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bigfrancis21:
Paste the link to your pazienza profile so that I could see what's going on.

Oh, the spam bot released me yesterday, but by then, I had gotten used to this particular handle.

I will soon revert to my pazienza handle, let me flex this one small.
Thanks for your concern.

Antivirus92:
ooo...pazienza nwa nnaa. kedu way idennaa

Nnaa, Anom ya. Dalu.

bigfrancis21:
Moreover, since the op readily agrees that Igala people crossed the River Niger to settle in the Northern fringes of Anambra state, why then do we hear claims of 'Igala' towns in Anambra state? Those towns and lands belong not to Igala but Igbo. In my research done about these supposedly 'Igala' towns, the king names have all been Igbo, the names of residents interviewed or spoken to have always been Igbo. One begins to wonder differently.

In my opinion, if the Igalas in those villages, living among the Igbo natives, suddenly decide to care so much about their ancestry what they should do return to Kogi where their ancestors came from.

This is exactly the point I was trying to pass across, albeit subtly. It's all about land ownership and claim.

The Igalas know where they came from, and they sure met aboriginal Igbos in Olumbanasa.

Antivirus92:
did u really research well before arguing with that guy?. The way he narrated everything is enough to show u that he know much about those people and probably from there. Did u bother arguing with the op on his claims of igala communities even when he included nzam an Igbo town in it. u don't want people to see u as being ethnocentric. But u can argue with ur fellow igboman. sometimes u have to stand up and defend ur belongings not minding what people may say. daalu

Thanks. I am not Igala. My other handle is pazienza. Spam bot got me, so I resurrected this old handle of mine.

Radoillo:
Its funny that you want links when you did not provide any to back up your claims that the Olumbanasaa towns were originally Igbo before the Igala gained a foothold there.

Concerning the term 'Olu', I think I've said all that needs to be said on that. It bears no repeating.

What other link do you want for Olumbanasaa. The name is in itself self explanatory, the onus is on you to prove that the name was not the original name of the place, but was given to it by Igbo outsiders.

Well, concerning Olu, your points made no sense!
Your argument is : Because at some point in history, the Ijaws that were further south sailed up to join the already established Olus, and the Igala sailed down to join them, there fore, Olu is no longer Igbo, but an amalgam of Igbos and non Igbos.

My argument remains that Olu was originally Igbo speaking, and despite heavy migration of non Igbo speaking groups to Olu towns, the original Igbo aboriginal vestiges still remains.

ibotjaycob:
“There are a number who believe that neither Gowon nor Ojukwu was the right leader for that desperate time, because they were blinded by ego, hindered by a lack of administrative experience, and obsessed with interpersonal competitions and petty rivalries. As a consequence, according to this school of thought, these two men failed to make appropriate and wise decisions throughout the conflict and missed several opportunities when compromise could have saved the day.”

Excerpts from There was a country by chinua achebe

And where exactly did Achebe tell you that he belonged to that school of thought? Did you do comprehension at school at all?

Radoillo:
Your understanding of the terms 'Olu' and 'Igbo', especially in a precolonial context, shows a very common mistake that Igbo people make today.

First, 'Olu' or 'Oru' has never been a term specific to riverain Igbo-speaking people. It was applied to fishing and canoe-paddling Igala, Igbo and Ijaw groups who live on the Niger or its tributaries. In fact, the first time the word appeared in literature, it referred to western Ijaw groups. Some northerly Igbo groups also understand 'Olu' to mean their fishing riverain Igala neighbours.

So to suggest that the 'Olu' in 'Olumbanasaa' means that the people were Igbo before they became Igala is a mistake. 'Olumbanasaa' is a collective name that their Igbo neighbours gave these Igala villages. No one has ever doubted that these seven villages are Igala. If you want to raise objections about Nzam (which is not one of the Olumbanasaa villages), then I hear you, brother.

Concerning Igbokenyi, do you realise that 'Igbo' has a meaning or meanings in the Yoruboid language family to which the Igala belongs? A meaning that has nothing to do with the present-day Igbo ethnic group? Why hastily jump to the conclusion that the 'Igbo' there must refer to an aboriginal ethnic Igbo population that preceded the Igala, when you probably don't know what 'Igbokenyi' means to the Igala-speakers of the place?

Where exactly did you get the idea that Olumbanasa was given to those communities by Igbo outsiders and not the Igbo natives? Do you have any link to back this your arrogant claim up?

Are you aware that Igbokenyi has an Igwe as the paramount traditional ruler? His name is Igwe Osuji.

Olu means Igbo riverine communities, yea, over the years Igala migrants travelled down to join them and even Ijaws and other non Igbo groups came upwards and joined at the River Niger banks, but Olu remains Igbo.


Nzam remains Igbo today because at certain point in history after the Igala invasion, there was a re migration of Igbos from Igbo hinterlands back to Nzam, diluting the heavy Igala presence the more. Allowing the native Igbos to have more dominance. If not, we will be here debating whether Nzam is Igbo or not, as you can see, the Igala man here had already listed Nzam as an Igala town, while totally ignoring General Ajida invasion of Nzam.

Because of the Isolated nature of the Olumbanasaa, such 're migration of the Igbo never took place there, and the Igalas took more foothold.

PPAngel:
Rubber, Timber, Fisheries, Palm Oil & kernels including their precious cocoa where harvested abundantly in what is present day Delta State.

Oil Palm was once a very valuable commodity as it was used as lighting oil that illuminated Castles and Homes in Europe, Americas and the Caribean.

The advent of electricity saw prices collapse.

Outside cocoa the SW had nothing to offer.

The only reason the British relocated from Calabar to Lagos was because of German Kameroun, the abolution of slave trade and the fall in prices of palm oil.

Relocating the colonial headquarters was necessitated to promote trade along the western coast with French colonies and Lagos was strategically and geographically easier to get into northern Nigeria unlike Calabar port which had to contend with thick mangrove forests and the mamilla high grounds to the north.

The Bourdillion 1939 division of the country into three regions was a curious one. Somehow the Midwest was separated from the original Southern protectorate ie the present day SS/SE, and attached to the alien Lagos colony ie current SW to create Western region.

I believe this was done because the SW cocoa was never going to be enough to keep the Western region financially stable. They needed the wealth of the Mid west.

This parasitism didn't start today,

The Yorubas have been at the forefront of media propaganda over a century now.
They have through their control of the media propagated and repeated well packaged lies over the decades, that we got used to those lies and started accepting them as the truth.

The sad truth for Yorubas is that the internet age is here, and none of their lies will be spared.

That reminds me, was cocoa the major foreign exchange earner for the defunct Western region or was it the timbre, palm oil and rubber of the Mid west. Dede1 once raised this point in the past, and I think it's a topic worth exploring.

Well.
"One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore".~ Andre Gide

Sweet thread. NL needs more of this type of thread.

PS: Lalasticlala , Seun , Ishilove ,


This is a front page worthy thread. You lots should do the needful. Let's get more contributors.

The identity crisis going on in those communities can indeed have a historical background.

The descendants of Igala invaders from Kogi will naturally have a greater attachment to Igalla and Kogi and will reaffirm their Igala identity more, those aborigines who were Igbos but are now minorities in their land to the majority Igala invaders, will be more drawn to Igbo, those with mixed ancestry will be divided between Igbo and Igalla.

Even those with Igbo ancestry have so much been mixed with Igalas that most of them now bear Igala surnames and can't even remember their genealogy.

That's my hypothesis.

The seven Igala communities are Ode, Igbedor,
Odekpe, Alla, Onugwa, Odomagwu and Igbokaenyi
and they are called Olumbanasaa and located at
Anambra West Local Government area of Anambra
state.
The Olumbanasa is an island, surrounded by the
River Niger and can only be accessed through
water. The community has a population of less
than 2000 people. People hardly visit them and
their sons and daughters who are resident outside.

http://www.odogwublog.com/2015/05/igbokaenyi-forgotten-tribe-of-anambra.html?m=1

The whole 7 community is called " Olumbanasa", an obvious Igbo words. Perhaps the name the original Igbo aborigines gave themselves before the Igala invasion. Olumbanasa literally means "Olu of seven nations/ towns" in Igbo language.

The Olu were the ancient branch of the Igbo race that lived close to water bodies. The Igbos that lived on the land were Igbos proper, and those that lived close to water bodies were the Olu( in Anambra areas) or Oru( in Imo/ Abia areas)

That's where you get the phrase " Olu na Igbo", which figuratively means "everybody". The Olu and Igbo were part of a whole, none was complete without the other.


Don't even get me started on the name " Igbokaenyi" of one of the towns.
Igbos were no empire builders, the only reason why that town bears an Igbo name is because, the original occupants who were clearly Igbo, gave it that name before the Igala invasion.

There is an obvious misrepresentation of facts in this Igala presence in Anambra.

We know that at a point in history, the Igala kingdom invaded the Northern tips of Igboland and changed the demographics of those parts of Igboland, the Igbos in those parts of Igboland had to start sharing their communities with the New Igala invaders. This process was taking place in Northern Nsukka and Anambra areas before the Caucasians arrived.

Those lands Anambra Igalas are claiming today might not necessarily be Igala lands, and the Igbo aborigines of those towns are still there, only that in some of those towns, they have been totally outnumbered by the Igala invaders, so much that the whole town now appear to be Igala. But a little digging through those apparently Igala towns will show vestiges of the earlier Igbo aborigines.

Nzam is the territory of the ethnic Igbos
of Omambala but the Igala speaking
minority of Nzam were the descendants of
General Ajida, a notable warrior of Idah
origin who invaded the town. Ajida is the
father of field marshal Ogbe who was
married to Iyida.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nzam


Good a thing Nzam is in Anambra, if it were in Delta, some of you vocal Igala minorities there would be here telling us how Nzam is an Igala town that was influenced by Ndiigbo, when the reverse is actually the case.

Nzam is an Igbo town, influenced by Igala invaders.

Nzam is not part of your Igala stuff. Igala people should stop that nonsense already. You didn't meet Nzam empty, there were already aboriginal Igbo speaking groups in Nzam before Igala invasion from Kogi.

Nzam had to assimilate lots of Igalas, but that doesn't make Nzam Igala, as long as Igbos are still there.

This is good. The Boko sharia Islamic republic of Arewa-Oduanistan is going to be great with leaders like Awo who was an ex convinct, and Buhari who was a tyrant.

Flyoruboy:
Yidi yidi yada. Na so Ojukwu brag to the international media that he would obliterate Nigeria, when in actual fact he had no weapons to fight his foe. All your mouthing na wash, nothing new there. We will take care of business as usual when that time comes. America didn't supply Nigeria with the weapons she used to trounce Biafra the last time, so that's not a big deal. You should be worried more about your stvpid Kanu and yourselves instead. No be today Una begin make mouth.

British supplied Nigeria with unlimited weapons and military logistics in 1960's. Keeping Nigeria United was part of their national interest then, they forced USSR and US to stand down.

Hmm, this is 2015, Nigeria is trotting the whole globe with plates begging for weapons against BH, Britain don't give a rat about you lots again, perhaps keeping Nigeria United is nolonger part of their national interest.


Remove the foreign weapons which you are now starved of, and all we have is Nigerians with no clue of how to locally manufacture weapons vs Igbos the Kings of crude and indigenous weapon manufacturing.

I tell you, we will install an Eze in Lagos, Ife and Sokoto in a matter of months.

Ralphlauren:
Who made you the mouth piece of the Ijaws

They've asked you several times not to drag them into your madness

Last I checked, it's just the Ibos screaming biafra. The ijaws are busy in the creeks with their oil and fishes

You would only be surprised by the synergy currently going on in the SS/SE region. Keep allowing your innate parasitism to be pushing you.

Delta state just finished electing an Igbo speaking governor, the last time this happened was in 1960's when Dennis Osadebey held sway in the Mid west.

Better be comfortable in your Boko controlled Islamic Sharia republic of Arewa-Oduanistan.

ONLY PARASITES FORCE CO- EXISTENCE!

Flyoruboy:
Abeg make we hear word Jo. In the event of another war (God forbid), it will be fought on SE soil again so what are you talking about? You are the landlocked ones who are encircled on all sides by Nigeria territory. Nigeria has done it before so it will be a piece of cake. Una fit make mouth die!

Does Nigeria manufacture weapons? Or will you still go around the world with plates to beg for weapons like Buhari is currently doing?

In this modern world, how far can you get away from war atrocities?

If your parasitism ever brings you to Biafra again Your children will burn!

Better stay in your Odua-Arewa Islamic country and pay homage to your Gambari future overlords than attract death to your region. Many Biafrans are itching for revenge on you lots.

ONLY PARASITES FORCE PEACEFUL CO-EXISTENCE

Flyoruboy:
Abeg make we hear word Jo. In the event of another war (God forbid), it will be fought on SE soil again so what are you talking about? You are the landlocked ones who are encircled on all sides by Nigeria territory. Nigeria has done it before so it will be a piece of cake. Una fit make mouth die!

Does Nigeria manufacture weapons? Or will you still go around the world with plates to beg for weapons like Buhari is currently doing?

In this modern world, how far can you get away from war atrocities?

If your parasitism ever brings you to Biafra again Your children will burn!

ONLY PARASITES FORCE CO-EXISTENCE

PPAngel:
We know you slaves will never let go of Nigeria but let me assure that the only place you will see war is in the north and your region.

Not a single shot will announce the seccesion of Niger Delta and Biafra.

Get ready for your revamped jihad.

A Boko haram Islamic Sharia republic of Arewa-Oduanistan awaits Yorubas.

The way they are exhausting their energy trying to keep Biafra in their fruitless union rather than start working on how to pull away from the imminent Arewa-Odua country that will remain following Biafra freedom is really pathetic. I can only pity them.

Ralphlauren:
The feeling is mutual

However, you are delusional if you think they will allow you lot have any control over them. You lot are too stupiid to realise you are being used.

If ever you achieve your biafra dream, you have the ijaws to contend with. I repeat the ijaws will rather than their own country than be yoked with you lot

Nothing wrong with Ijaws having their own country. As long as we both work together to leave Nigeria.

Ralphlauren:


Revenge where?

On yoruba or arewa soil

Concentrate your energy on the south south. If you think they will allow you lot have any control or governance over them or their oil, you lot are in for a big shock

And they will allow Arewa-Odua to continue to control them? For peeps like Danjuma to continue forming strong and wise man on top their crude oil wealth?

Do you even know that we have Igbo groups in SS?

The most deciding factor in Biafra 1.0 was lack of foreign weapons, while the British stuffed Nigerians with w
foreign weapons. Once the Foreign weapon equation is balanced, Nigeria is a gonner.

ECOTERRORS:
They want to secede peacefully.

No parasites leaves it's host peacefully. Anybody that believes in peaceful secession from Nigeria is naive and lacking in historical knowledge of the Nigerian entity.

There can NEVER be peaceful secession from Nigeria, infact, the mere mention of Biafra elicits. desire for war and taste for Biafrans blood in them, and you are here talking about peaceful secession.

Be real.

Ralphlauren:
With all these sad pictures, yet some f00ls are still canvassing for a Biafra war remix or Biafra war Version 2.0.

A$$wipes!

With all these pics, you should be scared of what Biafrans will do to your region if you attempt to bring your parasitism to Biafra again, should we decide to secede, many of us want revenge, never underestimate a vengeful mind.

We won't pity your kids, like Awo never pitied ours. Better go prepare and hug your Odua- Arewa country, you won't have unlimited access to weapons this time around.

Joy Ogwu, use all the Ogwu( charms) at your disposal to help us push through our Biafran agenda, don't forget where you are from.

Anioma people had always played a prominent role in Igbo nationalism, Zik, Nzeogwu, Ifeajuna were all Anioma people. Perhaps another Anioma
woman can leave her print permanently on Igbo history, positively.

Providence placed you at the UN at this particular point in Igbo history for a reason.

It would appear she is from Anioma part of Igboland. Choi! Anioma kwenu! Igbo kwezuonu!

Igbo women doing us proud!

chuna1985:
Yoruba na labour party, ACN, etc. They were mostly not pdp. So they obviously can't get senate pres, deputy senate p, and house of reps leadership.

Mulikat Akande was presented by GEJ for speaker position. Tinubu fearing the rise of another political giant, kicked against Mulikat, rallied his Yoruba troops and sided with Tambuwal.

Mind you that the highest political post Ndiigbo held in GEJ era was Deputy Senate president.

So, how exactly were the Yorubas schemed out of the top 6 position?