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TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 12:01pm On Mar 07, 2019
badinfluence:
The winner here is the man who managed to drag three people to war with him.. IHate9jerianss na you win biko grin grin
undecided

TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 11:57am On Mar 07, 2019
Dont tell me i missed all this action. Why didn't someone mention me? cry cry

hulk616 angry
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 10:23pm On Mar 02, 2019
CosmicPhoenix:
what if i told you WB were caught bribing youtube influencers a few years back grin
Lol grin grin grin
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 10:08pm On Mar 02, 2019
Laurene:
young man, I believe it's my opinion and I have the right to it.. thats what I think.....EOD..
Lol. Sure thing, ma grin. Everyone can have an opinion, doesn't make you right wink
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 9:36pm On Mar 02, 2019
Laurene:
read it well. they own 30 percent not all. and the critics are not owned by Warner Bros so even if they own the whole of Rotten Tomatoes they don't own people's opinions OK..
But they own the site the said critics review on undecided
Besides, if you believe they dont own people's opinion, why do you think Disney does? Do you have any evidence that Disney is paying critics?
If you have a problem with Rotten Tomatoes, there's always Metacritic.
Christianity EtcRe: Theists VS Atheists - Which Side Is Winning? by Vic2Ree(op): 8:13pm On Mar 02, 2019
JujuSugar:
a) Define Objective
b) Define Absolute
c) Having defined the terms from a & b, do you consider it a possibility that you are confusing both terms?
Perhaps that's a way to clear up the language.

JujuSugar:
If you argue that the wellbeing of man is not axiomatic, then we are no longer talking about morality.
But then, this. I take issue with this because it is defining morality as that which promotes well-being. I define morality as something like that which a human should or should not do.

I would not define well being as morality, therefore I would not agree that to say otherwise means "we are no longer talking about morality."

But absolute morality, okay. Perhaps we can work with that. So it is fair to say that the atheistic view I've seen presented is that it ia not absolutely wrong to gas Jews, or it is not absolutely wrong to hate, and that it is not absolutely better to be a loving father than to gas Jews. I think this explanation is fair.
Christianity EtcRe: Theists VS Atheists - Which Side Is Winning? by Vic2Ree(op): 7:31pm On Mar 02, 2019
JujuSugar:
Pause, sir!
a) You can't assume that every atheist believes the same thing.
b) There's no reason to believe that most atheists argue for objective morality.
Understand that this is simply based on my observations. In my experience. Particularly here on nairaland, and on listening to Sam Harris and his followers. But it's ultimately anecdotal. That's why it's "by my estimation".
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 7:01pm On Mar 02, 2019
Christianity EtcRe: Theists VS Atheists - Which Side Is Winning? by Vic2Ree(op): 7:00pm On Mar 02, 2019
JujuSugar:
But the debate is about whether objective morality does or does not exist huh.......
Not exactly. I think most atheists argue that objective morality exists independent of a god. And I think theists have overwhelmingly won that debate.

As for objective morality vs. moral nihilism, that's un-won territory in my book, but moral nihilism is sort of winning by inches.

But yes, if you accept the nihilism inherent in atheism, and if we're talking about whether or not objective morals actually exist, then you are correct that this is unfinished business between the two sides.
Christianity EtcRe: Theists VS Atheists - Which Side Is Winning? by Vic2Ree(op): 6:05pm On Mar 02, 2019
JujuSugar:
Hmmm.....
Sir, does this mean that theists have "won" the argument regarding morality because there are no universally correct values in an atheistic worldview?
Technically no. So great question. It would be that the theist has valid a positive case for objective morality while the atheist does not. Something like that.
Christianity EtcRe: Theists VS Atheists - Which Side Is Winning? by Vic2Ree(op): 5:06pm On Mar 02, 2019
JujuSugar, these are entire debates in and of themselves, so I will not be debating these points. I will simply state the central claims of the points you mentioned, and that should shed light on how I believe that these points relate to theism or atheism. Again, please note, I will not debate the actual points on this thread.
JujuSugar:
a/ Morality (objective moral standards and non-arbitrary value systems)
There are no universally correct values on an atheistic worldview.
JujuSugar:
b/ The limits of science, the axioms of the scientific method, the end of materialism/naturalism, etc.
Materialism cannot account for logically necessary metaphysical truths like the existence of the supernatural or God. (Please re-read first paragraph of this comment before reacting to this point)
JujuSugar:
c/ Evolution
Evolution is true as opposed to Biblical creationism.
JujuSugar:
d/ Determinism (no free will)
Our actions are predetermined rather than freely chosen, and evils are predestined by natural laws rather than agent causation, thereby making God to blame for evils. (Though this view finds companionship with Calvinism)
Christianity EtcRe: Theists VS Atheists - Which Side Is Winning? by Vic2Ree(op): 12:35pm On Mar 02, 2019
Cc. budaatum, MuttleyLaff, Vaxx, JujuSugar, Ranchhoddas
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 12:13pm On Mar 02, 2019
TheKingIsHere:
We all know the truth wink
What's wrong with a Marvel fan liking Batman? undecided
Christianity EtcTheists VS Atheists - Which Side Is Winning? by Vic2Ree(op): 12:11pm On Mar 02, 2019
So, by my estimation, it appears that theists have won, for all intents and purposes:
1. The logical problem of evil
2. Morality (objective moral standards and non-arbitrary value systems)
3. The limits of science, the axioms of the scientific method, the end of materialism/naturalism, etc.

Atheists, by contrast, have won:
1. Determinism (no free will)
2. Evolution
3. The emotional problem of evil
4. Scientific inerrancy of religious texts

And it appears they can all agree, for the most part, upon:
1. Evolution
2. The psychological significance of religion (though they often disagree on the impact being positive or negative)
3. Infinite reality (theists believing in an infinite being, atheists believing in an infinite material universe).

These debates are by no means settled, of course.

What overarching arguments/debates do you, honestly, think either camp has "won"? What conversations do you think both sides are having on common ground?

Cc. LordReed, IamSabrina, Martinez39, CreepyBlackpool, HellVictorinho, MJBOLT, hahn, 1Sharon, paxonel, johnydon22, Frank317, RuthlessLeader, AgentOfAllah, HappyPagan, NPComplete
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 11:41am On Mar 02, 2019
Laurene:
disney got critics in their pay pockets
I though Rotten Tomatoes was owned by Warner Bros cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: As An Atheist When Last Did You Have A Nightmare by Vic2Ree(m): 8:28am On Feb 27, 2019
Emmanystone:
I'd give you my time, if you were worth it, but, nah boy.

Move along.
Nah. Its cos you know NOTHING about predestination. That's why you're running like a sorry ass chicken. What a pity grin
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 8:26am On Feb 27, 2019
MJBOLT:
i dont think so,Big Hero 6 has an Oscar and i believe The Incredibles also(lemme check)


MODIFIED:The Incredibles has 2 Oscars,one of them is for best animated feature
Yh. I should ve said btw Marvel and DC grin
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 7:55pm On Feb 26, 2019
CosmicPhoenix:
Black Panther is already causing dumb DC tards pain,brainless fagg0t
Yup we all knew this was coming grin grin grin. DC salt is everlasting.
In the meantime, Spider-Verse is the first superhero animated film to win "Best Animated Feature" at the Oscars.
Christianity EtcRe: As An Atheist When Last Did You Have A Nightmare by Vic2Ree(m): 7:45pm On Feb 26, 2019
Emmanystone:
sadX
Take my advise, be informed before you talk in public. God does not control your actions. If He did, you won't be a demon possessed homosexual.

You'd follow Him automatically.
Uhm, Anas09.... Oops sorry grin
Emmanystone or whatever you call urself, you're clearly the uninformed dummy cos if you weren't you'll know that predestination and free well are mutually exclusive. Drop your Bible and pick a book once in a while. Idiota!
Christianity EtcRe: As An Atheist When Last Did You Have A Nightmare by Vic2Ree(m): 3:53pm On Feb 19, 2019
First of all its zombie. Not zoombie
Emmanystone:
How am i a zoombie? Zoombie has no Will Power to choose its lot, i do.
If your god is omniscient then you have no willpower

Emmanystone:
I was once a sinner soaked in sin spiralling down to hell, till Christ found and saved me.
*yawn*

Emmanystone:
What i am today i chose it, so how am i a zoombie, do you know what a zoombie is?
Your God has predestined your actions already. You have no free will
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 12:25pm On Feb 19, 2019
JJOF:
That time dem go con say na d overhype wey marvel create 4 d movie na hin cuz am. Mtchew.
DC fanboys cheesy.
No excuse they won't give to downplay their trashing in Marvel's hands LMAO grin grin grin
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 12:16pm On Feb 19, 2019
BlackManta:
She said it only happens to Marvel films undecided
Bro, are you aware that there is a group of DC fanboys online boycotting Marvel films? Yes OR No?
Christianity EtcRe: As An Atheist When Last Did You Have A Nightmare by Vic2Ree(m): 12:15pm On Feb 19, 2019
Emmanystone:
You know my curiosity? How does it feel like to live without Hope?
It must be stiflling.
And how does it feel to be a useless zombie through religion?
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 12:01pm On Feb 19, 2019
JJOF:
No mind dem, na their way of life b dat, last last CM go con shock dem reach $1bn 4 box office.
E go be like film my brother cheesy cheesy
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 2:43pm On Feb 14, 2019
MJBOLT:
if it wins,another victory for marvel
Amen, bro smiley
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 2:38pm On Feb 14, 2019
Raalsalghul:
I have a job for you. cool
postdigger:
Am a marvel fan sorry

grin
Choi!!!
cc. MJBOLT, Shittaakeem, IamSabrina, hulk616 cheesy
Come and see rejection!!! grin grin grin

TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 10:21am On Feb 14, 2019
MJBOLT:
a lot of people are expecting spiderverse to take home the oscar,TI2 is not as critically acclaimed as spiderverse
IAmSabrina:
There have been years where a non-Disney film has won animation oscars. I'm pretty confident in spiderverse especially after all the accolades it has been getting.
Hmmm
We'll see if Disney bias rears its ugly head again. I really want Spider-Verse to win.
Then again Spider-Verse didn't get snubbed completely like The Lego Movie so that's a good sign perhaps?
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 10:35am On Feb 11, 2019
Lets see what goes down at the oscars. Fingers crossed that Spider-Verse beats The Incredibles. I know Spider-Verse has gathered the most critic awards when it comes to 2018 animation, but Oscars are very biased towards Disney animation.
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 1:58am On Feb 11, 2019
TheKingIsHere:
It seems that rextizz and jujusugar has been banned. I will miss them, although the fight didn't last long.

But they made this boring thread a little lively.
True that, bro. But JujuSugar was frying his ass tho grin grin grin
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 8:41am On Feb 10, 2019
Rextizz:
Pussy nigga, I've warned you severally, don't fvcking quote me again.
grin grin grin grin
TV/MoviesRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Vic2Ree(m): 8:35am On Feb 10, 2019
LoL.
Cc. MJBOLT, Shittaakeem
Abeg who be this guy? grin grin
Rextizz:
You are a fool, don't ever quote me in your miserable life, I don't argue with pussy niggas.
Oya quote don happen.
Only pussy niggas argue with girls, bro. Like I said, get a life. Don't face me, face the people yabbing ur life grin

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