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I'm an introvert and I'm comfortable in my skin, I used to think something was wrong with me when I was younger but all that changed when I came across Tim Lahaye book, spirit controlled temperaments , and many other write ups on temperaments, my phone never ring except it's my dh calling, I don't have any friends but I'm nice and cool to everyone around me but no closeness, I am not easily bored because I'm the best company for myself, lol, I think and meditate a lot and I hear spiritual voices clearly most times both good and bad, I entertain myself with reading, I read and enjoy most write up except sports, lol, I love movies and soaps on TV, telemundo anyone? Zeeworld nko, it's bae I also love parties once in a while on special occasions, I love to sit and observe beautiful colorful renditions, and I love music, Jazz to be precise, Kenny G is my favorite I have since come to realise that as an introvert you are not meant to be seeking people out but you are to be sought out, your very rare discoveries and findings while in solitude will eventually make you a sort of celebrity and people will flock to you even if just within your family, if not the world, your own is to concentrate on being yourself and you will find fulfillment , great men of God, great inventors, great scientists, designers, celebrities are mainly introverts all over the world, introverts rock

Emperor002:
Afonjas kom carry una property

That is not an afonja tribal mark, not from any town in yorubaland

nnokwa042:
This girl can never forgive her tribesmen for what they did to her,afonjas will shout we love our culture why didn't mike adenuga or tinubu give thier children tribal Marks,davido got tatoo why not tribal mark, see what they did to this fine girl gwaad people re wicked

That is not a Yoruba tribal mark at all, confirm it

Quran 5 verse 5says a Muslim can marry a Christian so what's the fuss about and that Quran 2 verse 221 quoted by someone up there did not specify Christians but idolatress, (mushrikat) not to marry them while the passage in 5 verse 5 specify Muslim can marry Christians or Jew, Sentimentalism and fanatism is the reason for most religious intolerance and uprising and not God,

kelizosuy:
Good morning mamas..sorry I haven't been really online.. Adele vigilante na day and night.. My cousin came yesterday and she's with me, I asked my mum for financial assistance already, she said she will get back to me. Not involving his people wasn't my choice. He blocked me out completely and I already told the cousin about everything he said he will try and raise money for me.

Thanks so much mamas. God bless you

Just have to say this, I love you for this, go girl ,

otr1:
@OP, I noticed you used to go to Church (I'm assuming you didn't make this story up). But being a Christian goes beyond attending Church services, being an Evangelist, a worker in the vineyard and praying in Jesus name.
We can not hold God responsible for our problems- we are responsible for most of it and we should the mess ourselves. If you missed plan for a blissful married life and had to remain single for 10years after graduating from College, and even lost your Husband four years after then, how is this the fault of the Christian God? Pride and your false sense of an ideal mate was most probably the reasons you had late marriage. And because of frustration and your I-must-marry attitude, you ended up marrying the person- with a short lifespan. If you're honest with yourself, the same you married your moslem husband under this same mindset.
I can't go further than this without being incoherent, but I'd say, you're a moslem now because you needed to get married. This aside, you'd still be a church-goer. You know this.

Your cognitive ability has atrophied, you are spewing trash because you cannot comprehend, I will say this to you all Christians trying to trash my write up and experience, we are all going to stand at the judgement throne of God one day to account for everything we have ever done or said, and the ways of God is far different from that of man, so you all are entitled to your opinions, I will not be responding to mentions here much again if at all because I know it's futile, I have said everything that needed to be said but I will still add my revelations and conviction when I have time. Salam

somehow:
Wow, what a insightful Revelation, read from beginning to end.

A question for you, you said all religions have their own errors, in Islam, what have you noticed?

You already listed the error in Christianity which I kinda knew some of them before now.

I already addressed that in an earlier post

analice107:
Sister, should i give you 10 Koranic verses which commands Muslims to kill infidels? Allah says if anyone does not kill Christians and Jews, then he will not be accepted in Paradise.

Should i? Sis, you are not dealing with a learner here. Like i said before, i'm restrained from really pursuing you and your claims the way i'd ve done normally.


Pls, just know that not all non Muslims are ignorant of Islam.

Madam, I'm not in anyway moved by your threat, quote all you want but I think you need to familiarise yourself with the God of the Bible, then you will know He doesn't joke with any group of people serving any other thing or person beside Him, the Quran said the Jew of that time worship Ezra, and have been killing prophets of God while the Christians are worshipping Jesus and Mary beside God, you need to know how God deals in such situations, do you know that the promised land which is the country Israel today rightfully belongs to some other people? but God destroyed them from their land and gave it to Israelites and the Bible says it's because the original settlers were idolaters, God gave precise commands all over the Bible to kill every non believer no matter how innocent they are even pregnancy, Today civilisation has made the world move away from war majorly but the Quran was also sent down during the pre-modernisatin era, and the same Quran in many places told us to be in peace with Jew and Christians and even eat with them in Surah 5 verse 5, if you want to check it out, The fact that I'm emphasising is that there is God in the church as much as He is in the mosque but the power and presence of God in most churches have been diluted by polytheism, which annoys God and give the devil room to operate.

asalimpo:
You are like i said, strongly deluded. And that is not an insult.
If you "know the bible more than most of us",then it would show in your comments.
You may have known God and experienced some His power manifest in your life, but you knowledge of His word and grasp of it is weak. You cannot even show maturity in dividing the word of truth.
This weakness is what causes so many heresies and blatant errors in christianity. The antidote isnt more spiritual gymnastics - prayer and fasting etc - but education - of the mind in the scriptures.
Every thought ,doctrine,suggestion is to be scrutinised with the scriptures,failing it is to be discarded- irrespective of feelings.
No one knows it all, we are all growing, but in some areas, some have grown more than others and the insights they've received are to help others in the body of christ avoid some common pitfalls,that's why
reading books and listening to messages by mature christians is helpful. God gave them those revelations for our benefit.
I've learnt tonnes by doing so.
Whether a pastor prayed and got attacked and lost his mind and was a hopeless case or not,
doesnt undermine the bible fact on the devil and the relationship of the child of God to him.
The bible says, that He, satan and his cohorts have been stripped of their power.
It says they've been brought to nought. Dethroned, and that the Christian sits with Christ in a position of authority far above any devil demon or power.
The same bible says resist the devil and he shall flee from you. Flee connotes fear on the part of the flee-er.
The new testament never depicts the devil as powerful and formidable that he could he can decidely neutralise God's word!!
But we see in christian circles a doctrine preached of a devil who so powerful, christians dread him more than the believe God to deliver them!

When a christian experiences issues that seem to defy the word,he's suppose to seek God and hear from Him on the matter. Not come up with new doctrine.

Anoda point of misconception in christianity is that somehow you earn something from God.
You dont. You dont earn his blessings through service or being good or doing certain things.
The bible says our righteousness is like filthy rags before Him.
Faithful church service, singing in the choir etc will not earn you credits to swap for a miracle etc.
This is a works mentallity and it is prevalent in christianity. Again, they're good resources that go indepth into this issue - it is also a chief weapon the devil is using to keep many christians in bondage.
Effective christians have the mentallity of scientists - they research and re-research the scriptures and test many of the claims and principles in it in their lives. They just dont propound new doctrines off the cuff based on a few experiences they've had.
Again, you have to acquire this mentallity else you'll spout errors and get carried away easily by any wind of doctrine that comes your way.
See, how you cannot back you claim cogently with relevant scriptures - instead you resort to credentialism and emotionalism.
The bible is clear - the God and Spirit of God in Christianity isnt the same one in any other religion that denies the diety and sonship and Messaiahship of the Jesus. Never. Any religion that denies that Jesus is the only way to God is from the devil.
It doenst sound politically correct. People will hate you for saying so. But the truth is the truth you either accept it or not.
The devil desires to sift you, and he has done so.
Who dyu think put sickness on you? God? Y? So that you could doubt God. And what more way to convince you that Islam is from God but to take the sickness that was put on you, just to convince you otherwise.
Sister, get back to God and stay in the region of its truth. Nothing else will save you- in the long run.

You are still preaching theory, you are teaching how to fight a battle without having ever been to war, and for you information, I read and I'm sure I have read more books than you, I have a library and I used to devoured scriptural books, my car was a moving church, if you come to my house you must hear the gospel, my computer in the office was a sermon machine, my phones are filled with messages, of preachers from all over the world, and when I joined Christianity I was engaged to be married as an undergraduate, but I broke the engagement because of fornication, I didn't join Christianity to get things, I wasn't looking for job or anything and btw there is nothing wrong with expecting God to bless you materially as a Christian because God said He has not called the children of Jacob to serve Him in vain, that's in the Bible anyway I don't expect a Bible student to require quotes everytime to recognize biblical words, I understand your angst because the pastors are doing a good job of brainwashing everyone that Islam is evil, I used to preach it too, but now I know better

analice107:
Religion is not by compulsion, but Muslims are killing people everywhere on earth for not accept Allah as God.

Really?

Let me ask you sister. How did you manage to be a Christian for 20yrs without the Holy Spirit? because, you said you were not sanctified as a Christian because you were demons possessed.

The Holy Spirit gets sealed with our spirits at redemption.
The Holy Spirit is the Sanctifier. No other person can Sanctify you. Sanctification is like cleaning the house for a new occupant to come in.
Without Him, you wouldn't even be able to believe in Jesus. How did you manage without Him pls?

Ephesians:1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Were you redeemed? Can you buy a house and your former landlords still lots over you?

This your story eh? There are too many holes.

I used to ask myself the same question then but now I know the answer, it's because anytime you worship the creature instead of the creator and give the glory that belongs to God Almighty who lives forever and ever to another you are breaking the first commandment, and it attracts a curse, and the devil knows all these rules and regulations and he knows he has a right to steal, kill and destroy the person because it's idolatry, God is not a man that He should lie neither is He a son of man that He should repent, if His word are not being fulfilled in one's life consistently then then God had not heard that person, He will not share His glory ,As per the Boko Haram I already addressed that earlier and I want to point out that they are killing Muslim s too, they are not following Islam but they are the corrupted ones who bear Muslim name but will not observe Islamic injunctions,

asalimpo:
The problem you have, is that you are strongly deluded and dont know it.
You supplant the Bible with with your own ideas?
What dyu mean - Christianity cannot handle them? - Is there any where in the scriptures saying that God's word failed? Jesus Christ said "Go ye into the world and preach the gospel to every creature " , every means the entire world,including Asia! Which asian devil will counter the light of God's word? So it is clear that God intended for the gospel to be preached in he whole world to reach the entire ends of the earth.
Why God chose not to send paul is best known to Him, bu His original plan doesnt change.
When you want to state something about the Scriptures, make your points with scriptures not your opinions.
So God couldnt use Christianity,he had to use islam, are u sane or logical saying that nonsense?
Would a sane God create to opposing religions and use them to accomplish His objectives? If so,then God was using the philistines who worshipped idols, as well as the Isrealites who where their arch enemies.
God was using pharoah as well as moses. God raised goliath to taunt the children of Isreal as well as David who slew him. Clear your head.

Bread and butter Christian, your insults are uncalled for because you did not create me, you all are talking theory without any practical experience to back it up, you need to visit prayer city often and go and see your church members and pastors manifesting during deliverance, because you are lucky to have a life that is relatively easy doesn't mean everyone has to be like you, go on prayer mountains all over Nigeria and see people whose life have been caged by the devil even though they are tongue talking and full of faith, faith brought them there because they could have gone to herbalist, some are already mad and they were men of God, many of you cannot even endure half of what I went through before abandoning the search for God, I have said it that I'm not writing to discredit Christianity because I was actively involved and experienced the power of God but there are loopholes the devil is using there and I said polytheism is one of them, making the creature equal to the creator and giving God's glory to another, any reasonable person who goes through my write up carefully will realise all my analysis tally if you think about it, The issue of Trinity is not even anywhere in the Bible, it was started by Tertullian at the close of the second century and it originated from paganism, hundreds of years after the last Bible script was written and all the apostles gone, Google is your friend, I am a thinker, analytical to the core and I still maintain that one of the reason for the move of God in rccg is because of that name even if they don't know it, when Jesus said he was one with the father he didn't mean he could be replaced with God and he made it abundantly clear before he left, he even said only God is good and they should not call him good, I started experiencing the move and power of God immediately I entered Islam as opposed to 20yrs of rigorous faithful service in Christianity and all I have to show are death and destruction, I'm sure I know the Bible more than all of you here and I'm still a Bible student because God sent it,

analice107:
Lol. I have no authority of my own, but when a person comes up with the kind of claims she made here, she shd be prepared for questions. For whatever reason, i'm very nice and gentle on her.

Let me state here that she is a lair. If she was a Christian and was involved in all she said she was involved in, the questions i asked won't take her a minute to answer. Why is she acting like she didn't see them?

What does sanctification means @Vennessa?

Where you sanctified? You were a Committed Christian for 20yrs, were you sanctified?

Okay I just had to attend to this, I wasn't sanctified as a Christian because I was demon possessed and had demons harassing me everyday no matter what I did, I dedicated my life to Christ and rededicated severally, I lived a holy life by not cheating, stealing, fornicating, lying etc, I was a committed worker in the vineyard and I could evangelise a town, I never went to parties or listen to any secular music, I could quote scriptures in my sleep and I knew all my right etc, but I was never free from demonic attacks, familiar spirit meetings, witchcraft attack, foundational idol and enemies, sickness, I did at least 30 dry fasting of 3days without food and 7days dry fasting to no avail, I became a byword and several people asked me where is my God, a member of my fellowship once confronted me that she knows I must be very wicked and I think evil and that is why my life was the way it was, she said she sees me working hard for God yet my life got worse, I didn't know how to answer her, nothing gives me joy than seeing other people s success and I don't ever think evil, I wasn't fashioned that way, anyway I can boldly say I'm sanctified now because when I sleep, I don't have sex with spirit husband anymore and I don't find myself in familiar spirit meetings again,,and the snake that used to appear to me in the dream has ceased, I stopped falling sick and my life has begin to move forward, Alhiamdulilah, no matter how born again you claim to be if you are still demon possessed you are not sanctified and if you die that way you are not making heaven because without holiness nobody will see God, think about that

analice107:
Brother, that woman's hands was never in the plough to begin with. What does it mean to hold unto a plough? It means service. Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and it's righteousness..., anyone who does this is the one who had his/her in the plough, then if he looks back...
But, Vanessa7 never served but wanted to be SERVED. If she had understood that the Kingdom of God is first service, then she'd know what being a Christian is.

I'm sure you never went through my write up to make such claims as you have up there, all of you here castigating me has never gone through anything remotely close to what I've been through yet you are judging me. You Christians are so sure that Muslim's don't serve the same God in the Bible and many of you are trying to bully me into going back but I will say this, I will never go back to Christianity insha Allah, I even shiver to imagine myself going back to what I committed to for 2 decade where I suffered and suffered, Let everyone follow what seems right to them, anyone that is truly interested in my write up will have an open heart and not a pre-conceived notion which they are not ready to change. The purpose of my write up is to let people know the truth about Islam, when Jesus said the kingdom of heaven heaven will be taken from the Jew and given to their neighbour, I think there is only one neighbour the Jew or Isaac had and he is Ishmael, also God will not abandon the offspring of Abraham Ishmael, because the blood of Abraham run in his vein and God also promised him, then I will say no one has any right to just leave one religion for the other without being led, even as a Christian you are not suppose to just up and change church because you feel like without being led, so my right up is not meant to convert anyone to Islam but to enlighten about it, I am going to write some of the revelations I had before making my decision in another time, and for those saying I didn't answer some questions I will say I will not be drawn into any argument because it will still not convince you and the Quran says we should not argue because religion is not by compulsion,

analice107:
Listen, Islam and the New Age idols can co habit because behind them, stands the same source, Satan.

Allah is satan and muhammed was his apostle. If you doubt that allah is satan, i will help put you through.

Listen, stay over there, don't think of coming back, but just know that you just willingly gave up your will to satan.

On what basis do you make these claims, you have only been a Christian but I have experienced the two worlds, you will be surprised at the truth out there that you have not yet realised about many things in life, I am still reeling from the shock of discovering God in Islam because like you pastors did enough to poison my mind that they are evil, the experience has made me to view life differently now, I don't just judge or make conclusions on issues unless I have enough evidence both physical and spiritual. Salam

davonny:
@vannassa7,
my dear sister, hope u are enjoying urself in ur newly.
found faith. sincerely, I'm happy because u are now
happy. but why have u not answer my questions. u,
sincerely and with all truthfulness, answering these
questions will help a lot of people out there to have a
deeper understanding of the two religions, why because u
have been in the two. Now let me ask again, I ve added
few more questions.
1. is Jesus the Son of God.
2. was Jesus crucified.
3. did He resurrect,
4. is He at the right hand of God now.
5. do u use the name of Jesus to pray now.
6. who is Holy Spirit to Muslims.
7. can a Muslim be baptised in (receive) the Holy Spirit.
8. can a Muslim be worshiping in Rccg and be enjoying
everything (physical, spiritual, emotional, etc) u are
enjoying now,
9. is God truly the Father,
u answering all these questions sincerely will go a long
way to helping me to have deeper understanding of lot
of things.
Thanks and God bless you.

You know, I'm answering you because you seem sincere and you insist, well this is my take, I can only speak of my experiences in the two religions, I will not be forced to make claims I'm not sure of in order to score cheap points, having said that, the Quran said Jesus came by the word of God, be, and he was created, it also said Angel Gabriel breathed in the sleeve of Mary and she conceive by the spirit of God, then it says at crucifixion the likeness of Jesus was put upon another person and the person was crucified instead but Jesus went to heaven alive. I don't use the name of Jesus to pray again because the covenant I'm under doesn't require that, we pray directly to God five times daily demonstrating our worship of God only by bowing, also the Quran didn't ask us to, the Holy Spirit is a creature of God to Muslim's just like Angels, subservient to God and submissive to His will, the Quran said God use the Holy Spirit to create all things, I don't think a Muslim needs to be baptized in the Holy Spirit because when you are holy, it means you carry the Holy Spirit, I remembered feeling a rush of the Holy Spirit the first time I entered a mosque, I still feel it now when I'm praying, that is why we cannot be possessed, the reason for low crime rate in the north is not because they are specially brought up, but the demons possessing people making them to commit various crimes will not just be able to stay in you if you perform your five salat daily. I already said if I had started my Christian journey in rccg I might not be in this situation but the first church I attended kept manifesting while I was at rccg, I think another plus for Islam is you don't have to wait for days before you can connect seriously, each time you do salat you get recharged, the devil doesn't rest or wait till Sunday to afflict people, he works 24/7

I'm going to say this to buttress my point, I once heard Pastor Adeboye saying he doesn't understand why the Holy Spirit did not allow apostle Paul to go to Asia with the gospel because now they serve several idols, I think the answer is because Christianity cannot handle them at their level of idolatry, in fact when I watch zee world I always imagined the kind of havoc those idols will cause if Indians embrace Christianity, it's only Islam that can handle such level of idolatry and they will be OK, even when they were colonised they didn't embrace Christianity from their colonial master but they have Islam now with one of the most beautiful mosque in the world, though they have Christianity too but in very small percentage and I don't wonder why, the fact is Christianity is not for everybody, there will always be some people like me who need to worship God without associating partners with Him before the devil will leave them alone. people should please read between the lines to get my inference, I cannot be repeating myself, salam

superior1:
I see in you someone who is either lying or completely confused, I suspect the latter. If you were sincerely once a Christian and the search for a man to marry you led you to Islam, I believe Christ will reach out to you in a language you will understand, He doesn't want anyone atol to perish but if this was an attempt to derail people, well your judgement is already beside you. QED

It's either you are slow or cannot comprehend, if you had gone through my write up you will know that what led me to Islam is more than husband but a search for God, holiness, deliverance, sanctification, purification and I didn't just decide to do it, I was led and got my confirmation through series of revelations, and God knows I am not trying to derail but help people who may have found themselves in my situation. Just leave everything to Him

slimtoney:
Vanessa, no matter how hard u try to convince them, they will never take heed. It is only Allah who guides to the right path, those whom he wishes

Thank you my brother, it is obvious that trying to reason with whoever Allah has not guided is futile and I will say this, I do not have all the answers and I'm not God but I know this: I was blind now I can see, by their fruits I have known them, to everyone his/her own, salam

Didov1:
[color=#000000][/color]hi,vannessa7,when you were still a christian,you prayed for people and they receive healing,miracle and breakthrouh,m very sure you did those things in the name of jesus.,them getting healings when prayed for and you still living in sickness when you pray for youself., is the said healing accidental or mere coincidence??like(eg someone who is suffering from malaria is on medication and also praying,when he eventually bcome okay,he now have a believe that its d prayers that made him okay)is that d situation here?.a mere coincidence

I am not saying there is no power of God in Christianity or trying to undermine it in anyway I'm even trying to enhance it by preaching the same thing Jesus preached:serve God, Jehovah, Allah, give Him glory and worship and not Jesus, the prayer model of Jesus, the Lords prayer clearly stated it, Jesus could have said pray and ask me for your need but He said pray to the father, I. e God, and those miracles that was expressed through my ministry was authentic because the people testified, my own situation was a case of malaria today, typhoid tomorrow, sometimes requiring admission, I got fed up at a time and told God I will not go to the hospital or take drugs again and when the next episode arose I was led by the Holy Spirit to go to redeemed camp and join them eating holy communion and when I did I was healed instantly and that was my first encounter with rccg, anyway I still experience the sickness but not as often as before but anytime there is power outage and I sleep in the dark for a few days I begin to fall sick, after moving back to my moms place due to my first husband death I had to sleep in the dark consistently because it's a new house in a new site without electricity yet, my sickness became rampant and serious though I was in rccg, it stopped immediately I converted to Islam even though I still lived in that house for some months. Salam

shadeyinka:
Unfortunately, you got it wrong about me. I almost recited the Shahada (converted to Islam), but what stopped me? I got a copy of the glorious Koran and began to read. As I read, I found so many contradictions...this made me slow down to evaluate both religion.

Read Suratul Yusuf and compare it to the story of Joseph in Genesis: ask yourself which one is believable. Mary the Mother of Jesus was at the cross when Jesus was crucified, Jesus spoke to Mary and John. If the person on the cross isn't Jesus, then Allah is the greatest of deceivers.

So, let me give flesh to my allegations
1. Jesus didn't die on the cross


2. Mariam the sister of Aaron is the mother of Jesus


Compare with
[b]Ex6:20[/b]
Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, and she gave birth to his sons, Aaron and Moses. (Amram lived to be 137 years old.)

And we know that Miriam was Aarons sister. So what a coincidence!

3. Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus

Quran 5:116
And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in partner with Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that ishidden.


4. Issac was not the one Abraham almost sacrificed but Ismael

Quran isn't explicit but Muslims and the Hadith's are:
What is Eid-ul-Adha?

5. Joseph actually begged Portipher to throw him into the prison

Quran12:1-

33 He said, "My Lord, prison is more to my liking than that to which they invite me. And if You do not avert from me their plan, I might incline toward them and [thus] be of the ignorant."

34 So his Lord responded to him and averted from him their plan. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

6. You have a great reward for killing a Jew
In Saheeh Muslim (2922), it is narrated from the hadith of Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them, until a Jew hides behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: O Muslim, O slave of Allaah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Except the gharqad (a thorny tree), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” 

Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."
Sahih Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'" 

7. When Jesus returns, he will Kill ALL the Jews, 
‘Isa will descend from the sky as a just judge. He will break the cross [he will wipe out Christianity], kill pigs [he will kill the jews/outlaw the raising of pigs], and prohibit everything other than Islam.) [Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Abi Shayba]

(When ‘Isa returns to the earth, he will marry, have a son, live for about 40 years, and die. He will be buried beside me.) [Tirmidhi, Mawahib]

8. In paradise, you will swim in the river of wine 

Quran 47:15
A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised: Therein are rivers of water unpolluted, and rivers of milk whereof the flavour changeth not, and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers, and rivers of clear-run honey; therein for them is every kind of fruit, with pardon from their


The purpose of this is to help you see that you did not have enough information justifiable to dump Jesus for Mohammed.

In Islam, there is no guarantee of salvation.

Jesus says
What profits a Man if he gains the whole world but looses his soul (in hell fire).. What have you given in exchange for your eternal life?

Unfortunately too, you have not been the only "Christian" who has been demonized. From the same Jesus, I got my freedom from several years of demonic affliction and here I am still standing in Christ.

Muslims will tell you that we worship the same God but Will any Muslim agree that they worship Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
No!
Even though they claim believe in Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, they have replaced Jehovah with Allah

How you are so sure I'm demonised is still a mirage, do you know there is a Bible written in Arabic and Allah is used throughout to refer to God, every language has a name for God and they have every right to call God in their dialect and God hears and understand because it's the heart and intentions that matter, and FYI I did not dump Jesus anyone who is truly serving the Almighty God will not reject any prophet of God, I accept that Jesus came to call us to serve the only living God, also it might be true that you can go through him to get to God but it's a permissive will, not the perfect will of God and every permissive will always have hidden price to pay, God will have us come to Him without associating partners with Him, God is not equal to His creatures, as for all your points most of them are false and not founded in the Quran, I don't have much time arguing with you, all I know is I was blind now I can see.

Please anyone that wants to pm me should send to vannessabest@gmail.com, I don't understand email from Nairaland, thanks

walezy85:
pls read Romans 1:28

Apostle Paul wrote the book of Roman's, he said many things Jesus did not say and introduced to us a Jesus different from the one in the gospels which are Matthew, mark and Luke, you need to do a thorough study of Jesus ministrations compare to Apostle Paul who never met Jesus, the person that was warned by the Holy Spirit not to go to Jerusalem at a time and he disobey, like I said by their fruits you shall know them, the fruits I'm getting in Islam compared to the one I got in Christianity is totally different, I don't want to go that route again where I nearly committed suicide several times, it was as if God is not for me but for everyone else, no thanks

After my sickness disappeared I started wondering and meditating so I began to do a bit of research, I google countries with the highest rate of cancer and I was surprised there is hardly any Islamic nation, I google richest countries in the world and I was floored, I now understand why the richest man in Africa is a Muslim, I know where ever there is holiness God will pour His wealth there to overflowing especially if the people can maintain clean environment, clean lifestyle because God will not come to a dirty place or person no matter what method they are using to worship Him, demons love dirty environment and will be everywhere causing poverty and affliction. That is one of the problems of the northern Muslim in Nigeria because I've been to the North, they believe it's the duty of government to clean their environment, and daily bathing is strange to some of them because of cold at times.

GodsMopol:
By their fruits, pls shed more light on this, have you seen Hindus or buhdist and you say by their fruit, if you converted to. buhda or Hindu, they will seem to produce fruit because they are holy too. They believe in purity of the mind. See, you are still going to feel. the presence of God even when you do the most formidable thing

As I asked, what do you call a fruit, and take a sample of other religions if they don't bear such fruit. Islam is not really different from other religions.

Am sorry to say this, you might have experienced some gift of the spirit, but you don't or didn't fully comprehend that God sent Jesus to restore the fallen man back to God, the blood of goat or washing of hands is not a perfect sacrifice before God, its not outward adornment, but a recreated spirit, a new spirit, Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh is futile before God.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


If you are trying to stay married, I can only tell you what Moses did, Moses grew among the Egyptians, the Egyptians feed or on your case, married you, but Your heart should be on Jesus. Go to mosque and do all of their rites, but let it be unto Jesus.

Jesus said, no one cometh unto the Father, not even by mistake will anyone come near the Father, except through Jesus

I just saw this now and I laughed, you talk about Buddhist, me that was afflicted as a Christian will now try idolatry?smh, I cannot even try anything unclean, if I enter anywhere that is not holy I begin to have headache immediately, I have been to some churches that I just know is satanic enclave immediately I enter, I will not mention any name, I cannot try any form of evil, I have been to some prayer mountains that due to the fact that the place is satanic I nearly went mad, I had to leave immediately, I will even see warnings in the dream that I'm on satanic ground, even if I enter any house that has evil buried there I will know, I used to have incessant sickness, serious headache and dizziness due to any contact with unholy things places, people or situations, I am that sensitive and that is why I cannot associate partners with God diluting my worship, it makes me unclean, and I converted to Islam before I married and not the other way round, I had some revelations and confirmations before conversation, I didn't dance into Islam, it was a struggle and it took a while for me to be convinced after series of revelations

shadeyinka:
I am repeating this because you have not responded to the issues raised. I want to know if you practice the religion called Christianity OR had a Relationship with the Father.

If I as a Christian went to a Juju man to be able to conceive and have a child and in exactly 9 months time, I gave birth to a baby. Does it make Christianity wrong and the Juju way right? ..because that is what your post is saying.



i honestly do not believe a word of your conjectures. They are bundles of irreconcilables.
As an evangelist, what do you preach? (Come to church or have a relationship with the Father?)

You haven't really told us why you believe that Islam was the way apart from the fact that you said you found a muslim husband and your problems were solved.

What you are saying in other words is that
1. Jesus didn't die on the cross
2. Mariam the sister of Aaron is the mother of Jesus
3. Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus
4. Issac was not the one Abraham almost sacrificed but Ismael
5. Joseph actually begged Portipher to throw him into the prison
6. You have a great reward for killing a Jew
7. When Jesus returns, he will Kill ALL the Jews, Convert all Christians to Muslims and kill the Dajjal
8. In paradise, you will swim in the river of wine and several young boys will attend to you (of course you will marry 70 husbands according to this Dr from Pakistan...

Which ones do you believe in the eight points above.

None of those things you wrote up there are found in the Quran except the one that said Jesus did not die but was replaced by someone who looks like him and he went to heaven alive, to me there is not much difference in saying he resurrected and went to heaven alive and he did not die and went to heaven alive, anyway there are too many mysteries about the spiritual that we may never understand until eternity, I am reading the English Quran so I know what I'm saying, the Quran talks about almost all the stories in the Bible, what you people don't seem to understand is I have the experience of the two worlds while most of you only have your Xtian experience, all your beliefs are hearsay, assumptions and feelings.

enilove:
@Op, I am sure you were never a true Christian. Probably you had been calling yourself a christian but you were never one.

I have my reasons:

1___ You started a thread which you want people to believe but failed to answer a simple question that relates to what you posted.

2------- No sane person would read the Bible and the quran with understanding that would tell you that the quran is the WORD OF GOD. This is the plain truth.

3____ A true christian believes every word of Jesus Christ and obeys his commandment.

4----- - How can you make heaven when you abandon a gentle Saviour , Jesus Christ, who died for your sin to give you eternal life, to follow a murderer ,an adulterer, a worshipper of idol , allah. muhammed was a complete false prophet and an anti christ he claimed Jesus was never crucified.

Go and write this down, if you die as a muslim, you are going to HELL ETERNAL..

I was a muslim , so I know the quran and some hadith and I can tell you plainly that allah is not your Creator neither is he the Creator of the Universe. Allah' s house is the Kabah. That is why evey mosque in the world must face the kabah and on hajj, they must go round it seven times. That is plain idolatory.


It is a the fake that comes after the original. unless the product is from the same manufacturer and going through modification and upgrade. Christianity was b4 Islam more than 600 yrs.

Remember , Jesus tells us in: John 4:22 KJV
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Muhammed was not a Jew. All other prophets ,except muhammed ,were all Jews.

You have to repent and receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Your bold assertions does not make you God to decide who will go to heaven or hell, you were never a serious Muslim and you didn't experience the power of God in Islam, before Jesus came many people walked with God and pleased God, even a whole town of Nineveh repented when Jonah preached to them, Job pleased God so much God boasted about him, if you keep attributing all the glory that belong to God to Jesus you are definitely on your way to hell because God will not share His glory with any man.

GodsMopol:
I was shocked when I saw this, I rest my case

I don't know what is shocking in that thread I already said it that my husband died after four years of marriage from the beginning, I also said I converted to Islam Nov 2016. Check very well

jookunlaja:
Having read her piece and the responses of others on the platform,I make bold to tell all of you that the issue of religion is very personal.I feel her pains,struggle and circumstances and being a very pragmatic Christian,I must also confess that there are issues beyond the ordinary.
I also suffered for years in the hands of spirit wife and demonic forces that pummeled me almost on a daily basis.In fact, I ran to sleep on a church altar one night thinking that the demons sleeping with me in my dreams and making me to wake up soaked with my sperm will not come near me but lo and behold around 1 am,I was attacked again. Some nights,I will have the experience like twice.I prayed,fasted, 3- 6 days dry fasting,that is fasting with only water and sometimes fasting without water for three days.All unfortunately was to no avail.Oh my God,I suffered in the hand of demonic powers--- like snakes,swarm of snakes in my dream, being pursued like mad,eating,masquerades,evil animals etc.Only God can explain what I went through for years. Meanwhile, I was a youth leader in my church and many call me,Pastor Pastor.Not knowing that I was secretly suffering and dying.
Like Vannesa7 did,the next thing is to start attending different churches and go for deliverance in different locations in Lagos and outside Lagos.My inner life was in total shambles.Poverty and misery were my second identity.Believe me,before I could use a common handset,it took me years to get.Oh I really suffered.
However, I did not for once lose faith or contemplate abandoning my faith or going to shrines.I continued searching and reading.I read alomst all the books i can get on deliverance,dreams victory,household powers,demonic oppression and all pastors' who preach on deliverance became my mentor.
For years,I was in this shackle until one day when I mistakenly stumbled on the solution.Believe me,the solution was far simpler than I ever thought it could be.The solution to my years of horror and misery in the area of dream deliverance was just too simple to believe.Years after,I am still sincerely free,delivered permanent by the awesome power of Jesus.
In those days,even when I shout Jesus,that power will still oppress me and hook me down to the bed,pinned me down to the point that I wont be able to talk or move again.My clothes always wet every night from being tortured and from wet dreams.Some explain away wet dream as psychological or just the natural way of the body discharging unused semen from the body but will it now be everyday and after having some horrible dreams?
No medical explanation can suffice for daily wet dreams and nightly dream horrors which I suffered for many years,virtually throughout my teenage and early adult life.I got delivered permanently when I was about 30 years old.
My wife also had this experience.She lost about three pregnancies,she always have dream sex also.We prayed and fasted but no solution.We approached a supposed Pentecostal pastor who said the solution was for her to come and have three days fasting and prayers in his church and that she will burn the cloth she worn for the programme after prayers and bury it.After leaving the church,I plainly told my wife that we wont go back to that place for anything again.
Believe me sincerely,after some time,the solution also came and it was also so unexpectedly so simple and so unimagined.I speak the truth and I lie not,the solution was so simple, so easy and so certain,however,many years after she's still free and still delivered.
My wife's de;iverance came during a sunday school class in RCCG, I just heard a word from God and i excused myself and went outside the church to pray for just few minutes and I knew it that that was the last time she would ever experience that nightmare again.
My own deliverance came as I was reading Rebecca Brown's book, HE CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE. I just stumbled on a single insight that set me totally free with just simple words of prayers,without even shouting and screaming as I used to do before.
I have documented my deliverance experience in a book I wrote titled 'Dreams and Interpretation to do it yourself'.Many are going through this issues without knowing what to do.Life itself is full of mysteries but I sincerely submit that Jesus is still alive to deliver.Meanwhile,while I was suffering I pray for people and they receive answers.I minister Holy Spirit baptism and people fall under the anointing when I pray. I was a semi-successful Christianso to say from the outward side but was secretly suffering till my hand touch the solution.My full encounter is in my book,I have sold over 1000 copies and can only sell the e book as I cant afford the reprinting presently.send a text to me for your ebook 07035697820.Though when I'm less busy,I will post more details here especially for people who cant afford to purchase the ebook. Or if you dont have the means to buy,just send me a pm/dm and I will send the PDF to you free of charge,to silence people who may say I came here to advertise my book.
Cases like her own experience is very common in the school of deliverance,the more you fast and pray,the more the powers will oppress and afflict you and when you stop praying,the powers will stop afflicting you.Its a common case.Some when they pay tithes,things would be tight for them but when they stop,things would go on well for them.Those are simple deliverance cases which could have been resolved by digging to the depth.
Mrs. Vanessa7,I have noting to say but to tell you that I was once in your shoes but Jesus eventually delivered me after years of struggle and secondly that deliverance sometimes could be in stages/processes. I saw one or two places where you missed it but i am not here to blame you but we can talk later.
great day ahead

I had to quote you because of all you said, I want to tell you that you eventually got delivered because you belong to a church of God, rccg, where God is the foundation and God is given His due worship, with my years of experience in Holy Ghost services, the GO also recognize this fact and always give God His true worship, my mother even said it that she always see the GO praying to God whom he call father, he recognized Jesus as the gift and God the giver of the gift, I'm sure if I had started in rccg I wouldn't have gone through what I went through, the first church I attended always manifested even when I joined Rccg, if any song was sang which is the same with that former church, immediately they start manifesting and all other afflictions, they eventually killed my first husband and my sister. I must have done at least 30 deliverances in 3days dry fasting including 7days dry fasting ,I used to get respite for a while then they come back, I fainted in the toilet after a particularly deliverance and nobody could lift me up from urine and faeces because everyone was too weak from dry fasting, I had to wake up and get up by myself, my brother I thank Almighty Allah that it's all over

GodsMopol:
See, the devil is the primary enemy of God from the start. See, the fact you see someone in your dream doesn't mean they are the one actually perpetuating those evil. I was listening to Olukoya explaining the die by fire concept and he said, its not the person that they are praying should die, rather, the spirit behind it.


We know of many prophets before Jesus who preached and proclaimed the message of God, but I always have this question, Mohammed seem to be off the mark. Mohammed was said to have fought wars, killed in the name of allah, the question is, considering past prophets, which of them was as brutal as Muhammad, have you ever taken time to recognise that, the isa in the quran might not really be the Jesus we proclaim.



Like I said, Americans will not fight Americans, but allow a terrorist into the territory, American is on their heels. See, light can't fight light as i said earlier, it would rather enhance the light. Jesus suffered on earth, we all know that, aside the constant criticizm his disciples faced

Lemme ask, who is Jesus to you

From my write up I said exactly the same the that people are actually not the one afflicting you but the devil who is able to borrow their soul which is corrupt through polytheism, worshipping others beside God, saying thank you Jesus for what God has done, after seeing the complain of God all over the Quran about people associating partners with Him I actually cringe now when I hear thank you Jesus, Jesus that prayed to God while on earth and said he can of himself do nothing, God said in the Quran that anyone associating partners with Him should ask if those partners created anything or were not themselves created by God,

The Bible is more bloody than the Quran, I still cry when I read the Old Testament and I just have to accept we can't question God when I see the level of violence, killing even babies and everything during war with enemies of Israel, David the beloved of God killed uncountable people, even the Israelite when they complained against God, the ground opened and swallow them, plagues, did you see how prophet Samuel he's down the king captured by Saul during the war, do you want to talk about Elijah and Elisha, calling fire to consume people because he was afraid and Elisha cursing children and she bear devoured them because they made jest of him, and before you say it's Old Testament , all this situations directly deal with God who created all things and is the Almighty, the law of Moses is the law of God, Moses didn't generate it himself, Mohammed too dealt directly with God and when fighting against the enemies of God it's either you obey or not, it is what brought king Saul down because he refused to kill some people . America has already made themselves God's enemy by all their gay laws and sexual laxity, so I have nothing much to say about that, as per who is Jesus to me, I already answered that in another quote

Richdotcom:
Sorry to say madam but It's either you never entered a church and sumbody told you this story or you are just playing around and trying to catch some fun here on NL...... So Satan always have a way of making you unholy because of your foundation?But pastors have holiness obviously they never had wrong foundation ?



The Bible says faith comes by hearing(understanding), if you don't understand what the word of God says about a situation, you can pray and pray and pray and you will still be lost!!! You were too carried away with either your church activities or your search for solution that you didn't try reading and understand what God words says, you didn't bother to know who you are in Christ.....



Who told you that your foundation will always be an hinderance to your relationship with God? Who told you that?



I had foundation issues, with the word of God and with holy communion and with understanding I destroyed mine, right in my self contained many years ago when I was still in the university..never to be a problem anymore to me...... there is a saying that the problems we face in life is a function of our ignorance....... the Bible says my people died for lack of knowledge, the devil was playing you around because you lack the knowledge.





Madam sorry initially I said your faith was shaking, it not your fault it's the fault of the assemble you were or the mind set you used in visiting those other churches..... you were too carried away searching for solutions to your problem that you never for once choose to know God for yourself thus when you "saw" what looked like a fix to your problem you automatically believe God is here.



Because if you truly did try knowing God for yourself you will discover that there is no difference between you and the "holy pastor" in the sight of God...... the only difference is that he knows God and what he says concerning that foundation problem, but you don't!!!


I tell you this, those pastors too had foundation problems, how come they solved it and got "holiness" according to you?

I will tell you, because they know the word of God for them self.

Madam I am not trying to make you feel bad but deep down within you, you know i am saying the truth.... you were going from church to church looking for the man of God to touch you and solve your problem or give you prayer point so you will get " solution" ..... you didn't bother to know God for yourself.




madam what you passed through was hard yes I know..... but people have passed even harder challenges too and conquered...... yours isn't different, nothing new under the earth.



And once again I need to say this, you can see vision and dream of exam questions, you can even be a first class student in your days, that doesn't mean you know God, you might know about him but don't know him personally, I mean having a personal relationship with him.




I am not trying to talk down your newly found religion or scare you but you ain't getting those attacks anymore because you are currently in the devil camp..... thus he will let you for a while .

You know I cannot respond to everyone but I will try my best, I think it is offensive and unacceptable to me that you are making concrete statements concluding who I was and my experiences when you are not the Holy Spirit, to say I didn't know God for myself is a joke or lie or incongruous, you thought I just up and joined Islam without being led? There are many things I can't say here because social network is not like real life, and yes the higher you go in spiritual hierarchy the more anointing and power, to carry out the assignments, I attended many pastoral trainings o and tried to be a pastor then, any pastor that told you church members have the same level of anointing as their pastors have another thinking coming, and as for my faith it was so strong It could move mountains, I knew the word of God and I still quote them even now because it is sharper than any two edged sword, but when you are not able to keep your holiness 24/7, the word of God will only work for those that belong to God.
I will tell you like Jesus said the devil will not cast out devil because a house divided against itself will fall, Islam monotheism is a religion of the only living God, what we say throughout prayer is worship of God demonstrated by bowing down to Him, when we say Laila Illalahi Muhammadu rosul lilahi, I. e none has the right to be worshipped but God and Mohammed is His messenger the devil flee immediately, Bisimillahi Ramoni Rahim which means in the name of God the most gracious and the most merciful, you are sanctified , Christians can delude themselves from now till next year that Islam is bad but we know better and God knows better, there have been too many signs even in this our present world pointing to Islam and I'm sure they will over the internet, is it a coincidence that I married a former pastor who is now an Islamic scholar comparing Islam to Christianity ,he get invited to speak at Islamic functions often and he has written a book. I just prayed and we met I didn't hand pick him and he is an edo man not Yoruba,

Richdotcom:
No offense madam, we are not quarreling take it easy.....


Ok you made some points that got me interested, initially you said you lost your job it gave me the impression that you were fired didn't know you willingly resigned out of fear, actually I think there is more to your story that you ain't telling us...... like I have always said Christianity isn't the problem, your faith was.... if you truly did believe in the God of the Christian, no matter the nature or size of diabolical powers will make you fear let alone resign your job...... madam take it from me, your faith was not deeply rooted as you think it was..... by your words and by the fruit you produces it shows..... sorry to say.


You said men of God pass through challenges yes they do, but why is it that the names you mentioned didn't neglect the faith for an alternative? Because their faith was and is firm in God, like olukoya that you meantioned did he get his desired result at the end of the day? YES!!!



There are trials as stated in the Bible to last only but for a while, and after which it's gone.....

But madam come to think of it, God performed miracles through you, healed people, gave some miracle jobs and a some their dream husband..... in the church you worshipped with I believe such testimony must have been pouring in on Daily or weekly basis, as a matter of fact he even did some through you.......... now my question, do you think God, singled you out for no reason and decided not to bless you among the multitude?

Other people in the church got answers to their prayers, why didn't you get yours? Do you think God just hate you or he is incapable of helping you? No!!!

If people were getting testimony around you and even some through you and yours didn't come? Then there is something wrong with your faith..... take it from me!!! No offense tho.



Also in the course of this your write up, I will be happy if you could also state some of your prayers that got answered.......... or is it that you didn't get any answers to your prayers? Will love to know thanks!

Well I will also tell you categorically I did not resign my job out of fear, I saw death coming and I was praying but nothing was happening, only God knows what I went through, as for those men of God, I'm sure they had holiness, they were not being constantly harassed by evil forces, there is a way the devil take away your holiness in order to make you an enemy of God so that he can destroy you, the battle cry of the devil is to make a believer an enemy of God, and if by the nature of your foundation or destiny you have been exposed to the devil, he will constantly manifest by making one unholy through several means such as spirit husband, familiar spirit, idol power, that person will always fail and cannot make heaven in such a state, Islam is the only one that gets rid of all that unless you are a pastor,

I experienced a lot of the move of God in my personal life then such as knowing exam questions during my masters, I was the first to satisfy every condition to graduate in my masters class, I had career growth and prosperity before the devil took them all away

Tosinex:
@vanessa tell me you are not lying. You said Islam embodies holiness, doesn't Christianity embodies holiness too. Romans 12:1, well because a Muslim man came to marry you doesn't mean Islam is the way, they can marry as many wives as they want unlike Christians. Let me remind you something you forgot "Jesus said I'm the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me"

The essence of Christianity is far from holiness, Jesus said he did not come for the Holy people but unholy, You have to qualify, it's spiritual law, you can't be guiltless and still be convicted, What ever Apostle Paul wrote cannot be taken as the word of Christ, He introduced so many idea and he said so himself, look closely at Jesus ministrations and see his message which is to direct man to serve the only living God, the Quran came after the injeel so Jesus saying he is the way has no basis for comparison, all I know is I believe Jesus is a prophet of God born by the Virgin Mary through the word of God and he is coming at the last da.y after the trumpet has been blown as it is written in the Quran and the Bible but God and Jesus did not ask us to worship Jesus in replacement of God, worshipping him along with God is breaking the law of God and earning a curse, that is why many are languishing under heavy affliction of the devil and they are Christians.