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MaxInDHouse:
First century Jews became so furious at what Jesus said after their people who heard him returned home to tell them what the supposed Messiah (Christ) told them about their most cherished place of worship.

Well Jesus wasn't talking about the physical temple {John 2:21} rather he meant another type of temple that's not stationed in a particular location that's why he told a Samaritan woman saying:

"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” John 4:23-24

The day Jesus died something strange occur in the temple, the large curtain of the sanctuary was miraculously torn from top to bottom! Matthew 27:51

What does this signify and why did it got torn immediately Jesus died?

To be continued....

MaxInDHouse:
I don't have that time when there are many out there anticipating to see me and learn!

Truthseeker10:
Oga what is the old heaven and old earth?

Truthseeker10:
So what is the old heaven and earth, and what will he do to them?

paxonel:


Thank God you are not picking one to be correct over the other without critical objective analysis of the two like this mumu Westerhoffe and his religious types will do.

And what you have just done by not being biased is also not typical of you Jw, what happened?

MaxInDHouse:
I just dey entertain myself jàre none of you is my brother in faith so continue your argument!

paxonel:


Thank God you are not picking one to be correct over the other without critical objective analysis of the two like this mumu Westerhoffe and his religious types will do.

And what you have just done by not being biased is also not typical of you Jw, what happened?

guyboss:


From a logical point of view,

Your feelings isn't an index to give rise to any probable cause to think something horrible is about to hit the earth. Where? Neither you nor your feelings have an astute answer for that.

Even if, per se, such an occurrence do occur, the actions you are limited to are:
1. Attempt Suicide
2. Stay Silent and do Nothing
3. Voice out and create large-scale chaos.

Now,

That being said, our input in realm of affairs concerning time, matter and space,

... even if we transcend through matter to time and spare, na idleness dey do you. Or you got low dopamine or serotonin levels.

Get a cold chocolate drink, you'd feel much better.

Cheers.

paxonel:
you are absolutely wrong.

The quote says acquiring knowledge is not about walking with God, it's about studying.

If you fail to study your bible properly, then you are ignorant of the bible even though you are a believer and walks with God.
you don't need to discuss anything.
Just keep quiet

Because the more you talk, the more you are fooling yourself

Truthseeker10:
So is this your new heaven and earth in this physical universe or where is it?

paxonel:
All these people you mentioned studied at some point.
Lies!

1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

First of all, you must understand that if you don't study to have knowledge, you cannot make wealth enough to do charity.
And if you cannot make wealth enough to do charity, your spiritual mysteries are nothing
it's the same thing I'm saying, The teacher must know first
Anything spiritual you have to say, must have evidence rooted in the physical, or it is nothing.
you do not have any scriptural evidence for this statement.
This kind of teachings are what ancient European missionaries came to Africa to teach. Meanwhile, today they don't believe the teaching anymore in Europe.
But on the contrary,

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Luke17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
you see your problem?
Anything your pastor interprete to you in church is the written truth.
You will not find time to read this bible for yourself

paxonel:
you are absolutely wrong.

The quote says acquiring knowledge is not about walking with God, it's about studying.

If you fail to study your bible properly, then you are ignorant of the bible even though you are a believer and walks with God.
you don't need to discuss anything.
Just keep quiet

Because the more you talk, the more you are fooling yourself

paxonel:
why?
acquiring knowledge is not about walking with God, it's about studying.

See, you can walk with God for all you care, but if you are ignorant, you are ignorant.
I'm not JW.
I"m telling you that without Faith it is impossible to please God.
And that Adam and Eve sinned and lost eternal life, but Jesus Christ has restored back that eternal life to as many who have Faith in him.

This is not what will happen in the future, this is what has already happened
which radiance of Glory?

If you don't understand your bible, humble yourself and learn and stop saying what you don't know.

Jesus Christ has resurrected, that is the radiance of Glory you need.
Just as Christ resurrected, you too will resurrect into Glory the day you die.
That is the radiance of Glory the bible is talking about.
Not any mysterious and unrealistic fictional place away from the real earth where there is real life
and i often ask this simple question that non of you have ever gave a satisfactory explanation.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH DO BRING THEIR GLORY AND HONOR INTO IT

This is not what will happen in future this is what has already happened.

So, the question is, these kings of the earth, do they climb ladder from earth to heaven in order to bring their glory?

Think, before you answer the question

Please don't teach errors again.
If you don't know, it's better you keep quiet

MaxInDHouse:
Heavens!
Spiritual meaning: where you look up to for help just as subjects are looking up to their rulers for policies that will benefit all.
Earth!
Spiritual meaning: where rain from the Heavens falls to saturate the ground for the production of food and other things needed for life.

So the old heavens means the present human governments making life unbearable for people {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} God never create man to rule over his fellow human because no human can direct his own steps {Jeremiah 10:23} so can such he successfully direct the step of millions with different mindsets?
NO!

The old earth are wicked people who are complaining bitterly about their rulers but at the same time they won't support the policies set by their rulers for things to work out as those ones have planned and if by chance they are also given the chance to become rulers over their people they will do worse than those who ruled them in the past. Isaiah 57:20

In Paradise both will not be part of God's new order because Jesus (the designated King of God's Kingdom) will rule over 144,000 anointed Christians who in turn will rule over their people they are the New Heavens while the New Earth refers to a prepared organized people who have come out of all the nations to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So while the New Heavens (rulers taught by Christ) are playing their part in making the earth a haven their obedient subjects too will be working together with them to give God all the glory as they obediently support their rulers for a paradisic planet earth but what of rebellious people (turbulent SEA) who often makes things difficult for their rulers? Isaiah 57:20
They would have been exterminated all of them! Revelations 21:1 compare to Luke 19:27

paxonel:
New heaven and new earth refers to the Christian faith according to the literal understanding of those scriptures.

So, where is the Christian faith practiced?
It is on this earth ofcourse, it is not practiced in space.
.
This earth will certainly remain forever with people practicing the Christian faith forever without end.

Over 2000 years has counted already

sonmvayina:
By who and how?

Truthseeker10:
Oga you need rest.

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂so what you saw in the spirit realm is not there? Na wa oo

Truthseeker10:
So what you saw in the spirit realm is in those chapters?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂...you are funny. What did Daniel figure out?

Truthseeker10:
How can I find what you claimed to see in the spiritual realm?

Truthseeker10:
Time adjusted from what to what?

Truthseeker10:
What is this new shift all about?

MaxInDHouse:
God never destined anyone to be evil it's totally against His personality each person chose what they want to do with their lives otherwise God is to blame not the evildoers if God destined people.

MaxInDHouse:
According to God's word a faithful servants of God may loose out completely if care is not taken.

“But my righteous one will live by reason of faith,” and “if he shrinks back, I have no pleasure in him.” Now we are not the sort who shrink back to destruction, but the sort who have faith for the preserving of our lives. Hebrews 10:38-39

Remember Judas was with the twelve when they performed miracles in Jesus name {Luke 9:1} he was also with Jesus when all other disciples abandoned Jesus {John 6:64-68} which means he was also faithful from the onset but because he did not remain strong in the faith that's why God was displeased with him!

MaxInDHouse:
Nooooooooo!

This is not what Jesus meant!

Remember Jesus also called Peter "Satan" {Matthew 16:23} that doesn't mean Peter is Satan nah rather Jesus is saying the thoughts running through Peter's mind at that moment originated from Satan.
The same is applicable to Judas Iscariot who was determined to be rich but met his waterloo in the process. 1Timothy 6:6-10
Judas thought he could use a stone to kill two birds by selling Jesus for money and later apologize after all Jesus has disappeared several times escaping assassins sent by Pharisees to kill him {Luke 4:29-30} so Judas' thought was an intelligent one from the viewpoint of any normal human but intelligence doesn't always translate to wisdom he should have listened attentively when Jesus was talking about his last moments on earth! John 14:19 compare to Matthew 7:24-27

Kdon2:
Evil spirit is in you.

MindHacker9009:
Judas helped Jesus to fulfill the mission his father sent him to fulfill and even though the Roman soldiers mocked him and cast lots for his garment and they were not repentant, yet Jesus forgave them, but Jesus could not forgive Judas and his own people and the teachers of the Law by just saying father forgive all his people for they know not what they are doing.

This is prove that the Jesus story we have today was invented by the Roman empire.