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Weah96:
The world needs fewer LIARS. We're being inundated by lies from the mouths of politicians and entertainers, and religionists.

Even native doctors like you used to fear the Gods. What happened?

, native doctor huh bros abeg free me ehn...thanks.

frank317:
You have no answer and you know it... U are going to talk talk and talk and your God will not show.
I wonder how u feel normal talking about an invisible being.

How dyu feel normal sweating on religion section, religion is man made and you dont believe it, now get the heck out and be useful to urself.

menesheh:
Minister of woman affairs. Counsellor

People do call me the former, its all good....The world needs more women who can stand their grounds..

menesheh:
Not at all. I just used it a case study to show how you are subjecting yourself to desist from what you really need and taste for. Break the bound and shackles of ancient Jewish and Roman myth and be free.

I should be free by sleeping with them .....Im a counsellor, i counsel people in relationships, both married and unmarried.....I get interested in details of relationships both from believers and unbelievers....So i need to free myself by having sex with people that i help according to you.....So much for atheism and morality...

Jozzy4:
Can you now see that you dont think before u quote bible .

* " God" did not appear at this verse

*** this verse DID NOT SAY THEY ARE ONE GOD ? DID IT ? Open your eyes , DO U SEE " ONE GOD" IN THAT VERSE ? Chai !


*** it never said " these three are ONE GOD!"

automatic disqualification.

*** if u say their been one = God , then we are all Gods , scripture says " that they may ALL be one JUST AS we are one" john 17:22 ,
, am sure u could discern the meaning of " JUST AS".

*** again , the verse never ever said they are ONE GOD .








# its interesting to know that the oldest greek manuscript do not contain this verse#

The question still stand , show me the verse that said God = three persons ?

"you and your father are one"...."you and your father are both human".......what else do you want me to say this man...i con tire for yhu o.

menesheh:
This what am talking about happening here. I decided to check the profile of the person am having blind argument with. This is what i saw below (screenshot). I said this previously how you people pretend and fake those divine holiness why you really care. 99.9 percent of the people you follow on NL are women. You really need this but decided to be pretending. Goodluck.

So my having numerous female friends now bother you shey, , Having numerous female friends is now tantamount to immorality ,maybe someone like you will then die of wonder if you get to see me in real life with real females.......

menesheh:
That's the point here, religion wanted to subject us to a nonsensical subjective laws, we said no, it ain't gonna be like that. I wonder what you feel is the best moral value.

I wonder what you mean by moral....How can an atheist speak about morality, Why does he even need to be moral, what is his basis for morality.........How some of y'all graduated from uni. beats me

menesheh:
I noticed that your argument is a waste of time. You don't argue like an educated person. You argue off point. See your kind of argument :


What would "debunking atheism" look like?

I don't believe in gods.

"Yes, you do!"

No, I don't.

"Yes, you do!"

I give up.

"Debunked!"

, i argue off point cos i dont give you what you want, or cos its beyond your reasoning which

menesheh:
You have to pick up a class in logic and critical thinking so as have a grip of what argument is all about than Insulting yourself here. Aside from the atheist and theist issue, it gonna help you in your other daily dealings.

You don't just say the answer to this question is something without demonstrating the mechanisms you applied to arrive to that conclusion. I may also propose that the answer to creation is something i feel like (let's say 'shoko'), without my explanation of how i came about it and the overall substantiation of the proposition, it is a crap. Even the most brilliant and sophisticated theologians don't argue this way because they know it is silly.

Lol, you are no critical thinker, cos if you were you wont hold on soo much to a belief that has rendered you close minded....
With respect to creation, ive proven my point with explanations, youve not proven jack even with your standpoint.....all youve done is try to discredit my explanations without giving tangible proofs yourself......
Am i now not more free-thinking than the "free-thinker".

Jozzy4:
Guy , you are complicating issues for youself .



Show me the bible verse that said God is in three persons ?



God the son call upon another God the father , shey ? Just declare urself polythiest



Kindly explain to me "how they exist as one in purpose and essence " ?




Whats this ? Tell me

What is soul ? What is spirit ? What is body ?

1 John 5: 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

menesheh:
First of all, we all are animals, immediate uncles to primates, and mammals. I never said so, i mean being able to choose whichever you want to do your thing, instead of a sky fairy telling you how to do it, and that you are a sinner for so and so. It is absurdity.

Even other animal don't die or harm others after having sex in the public, but i don't encourage that, but telling me it is a sin is nonsensical.

Ok, You are an animal or an immediate uncle to one ...so of all the animals you see, how many sex positions do they engage in....
Your last sentence tho , you have no basis or moral standpoint for discouraging it

menesheh:
I enjoy putting you down logical. Why are pained.

haha, maybe "put down" now has another meaning....
In logic, ive made u and ur sisters dumbfounded...
so i dont know what you mean, You on this hand are now short of words that you ask irrelevant questions.

Jozzy4:
Do you agree with Ebuka that you have two Gods ? Emphasis on "Both"

One God(three persons).....How harder dyu want to make this to be

Jozzy4:
You didnt answer the question.

God himself has come down to earth , so who exactly is God still calling Father since he has come down? ; Another God ?

God in three persons.....God the Son calles upon His Father....they exist as one in purpose and essence.
The same way your spirit and soul exist with your body na, ....
Why dyu want to subject the nature of God to Logic.......God is not human..

frank317:
U obviously have nothing to say. You are screaming and shouting God God God... With nothing to show. You think what you say just makes ur God real? The fact that you are his mouth piece shows that he does not exist.
I have asked you... Why doesn't he want to come and help you out and prove to everyone here that you are really alright.
U know he exists just in your head that's why you are trying so hard. Like I said atheists are here to make u talk and talk until u realize that thats what this is all about. Talking about an invisible being who actually does not exist because if he exists you will not have to talk this much.

Ok, now that you know that your brain was switched off to see alledged in quote, you say im screaming and shouting.
How am i sure your brain is functioning now
You chose to evade my question of why man has to be,
Set your brain back in "motion" and ill give answers to your pain.

frank317:
God is an alleged creator? Lol... So u are here ranting over an assumption.
And you think u should be taken seriously?

You are asking me who I am? Are u comparing me to u assumed creator? I am 100℅ more real than your assumed being. Guy... You seriously need to think deep and use ur brain. Pls.

And I guess you were using your brain when you closed your eyes to the fact that i put the word "alledged" in quote;-\....
Your friends are even more intelligent than you are. i see you are a learner, call them up and let them school you in ignorance...

CaptainJune:
Spoken like a true atheist who ascribes the word 'irrational' to be the exclusive property of the known unknown. When the thought of dividing the atom was first conceived, was it rational? When the giant-winged bird was first conceived, was it rational at the time? When doctors and nurses witnessed the resurrection of some patients who died clinically, was it rational?

While you sit here arguing against the possibility of the afterlife where thousands: christians, pagans, doctors, former atheists, scientists have all testified of its existence, many experentially, and your only argument to the contrary is that 'it is irrational' then you have no claim to intelligence to which you pride yourself of possession by ignoring the huge body of evidence, religious or scientific, in the form of testimonies by these technical and qualified experts and common people, past and present.

When you're told by the media that a strange, undetected phenomenon is responsible for multiple deaths in an area warning people to stay away so as not to risk infection, would it be irrational to heed the warning even if the phenomenon in question is undetected or air-borne or unseen?

Kudos to you bro, if sisters johnydon22 and hahn can answer your last question reasonably, i might just start to take atheists seriously..

frank317:
What

Hmmmm
I recall somone asking if you have a personal issues.

The answer for ur existence is God? How? Who is God?

You should not only recall that question but also ruminate on it, cos it might just help you find answers.......
An "alledged" Creator seems Supreme if He truly exists, dont you think.......so lets start your question right on you, who are you?, why do you have to be?
..those are serious questions if you are open-minded.

CaptainJune:
He has no idea. On the contrary, I doubt he is a God-hater. I think he feels being an atheist is fashionable. This, I believe, explains his naive tone of excitement at listing the worldly pleasures which are the 'exclusive benefits of atheists'.

You have a point though, cos i wonder why one will even list sex as a benefit.

Weah96:
How did life begin? Did someone use your native language to TELL life to begin? Have you seen that kyn thing in nature?

What is this na

Weah96:
Go some where, I'm speaking to people who believe the bible and follow the rules therein. When I get to native doctors, or mad people, I will address you.

No naah, lemme stay on the religious section and talk about God.....but you should ask yourself what you are doing in the religioUs section.
Lol
Job 12:7-25 - But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach
thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:

johnydon22:
More name callings. . . "You are responsible for what you UNDERSTAND" i did not say BELIEVE.... Actually your beliefs are as result of Child indoctrination..

Now read Frank's post that i posted above again. . . Everyone knows Johnydon22 is way too above to engage in a childish discourse as exchanging emotional talks or word salads of ad hominems. .

When you learn how to argue without insults, then we will see if you can be worth engaging by me

You call it childish cos you dont know your way out, ..."Everyone knows you", see how you've made nairaland your life ....
I wont argue age or maturity with you, only insecure kids do that...
Once again loser, "A fool says in his heart, there is no God"-- The Bible..

frank317:
Relax bro... We don't have to put in chains do we. There is no sky daddy pls.
And what is a creator? The man who sits in a chair and builds a mansion for u? The man who loves u but will punish u for not loving him back? The man who helps you find your key when u lost it? Gosssshhhh. Is he the creator?
The creator is the one you speak with in your prayer?

Yet you think you are not crazy?

And there he goes ranting about big bang, lol. You need serious help. And like I said, atheist will always be here to help u out.

You are because a Creator is.....
The answer for my existence is God, yours is chance/physics....who is crazy here .
You and your sisters arnt atheists, atheists wouldnt even be here..
y'all are just god-haters, atheists wannabe's.

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahaha...
Funny enough frank317 already answered you on why many atheist feel the need to come and enjoy religious argument, can simply post his reply again...You are responsible for what you understand.



This simply settles it

Coward, You have to cal on your sister to help you out again......
If truly you think im responsible for what i believe, then what the heck are you still doing here....

CaptainJune:
Excuse me, are you implying that only atheists have the exclusive access to worldly pleasures?

So Christians don't enjoy drinks, cars, travels for pleasure, yachts, sports, sex (as married couples), parties, etc, etc?

My, you're really a kid who thinks atheism is all about enjoyment of worldly pleasures.

Google...please, do yourself a favour and google the meaning of atheism.

He isnt an atheist, real atheists dont care about religion......he is either a God-hater or anti-theist.

menesheh:
Which of the guys. Must you use abusive words in order to make your point.

Pinpoint those immoralities, then tell me reasons why it is. Show me those ones you don't engage or will never engage among those points there.

How are you different from an animal if you go around having sex with random women

nobilis:
I thought as much.
I plead with you to discover what atheism is really about because I honestly suspect you have a shallow knowledge of atheism.

Like he said in his fourth point that "most atheists DONT CARE about religion", and he spends so much time on the religion section, even most of his topics are on religion......The guy is just disturbed.

johnydon22:
[b]
Lol boy calm down. . . You don't know how to argue i suggest you learn it then try engaging me in a meaningful arguement not this your very childish insults, ad hominems and full exhibition of hate and frustration cus you really sound frustrated.

I do not believe the muslim God --- i don't hate the muslim god
i do not believe the hindu God-- i don't hate the hindu god
i do not believe greek God--- I dont hate greek god
I do not believe Judeo/Chrisitan God-- i do not hate the judeo/christian god.

Boy, disbelieve is not synonymous to hate..one can always but wonder how someone can possibly hate that which is just an idea (a concept)

This religious section is not a christian section, it deals with every aspect of theism.
If hindus do so well as bring their myth here, they get equal refutation as you.
If muslims bring it here they get as much as you even traditional religionists and satanist..

This your cry of the victim really won't help you out you will only end up frustrating yourself more and keep on throwing insults at everyone that disbelieves your god concept.

Now calm down: Go and learn how to argue in defence of your beliefs and not insult [/b]

if you feel insulted, Im unapologetic for what the Bible has called you....
i guess you dont believe in fairies but i dont see you talking about them, same goes for magic and related. But i dont see you talking about any except mostly the christian God, even though you try to dilute your hate by mentioning other gods.
This is the religion section and last i checked you believe religion is man made. You shouldnt even be here especially considering the fact that most religions if not all believe in some form of god you claim not to believe or care about....
That you are here points out your concern for God. if you really care about human development, enligthenment or freedom, Go to the family section, politics, job or other sections where you can be of help to others and yourself.....
Atheists dont care about God, but yours is different, you work against Him....Be sincere with yourself and you will see how much of a nuissance you've become.

“WATCH ye therefore, AND PRAY ALWAYS, that ye may be accounted WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” (Luke 21:36)

REASON NUMBER 1: SO THAT YOU MAY STAND TILL THE END One of the cruel realities of the Last Days is that ANY CHRISTIAN that does not become active and vibrant in the place of prayers WILL NOT survive the satanic onslaught of these perilous times. How do we know this for sure? Because one of the strongest strategies that Jesus Christ gave His disciples to combat the end-time is to WATCH and PRAY. Any disciple that does not WATCH in these Last Days is very likely to sink. Any disciple that does not PRAY in these Last Days is very likely to sink. As we see in Luke 21:36, the capacity to stand, and to eventually stand before the Son of Man is contingent on obedience to the directive to WATCH and PRAY. Today, one of the reasons that most of us are not praying is because we are OBLIVIOUS OF THE HUGE DANGER that is confronting us in our days. We have fallen asleep in the midst of the fierce battle that is raging all around us. And this is a battle that will intensify progressively, both in the Church and in the world, until the return of the Lord. And it is a battle that the devil wants to use to capture as many careless Christians as possible. HOW CAN WE AVERT THIS DANGER? Very simple. Every believer must take personal responsibility for praying himself/ herself into watchfulness. Watchfulness is NOT a spiritual gift. So it will not come to us all automatically. Through the help of the Holy Spirit, we must exercise ourselves into the state of alertness and spiritual sharpness in the place of prayers. Prayers that squarely identify and engage with the issues of the Last Days. If Jesus told His disciples to WATCH and PRAY, friends, we dare not ignore this direct command of the Lord – with all the signs that we are seeing all around us daily. Please, watch and pray. Please ASK FOR THE TRUTH.

REASON NUMBER 2: SO THAT JESUS CHRIST MAY BE HONOURED It is the clear will of God that Christ should be honoured, even as He Himself is honoured (John 5:22-23). This is why God gave Jesus a name that is highly exalted above every other name (Philippians 2:9-11). But please ask yourself, is the Church bringing honour to the name of Jesus Christ in our society today? The answer is of course a resounding NO! The Church is neither shining as the light that Jesus called us, nor are we manifesting His awesome power in a world that is both sceptical and cynical about His person and His teachings. This ought to be a matter of grave concern to us as Christians. Many people make the wrong assumption that God will AUTOMATICALLY correct the situation.This is a resounding lie of the devil! God acts in the Church in response to the prayers of His people. God will stand against whatever the Church stands against. And He will tolerate whatever we tolerate. For too long, we have tolerated the rise of darkness in the Church. And this is why darkness has been having a field day in the Church. The Church is neglecting the awesome power of our delegated authority in Christ – “And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matthew 16:19) When we request for reinforcement from heaven against the onslaught of the enemy in the Church, God will respond. He will send help. And He will send it speedily as we UNITE in the name of Christ to ASK FOR THE TRUTH. So, do you have a personal longing to see Christ honoured in our society? Please dedicate yourself to the earnest desire to ASK FOR THE TRUTH.

REASON NUMBER 3: GOD IS WATCHING OUR CONCERN FOR HIS KINGDOM During any period of lukewarmness among His people, God is always on the lookout for those that will stand in the gap against the trend. Those whose hearts are pained by the iniquity among God’s people. From Bible accounts, God ALWAYS has a special blessing for such people, and He exempts them from the awful visitation of judgment (a picture of the rapture?) We see this most clearly in the account of how God cleansed the land in Ezekiel 9 (please read the entire chapter). Speaking to the angels of destruction, from verse 4, “And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and SET A MARK UPON THE FOREHEADS OF THE MEN THAT SIGH AND THAT CRY FOR ALL THE ABOMINATIONS THAT BE DONE in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and SMITE: LET NOT YOUR EYE SPARE, NEITHER HAVE YE PITY: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: BUT COME NOT NEAR ANY MAN UPON WHOM IS THE MARK; AND BEGIN AT MY SANCTUARY. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.” In this very sad episode, God spared those who SIGHED and CRIED against the iniquity in the land. Friend, are you genuinely sighing and crying over the state of the Church today? Or have you adopted the position of an onlooker? We see a somewhat similar example in Malachi 3:16-17, “Then they that feared the Lord SPAKE OFTEN ONE TO ANOTHER: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.” This was their response to the ungodliness with impunity in the land as we read in verses 13-15. They did not keep quiet.... I ask again, does the present state of the Church bother you? Have you been bothered enough to reach out to other believers that share your concern, as the people in the above passage did? Are you reaching out to anybody to pray about the condition of the church? Are you in ANY group that is regularly praying for the urgent visitation of the Lord upon His Church? If so, please take comfort in the words of verse 17 of Malachi 3, “And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.” The Lord will not forget the labour of your love for His Kingdom as you ASK FOR THE TRUTH. Finally, brothers and sisters, when intercession fails, judgment becomes both INEVITABLE and BLOODY as we read in Ezekiel 22:30-31, Isaiah 59:15-18, Isaiah 63:5-6, etc. Once again, in our days, the word of the Lord is ringing out: “And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.” (Ezekiel 22:30). He found NONE at that time, what will He find in our own days: will He find you and I? Will He find us faithful in praying for the Church? Praying for His intervention in the Church as we earnestly ASK FOR THE TRUTH? If this is you, will you please look up in humility to heaven and say to the Lord, “HERE AM I, please send me. Please help me to be faithful. Please help me to earnestly ASK FOR THE TRUTH so that your Church may be healed, and your name glorified. Amen” Thanks for reading, God bless.

johnydon22:
You sound really angry, frustrated and desperate ... Calm down we are not fighting or enemies...Is this how you always react when people do not share your ideologies? You call names and insult?... Hhmmmm alright its a Harper Lee quote by the way, nobody was disputing that, its pretty a common and popular quote

The Bible calls you foolish and i really agree with it.....I cant be angry about irrelevancies, but im irritated that you try to balance your hate....You even go ahead to edit a quote to suit your godhate-balancing......Just admit that you hate the christian God or run away in shame to the muslim section and prove your disbelieve for_allah.

Am i the only one that thinks this guy is just an_idiot ......Why would one be jealous of immorality......who doesnt travel for holidays.

johnydon22:
The Quran/Bible or Hindu shruti in the hand of one man sometimes can be worse than a bottle of whiskey in the hand of another.

There are some kinds of humans who have not finished living this one life everyone is sure is real, are vainfully, greedily chasing after the fantasy of another life after they are DEAD (absence of life).

You can look out of the street and even on nairaland and see the results . .

Fool!!!, thats what you and those ignorantly liking your comments are.
"sometimes the Bible in hand of one man is worse than a
whiskey bottle in the hand...." -- Harper Lee, Miss maudie...whoever this quote belongs to..

The quote you plagiarized is one of hate for the christian God, dont try to balance your hatred by including the quran or shruti.......If you feel the same way about allah, go to islams page.