samistry:
Rock feuded with hurricane, undertaker won the hardcore title, stone cold had a cowboy sing along with Kurt angle during his heel run.
No matter how super serious we want to take it. Wrestling is still grown men playing fight in their underwear

samistry:
Rock feuded with hurricane, undertaker won the hardcore title, stone cold had a cowboy sing along with Kurt angle during his heel run.
No matter how super serious we want to take it. Wrestling is still grown men playing fight in their underwear

Lol that's facts and that's why we love ut

ValeeLove:
I dare anyone here to search "Jim Cornette" on YouTube and hear his reviews of wrestling weekly programs like RAW and Dynamite and I'm pretty sure you guys are going to be seeing wrestling differently henceforth. He has been in the business since the 70s, managed tag team legends like The Midnight Express, he's Paul Heyman's colleague and mate and even though we have little differences in opinion he's light years more sensible than modern wrestling logic. Take a listen, you'll get it.
And those things you mentioned were actually one of the lowest points of their individual careers.

ValeeLove:
I dare anyone here to search "Jim Cornette" on YouTube and hear his reviews of wrestling weekly programs like RAW and Dynamite and I'm pretty sure you guys are going to be seeing wrestling differently henceforth. He has been in the business since the 70s, managed tag team legends like The Midnight Express, he's Paul Heyman's colleague and mate and even though we have little differences in opinion he's light years more sensible than modern wrestling logic. Take a listen, you'll get it.
And those things you mentioned were actually one of the lowest points of their individual careers.

samistry:
The same Jim cornette that was fired in OVW wrestling for slapping santino because he refused to sell being scared of the Boogeyman. Jim Cornette was also fired in TNA, fired in NWA powerrr.
Even your mecca of wrestling njpw wouldn't touch him with a stick anymore.
The point at the end of the day is wrestling is a niche. No matter how hard you try to paint it as real or sportslike.

pu7pl3:


What you might see as a low point for The Rock is actually the highest point for Hurricane.
In Pro-wrestling the wrestlers are meant to elevate each other and that's what Becky did on RAW, Jim can talk all he wants but if people/wrestlers were not sacrificed for Becky or The Rock or any too star they wouldn't be where they are right now and it's only fair for them to come down once in a while and help elevate others.
That 24/7 title scene immediately felt important just by Becky's involvement on RAW. I don't know which other logic you're looking for.

ValeeLove:
and Hurricane ended up becoming a World Champ. It might be good for a comedy movie, but it doesn't belong in professional wrestling is all I'm saying.
I dislike the idea of coming down to 'put guys over' and I'll explain that if you want me to. But one of the reason is because it reduces your status as a wrestler(whether you like it or not). If you want me to shed more light on that, I'll gladly do it.
Becky just soiled her hands for an irredeemable championship. I'm still yet to watch it though, so I'll reserve my comments.

ValeeLove:
and Hurricane ended up becoming a World Champ. It might be good for a comedy movie, but it doesn't belong in professional wrestling is all I'm saying.
I dislike the idea of coming down to 'put guys over' and I'll explain that if you want me to. But one of the reason is because it reduces your status as a wrestler(whether you like it or not). If you want me to shed more light on that, I'll gladly do it.
Becky just soiled her hands for an irredeemable championship. I'm still yet to watch it though, so I'll reserve my comments.

Lmaooo
How did that interaction with Hurricane "soil" the Rock's hands please? Everyone involved looked good.
If someone else didn't come down and "soil" their own hands for Rocky Maiva we wouldn't have gotten the Rock, same goes for Becky too.
You're being too extreme.

pu7pl3:


Lmaooo
How did that interaction with Hurricane "soil" the Rock's hands please? Everyone involved looked good.
If someone else didn't come down and "soil" their own hands for Rocky Maiva we wouldn't have gotten the Rock, same goes for Becky too.
You're being too extreme.

samistry:
Not everyone can become world champion however,most folks remember hurricane for that feud as it out him into limelight.

Scott Hall aka Razor Ramon never won the world championship, Rowdy piper and Dustin Rhodes didn't either yet they are more memorable than someone like Jinder Mahal who did.

The rock lost to hurricane by interference and it advanced the story for rock vs stone cold while also making a moment for the hurricane.

Despite dropping the hurricane gimmick later on for a more serious one.
Gregory helms went on to having arguably the longest cruiserweight run.
Yet, everyone still remembers the hurricane gimmick for than the cruiserweight championship run.

Wrestling is about give and take, someone made you hence you do same for another.
By your logic, the rock, stone cold and other guys that came up during the attitude era would not become the stars if main guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels not put them over.
There was no bigger primadonna during the attitude era like Shawn Michaels yet even he put over stonecold at WrestleMania.
Hulk Hogan put over a young Brock Lesnar.
Triple H was made after defeating Cactus jack in a hell in a cell match.
Would Kazuchika Okada become the ace of njpw if Hiroshi Tanashashi not put him over?

Would Eddie Guerrero win as champion be momentful had Brock Lesnar not put him over?
Why didn't Brock make excuses and say Eddie is too small to pin him?
Chris Jericho greatest moment was winning stone cold and the rock for two championships the same night.

There's a story with Becky Lynch fighting for the 24/7 championship that you aren't seeing?
She is desperate to become a champion so bad that she would contend for even the lowest one.
Her contending for it and losing it by interference also furthers the asuka feud.
Her loss to Dana Brooke is a small bump in the road that doesn't dimisnish her star power.
Becky Lynch is already made and nothing can change that.

ValeeLove:
man pu7pl3, I never expected this from you. I've watched it o. You know what I saw? I saw one-quarter of the Four Horse Women, a multi-time world champion, a WrestleMania Main Eventer, the wife of a mainstream star and a mother interacting with jobbers & jokes. Guess what that makes her by implication? She tried to make it make sense, but I must say, I am dissappointed in the company, I'm dissappointed in Vince for allowing that happen under his nose, I'm dissappointed in Seth for allowing his wife take part in that and I'm disappointed in Becky for agreeing to partake in that. That's all I'm going to say about that. It was a huge dissapointment.

ValeeLove:
I just have one question for you. Let's say you're in a wrestling company and you're part of the top guys. And in this company, you get paid based on your level on the card - upper card, mid card, lower card. With this knowledge in mind, knowing he would suddenly get paid more than you, would you like to 'put over' another wrestler?

chrisooblog:
In the wrestling business as a top guy there will eventually come a time when you will have to do what is good for ''business''. The Undertaker made a young wet behind the ears Randy Orton look credible in their first match together because he recognised his potential.

Guys like Taker, Bret Hart, Mick Foley to mention a few are loved and respected not just because of what they achieved or their wrestling ability but for the selflessness they show in willing to put others over.

Why do you think a legend like Hulk Hogan is disliked.

chrisooblog:
In the wrestling business as a top guy there will eventually come a time when you will have to do what is good for ''business''. The Undertaker made a young wet behind the ears Randy Orton look credible in their first match together because he recognised his potential.

Guys like Taker, Bret Hart, Mick Foley to mention a few are loved and respected not just because of what they achieved or their wrestling ability but for the selflessness they show in willing to put others over.

Why do you think a legend like Hulk Hogan is disliked.

ValeeLove:
Hogan was no saint, but let's give him credit. He put over Warrior, The Rock and Lesnar on Smackdown. I totally understand all you guys are saying, even the ones you haven't said yet I get them, cos I've watched the 80s, 90s, Attitude era, Ruthless Aggression, PG, the latest WWE stuffs, TNA, ROH, NJPW, NWA and AEW. I understand everything everyone is saying, but the truth is pro-wrestling as a whole is not as good of a product as we actually think it to be, because of its bad production.
I got 2 questions for pu7pl3:
1. What extent will the WWE product get to for you to have to say "this is ridiculous, I can't watch this anymore"?
2. Would you watch WWE if it went sports-based like I explained(there'd be faces & heels, but the show would be produced following a legit sports pattern, so what that means in essence is that your storylines and promos are replaced by simple sports-like interviews for match building)?
Anyone else can answer these questions, but the aim is to know if we are actually sports-entertainment fans or plain wrestling companies fans.

ValeeLove:
How do you guys feel about Roman hugging the 2 World titles and becoming a part-timer all of a sudden? Deserved or hypocritical?

Hypocritical of course

pu7pl3:


The answer to both questions are simple.
As long as I'm entertained I will keep watching, even if they adopt another system and its entertaining with characters I can invest in I'll definitely watch.
Long story short, my entertainment is the deciding factor.

pu7pl3:


Hypocritical of course

ValeeLove:
for me, I'll take both. You know I'm the sports-based guy and if we look at the pattern of legit sports shows, you don't see the champions(especially World) every week. That's impossible. That way they become a special attraction...yeh! Who stone me?! I don't care though, the stone hurt, but I'll still say the truth. The other way around, it's hypocritical because he spoke against it and hell, it was the bone of contention leading to WrestleMania 34 main event. And 4 years later, look who's doing it. It's true that if you give someone money and power, you'll get their true nature.

ValeeLove:
that seems fair.

pu7pl3:

ValeeLove:
but trust me, sports-based is the best. You'd have to see it first.

pu7pl3:


There is already boxing and UFC for that.
And I'll still pick Pro wrestling over them at gunpoint.

pu7pl3:


There is already boxing and UFC for that.
And I'll still pick Pro wrestling over them at gunpoint.

Kaycee7:
Still can't forget that period I tried to get into UFC. Watched one women's match wey dem knack person head for ground because she no release armbar and ran straight back to pro wrestling

ValeeLove:
and there's a reason why they are bigger than pro-wrestling as a whole. AEW isn't WWE's competitor, it's UFC. That's why Vince is getting fraustrated, firing people and replacing officials cos he wants to get profits like the UFC, which is laughable. Didn't you hear the rumours of Stephanie getting fired cos they felt she wasn't up to par? UFC is a company that knows what it wants unlike WWE that is confused with the owner ripping up scripts 10 minutes to a show. It's only going to take a matter of time for the company to become old news or it gets sold and the only way to prevent that is by turning it into a sports-based product, which is what HHH was aiming at with NXT until Vince and that corporate blockheads in management like Prichard got to it and ruined it. Now they need main roster stars for ratings weekly.

ValeeLove:
How do you guys feel about Roman hugging the 2 World titles and becoming a part-timer all of a sudden? Deserved or hypocritical?

Kaycee7:
Still can't forget that period I tried to get into UFC. Watched one women's match wey dem knack person head for ground because she no release armbar and ran straight back to pro wrestling

Kaycee7:
Still can't forget that period I tried to get into UFC. Watched one women's match wey dem knack person head for ground because she no release armbar and ran straight back to pro wrestling