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Enyimba! Nzogbu Nzogbu!

Mazi noblezone, it's been a long time. Good to have you back.

Ndiigbo are truly everywhere in the World.

Lol!

Europe, Asia and Africa make up the old world. North and South America make up the New world.

The Caucasians are not natives/ indigenous to North and South America, they are migrants there.

It's a hallmark of Ignorance to compare Nigeria( a part of the old world) to USA( a new world with migrant Caucasians as majority).

Nigeria is unstable, it's an aberration that will never work, simply because there is no basis for unity amongst the component groups, and there are no dominant group/ culture/ ideology to unite the people.

Its like uniting Germany, France and Britain under same country. Such union will never be fruitful.

China is a great nation today because it has a basis for unity. The Han Chinese constitute about 80% of the Chinese population, and provides the rest of the groups in China a rallying point, stability and unified political ideology, that have seen China stand out.

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For all intent and purposes, SE is but a part of Igboland. Igboland is bigger than south East.

With Obuaku, SE is not and have never been landlocked. This I understand is a bitter pill for enemies of Ndiigbo to swallow.

Emmatok is but another Yoruba man embittered by any good news coming out of Igboland.

Even after Ngwakwe schooled him here :https://www.nairaland.com/1568347/hmm-abia-state-set-build/1 by showing him a Canadian port, Montreal port, that is farther inland than Obuaku will be, but that still served as a viable seaport, the Yoruba bitter Man cannot just swallow his bitterness and let Biafrans be.

Oliseh is obviously a confused Man who knows little about his ethnic group.

This topic came up in an Ukwuani Facebook page, the people were surprised that Oliseh would say that he is from Abavo, when Abavo which is in Ika is actually his maternal home town.

His paternal hometown is Ebedei in Ukwuani, Ukwuani people expected Oliseh to say that he is not an Igbo, but an Ukwuani,but obviously Oliseh grew up in his maternal home town of Abavo and couldn't relate to Ebedei Ukwuani.

Why discuss with a non Igbo that doesn't understand Igbo language or history about Igbo? Won't that be a waste of time?

As a matter of fact, the only thing that unites the entire artificial creation called SS are Igbo speaking people.

Through their Ndoki-Igbo speaking Neighbors, the Ogoni's can connect traditionally to the Edo via Igbanke( Ika) Efik, via Arochukwu, Isoko/ Uhrobo via Ukwuani, Ekoi via Ehugbo.

There is no SS homogeneity without Igbo speaking groups.

So, how dare you talk of SS without mentioning Ndiigbo?

Look at the Opobo, that cap they wear there is the same they wear in Ohafia, Arochukwu and Annang.

Sweetlemon:
And I can see how much similarities Cross River has with Enugu. I can really see it.

Well, if you are not blind, you can see how much similarity Cross River share with Ndiigbo.

The Efiks and Arochukwu, the Ekoi and Afikpo, etc.
Those are shared culture like( Ekpo, Nsibidi) traditions( twin killing), boundaries, people( the Akpa are an ancient Cross River group that got assimilated into the Cross river Igbo group willingly), inter marriages, trades, etc.

Things that continue even unto this day, that neither Itsekiri,Urhobo, Edo Isoko, etc can ever share with Cross Rivers.

Through the Ehugbo, Izzi and Arochukwu Igbos, Cross river is historically and presently connected to Igbos in everywhere part of Igboland, including Enugu Igbos and Igbos as far away as Igbankes in Edo state.

It's only through Igbanke in Edo, can Bini actually connect to Cross Rivers state historically, culturally, traditionally and otherwise.

Afam4eva:
She was trying to state areas where there are similarities. We all know the SS are not heterogenous but there are definitely areas that they are similar. If you out the SE in the mix, it will still gel. So, I don't know what the issue is.

No, it wont gel. Cross Rivers simply has nothing in common with Edo state, other than the fact that they are both members of the black race. The common uniting factor of ND which was crude oil, is now even absent in Cross Rivers.

Nothing! No pre colonial history, no colonial history, no shared culture, no shared language, no shared dressing style that is not obtainable everywhere else in Nigeria, no shared food styles, nothing!

The purpose of the thread was to show the homogeneity of SS, if you can't see that, then sorry for you.

As long as we still have a huge chunk of Igboland trapped in SS, any attempt to show that those Igbo parts have more similarity to groups in SS than the Igbos in SE, will always be opposed furiously by well meaning Igbos.

That's my point.

Afam4eva:
You are the one that is cobfused here. No one has said that the SS is a heterogenous region buy you have taken it upon yourself to pick fights where there is none. With the way you're going, if I was from those Igbo areas in the SS, I wouldn't want to have anything to d do with your kind. Youre a disgrace.

The OP was trying to paint a homogeneous picture of the SS. Trying to link Two completely unrelated states like Edo and Cross River.

It's only right that she be cut to size.

patrick89:
Perfect! I will champion it! they will cry foul as usual..

Odi ezigbo mkpa, that we start taking the media propaganda and image battery against Ndiigbo emanating from the SW serious, we can no longer ignore them like our fore runners did in the 60's, only to wake up one morning to find out that the entire country was drunk on the wine of Igbophobia the Odua media propaganda had been constantly dishing out.

Scholes0 thread was targeted at battering Igbo image, through deliberate cherry picking of facts.
Ikechuku thread just exposed his treachery, and it's paramount that all those who drank of Scholes0 Igbophobic thread be cured with this Ikechuku anti dote.

This thread should be on the FP as an anti dote to the Igbophobic thread https://www.nairaland.com/2521578/nigerian-states-what-produce created by Scholes0 that made the front page.

Justice and Equity demands this.

cc: lalasticlala, Ishilove, Seun.

All Igbo sons and daughters must take this business of debunking Odua false propaganda against Ndiigbo serious, it could be the difference between our life or death. With a better media management of the Nzeogwu coup, and the anti Igbo sentiments going around before that coup from the Odua as represented by Akintola rants, the Igbo massacre and the War could have been avoided.

The business of debunking the Odua lies and preventing them from poisoning the mind of other gullible Nigerians against Ndiigbo, is a life and death business, and can never be over emphasized.

ikechu1278:
A little of history I read while doing this research. something that caught my interest and I feel needed to be shown (sidenote: yes it is another debunking myth)



In other words it was agriculture, Coal, Tin, Columbite and Gold was what sustained the country prior to the discovery of Oil meaning North, south south and south east were the regions that sustained the country before everything fell on south south's shoulder
http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/sectorstat/sectors/Minning%20and%20Quarrying%20%28Solid%20Minerals%29

I don't know about anyone else but I found that intriguing.

This is impressive, especially when placed side to side with the below:
Paul Anber's essay "Modernization
and Political Disintegration: Nigeria
and the Ibos" published in the
journal of Modern African Studies
vol. 5, No 2 (Sep, 1967) 163-179.
See pp 171-172 for excerpt:
'' A system of Universal primary
education was introduced in Eastern
Nigeria in 1953, though the mission
schools had already prospered in
the Region long before then.
Despite the fact that there was a
requirement for limited contributory
fees, education continued to be very
much in demand. Even at the time
when universal primary education
was first introduced, the percentage
of the population over seven years
of age who were literate was higher
in the East than in any other
Region: East, 10.6 per cent; West
9.5 percent; North, 0.9 percent.
Since 1959, the East has had more
teachers and pupils than any other
area of the country, with the
heaviest emphasis on primary
education. Figures for elementary
and secondary education indicate
that the approximate ratio of
teachers to population in 1963 was
1 to every 1,500 in the East, 1 to
every 2,500 in th West, and 1 for
every 10,000 in the north. Other
statistical data reveal how rapidly
the standard of living rose among
Ibos. The East had the most
extensive hospital facilities in the
country by 1965, the largest
regional production of electricity in
the country by 1954, and the
greatest number of vehicle
registrations by 1963. The economic
orientation of the Ibos was also
reflected through membership of
credit associations:in 1963 the East
had 68,220 individual members, the
west 5,776, and the north a mere
2,407 ." ''... His source was the
Annual Abstract of Statistics
( Federal Office of Statistics, Lagos,
1965)
"

Ikechuku, you are a blessing to Ndiigbo, simply God's power to Ndiigbo.

This is good. Ikechuku, you are the son of your father.
Odua must wake up to the reality that this is the internet age. The years when their media propaganda against Ndiigbo were left unchallenged are gone.
All their lies must be stripped of all veneer of pseudo truth and exposed as lies.

I don't exactly understand what this thread is supposed to prove.

Agriculture is not as lucrative as education or trading, atleast currently,an Igbo man doesn't play lose game, if agriculture becomes lucrative, be sure. Ndiigbo will be the leaders there too. We make our money and buy whatever food we need from the farmers, you don't sell it free to us, infact as a matter of us, you need us( buyers) more than we need you( sellers). In Biafra, we can always import the food we need from Cameroon, Gabon, etc. Or we can decide to grow them.

Odua-Arewa farmers will have to compete with Cameroun, Gabon and Equatorial farmers for our food market.

Having said that, Igboland still produce most of our staple crops on our own. Cassava, Palm oil, Yam, pepper( Ose Nsukka), ingredients for Igbo soups,etc. I am yet to hear of any single food consumed in the East that is being imported from Yorubaland.

Things we import from the North mostly are Yams, to complement Ogbaru yams that are seasonal( I bet a Biafran government can make production from Ogbaru all year round), tomatoes( which again can be grown in the East, we use to grow tomatoes in our farm those days), onions and beans.
We don't import anything from Yorubaland.

ezeagu:
I know why in Nigeria we like state, but I honestly believe in Nigeria as a whole we have too many state, the Imo and Abia for example should be one state, same from Akwa Ibom and Cross River, and Enugu and Anambra or Enugu and Ebony. Why I'm saying this is because when there are more people or a group of people it's been proven that people feel less accountable for anything that goes wrong, if we had less LGA's less states and the like we would have less people to hold accountable and they'd be put under a little more pressure. Also, for example, if there was a really good governor they would be elected to look over a larger area than they can today.

You see, Agbachakwa egwu, ona n'ukwu.

There is something fundamentally wrong with Nigeria. And this is why it will never be a great country. Nigeria needs restructuring, but to do that, you will strike at the very thing that made some people yearn for "One Nigeria".

The demand for more states and the reason we have many states is because of lack of fiscal federalism, the amount of state you have determines the amount of Senators, LGAs, house of rep members you have, it also determines how much you get from the FG monthly and appointments into civil service, ministers, Ambassadors even things like NDA admission, siting of federal institutions like Universities / University teaching hospitals, and FMCs.

If every region is allowed to manage her resources on her own, no monthly "bambilala" to Abuja, equal representation at the national assembly, etc.
People will see more reason to unite and save the cost of governance, but with the way Nigeria is structured, it will be stupidity to merge states in your region, you will lose out.

The major issue we currently have in the East is the dearth of credible and Informed leaders with foresight,leaders that burn with desire to uplift the socioeconomic condition of the region.

Its obvious these leaders abound within us. The problem is, how do we identify and elect them to bring about this transformation we seek.

Behind every great country are great leaders who burned with desires to will that which was in imagination, into reality.

Without this, nothing can be achieved, we will only end up exactly where we started.

ezeagu:
If we could do both, why not? A jula ego. Asaba - Frankfurt case study coming.

Sure we can always spread our tentacles East, West, North and South.

But I expect a very competitive Odua, having a geographical advantage over us, in terms of the western expansion.

We have a geographical advantage towards central Africa. It would be more profitable to work towards our comparative advantage.

aguiyi:
^^^i knew you were one of the saboteurs . so second Niger bridge is not important or is less importatnt, you are really crazy for making that comment

All second Niger bridge will do is to increase our people's dependence on Lagos ports and the attendant industries ports attract,leaving our region drained of industries and the employment opportunities that comes with them.

One Niger bridge is enough to connect the western Igboland to the Eastern Igboland, for now, that should be the main function of Niger bridge.

The money to be spent on second Niger bridge is better spent building a sea port in the East, I prefer Obuaku port for obvious reasons, but I will have no problem if it is spent on Ibaka.

An Eastern port will see a major industrial and commercial re distribution and a population re distribution towards the East, which will in turn reduce the traffic in the Niger bridge.

We should be expanding towards Central and East Africa, that's our traditional route, not towards West Africa.

sukkot:
if those 4 guys were from that other tribe you would have seen plenty chest beating. shows the humility of yorubas and civility of yorubas on this forum.

But you are already chestbeating! Albeit indirectly/ subtly. *grins.

Nothing wrong with being proud of the achievements of members of your group.
The lads have done well, they are worthy representatives of Odua.

In Odua country, they will do better, and in the process forcing Biafrans to catch up and better them, the competition will in the End better both countries.
USSR kept US on her toes for a very long time, forcing her to keep up with the technological development of the Russians.

pazienza:
It's a good result, and it's good a thing it made front page. See it as a form of motivation for the boy and other young WAEC aspirants in NL to take their studied more serious.

* Studies

revolt:
Hope he wrote it himself? After dese days ppl score 350 in jamb.. Tis funny cos I nvr knew jamb was more than 300. 260 then would earn you a national award bt these days 300 above is average

Lol! You have not been updated since you passed JAMB. I don't think people score high in JAMB again these days, last year's JAMB was the worst.

A relation scored 244 in JAMB last year and still managed to secure merit admission in Medicine at Unizik after scoring 328 in Post Ume.

I was just laughing, in those days, a 250 score in JAMB means you stand no choice to bag merit in Medicine at Unizik, but now, they can afford to score poorly in JAMB and make it up with Post UME. It's crazy.

Radoillo:
With the exception of Nzam, the other towns do not have oral traditions that they found Igbos there. That is why I was trying to tell Vicenzo. If there are traditions that the Igala people in Odekpe, Igbokenyi, Odeh, etc, found Igbos there when they came, good and fine. But if there are no traditions aren't you only just speculating? Is there any reason to think that Igalas could not have got there first? Bear in mind that the Olumbanasaa area is not far from Ibaji-Igala in Kogi State.

What some people don't know is that the names of some of the villages in Olumbanasaa mirror the names you will find in Ibaji area of Kogi...indicating that they were most probably founded from scratch by Igala people. I'm only saying Look at the facts on ground. It doesn't help anyone if we just assume offhand that these were Igbo towns that became 'Igalanized'.

Why will they admit to meeting Igbos there? What purpose will it serve them, especially now that they are the majority and have full control of the town, you want them to accept they are migrants?

Are you for real? Of course in the absence of written history, and their dominance in those areas, the Igalas are always going to project a history of meeting the land empty.
Same would have happened to Nzam, if we don't have an overwhelming Igbo presence there. That's the nature of humans.

I would do the same, if I were in their shoes.

otokx:
Mourinho is a tout, see how he threw away the medal.

He gave it to a fan, who was grateful. That's really generous and cool of him.

otokx:
Mourinho is a tout, see how he threw away the medal.

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So girlish of Wenger, snubbing Mourinho like that.

Looks like the kind of things secondary school girls will do, not a grandfather like Wenger.

Nobody is denying the presence of Igalas in Anambra.
What we are merely establishing is how they came to be there, ie the invasion of Northern tips of Igboland by Igala speaking people from present day Kogi state, in not so distant past, and the change in population demographics of those parts of Igboland caused by that invasion.

I am well aware of the presence of Igalas who are now indigenous to those parts of Igboland.