Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 2:10pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
FxMasterz: I have even provided a screenshot of your very first position where you categorically stated that God hold people accountable at the age of 7. Then, after I opposed that view, you shifted ground to say nature is God and God is nature, but provisions are made even in the court of law for people who are not normal. When I said that has been my position from the beginning, you started saying 'everyone based their answers on normal people alone'.
Do you even understand the topic of discussion at all? And was ONE of your opposition not on "did God state a stipulated age?" Which i answered."Nature Did" Then your other oppositions "If your reasoning is scriptural, would you tell us why Jesus called said what He said about the little children? Do you know that there are people who are adults by age, but children in their minds? God does not reason the way man does. There's no particular age God holds people accountable. He knows each person is different in terms of maturity. Give us scriptures to buttress your point." Which i had already answered with one swoop, which was why you moved post to "imbeciles" and "madmen". Please, this issue is settled. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 2:00pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
FxMasterz: You don't see your weakness when you were all seeing only normal people while answering the question? You can't see that as a weakness on your own part? You did not know that even among normal people, cognitive and intellectual capabilities still vary? O boy, why do you disgrace yourself?. Do.you not see all the inquiries taken to see and prove the guilt or excuse when a person is actused of wrongdoing? If he is slow do people not come out to say "e no well o, leave am. E no know wetin e dey do, see am na"" And they point out the evidemce of his anomally And if he is too sharp, do they not say "hol am! Hin bo wetin e dey do. No mind am o. Na so e dey do" All tbese tbings and more play out before a person is convicted for a wrongdoing, so in the end it is only if a person is truly guilty, that he can be justly convicted, no matter his rate of cognition. Every normal person knows these things,so you disgrace yourself when you act like you.do not know, all because you hate to be corrected. FxMasterz: When, you're talking about God, you need to see things the way God does, not how man does. That way you wouldn't put God in man's limitations as you have done regarding this very question... How many times did God Say "which one of you?" Or can you.count the number of times God used the things we do to explain Himself eg who lights a lantern and put it under the bed? Or who would not pull out his ox which fell into a pit on the sabbath? Or who lays a trap in the sight of his prey? You are just doing the strategy of unending argument so as to cover your shame. FxMasterz: God is not nature, and nature is not God! That's Buddhism and not Christianity! If you are a worshipper of nature, then I have no business arguing the scriptures with you. Instead, I'll tell you to become born again, and turn yourself in, to the only true God. Is it budhist who made the Natural Law and Natural Rights which you are using to.say that "A person should only be convicted if they.know that what they did was wrong?"
Is there any scripture which clearly says this? Yet, you are acting on it and making noise with it,
O because your teachers did not teach you therefore, no other thing exists outside what your masters taught you.. O So you are the example of the people who atheist say that they.can not learn anything outside what their masters and church taught them.
No wonder. You are truly brainwashed hence your newphobia. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 1:00pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
FxMasterz: This your position was a later shift from your previous position. Your initial position before adding that 'God did not, but nature has' was that God holds people accountable at age 7.
Screenshot: How is it a change of position where i clearly stated and stood on the ground that God holds people accountable at age 7? You really do not have anything to say.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 12:39pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
FxMasterz: I'm sure you arrived at this position after I countered you when you had categorically stated that God starts holding people accountable at age 7.
If God starts holding people accountable at age 7 as you said, then you just contradicted yourself. Your new position has been my position from start , against which you have been arguing. It is known that "Nature Means God" (thats why devils hate nature), so i am just sharing that Lyability actually commenced around the age of 7 as shown by Natural Law, for those who are normal people. And we all have normal people in mind when we were making our comments. Which was why after my answer you moved post to "imbeciles" and "mad people" which i also answered saying "Meaning, that when a person is seen and known to be slow in understanding and fails to understand that he has done a wrong, no just and fair Court will ever convict him" Your problem is that you have a very great adversity towards learning things you never knew (Newophobia). You obviously think you know it all, and therefore, you hate to be challeged and told you are wrong. So you hate correction and refuse to listen and assimilate new things.
The bible has a word or 2 about being unteachable |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 12:18pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Even by saying 7yrs is God's age of accountability when God never said so?
Have I said anything that the scriptures didn't say? Your preset mind does not allow you to read and understand. I am sure you are a crammer when you were in school, reading but not understanding,. Meanwile, understanding is what you need to understand God and to live Life very well. I clearly said "God did not specify a specific age but Nature has. And it is based on this observation that all over the world criminal liability commences at the age of 7. And the word is "as a general rule". |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 12:04pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
FxMasterz: You didn't explain anything. I gave you scriptures, you're giving me your own thoughts contrary to the scriptures. No where have i contradicted the scripture, i have only countered your own bad and fall full understanding of the scripture, |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 11:50am On Mar 31, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Even in the court of law, an imbecilic individual or a mad man is not judged the same way as someone who is in his right mind. Even a full blown adult suffering from dementia is given s great deal of excuses in court. How much more God, the Only Wise? Why do you not read and assimilate before you speak? Did i not say "Meaning, that when a person is seen and known to be slow in understanding and fails to understand that he has done a wrong, no just and fair Court will ever convict him" I am a lawyer, so i know all these more than you. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 11:34am On Mar 31, 2024 |
FxMasterz: So, did God state specially that He'll hold people responsible for their actions at a stipulated age?
If your reasoning is scriptural, would you tell us why Jesus called said what He said about the little children?
Do you know that there are people who are adults by age, but children in their minds? God does not reason the way man does. There's no particular age God holds people accountable. He knows each person is different in terms of maturity. Give us scriptures to buttress your point. You have said all these earlier and i have explained them all. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Unpopular Opinion by Veecruz: 11:29am On Mar 31, 2024 |
macduff884: Why do angels in heaven bear English names like Micheal, Gabriel etc and not an Africn name like Kola, Arinze or Maybe Spanish names like xavi, Andre etc?
Does it mean that Angels are initially from England?
It's time we start questioning some status quo either to learn more about it or to debunk what we have already been meant to believe. Happy Easter as you ponder on this😊 How does this make a life better and sweeter? Do you know all the angels in heaven that you know they all have English names? Please, stop bothering us about things that evil and have no good value. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 11:18am On Mar 31, 2024 |
Aemmyjah: A mentally slow person at 40 will not be e accountable to God? FxMasterz: I'm not God. God knows how He determines who'll be accountable to Him. But would God be a just God to hold a mentally challenged person accountable, when he doesn't know what he's doing even at 100? For example, someone born with mental retardation. Look at mad men on the streets, do they not know not to steal, kill, destroy, harm and wound people or even children? Even a sliow person knows sone good and evil and we hold them lyable to that part that we know, they know, So, how much more God, Who knows all that they know! |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Have Happened If Jesus Didn't Resurrected? by Veecruz: 11:04am On Mar 31, 2024 |
Omooba77: What would have happened if Jesus didn't Resurrected? Then it meant that he was not the Messaiah but just another prophet. But He did Rise.
And His Rising proved that He is indeed The Lord, our God,
And that man was so evil that they did kill God as they had sworn they would do if and when they have the chance.
So now, man has in deed killed Him, and so now God has a Right to kill man AS THE LAW HAS COMMANDED! |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Have Happened If Jesus Didn't Resurrected? by Veecruz: 10:59am On Mar 31, 2024 |
MaryAye: The kingdom race would have been a scam. Na who know road dey show road.
Jesus is the only person that told the world about a kingdom to come and further told us that he will die and on the third day he will resurrect again.
He is the only one to do it. No one ever did it. So, we believe him when he said "No one cometh to the father except through him." Wrong sis! The kingdom of God has always been there but because the world was so good inspite of God's Curses, people did not care about God and their countability to God and their lives after death. The Lord, just gave man a very big wake up kick to get him to be mindfull. But as usual, people would still always return to their former ways. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Have Happened If Jesus Didn't Resurrected? by Veecruz: 10:54am On Mar 31, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Then resurrection of the dead or the promise of everlasting life that all ancient servants of God has been anticipating is gone!  Postponed. Not gone. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 10:38am On Mar 31, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Please support your claims with scriptures!
Don't come here pitching your thoughts against the word of God. I never said God has chosen the age of 20 as the age of accountability. I quoted that scripture without drawing any inference.
God didn't stipulate any specific age for people to become accountable. God alone knows the age of accountability for every individual. People mature at different paces. God knows when an individual has reached the age of accountability. There are 5yr olds that are even more self-aware, more intelligent and have deeper understanding of things than some 7yr olds.
No age was pegged in the Bible because God, being the only Wise God knows that age shouldn't be a yardstick. What would we say about those whose mental developments are slow? What would we say about those mentally challenged humans whose intellectual maturity take a long time? Some never even mature intellectually.
If you want to argue, bring the scriptures for your backing. Say only what the Word says. If you are a pusher of your own thoughts, you would fall into many errors. Your intentions and reason (inferemce) for a statement is always relevant unless you c expressly state it that the statement should be taken without meaning. True, God did not specify a specific age but Nature has. And it is based on this observation that all over the world criminal liability commences at the age of 7. And the word.is "as a general rule". Meaning, that when a person is seen and known to be slow in understanding and fails to understand that he has done a wrong, no ust and fair Court will ever convict him. That is The Law which God gave and taought Moses. So in the end everyone is covered under Law, God's Law which is the True Law and not the fake evil law called legal which are merely commands of men. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 10:18am On Mar 31, 2024*. Modified: 10:48am On Mar 31, 2024 |
Expanse2020: If a person father is a debtor definitely the son automatically inherited the debt and when the father died the kid must pay the debt back unless he maybe subdue to a slave.... When Adam committed sin and you inherited and now you still said the person doesn't have the sin on his record but he just inherited it...is that not confusing He does not inherit the debt, unless he agrees (consents) to it, koboj has told you that he would not agree. it is rather that his father's property must be used to settle the debt the father owes. The only thing man inherited from Adam is the ability to commit a sin, that is what the bible meant |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We The Npcs Of The World ��� by Veecruz: 6:48pm On Mar 30, 2024 |
Bintasukai: The term NPC refers to Non-Playable Characters. It’s essentially the opposite of the main character. As if we are just here to act as a background to the lives of those people he mentioned. Daniel amd Mathew 24 and Revelation prophecies hit us na! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 6:40pm On Mar 30, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Mathew 19:14
"Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
Jesus already answered the question.
As my brother Steep rightly said, the baby is a sinner because he was born in sin but God does not condemn him to hell because he has done nothing for which he is personally responsible.
God does not hold babies or children accountable, as seen Mathew 19:14. Just as in the wilderness, God did not hold Israelites who were below 20yrs responsible for the rebellion of the nation. Joshua and Caleb with those who were below 20yrs were blameless, but all those who were older than 20 were condemned to die in the wilderness and not enter Canaan.
Numbers 14:29 "In this wilderness your bodies will fall—every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me." Correction! It is a from the age of 7 that every soul becomes liable for wrong doing (sin). This is just another example of where God's grace is exercised for here, As The King to Whom the offence was given, He herein exercises His discretion to exclude persons below 20yrs from the death penalty associated with this specific crime which was originally commited by adults and not children. Thus, it was right and just that God exludes the children from the crimes of the adults. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 6:28pm On Mar 30, 2024 |
Obrigardo: well the creepy white dude means a different thing People speak to the extent they know. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 10:17am On Mar 30, 2024 |
Expanse2020: Sin is sin Where you do it intentionally or not And if you said he inherited a sin surely he should be punished for it... Do how come someone who inherited a sin is not a sinner any more but innocent. If you were a Christian and not a Muslim then you would have known that a person always intend to sin, when they sin. If they did not intend to sin, every just Judge will see it. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Says 4 Month Old Babies can Sin by Veecruz: 10:14am On Mar 30, 2024 |
Obrigardo: Good. This is what I wanted from the start. That man's claim is heretical at best and I put it out here so it can be rejected, and we can also use this to correct the obnoxious claim of inherent sin. Because that's absurd. See now, you have stretched it to inherent sin forgetting that inherent sin also means the ability to sin, which a baby can do after growing up and knowing what things are good or evil. But till then, he is incapable of sin until he reaches the age of sin liability. Criminal liability |
Christianity Etc › Re: How do atheists feel when they're about to die ? by Veecruz: 10:02am On Mar 30, 2024 |
jaephoenix: So which atheists committed murder? You and many atheists kill people as your atheist brother Hardmirror confessed. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How do atheists feel when they're about to die ? by Veecruz: 4:23pm On Mar 29, 2024 |
jaephoenix: Of course its him. U can't miss the toxicity. His is the special. Aint no hate like the Christian love No one loves suicide murderers and mass murderers. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Murder Of Jesus: The Worst Crime In History by Veecruz: 4:19pm On Mar 29, 2024 |
The worsest thing man ever did. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Do People Still Cook Frejon On Good Friday? by Veecruz: 1:18pm On Mar 29, 2024 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: What's Your Understanding Of Keeping The Sabbath Day Holy by Veecruz: 1:15pm On Mar 29, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: It was supposed to be a Saturday because that is the day God chose for the Israelites but today the world has chosen Sunday as a day of rest so you can still make your Sunday Holy by reading, studying, meditating on God's word (Bible) and praying fervently for God to direct you and your household on the practical application of God's word! Deuteronomy 6:4-7
May you have PEACE!  So man should obey the world rather than God! |
Christianity Etc › Re: What's Your Understanding Of Keeping The Sabbath Day Holy by Veecruz: 1:13pm On Mar 29, 2024 |
Kobojunkie: The Sabbath law you quote is defined in the Old Law of Moses and as Daniel, Jesus Christ and then Paul revealed by way of Scripture, all those of you who continue to live as subjects of God's Old Law and the Prophets are cursed by the God of Israel. Yes, God cursed all of Israel(including Judah) as He promised through Moses and the Prophets that He would, about 1900 years ago, during the time of Jesus Christ, and His apostles. Anyone still living as a subject of that Law today is cursed and heaps additional curses of himself by pretending to live in submission to the Law. There are no blessings to those who live under the Law, only curses, as God said would happen. So, those who teach to follow the Sabbath Law do not have your good in mind.  You are talking rubbish as usual for man is already Cursed and he is always cursed from disobeying God. So, how can a person obey God and be cursed? You have always lacked understanding |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is "The Logos" Or "The Word"? by Veecruz: 1:08pm On Mar 29, 2024 |
oteneaaron: S They would, however, spend centuries arguing over what it could possibly mean. The argument is settled for man has experienced "power in the tongue" moment. So they ought to understand what The Word is! |
Christianity Etc › Re: How do atheists feel when they're about to die ? by Veecruz: 12:58pm On Mar 29, 2024 |
LordReed: Ahh DtruthSpeaker I should have known. LMAO! Ahan, you knew naa! |
Christianity Etc › Re: How do atheists feel when they're about to die ? by Veecruz: 10:32am On Mar 29, 2024 |
LordReed: LoLz. This is the same pattern 419ers use, always building castles in the air. Nothing of substance only speculations from religiously fueled dreams. Never seen the god, never seen the so called medals, never seen the prison, nothing but smoke and mirrors. Bwahahahahahaha! Is medals and awards and punishments not given at the end of a game? Is it not at the end of an event you would see important people who you do not ordinarily see? Your distraction and deflection no work! As long as you are in this game of Life, you are player on the field and whether you. play or not play and refusal to play, you are still a player in the field. And all that you are doing or dont do or refuse to do is being recorded by those whose jobs it is to record you. And The Law of the game will still take its course whether you like it or not. And you already dont like it for you already know that you are not going to have a good and favourable outcome, as your play and not play has determined already So, the only thing you have to hang on to is to wish that you would not be punished.  But you already know that your wishes are a nullity!  hahahahahahahaha. And further unfortunacy is that there is no better luck for you. hahahahahahahaha |
Christianity Etc › Re: Deuteronomy 17:17 Shows That God Does Not Approve Polygamy!!! by Veecruz(op): 10:06am On Mar 29, 2024 |
benji93: Hello, quote the Bible, please. Genesis 16 vs 3. NKJV, NLT, NIV e.t.c. It's clearly written in at least the listed versions as wife, and we can go into the Hebrew bible if you want. We are discussing a biblical story here, so quote verses. You can always use names or instances we are familiar with but quote the bible first, then explain. In all of this exchange, you haven't quoted the verse itself.
And you need to stop jumping about the point. The argument was that Hagar became his wife, not about whether he was forced to. Very simple. Of what value is it to quote what everyone knows? We are now looking deep into the story itself to see all the things in it, which is why you raised that Hagar was."Technically Avraham's wife". And i say, that no reasonable person can say she was, for when anyone wants to take a wife, do they it on their own will and motion, and not under force or duress, as you already know, a marriage done under force and duress is already void ab initio, like everything done under force and duress. So, you are wrong! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Deuteronomy 17:17 Shows That God Does Not Approve Polygamy!!! by Veecruz(op): 9:24am On Mar 29, 2024 |
Ken4Christ: You need to visit a psychiatrist. You are of your father the devil. You are lying to your teeth as though you don't understand my point just because you want to defend your position at all cost. I am done with you. Look at the lover of lust and adultery.
Of course you cannot answer it because no one could have given you all the cars in the Ikeja terriitory and then turn around to accuse you of taking.just one car, out what you say, they have been given! |
Christianity Etc › Re: God Is Partial by Veecruz: 9:17pm On Mar 28, 2024 |
FRANCISTOWN: I'm acquainted with lots of people in power. If I ever went to the police station. It's either I'm going there for a visit or I'm checking on someone I put behind bars. Now what else? See how you show that atheists are poor.and are Liars? You know people in.power yet you drive a keke and it got ceased and you got arrested? A cockroach has more worth than you. |