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Omonigeriarere:
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[b]Do you know what century means or you are just typing thrash? The first oil discovery in Nigeria happens in January 15, 1956: how have you fed a country for a century if I may ask? Who are those benefitting from this discovery much if not corrupt politicians which consisting of those in your region including your selfish elders?

Apart from two constitutionally recognized Ministries taking care of the ND areas' affairs, who have been predominantly headed by the so called 'son-of-the-soil', coupled with huge yearly budgetary allocations, what can they show as the resultant effect/developments incurred from 13% derivation? It is noteworthy to note that your region has been surviving on the resources from the other region before oil discovery: how have you not tagged such action as parasitic behavior?

Oil is vast loosing its value around the globe with most European countries finding alternatives, but all you could do is still supporting evil being perpetrated on daily basis: is it Buhari or Jonathan that is witnessing environmental pollutions and degradations which is absurd to peoples' existence?

You need to grow up.[/b]

I was gonna, ignore you. But I need to give u a little lecture on history, since your third rate Nigerian eduction offers you very little of that;

1. First read and comprehend: "half a century", have we fed Nigeria for that long?

2. The most ridiculous statement, you the Fulanis and your cohort make. "You fed us before oil discovery". Please when exactly was that?
The Itsekiri independent nation was one of the first to encounter those white devils. It is on record that we were trading with them, was it your people that gave my nation the rubber, beads, and palm oil we were trading with?
During colonization, prior to crude oil discovery, we were known as the Oil Rivers. Again Na una villages we for get the palm oil plantation, when e make dem tag us that?
Go read the alamagation message of Lugard and tell me exactly where and how you've fed my people. Was it precolonial, colonial or post colonial days?

Brent closed at $45 yesterday, that doesn't look like something that loses value daily. Also even if Na $1 per barrel, make e be ooo...Leave us make we chop am, Na we get am..

Omonigeriarere:
[b] Today you hail Avengers for blowing pipelines, tomorrow you blame Buhari for inability to generate much gas to support lightning for the country: next tomorrow, you blame recession on PMB: is that not an height of hypocrisy?

What is now the difference between you guys and illiterate Hausas that supports BH? The most annoying part of it is that you guys have the guts to tag Buhari as the founder of BH even without any tangible proof, but exclude Jonathan from any bombing happening in SS: hope you have seen either of PMB, Saraki, Mark, Osinbajo or Jonathan suffering now?

Though you have been witnessing the negative consequences of possession of fire-arms by youth in your jurisdiction, I only pray it won't reach a level whereby your community will suffer and cry more than the child of the bereaved after Buhari has left the govenance in that there is reaction for every action.

Remember, when a bird perches on a rope, the rope will not be comfortable while the bird will never experience peace: a word is enough for the wise. [/b]

I'm gonna be short and blunt, with this. I don't give a flying crap about Nigeria. I stopped caring the day I realized we have fed the nation for half a century and all we got was a lousy t-shirt. We have gained absolutely nothing from this union, since pre-independence we've shouldered other people's weight. It's time to be selfish and care for just us alone and our children, children.
I don't care what you tag me and my brothers.

Emassive:
Itsekiri here and I would gladly take a Biafra nation over Nigeria with all the silly things happening around the country. Why should I trust a govt that is filled with traces of Political bias, tribal sentiment and special treatment of first class Northerners.
However, I will no take up Arms.

Bro, our mothers naked take over chevron peacefully for Ugborodo. Till today did anybody address what they cried for, neglecting all the shame they have?
Was it not just last month that people slept in front of chevron yard as protest in the same Ugborodo. Which national daily report am? Naija do not care about us and only understand one language.
I'll leave you with this.

Tallesty1:
What's the group's name please??

ICG. It's closed and private, for only Itsekhiri's...

When I said bringing warships to the ND was an act of war and my people will respond in kind. They banned me for promoting violence. Again your 4 warships and whatever number of military personnel cannot protect the length and breadth of the oil installations in the Delta.

When I also said the constant invasion of our villages will only continue to unite us, some laughed. Those betrayers and saboteurs that took the military to Orugbo yesterday. You'll meet your day of reckoning soon. While the useless military were busy harassing the people of Orugbo and other villages in Delta yesterday. The real NDA were in Bayelsa lighting things up. Your intelligence is so out of whack it's insane you call yourself a countries defense unit.

Like Brexit, like Trump, Nigeria won't believe what will hit it...For the first time I am seeing Itsekhiri's openly support Biafra and sharing Biafra videos daily on the biggest Itsekhiri Fb groups.
If you like delete my comment and ban me again...It won't stop the tsunami that will engulf the joke of a nation.

When I said bringing warships to the ND was an act of war and my people will respond in kind. They banned me for promoting violence. Again your 4 warships and whatever number of military personnel cannot protect the length and breadth of the oil installations in the Delta.

When I also said the constant invasion of our villages will only continue to unite us, some laughed. Those betrayers and saboteurs that took the military to Orugbo yesterday. You'll meet your day of reckoning soon. While the useless military were busy harassing the people of Orugbo and other villages in Delta yesterday. The real NDA were in Bayelsa lighting things up. Your intelligence is so out of whack it's insane you call yourself a countries defense unit.

Like Brexit, like Trump, Nigeria won't believe what will hit it...For the first time I am seeing Itsekhiri's openly support Biafra and sharing Biafra videos daily on the biggest Itsekhiri Fb groups.
If you like delete my comment and ban me again...It won't stop the tsunami that will engulf the joke of a nation.

ba7man:
Seeing the environment ruined by oil spills fills my eyes with tears of joy.

I now understand why they celebrate every bomb blast........ it's so beautiful.

What did you do or say about the oil spills to make things better before the boys started lighting things up?
God damn hypocrites...

davidif:
Do you have an idea the impact of what this guys are doing?

How many of these was caused by militants? Most are a result of the recklessness of IOC's, I don't see you'll being environmental champions then. Do you know how many thousand spills occur in the Delta? How many has ever been cleaned up?
How many threads have been started on NL on these spills? Have you ever protested against them? And you want us to care when our boys are lighting things up, child please.
This has been our reality for as long as we can remember. You've had over 50yrs to show that you cared, but didn't. Now face the consequences of your inactions. We will light it all up, he who is down fears no fall, that was already our reality caused by the IOCs and left to fester on by y'all....

fratermathy:
Project Nigeria is a big setup but we must be careful about leaving it because things can always get worse. One of the problems we have in our region is that of bad and corrupt leadership and it has eaten so deep that even the youths have inherited the tradition of corruption. If we secede today, that problem will plague the new nation so much that we may be worse off than South Sudan. In Nigeria, at least, we have some hope of checks and balances. We can always bypass and depose leaders in Nigeria with our collective might but if we secede today, the so-called leaders of the secession will personalize the country and things will spiral down for worse. That is not even the worse that can happen.


My basic argument is that before we talk of resource control, true federalism, and secession, we should tackle our brother-betray-brother mindset, corruption, tribalism, and many other social issues plaguing us. After that, whatever we choose will favour us.

Awesome points. I'll start from the back, your last points, that should be our focus right now. That what affects one affects all, and the fight should be regional. It's why I supported the Avenger, after their press release that they have commanders from every part of the region. And they have lighted up different parts of the region, so that sounds like it's true. We need a Regional Youth Movement, that encompasses everyone, that's speaks with one voice and fight one fight. Nobody in Naija can stop us if we can achieve that.

Back to your first point, the fear of leaving and the unknown. If I say I don't have those same fears, I would be lying. But I can't keep letting the fear of the unknown shackle me.
We are a product of out environment, whoever we are today Nigeria made us. We are a product of the Nigerian system, we can either keep going on in a system that has corrupted us, turned our men to warlord and underdevelop our communities or break free and try to start a new path and system.
The first few years might not be rosy, but if we put the checks and balances in place in a short while, we will get things right.
If everything is divided along ethnic lines, states, resources, who and how to govern, it will lead to very little uprising. Because we are very tribal centric and so are our warlords. The other major reason I don't think we will be a case of South Sudan is that, our warlords have tasted money and flipped legit. If we ever get a country, these folks would be thinking about setting up empires. They are more exposed than most give them credit for and some genuinely want to see our places comparable to those they visit abroad.
It's not gonna be easy, they will be a lot of growing pains. But we don't need the check and balances of any big tribe that don't really care for us, we can check and balance ourselves.
I also don't believe we're as stupid as the rest of Naija think we are that if we get our own country we will let warlords lead us. There is a place for them, the newly formed military. Today warlords are not Local govt chairmen or Governors in our region. We are not as scared of them as the rest of Naija, they are not some mythical creatures. They are our brothers and we know how to fight them.

The one thing I'll ask all my brothers that are for one Nigeria; is what have we gained by being Nigerians for over 50years? We kept our part of the bargain, feed them with our resources. What have we gotten in return, have they fulfilled their end? Would we have been any worse if we were say in Cameroon? Some other country or on our own?

fratermathy:
You have a very good point sha.
Urhobo, I agree, doesn't produce as much oil as other ethnicities.

However, we fall under the Niger Delta region and we deserve development even if it's only a drop of oil we produce. We deserve it. We shouldn't be taken to the background and left to rot when we know we contribute to the National treasury, however minute.

That said, we also host the refinery and other government oil related infrastructure because of our upland habitation. Isoko, our kith and kin, produces more than enough oil but with nothing to write home about. Isokoland is one of the most underdeveloped places in Delta State. That is the sad reality. Urhoboland is only developed a little bit because we control Delta State Government. If not for that advantage, Chai! We for worse pass Kalahari bushmen.

Bros I totally agree with you, every single, child, man, woman and tribe from that region deserves development. It's I'm kinda happy that the Urhobos are not being quiet this time and lighting things up in their areas as well. We are all in this fight together and that's the only way we'll get any development.
I see that you're in support of project Naija, cool. Me I'm honestly done with it, I believe we will be better on our own and we can fix our issues faster. Naija has failed us horribly for 50 years, that's half a century. I don't want to wait another half, when there is no visible sign of improvement. All because I wanna be called a Nigerian and share country/resources with millions of people that we have no connection with. We were independent nations before this god forsaken contraption. And we identify and are more patriotic to our nation/tribe first, that there is true patriotism, not the forced one Nigeria. Until we are divided along and let to control our God given resources, there might be no visible improvement on our situation in the near future.

fratermathy:
Well, I see your point. We are not politically dominant in the whole region.

However, check our population figure of 4million (est.), combined with Isoko's 1million (est.) and get a rough idea of why we should be given more attention in the Niger Delta.

Ijaws, I know, beat this number. Ibibios DO NOT. Except, of course, they combine with Efik, Eket, Oron and Annaang and in which case, they take second. Urhobo logically comes third only if the aforementioned combination takes place, else, they come second.

Bro I'm totally in support of almost all you've wrote. Just want to point out something I noticed from all your conversations, you keep talking about population of the Urhobo's without saying anything about the amount of crude produced by the land of this teaming population. Urhobos for their population do not produce and have the same oil and gas reserves that the Efik, Ijaws and even Itsekhiri's .
I agree that every ethnic nationality in the region deserve due representation and should get what is rightfully theirs. But it should be based on production/reserves, not population. Population is how the north as been getting more allocation than everyone else and even the blind knows it's unfair. If you want to go on about population, then the Edo's can come up with population talk too now.

ImoRiver:
If you are not lying can I know your community? Some youths in Niger Delta don't like humble jobs. Etche, Ogoni and if we include Akwa Ibom, Edo and Crossriver as Niger Delta are some of the block exceptions. My company employs for 100k start up as a servicing company but none of the host community employees has ever lasted more than 6 months because there is a belief that 100k is too small for a graduate from the community. Igbos, Ogonis and Akwaibomites even apply for manual jobs of 50k and yet look much happier and fulfilled.

One thing I've noticed is that some politicians are involved in brainwashing the youths into believing that oil being in their soil means they should be rich without hard work but their own children are working despite being sure of inheriting billions. Niger Delta areas in Rivers, Bayelsa and Delta need total reorientation to change this wrong psych. All of Nigeria suffers from bad leadership but others are more self reliant.

Una don come again. With a nameless host community, company and ridiculous claim. I'm from Ugborodo, where boys dey fight for 50k EGTL work wen dem go still give community chairman 5k or so on top.
Please what's the community that their youths are rejecting 100k a month job in the region.

Blue3k:
I agree with you and never said federal government did toll roads. I said toll roads exist on interstate like you asked for. I posted picture to give example of electronic toll for Nigerian governmen to implement. Great now we're on same page thank you for being good sport.

Now it's on to the silent intellectually dishonest @Edoblakky to open his mouth. He's the last person that needs to explain his lies.

The electronic part is way too complex for Naija to implement now. First FRSC address database has to be up to date. Then motion detection cameras that run 24hour. Before we talk about scanning the tags and then the 24hour power to run all of it. You can keep dreaming though. Goodnight man.

Blue3k:
I never said it went federal government collects tolls. I specifically tolled you interstates are tolled full stop. You made another Strawman. Interstate meaning highways included in inteestate system.

Each individual state decides if they need toll and hire what ever company they want to collect. Don't conflate arguements.

Another strawman. Dart is the train and bus route specificly for dallas. NTTA is toll tag and yes it works in Oklahoma.

Quote me if I did say what your insinuating. I qoute you anytime I want to prove it.

My bad on Dart. I'm not gonna keep this back and fort. Tolls tags only started working in both states in 2014 after they did a collaboration. As you know people commute between North Texas and OK for work daily. I just checked it out, prior to then it didn't work.
This topic is about the FG of Nigeria, building, maintaining and tolling highways and you posted a pic of a US city toll. Like see it's even practiced in the US.
I said and I'm saying the Federal Government of the US do not construct interstate and then toll it's citizen. Full stop, simple. If they do, show me where they do.

Blue3k:
I never said they weren't so arguements doesn't apply. So why did u write this to me. Since all I mentioned was electronic toll.



See like I told you interstate is doesn't matter who does tolling. Who cares if it's cities or state or federal government. You told me cites toll them no they aren't. Edit your post make sure u add federal government doesn't.

cities toll the ones they build and maintain, and they are built to ease rush hour traffic 90% of the time, how is that too difficult for you to grasp. Now check which part of I-35 is tolled, you'll notice is mostly the parts in Dallas/Plano area, where most people go to work. Going further north is not tolled.

Ok I agree the interstate is still tolled like I said. I also said the 1-35 part is wrong because it's also tolled outside of Texas futher north by oklahoma Kansas border. If the section of interstate is tolled then that means interstate state is tolled.

Now get your story straight instead of lying.

Please who do you pay your toll tags to? DART or some Federal government agency? How come your Dart/ Dallas toll tags don't work by the Kansas/OK border, if it's the same interstate toll?
I'm sure the Kansas/OK border is a huge truck stop town, with hundreds if not thousands of travelers passing daily, as such the local governments of those areas thought it would be more economically viable for them to construct, maintain and tolls that part of I-35. Wtf are you actually tryna say? That they are interstates tolled by the Fed?

Blue3k:
You the one battling strawmen you bozo. I never made any mention of federal government collecting tolls in us. All I asked was to make sure its electronuc toll. Your changing your statements now like a snake. At least edit your post before lying to my face.

You didn't request for federal toll nitwit. You Asked FOR Example Of Toll On interstate.



My original post you replied to.





Your full quote snice you want to lie.

Alright, I'll take this really slow. I won't edit my comment, I'm sure of what I said and I meant it. Like I said in that comment, these are TOLLS built by CITIES, to ease rush hour traffic. Keyword there, built by cities, I clearly stated that in my first post.
I didn't comment about the electronic stuff, only said you should stop misleading people and acting like interstates are tolled in the US. They are not, cities toll the ones they build and maintain, and they are built to ease rush hour traffic 90% of the time, how is that too difficult for you to grasp. Now check which part of I-35 is tolled, you'll notice is mostly the parts in Dallas/Plano area, where most people go to work. It's mostly 635 that's tolled, and 635 is just a massive loop around Dallas, it doesn't take you to any other state, you get off it if you going outta state.

Blue3k:
Yes you implied it unless I'm thinking of other dude I tagged. You alone asked where U.S federal roads are taxed I gave examples. Stop playing games if it. It doesn't matter which governing body does it whether state local or federal. The examples show an interstate is tolled.

The rest of you comment doesn't apply.

Bruh bruhh bruhhhh. You really tryna be petty and look for straws here man. The full quote clearly stated its a city toll. They don't apply because they make you look like you're tryna be petty right.
Like I said it is a city toll not a Fed toll. Federal government of the US don't have any tolled interstate.
Now show me a Fed tolled interstate like I requested for. Not one constructed and maintained by a city/state.

Let me add this last part just for trivia. Look at the states that have these tolls, they are mostly republican controlled states. They are all against big government intrusion and the Fed telling them what to do. You sound like u live in TX, so u should know a lot about this.

Blue3k:
Your arguements was that tolls don't exist on roads not that federal government puts tolls on them. Now stop lying before I pull up quote.



Dont care if it's petty. You were rude telling me stop spreading untruths so u had to be tagged in this.

Man for real? Please pull the quote. When did I say tolls don't exist on roads?
I said interstates are not tolled, only cities and local authorities toll.
U said that some were and pointed out examples
I told u the only instances those are permitted. Simple, they are not built and maintained with Federal Government funds, hence my initial statement stands. Since the Naija highways that wanna be tolled are gonna be built and maintained by the FG your US comparisons are void and don't apply.

You really need to pass what you're smoking man.

Blue3k:
Nobody lying bozo how are you going to tell me their no toll on Federal road when it clearly says I-35 has toll on it. You need to wake up to reality. Don't mention me again spouting nonsense.

Tolls are introduced to partly for roads also to handle traffic issue. No interstate highway is owned by federal government but by the states. Federal Government and states work together to maintain them. Now stop pretending you know something and read links I provided you.

I-35 route has on 635 in dallas.

http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-035.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Tolled_sections_of_Interstate_Highways
http://www.interstate-guide.com/turnpikes.html
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/faq.cfm#question28
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System

Ps. I drive on these roads everyday. I pay the tolls I know they exist. Here's a tip if your on a computer hit ctrl f then type I - then you'll see all the examples.

If you on phone you can do the same thing with different set of commands.

Have been a lil busy so haven't had time to reply you. How about you kindly read what you posted thoroughly. The parts of the interstate tolled are by local authorities, that build and maintain that portion of the interstate. Not the Federal government and no Federal highway funds is used for the building and maintenance of those roads tolled.

Note: Can only be tolled if no highway funds is spent on the construction reconstruction or improvement of the part tolled

Again the Federal Government of the US doesn't toll it's highways/interstate. States/ local authorities that construct and maintain their portion are allowed to toll. If you know the history of the interstate then you'll know why some state opted to do this so an not to be arm strung by the Federal government to do its bidding.

gabby1002:
You guys may not know the consequences at present but i assure you, your unborn children shall taste your today‘s action. Today‘s date is 25.10.16

Yes...Our unborn children will enjoy a land where their resources are being carted away to feed everyone and their grand ma's. Our children shall taste, the blessings in their lands and waters not some unknown persons from kano or Lagos.
That's what our children will remember these days for. The days we stood against our oppressors and took them by the balls.

Blue3k:
If they use money collected to fix those abominations we Nigerians call roads. Dirt path paths with swimming sized gutters. Next make sure they are electronic toll for the sanity of the driver. We have enough slow down with useless police officer checked points aka bribe collection stops.

Why do u guys enjoy misinforming people on purpose. That is a city toll to ease rush hour movement, not even state. Now show me a Federal road (Interstate) in the US with tolls. Please...

Putin and mother Russia, they're at it again. As a Niger Deltan n pro Biafrian, this is more exciting than someone in the EU parliament saying they should free Nnamdi Kanu.
A 10mins segment on the hypocrisy of the US, when it comes to the Niger Delta, on Putins number one propaganda outlet, they're even saying "don't u think we might wanna go help the people there?" And also pointed out we want our own country.
Imo Putin is already setting the stage for if and when he supports the Niger Delta/ Biafra break up. He will use the same excuse the US has used for all their interventionist wars, we're doing it for the people. And trying to break them free.
Might not like Putin and Russia a lot, but if they are gonna be behind us. Let's roll

Damn, some folks have been selfish and mean for a very long time. So you guys were so selfish with TV signal, because the Midwest wasn't contributing as much as cocoa then, you didn't allow my people enjoy Western Region television service. SMDH
Only God can imagine what would have happened if you had all this crude oil as well. TV for real? TV? Damn

Honestly, it's so annoying when these non Deltan's come with this holier than thou crap when it comes to Ibori.
First and foremost no Deltan will ever tell you, Ibori is not a thief, but he is our thief the same way you all have yours. How many of your thieves have you stoned? How many have you gone to the streets against them? Have u burnt their houses in your towns? Has any of your HOLY governors figured how stop surviving on Delta's oil?
Since y'all are not uneducated like us, please bring the report card of your HOLY governors whom your educated selves elected, let's put it beside our world class thief. Some folks have drug baron and folks with a felony rap sheet in Illinois as party leader and you say shit about Ibori. Go stick ur thumb in the hole between ur butt cheeks.
99% of Deltans, my humble self included will take Ibori over and over again, no matter how much jail term he has served for stealing our money, over Uduaghan, Okowa and any god forsaken governor for your states.

Weah96:
Excellent question. As a matter of fact, there has been research on this before. DMT is already produced endogenously by YOUR own body when you sleep at night. All mammals produce this chemical but we humans cannot voluntarily sequester it for use.



https://www.sociedelic.com/the-future-of-dmt-research-with-dr-rick-strassman/

Read the rest of the interview. Do your own research. Come to Atlanta, I've got the plug on mushrooms.

Interesting, I'll read up on the research and see what it's all about. I'll hold you to your word if I'm ever in Atlanta, Hmu if you're ever in the Dallas area.

ifenes:
Why did they take a lot of African artifice to Europe to study?

Spoils of war, research, to gloat, who knows? They might have thousands of reasons for doing it. That's not my point, mine is that we Africans need to study our religion like a science and figure it all out, not let other people tell us about our gods or ancient science.
And if we can do this and harness it for good, I believe we will be stronger than before the white men stepped foot on our shores.

Weah96:
Do your own research. It's not rocket science. I can tell you that they employ the use of entheogens, or spirit plants and fungi.

Spirit plants? This is not a science and cannot be replicated in labs. Can you mass produce shoot and bounce, then sell it like a pill, that will work for anyone that takes it, without baba incantations and whatever? Now that what I mean, by researching and harnessing.

seguno2:
For malaria, it is about genetic configuration of each race.
Meanwhile, today we rely on the drugs that the oyinbos developed to treat the malaria since our mental laziness won't let us make them ourselves.

Our mental laziness and believe that the white mans stuff is always the best is dragging us down so much we have no clue. In the US, drugs are made so you can keep buying them not to cure an ailment, just treat it.

When we were younger, we saw old ass men, probably in their 80s who smoked pipe, never been to the doctor and could still walk a mile.

Now look at our parents generation, that has over relied on the white mans medicine, and see how they die young of weird stuffs.

ifenes:
They are not gods,just electromagnetic fields(the ancient misunderstood). The Ogun priest is probably performing the art of ancient Alchemy,not gods,even when they call it Ogun. Christians think they can walk on serpent,walk into and dangerous site and not get hurt.....we can see where it led this silly bible god's pastor.

As much as I would like to believe all this, you're just speculating. There has not been enough scientific research into what the hell goes on in our traditional religious practices for anyone to give a definite answer.
And until we stop being scared of it, study it, harness the goodness of its mystery, science or powers. I don't believe Africans will ever be truly great.

Joel3:
why did the gods not save or protect them from the white men. who enslave them anx cater away their idols.

Science defeated our forefathers, not religion. They had never seen weapons like that and didn't evolve their religious science quick enough to counter it. In the end they figured out though, and the white men had to rely on our greed and betrayal to bring us down.

I can return a question to you, why didn't God save them from malaria? But our forefathers didn't die from it like flies.

The way Nigeria raises dumb people is alarming....A group of supposed smart people didn't even bother to read, as long as its and oil spill in the ND na avengers cause am...So you dummies no the difference between Isoko North and Warri Southwest where the avengers have been operating? Later some of them go the claim say dem know the region pass person...
Regular Agip oil spill happened, like it always does...N u dummies are calling NDA's name, this is the oil companies fault, but now that it's not our brothers destroying our environment you guys have suddenly started caring for you can't even blame the real culprits...SMDH