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Jeromejnr:
Agreed.

But that does not mean in a public worship everyone can't pray in tongues all together. Its different from ministering to people in tongues without interpretation or giving thanks in tongues.

you can all pray in tongues if you all interpret. But it should be done orderly. Hear Holy Spirit speaking;
1 Corinthians 14:26-28 (KJV)
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God

You can't interpret tongues in a room of even 5 bubbling simultaneously

misreal:
hahahah..good..oya let's hear your arguement

What argument?

Jeromejnr:
I need help bro.

I would have gone through scriptures with you but no time. I told you how this works in experience.
Summary:
There is a tongue as a sign to unbelievers that comes as God wills. E.g. Speaking in language to foreign locals. And you don't know what you said but they do. And also the one for edification of the body of Christ which comes with interpretation either from you or another person. This comes as God wills.

There is a prayer and worship one, you can start it as you will and can also be in others peoples languages or tongues of angels. This is spoken to God and not men. And received at the baptism.
This was the one Jesus said, in My Name they will do.

The Corinthian church messed everything up and mixed it. So Paul had to correct it.

My broda,
Regardless of the various species of tongues, nothing uninterpreted is to be admitted in public worship. If we can't understand what you sayin, zip it. That's Holy Spirit

misreal:
mtchhww..go jorh..you have the gift of tongues but you are not a pentecostal..guy a beg no disturb me,I don't enjoy arguing about this things.

Who said am not Pentecostal?

Jeromejnr:
God help you.

Amen
God help you too. Or you are all too knowledgeable and you don't need help, right?

Jeromejnr:
I really don't have time to write.

Listen to Goshen360. He has put it forth.

You can't substantiate. Those are traditions of men that void the word of God

Goshen360:
relax!

Thank you for the rebuke

Jeromejnr:
All you have to do is take a survey.

Most of the people on this thread now, thinks you don't believe in tongues.

There is a book. Books are not supposed to be admired but to be read

Jeromejnr:
You can't know if you've not experienced it Mr. Man.

Show me the distinction from the scriptures or zip it.
Tongues MUST be interpreted or kept private

There are people who spoke in the tongues prayer language before God gave them the gift for edification of believers that comes with interpretation. Not all have the latter. That was Paul said, do all speak? And do all interprete? Which is to show you it was the ministry gift he spoke about.

No interpretation, no public tongues. So simple. This is Holy Spirit speaking not me

The 120 disciples in the upper room, where all of them interpreting their tongues? Cornelius and his household. Did they?

No they did not. But we have the revelation in Corinthians that there should be no tongues without interpretation. Should we ignore that?

The disciples after crucifixion were downcast and they all forgot Jesus had said he would resurrect. Should we live like them in unbelief or should we not rather rejoice like they did when Jesus resurrected and appeared on them?

Paul wrote that letter because there was confusion on the issue.

Holy Spirit says
1 Corinthians 14:18 (KJV)
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: 19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

5 words understood by all are better than 1 million words nobody including the speaker understands

Goshen360:
You're right! I have also taught in the past, one of my threads - the abuse of tongues in the public worship place if not interpreted. I don't do that in church.....I did as a child like the Corinthians but when I grew in the word, I put away childish things.

Immanuel!

Correct!

Am glad we agree

No, they're not the same: The tongues spoken on Pentecost was a "sign" tongues - they never learnt a language they spoke with which people understood.

True

b - The tongues Paul taught in 1 Corinthians was a "praying" tongues -

New International Version
For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

New Living Translation
For if you have the ability to speak in tongues, you will be talking only to God, since people won't be able to understand you. You will be speaking by the power of the Spirit, but it will all be mysterious.

English Standard Version
For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

Here you make a FALSE distinction.
Study at the MANY things tongues in Corinthians are used for
1. Speaking to God
1 Corinthians 14:2 (KJV)
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

2. Praying, 3. Singing and 4. Blessing
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (KJV)
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also (16) Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

Next, study the Pentecost tongues. Were they speaking to men or God?

Acts 2:8-11 (KJV)
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God
Sounds like they were praising not addressing men.

So, how are these tongues different from those of Corinthians?

And note
1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV)
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe

How can the tongues of Corinthians be 'to God' and not 'to man' yet they are supposed to be sign for men?

Highlight: The tongues spoken on Pentecost was spoken to MEN and it was understood but this tongue here is NOT unto MEN but to GOD because NO ONE understand the speaker. So, one is a sign tongue and the other is a praying tongue by the enabling of the Spirit.

No, they were praising, speaking wondrous works. Where do you get the notion that they were spoken TO men?

That verse is an instruction for correction sir. It has nothing to do with verse 2 of I Corinthians 14. As a matter of truth, Paul said, if one is to pray\speak to God in prayer by tongues, they should do so in their private NOT in public like all this non-sense going on the our public worship places where all the whole church just burst into tongues and the problem lies with most people that should still be learning under the tutor of the Spirit but are in hurry to mount the pulpit, call themselves Pastors and preaching unbaked messages.....Lord help His Church!

Uninterpreted tongues have no room in public worship. That's pretty clear. There are two solutions
1. Get interpretation
2. Pray/speak at home

Jeromejnr:
Stop twisting my words brother. No one said you need to be mature to have the gift.

Then we are in agreement. Spiritual gifts should not be a source of pride. It is Holy Spirit who gives them, hence the name 'gifts'

If you were spiritually discerning, you won't have put up a thread like this. Knowing there are baby Christians still struggling with the issue of tongues. Do you think. Most of them will read the book?

If anybody baby or dinosaur like yourself jump into conclusions WITHOUT reading the book, they need deliverance

When they see the title, they might jump to conclusion that tongues is wrong or something.

When you do things, you think of others.

Books are written to be read. The cover is not the book. I can take cows to the river but I can't drink the water for them

Jeromejnr:
Oga, go and read the book again.

Tongues and interpretation for edifying the beleivers is different from the personal prayer language tongues.

The problem is you and guys like this combine the two together into one and say thongs the bible didn't say.

This is an artificial distinction that has no scriptural basis.

There is ONLY one gift of tongues not two. Whether praying, praising, or worshiping in tongues, they should be strictly PRIVATE unless there is interpretation

Exactly how is a loud prayer offered in congregation 'private'?

Jeromejnr:
So can you please tell us how to bear fruit if we don't edify/build up our spirit man?

Any intelligent Christian would readily appreciate that gifts are no mark of maturity. Baby Christians can equally receive the gifts. And they remain gifts so I don't know why you go around bragging like you earned them

Jeromejnr:
So you speak and you don't want others to speak. Yet you share a book that talks down on the gift.

How hypocritical.

The author left the Tongues Movement not abandoned the gift. If only you could read instead of pomposity and jumping into conclusions, the world would be a better place.

Please take your time and read this book.

Tell me,
Do you allow uninterpreted tongues in your church?

misreal:
hahahahahahhaah...your no2 shows ignorance of how the gifts of the spirit operates....your no3 is logically correct but spiritually inaccurate.. I don't know who you are or where you are from,but I am sure you don't have any relationship with the holy spirit..are you even born again?

I don't understand why some Pentecostals imagine spiritual gifts are a mark of spirituality or maturity.
Many like me received the gift of tongues within 24 hours of receiving Christ. Tongues are no maturity. Maturity is measured by the fruit of the Spirit

Jeromejnr:
Well, That is why you don't have the gift.

Who told you I don't ?

The problem with you and your kind is you can't handle biblical counsel without personal attacks.
1 Corinthians 5:2 (KJV)
And ye are puffed up

Why are you puffed up? Do you imagine spiritual gifts to me some sort of accomplishment you go flashing infront of others?

Goshen360:
vooks,

Please follow context! The Corinthians are plainly abusing spiritual gifts even in worship gathering......hence the statement:

19 Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

I have taught on the abuse of tongues in our churches in the past. It is only wrong to speak\pray in unknown tongues in churches (worship gathering) but praying\speaking in unknown tongues is not wrong as a spiritual gift!

Agreed 101%

This is why I wonder why some are shunning the book and it is all about restoring order to the chaos that Pentecostalism is

Goshen360:
I agree...it also applies to me, no doubt. Be that as it may, there's really no need to argue unless if you don't mind I ask you few questions I have always asked concerning this subject of tongues. Who knows, you might help me out if I err in this subject.

Welcome child of Most High

The ^ brought out one of the few questions I actually was going to ask:

1 - Who said the tongue or language spoken cannot be understood by any man not even the one who speaks it? Paul by the inspiration of the Spirit or the person who speak the understandable language?

I did not say tongues can't be understood, I merely pointed to the current practice of total disregard to Paul instructions; uninterpreted tongues have no place in public worship. Does your church follow this?

2 - The laguage spoken on Pentecost, was it understandable or not?

The language was understandable by the Diasporan Jews

3 - What is the clear difference between languages spoken on Pentecost and the one taught by Paul and if there's no difference, are both the same?

They are the same.
Please note Paul instructions
1 Corinthians 14:18 (ESV)
I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue

How many churches heed to scriptures
1 Corinthians 14:18 (ESV)
I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue

shyna01:
until the heart of stone is removed and replaced with a heart of flesh..
..

What has been preserved and passed down to us for 2000 years is the scriptures not subjective experiences

That's why scriptures come first

How do you test tongues if they be of God yet you can't understand what you are saying?

1 John 3:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Islam is good for WORDS either very poor in DEEDS.

They are building mosques in wartorn Somali but zero assistance to the refugees

Goshen360:
vooks,

Just accept you need to learn more doing word study and following context and also questioning the text so you can understand this tongue topic. Peace!

Very true. This applies to all of us, including YOU Goshen360.

Jeromejnr:
U didn't get the point.

You too missed the point

True2God,
I think it's fair to conclude that the rich Gulf is ONLY interested in spreading Islam and has least concern for their Muslim desperados

1 John 3:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Islam is heavy on clichés such as 'brotherhood' and such but this is being tested and found wanting. They should love in DEED not just opening mosques and selling arms

Jeromejnr:
"These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; 18they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

So looking at this scripture. Let's leave the tongues part and look at the rest. Are they for all Christians or just a select few?

If this is ALL scriptures say about tongues, they are for all.

One can say the list is incomplete, there is not interpretation of tongues here

Jeromejnr:
First of all, let me ask you a question. Do you beleive no Christian should speak in tongues, or its only for some people?

Tongues are not for all any more than interpretation,wisdom,knowledge and prophecy are

Jeromejnr:
If you are willing to learn, I could teach you concerning that scripture.

Please do

Jeromejnr:
Naaa. Are you ashamed to tell me your sect?

I don't have a sect. Should be have one?

Christians beleive in speaking in tongues. You don't.

1 Corinthians 12:30King James Version (KJV)
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

Jeromejnr:
So tell me, which denomination are you?

Am a Christian

Jeromejnr:
Feel free to keep being ignorant my guy.

Read the book

BTW what you wrote up there doesn't even make sense.

Just saying.

Read 2 Peter 1

PastorOsamede:
"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject" (Titus 3:10).

Why waste your time and risk unrighteous speech because you want to convince people who have built an iron wall around their minds? Let them be. Your Scriptural evidence is enough. Peace!

How do you measure spiritual maturity?