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Christianity Etc › Re: The Skeptic's Guide To Tongues And Prophecy by vooks(op): 4:22am On Sep 14, 2015
unphilaz:
Thanks will direct as much as i can to it and let "The kingdom of God is at a hand" reverberate
Welcome and stay blessed
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is TB Joshua Hiding In Mexico? by vooks(op): 10:22pm On Sep 13, 2015
How come nobody caught an apparition of TB Joshua today?

4 months missing

#BringBackTBJoshua
Christianity Etc › Re: Prayer: The New Testament Way by vooks: 4:00pm On Sep 13, 2015
Did Oyaks pray for his marriage?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z3oKe_KZlg

In this clip he clearly suggests he as a man of God would never seek divorce because God hates divorce. But they are now separated and probably divorced.

Methinks Oyaks does not know how to pray the 'New Testament way' OR God ordained the strained relationship for him.

But there is another option; Oyaks is still praying for his marriage so we should not test his theory yet.

This is a self-fulfilling prophecy; whatever you won't receive in prayer, you will explain it away as 'work in progress' or praying the wrong way, while whatever you will receive, you will claim you received because of praying the 'new Testament way'.

You can never go wrong with this garbage.

Cc MuttleyLaff
Christianity Etc › Re: The Skeptic's Guide To Tongues And Prophecy by vooks(op): 6:10am On Sep 13, 2015
unphilaz:
today i went to check the above link and this is what i saw... have the taken the book offline? but i thank God i did have it before this error page
Hello there
I have uploaded the book to GoogleDrive
Here is the link;
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxrT0F-mwJf1NWdGelk3enMzZ2M
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 7:28pm On Sep 12, 2015
Goshen360:
You've made a very simple valid biblical point in the word of God and that's simple. If anyone has contrary opinion or tradition, we, the church of God doesn't have such practice. Anyone who cannot understand the above statement should go back to the word and find out if this is true or false. Thank you!
God bless you Goshen360,
If you attend a church that flagrantly flouts Holy Spirit operational manual for His gifts, the best way is to repent and stop, not to defend your errors with fickle arguments. It is to God we stand or fall not out General Overseer
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 3:48pm On Sep 12, 2015
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 1:05pm On Sep 12, 2015
sportsmaster:
@vooks, anyone who stops speaking in tongues is only walking in unbelief.
Agreed. Unless they never had the real deal in the first place.

The author never stopped speaking in tongues, he critiques the Tongues Movement exposing some serious errors. Please give it a read.

Thank you
Christianity Etc › TB Joshua Mourns Victims Sacrificed On The Altar Of His Greed by vooks(op): 12:59pm On Sep 12, 2015

Christianity Etc › Re: Bad Omen: Crane Collapses In The 'holiest' Mosque In Mecca by vooks(op): 11:30am On Sep 12, 2015
kilokeys:
Thats not my question to answer... I am Christian.. And we r the church, not d structures.

I am just empathizing.
That Islam's 'holiest' places routinely double as altars for human sacrifices is interesting to say the least
Christianity Etc › Re: Bad Omen: Crane Collapses In The 'holiest' Mosque In Mecca by vooks(op): 8:51am On Sep 12, 2015
kilokeys:
Our God is a God of competence, he is a chief architect, he designed the universe... The accident was human error not God's
Why is this mosque called holy,holiest?
Christianity Etc › Re: 6 Days To The Appearance Of Jesus Christ (13th September 2015) by vooks: 7:46am On Sep 12, 2015
Imagine a Negro who has a phobia for thinking
Christianity Etc › Re: Bad Omen: Crane Collapses In The 'holiest' Mosque In Mecca by vooks(op): 1:50am On Sep 12, 2015
allgoodlight:
Am just so scared my beloved landlord is there RIG to the dead.
Call him and find out
Christianity Etc › Re: Bad Omen: Crane Collapses In The 'holiest' Mosque In Mecca by vooks(op): 1:50am On Sep 12, 2015
easydone:
OP, You deserve every abuse you get with this!!! I am a Christian but will never start a topic on this issue with "Bad Omen"!!! Lets be humane. People are dead tonight, families are mourning. The fact you have access to internet via a whatever phone gives you no right to demean or ridicule those who lost their lives tonight.

May the souls of the departed find rest.
Hw have I demeaned the dead?
Christianity Etc › Re: Bad Omen: Crane Collapses In The 'holiest' Mosque In Mecca by vooks(op): 1:49am On Sep 12, 2015
tartar9:
you are a useless fool!
Who?
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 1:44am On Sep 12, 2015
shyna01:
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you seem neither hot nor cold, a previous poster made some statements based on scriptures which you discarded. what are the basis of your faith/Christianity?
Scriptures
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 6:42pm On Sep 11, 2015
Jeromejnr:
So you don't understand that scripture but yet assume what it doesn't mean.
Am saying I may not understand fully Romans 8:26 but that don't mean I will latch onto any interpretation of the same. I can outrightly rule out some

You see why I said you can't understand something if you don't experience it.
Sounds logical except Christianity is a walk and life of faith not sight. Have you been to heaven? Have you met Jesus yet? Must we meet Jesus to 'understand' Christianity?

Vooks leave me alone o. If you like don't speak in tongues its your own salvation. Everybody has his own.
Am sorry I offended you sir. Thank you for your time , much appreciated that you took your time and shared your faith sir. May the Lord increase you and in you.
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 6:25pm On Sep 11, 2015
Jeromejnr:
Are you sure you speak In the genuine tongues at all?
It is pointless getting carnal over spiritual matters. Why the personal jabs?

If you do, how come you don't know what groaning is? Have you heard of groaning in the Spirit Im intercession before?
Romans says they are UNUTTERABLE. an uttered groan is by definition the opposite of UNUTTERABLE

Why don't you explain that scripture for us let's understand it better.
I don't claim to understand all scriptures but I lack anything linking Romans to tongues and I find abundant evidence that it can't be tongues for the reasons I have shared above namely; the groans are unutterable while tongues are utterable.

Study Romans 8:26 under ANY translation and tell me if you won't arrive at UNUTTERABLE

How comes the 'prayer language' of Pentecost was utterable and readily understood by the Diasporan Jews? Either it was not 'prayer language' but 'ministry gift' or your definitions and distinctions are baseless
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 6:09pm On Sep 11, 2015
Jeromejnr:
First question: prayer language.
Distinguish the two from scriptures. Thank you

Second statement: please explain to us how the Spirit groans for us in helping our imfrmities since you are more enlightened.
Am not more enlightened sir, am a lover of God and the truth.
The bible says groans that can't be uttered. How comes prayer in tongues are audible?
And secondly, how comes Paul says we should interpret the prayers in tongues ('groans') as well?
1 Corinthians 14:13-15 (KJV)
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also:


Recall too you claim that Pentecost was 'prayer language'. This was a literal language understood by the Diasporan Jews. Does it qualify as unutterable groans?

Third statement: The manifestation is for the person receiving the gift not for you a passerby.
It is very clear tongues are for unbelievers. That's Holy Spirit speaking sir. Here,
1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV)
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe
Christianity Etc › Re: Bad Omen: Crane Collapses In The 'holiest' Mosque In Mecca by vooks(op): 6:03pm On Sep 11, 2015
Over 60 dead and counting
http://www.rt.com/news/315082-crane-collapses-mecca-mosque/

Did TB Joshua predict this?

Christianity Etc › Re: Bad Omen: Crane Collapses In The 'holiest' Mosque In Mecca by vooks(op): 5:57pm On Sep 11, 2015
kilokeys:
Mehn

Op is a religious bigot
I never brought it down sir, take it up with your god
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 5:55pm On Sep 11, 2015
Jeromejnr:
Not all have the ministry gift, that was why interpretation was mentioned. But all are sposed to pray in the language.
Bro, what went down at Pentecost, 'ministry gift' or 'praying in the language'?

"Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words."
Very comforting verse. I don't know how one hops from this to praying in tongues

The witness is not for you but for the person.
Sorry I don't understand
Christianity Etc › Bad Omen: Crane Collapses In The 'holiest' Mosque In Mecca by vooks(op): 5:48pm On Sep 11, 2015
Breaking News: Probable casualties
Allah is on honeymoon

Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 5:45pm On Sep 11, 2015
Jeromejnr:
The fact that majority of the scriptures that deal with baptism in the Holy Ghost ended up with speaking in tongues.

And the fact that due to experience everyone I have seen baptised spoke in tongues.
The fact that scriptures tells you not all speak in tongues nor interpret should qualify your assumptions. You have 4 or so instances of baptism of the Holy Spirit with t least three clearly telling you they spoke in tongues. Should you assume that ALL MUST SPEAK IN TONGUES or should you not rather follow the clear voice of the Holy Spirit here;
1 Corinthians 12:30 (AMP)
30 Do all possess extraordinary powers of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?


And being born again has evidence. The inner witness of the Spirit that bears witness that we are sons of God.
The point is that 'inner witness' need not be visible to me to make it true. Likewise, your baptism of the Holy Spirit need not be witnessed by me.
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 5:40pm On Sep 11, 2015
misreal:
it seems you are not here to know the truth but to argue.jrjerome,has answered your question but you are still adamant.
Am not here to argue, I shared a book. Please read it and thank God for impressing tha author to share it for free. Iron sharpens iron. Am glad he has the grace to share his faith with me just as I have with him. You should esteem God's word above all traditions and whatever they teach you at your church, you should like Bereans be noble enough to search it for yourself.

if you needed the truth,you would taken his advice..
Am a lover of God and the truth. if you love the truth, endavor to back everything you believe in by the Word and discard what does not line up with scriptures. That's my prayer

my brother you need to know God yourself and stop saying the things your pastor told you..
Who told you my pastor told me to say anything? Please stop false allegations. That's so unChristian

if my pastor says things that are not in line with the spirit of God,I always know
How do you 'know'? Testing everything against scriptures and not 'gut feelings'
..press into God and ask him to reveal himself to you instead of swallowing everything your priest tells you..
You too bro, cherish and treasure scriptures above all traditions of men
I have talked enough sir,I rest my case.
God bless you man of God


Sola Scriptura
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 5:32pm On Sep 11, 2015
Jeromejnr:
Evidences abound in scriptures

"And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost for they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,"

Look at that word FOR there. What does it imply in the English language and in context of this verse.
This verse tells us the Jews perceived the Gentiles had received the baptism because they heard them speak in tongues. But please note a few things

Acts 10:46 (KJV)
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.

1. The Jews heard them MAGNIFY GOD. So they heard what they Gentiles were saying.
2. While this means they received the baptism and spoke in tongues, and baptism was evidenced by tongues,nowhere is it said that baptism MUST be evidenced by tongues.

There are other aspects of salvation more important than baptism such as forgiveness of sins, being born again which have no evidence. Why? Because they are received by faith.

Also:

"And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues,"
Again, baptism followed by tongues but who said tongues MUST evidence baptism?

Also:

"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
Where is it written that baptism MUST be evidenced by tongues?

The fact that in Corinthians we are taught not all speak in tongues means so many who received the baptism NEVER spoke in tongues
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 5:22pm On Sep 11, 2015
misreal:
no..
If there are no scriptures to support your belief, what are they based on? Traditions of men?
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 5:21pm On Sep 11, 2015
Jeromejnr:
I have many hings to say to you bro. But no time.
I have one scripture for you
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


The scriptures are sufficient in and of themselves, may WE not be found resisting Holy Spirit by upholding lawlessness and traditions of men
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 5:15pm On Sep 11, 2015
Jeromejnr:
Look, look.

Looking at the scripture in context, Paul said "if you bless or give thanks in tongues how will people know to say amen" its different from all praying in tongues together in intercession or for themselves.
My brother
1 Corinthians 14:13- 17 (KJV) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified..
1. Pray
2. Sing
3. Bless
All these 3 MUST be interpreted so others may be edified and say amen. Otherwise why would Paul use the examples specifically in the context of interpretation of tongues?


When Christians were constantly praying for Peter in prison, how do you think they prayed together? Was it English? Were they saying, "Lord deliver Peter" over and over repeatedly?
Or was it tongues they all used?
We are not told what language they used but whenever their prayers are recorded, it was in a language others understood. For instance
Acts 4:24 (KJV)
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them


Why should we speculate that they prayed in tongues? Please let's not 'help' Holy Spirit with inspiration, let's stick to what is revealed

This thing is not hard to understand.
True, no uninterpreted tongues in public worship
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 5:09pm On Sep 11, 2015
misreal:
mtchwww..the evidence of the baptism of the holy ghost is not in speaking in tongues abi??mtchhhhhww...you win bros..I don't argue these things oh..
Scriptures please.
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 4:51pm On Sep 11, 2015
Jeromejnr:
It says everyone that hath a doctrine, psalm and tongue to share before the whole church. Which meant someone might have come up and spoke in tongues before the congregation without interpretation.
EVERYONE means entire church. How different is everyone in the church having a tongue and the whole church bubbling in tongues simultaneously?

It didn't say don't speak In tongues at all in church. Or as a prayer group.
Agreed but the reason it never said that is because church is where 2 or three are gathered. The point is simply no uninterpreted tongues PUBLICLY. Church in apostolic times were usually held in homes. See here
1 Corinthians 16:19 (KJV)
The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.


Notice the last line. "Keep silence in church and speak to himself and God" Still in church. But not In front of the congregation to minister to them.

There is a difference.
Bro we are splitting hairs. Whether somebody is at the front or back, ain't they both IN CHURCH?
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL Pentecostals Should Read This by vooks(op): 4:45pm On Sep 11, 2015
misreal:
the evidence of your baptism of the holy ghost,is that you have the holy ghosthuh
First, there is no scripture that says one needs evidence of baptism of Holy Spirit much less that the evidence being tongues. That is doctrines of men that make the word of God of non-effect.

What evidence do you have that you are born again? What about evidence that your name is written in the book of life? Or better, that your sins are forgiven?

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