that issue might not even make him flinch.

Randy's back injury is serious and might need surgery. We don't get to see him throughout the year. This is devastating. What caused this though?

pu7pl3:
Looks like Vince done go Fvck up

I hope it's just rumours.

Gidah:
lol funny you pro wrestling mix entertainment unlike ufc wey na horror movie

another thing is UFC is REALITY. You wouldn't want to spend your lifetime watching something unrealistic and illogical. People no dey watch horror film?

Kaycee7:
Thank you, my brother. May you be blessed as well.

happy birthday Kaycee7.

pu7pl3:
WWE Market Cap Has Reached $7.54 Billion Before
We actually have some real-time figures on WWE stock value, but it comes with a rather large caveat. At the time of writing, WWE’s share price is $60.29 and has issued approximately 43 Million shares. Multiplying the share price by the exact shares issued returns a market cap of $2.6 Billion according to WWE’s corporate website and verified by Nasdaq.
Let’s explain why price doesn’t necessarily equal value. Technically anyone can go to a stock market exchange right now and start buying up WWE shares. However, in enough volume this will, you guessed it, sky rocket the value of the share price, which will positively impact the market cap. Also, good luck convincing Vince McMahon and the various equity groups with large holdings in the company to sell them for anything less than a premium. This is especially true when you consider the fact that in 2018, WWE’s market cap reached an
impressive $7.54 Billion.
WWE Leads the Way With Its Content Deals and Lifelong Fanbase
When considering WWE’s extensive collection of assets and potential for growth, various online outlets have estimated WWE’s value to be around the $5.71 Billion mark. But this does not factor in the additional bells and whistles that of value that would be added if a sale were to be seriously considered.
Remember, the UFC geared its events and marketing towards the peak of UFC 200 and it would be foolish to think WWE couldn’t do the same. Also, it’s no secret that Nick Khan is looking to optimise the balance sheet and take the company to new heights financially.
WWE just took over Dallas with an attendance of 156,352 fans at WrestleMania 38 and the company boasts a massive $1 Billion content deal with Peacock. Also, as well as having appeal to adults, WWE begins to cultivate it’s powerful fanbase from an extremely young age, more so than the UFC.
Is it that out of the question think that an investment group would be willing to pay a premium to acquire this active and powerful fanbase? To conclude, we believe that the much-speculated value of WWE at $5.71 Billion may actually be too low in the prospect of a sale. With the latest quarterly reports showing a 131% increase on year-on-year revenue and anticipation high awaiting the 2022 Q1 reports on May 5th, we believe this number has the potential to continue trending upwards.
Whilst many will argue that on paper the UFC is worth more than WWE, we will not be at all surprised if WWE could get very close to, if not even potentially surpass that magical $9 Billion valuation in the eyes of the right buyer.
To conclude, there is strong argument that the UFC is worth more right now, but all it takes is one look at WWE’s 2018 market cap to see that Vince McMahon’s empire has most likely been in the lead before. Whilst the UFC is enjoying financial prosperity, it will be no surprise if WWE valuation reaches another all-time high in the next few years.

That site you posted didn't even provide any numbers and sounded like a pained MMA fan writing an article.
If you put the biggest MMA star right now beside someone like The Miz or CM Punk the star power the wrestlers generate will dwarf anything the MMA guy can generate.
There is no MMA PPV (correct me if I'm wrong) that has ever surpassed the highest wrestlemania attendance so please don't compare them in that aspect.

so in essence(even though I didn't get lots of the talk cos I'm not a stock market expert) what you're saying is UFC is enjoying a temporary prosperity while WWE is going to catch-up and takeover in the future. If I'm correct that hypothesis still doesn't hold enough water. UFC's profit multiplies WWE's by 5. 5!!! And that's still with WWE having like I don't know, 20 to 30 years headstart in business. I might need to have a stock market expert break this down cos I don't see your point. They claimed 150,000 in 2 nights, other sources claimes it was 120,000. Regardless they don't do that every week or even every month and I'm not even talking about the empty seats on their weekly shows. Take Money In The Bank for example. These goofs, I call them goofs, really thought they could sellout a stadium with another lackluster card. They've turned their fans(not me) to jokes. They literally believe they'd pay for anything no matter how bad. I remember WWE PPV's 10 years ago, 20 years ago, it wasn't this ugly and now they even go to the extent of pipeing artificial sounds for fan reactions. I hope you guys eventually see that I don't hate the company or wrestling in general, I just want it to be better, to be enjoyable. Still on the tickets sales, there's also point for ticket prices and I'm still sure UFC's will be more expensive.

pu7pl3:
Many people just watch what entertains them, they don't give a fvck about what it is.
Take me for example, I love football to death but I can't watch hockey or swimming.
That doesn't mean I don't like sports, it just means those particular ones don't interest me. Same with those that prefer wrestling to UFC. Wrestling has also been around decades before UFC came into play.

I'm waiting for that data.

like you said boss, I gat it.

The first pic is for UFC, the second is WWE, and WWE has existed far longer before UFC. Isn't that wonderful?

You can also read this article to know why it's that way.
https://www.thesportster.com/ufc-mma-cooler-than-wwe-pro-wrestling/

Meanwhile UFC's next PPV main event is Adesanya vs Cornnonier. A legit sports event that will sell out T-Mobile arena come July 3, while Monday Night Raw's main event is a 'pose off' between a talented stud and a genetic freak. And yet you guys defend this stuff calling it entertainment. Time to speak the truth is now. We keep on saying junk is sweet, they'll keep on giving us junk.

DanieBlinkz:
I remember a UFC match I watched, it was so boring a bit brutal but no flare at all, I just switched to wrestling like how can you watch 2 grown ups fight with no storyline just some random challenge or fans pick. Meeeh. Wrestling will and will always be more entertaining especially WWE

then sports in general is not your thing. Because the whole idea of any sport is people competing. I'm pretty sure you don't watch football too.

pu7pl3:
Bro UFC has never been bigger than Pro wrestling.
WWE alone posts better numbers than anything UFC has done, add other Pro wrestling companies and it's overkill.
Wrestling is more popular and more mainstream cos it's been around for much longer and has withstood the test of time.
It's not going away anytime soon either.
We will have more UFC athletes porting to WWE or any other Pro wrestling company than vice versa.

I'll try and get data to backup my point and I'm sure to be correct. But it's hypocritical for someone to say he dislikes sports, prefares entertainment and still watches pro-wrestling. Where does that person think pro-wrestling was gotten from? If you don't like UFC or amateur wrestling how come you watch pro-wrestling? Do you think they go to the ring to fry groundnut? They are all the same thing, the only difference is the presence of entertainment in pro-wrestling.
Now to entertainment. If you watch pro-wrestling cos of the entertainment only, then you're not a sports entertainment fan, you're just an entertainment fan and the cinema and stage plays is what's meant for you. We have to know where we stand. Pro-wrestling should give you a feeling of both sport and entertainment together and not just entertainment only. If we don't choose our preference the confusion will not stop.

Kaycee7:
Still can't forget that period I tried to get into UFC. Watched one women's match wey dem knack person head for ground because she no release armbar and ran straight back to pro wrestling

that's sounds fun. You get to see the physicality unlike pro-wrestling were some of them fight like it's a Disney movie.

pu7pl3:
There is already boxing and UFC for that.
And I'll still pick Pro wrestling over them at gunpoint.

and there's a reason why they are bigger than pro-wrestling as a whole. AEW isn't WWE's competitor, it's UFC. That's why Vince is getting fraustrated, firing people and replacing officials cos he wants to get profits like the UFC, which is laughable. Didn't you hear the rumours of Stephanie getting fired cos they felt she wasn't up to par? UFC is a company that knows what it wants unlike WWE that is confused with the owner ripping up scripts 10 minutes to a show. It's only going to take a matter of time for the company to become old news or it gets sold and the only way to prevent that is by turning it into a sports-based product, which is what HHH was aiming at with NXT until Vince and that corporate blockheads in management like Prichard got to it and ruined it. Now they need main roster stars for ratings weekly.

Who's putting their moneys that Cody will return before 6 months time?

pu7pl3:

but trust me, sports-based is the best. You'd have to see it first.

pu7pl3:
Hypocritical of course

for me, I'll take both. You know I'm the sports-based guy and if we look at the pattern of legit sports shows, you don't see the champions(especially World) every week. That's impossible. That way they become a special attraction...yeh! Who stone me?! I don't care though, the stone hurt, but I'll still say the truth. The other way around, it's hypocritical because he spoke against it and hell, it was the bone of contention leading to WrestleMania 34 main event. And 4 years later, look who's doing it. It's true that if you give someone money and power, you'll get their true nature.

pu7pl3:
The answer to both questions are simple.
As long as I'm entertained I will keep watching, even if they adopt another system and its entertaining with characters I can invest in I'll definitely watch.
Long story short, my entertainment is the deciding factor.

that seems fair.

chrisooblog:
In the wrestling business as a top guy there will eventually come a time when you will have to do what is good for ''business''. The Undertaker made a young wet behind the ears Randy Orton look credible in their first match together because he recognised his potential.

Guys like Taker, Bret Hart, Mick Foley to mention a few are loved and respected not just because of what they achieved or their wrestling ability but for the selflessness they show in willing to put others over.

Why do you think a legend like Hulk Hogan is disliked.

Hogan was no saint, but let's give him credit. He put over Warrior, The Rock and Lesnar on Smackdown. I totally understand all you guys are saying, even the ones you haven't said yet I get them, cos I've watched the 80s, 90s, Attitude era, Ruthless Aggression, PG, the latest WWE stuffs, TNA, ROH, NJPW, NWA and AEW. I understand everything everyone is saying, but the truth is pro-wrestling as a whole is not as good of a product as we actually think it to be, because of its bad production.
I got 2 questions for pu7pl3:
1. What extent will the WWE product get to for you to have to say "this is ridiculous, I can't watch this anymore"?
2. Would you watch WWE if it went sports-based like I explained(there'd be faces & heels, but the show would be produced following a legit sports pattern, so what that means in essence is that your storylines and promos are replaced by simple sports-like interviews for match building)?
Anyone else can answer these questions, but the aim is to know if we are actually sports-entertainment fans or plain wrestling companies fans.

How do you guys feel about Roman hugging the 2 World titles and becoming a part-timer all of a sudden? Deserved or hypocritical?

samistry:
Not everyone can become world champion however,most folks remember hurricane for that feud as it out him into limelight.

Scott Hall aka Razor Ramon never won the world championship, Rowdy piper and Dustin Rhodes didn't either yet they are more memorable than someone like Jinder Mahal who did.

The rock lost to hurricane by interference and it advanced the story for rock vs stone cold while also making a moment for the hurricane.

Despite dropping the hurricane gimmick later on for a more serious one.
Gregory helms went on to having arguably the longest cruiserweight run.
Yet, everyone still remembers the hurricane gimmick for than the cruiserweight championship run.

Wrestling is about give and take, someone made you hence you do same for another.
By your logic, the rock, stone cold and other guys that came up during the attitude era would not become the stars if main guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels not put them over.
There was no bigger primadonna during the attitude era like Shawn Michaels yet even he put over stonecold at WrestleMania.
Hulk Hogan put over a young Brock Lesnar.
Triple H was made after defeating Cactus jack in a hell in a cell match.
Would Kazuchika Okada become the ace of njpw if Hiroshi Tanashashi not put him over?

Would Eddie Guerrero win as champion be momentful had Brock Lesnar not put him over?
Why didn't Brock make excuses and say Eddie is too small to pin him?
Chris Jericho greatest moment was winning stone cold and the rock for two championships the same night.

There's a story with Becky Lynch fighting for the 24/7 championship that you aren't seeing?
She is desperate to become a champion so bad that she would contend for even the lowest one.
Her contending for it and losing it by interference also furthers the asuka feud.
Her loss to Dana Brooke is a small bump in the road that doesn't dimisnish her star power.
Becky Lynch is already made and nothing can change that.

I just have one question for you. Let's say you're in a wrestling company and you're part of the top guys. And in this company, you get paid based on your level on the card - upper card, mid card, lower card. With this knowledge in mind, knowing he would suddenly get paid more than you, would you like to 'put over' another wrestler?

pu7pl3:
Lmaooo
How did that interaction with Hurricane "soil" the Rock's hands please? Everyone involved looked good.
If someone else didn't come down and "soil" their own hands for Rocky Maiva we wouldn't have gotten the Rock, same goes for Becky too.
You're being too extreme.

man pu7pl3, I never expected this from you. I've watched it o. You know what I saw? I saw one-quarter of the Four Horse Women, a multi-time world champion, a WrestleMania Main Eventer, the wife of a mainstream star and a mother interacting with jobbers & jokes. Guess what that makes her by implication? She tried to make it make sense, but I must say, I am dissappointed in the company, I'm dissappointed in Vince for allowing that happen under his nose, I'm dissappointed in Seth for allowing his wife take part in that and I'm disappointed in Becky for agreeing to partake in that. That's all I'm going to say about that. It was a huge dissapointment.

pu7pl3:
What you might see as a low point for The Rock is actually the highest point for Hurricane.
In Pro-wrestling the wrestlers are meant to elevate each other and that's what Becky did on RAW, Jim can talk all he wants but if people/wrestlers were not sacrificed for Becky or The Rock or any too star they wouldn't be where they are right now and it's only fair for them to come down once in a while and help elevate others.
That 24/7 title scene immediately felt important just by Becky's involvement on RAW. I don't know which other logic you're looking for.

and Hurricane ended up becoming a World Champ. It might be good for a comedy movie, but it doesn't belong in professional wrestling is all I'm saying.
I dislike the idea of coming down to 'put guys over' and I'll explain that if you want me to. But one of the reason is because it reduces your status as a wrestler(whether you like it or not). If you want me to shed more light on that, I'll gladly do it.
Becky just soiled her hands for an irredeemable championship. I'm still yet to watch it though, so I'll reserve my comments.

samistry:
The same Jim cornette that was fired in OVW wrestling for slapping santino because he refused to sell being scared of the Boogeyman. Jim Cornette was also fired in TNA, fired in NWA powerrr.
Even your mecca of wrestling njpw wouldn't touch him with a stick anymore.
The point at the end of the day is wrestling is a niche. No matter how hard you try to paint it as real or sportslike.

yeah. That same Cornette. You wanna look at his character, the floor is yours. You wanna look at his wrestling expertise, you can do that too. During his short time in OVW was what made Brock, Cena, Orton and Batista. You can't take that away from him. From what I heard Santino refused to act serious, and what happened to his career afterwards?(not like I support Cornette's action).
He dislikes NJPW because of their strong-style(and it's well deserved. I dislike it too). How was TNA after he left? How was ROH after he left? Where is ROH now? Go and watch Tyler Black(Seth Rollins) vs Davie Richards and see the kind of matches Cornette was putting out. How is TNA doing? What about NWA Powerrrrrrrr? Cornette isn't the perfect being, but he's intelligent and knows so much about wrestling more than all of us here combined.
You could give atleast called NJPW "my Jerusalem".

samistry:
Rock feuded with hurricane, undertaker won the hardcore title, stone cold had a cowboy sing along with Kurt angle during his heel run.
No matter how super serious we want to take it. Wrestling is still grown men playing fight in their underwear

I dare anyone here to search "Jim Cornette" on YouTube and hear his reviews of wrestling weekly programs like RAW and Dynamite and I'm pretty sure you guys are going to be seeing wrestling differently henceforth. He has been in the business since the 70s, managed tag team legends like The Midnight Express, he's Paul Heyman's colleague and mate and even though we have little differences in opinion he's light years more sensible than modern wrestling logic. Take a listen, you'll get it.
And those things you mentioned were actually one of the lowest points of their individual careers.

pu7pl3:
You talk like it was something demeaning, you didn't even watch the thing...even if it was Roman or Stone cold it would still be dope.
We care about entertainment that's why we watch the show.
If something is done well and it entertains me that's a W for them.

I'll watch it. Even though I don't watch WWE stuffs like this and almost at all, I'll watch it. But I'm pretty sure it's not going to be good. Entertainment is not even possible without logic, but you guys are entertained by a program with less logic. I'll watch it still and I'll give you my thoughts.

pu7pl3:
100% bro and it was entertaining as hell, she helped elevate everyone involved just by association.

lol, would you like it if she was your relative? You guys just care about entertainment, no one cares if this thing makes sense anymore. Oya replace Becky with Roman, Cena and Stone Cold and see how it looks. Modern Wrestling.

Wait o, I heard Becky was competing for the 24/7 championship. How true is this info?

Why this thread never reach front page?

Who do we have to mention?

Cody. My guy well well. I love his guts, but sometimes I doubt his intelligence or maybe it's just his ego. Would you go out with that injury if it was a real fight? Ofcourse not. They are different ways of showing your heart for the game, no 1 is doing your job while you're hale and hearty. What he pulled out there was really risky for him and that's asides the fact hat he just buried Seth even further and made him look like the clown he portrays every Monday. I just want this thing to make sense, to feel logical. I hope he gets better sha.