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dalaman:
Your dishonesty is hurting you. Where is your evidence that Yahweh created humans?

Guy, I never mentioned Yahweh on this thread, neither did I say that God created humans.

I'm simply asking, what is the evidential history of humans?

Is this too difficult to understand?

RuthlessLeader:
How does mao zedong concern me? is this how you argue? when all else fails call mao zedong`s name?
Did you know that hitler loved dogs? does that mean that all dog lovers are nazis?
Your friend loser0/100 winner 01 said i should be a freethinker, yet you and he quote bible verses and curse people instead of bringing convincing evidence for your murderer of a god. A god who create a whole 13.7 billion light year universe with one hundred billion galaxies each galaxy having billions of stars yet decided that the best course of action when dealing with adam and eve was to curse them and their innocent descendants. A god who wants all people to worship him, yet appears to only a group of nomads in the desert, orders them to kill anyone in the area instead of creating a new one or even appearing to the chinese who had record keeping then and would have recorded such a fantastic event.
In essence you and winner loser are the real children over here, with your poor reasoning and hypocrisy.

Are you suggesting that "God is evil", therefore God does not exist?

budaatum:
No one said anything about evolution, yet. Stop filling the gaps with projections!

Humans, the most sophisticated machine we know and have been trying so hard to make a replica, can you give an evidential history of humans?

budaatum:
Science might have no explanation for a mysterious activity, but that's no reason to fill the gap with just about anything!

I'll give examples of atheists using atheism of the gaps, in my new thread.

Butterflyleo:
Can you show me the first man or group of people who "invented" God?

I need evidence for your claim and not your usual nonsense you always type. Can you show them to me now?

Dalaman go answer this? Make I bend

Butterflyleo:
You just killed your entire argument. Lmao

I tell you Bro

RuthlessLeader:
Look at this guy oo. So are you saying that religious people don`t call out their leaders?

Oh, sorry I forgot you are an african christian who will listen to their pastor even if he tells them drink fuel and is never wrong when he makes a prediction. Smh.

lol, naso...

Give me the ratio of people calling out Buhari and Osibanjo on the basis of their religion. In that, you'll find what true religion is.

hopefulLandlord:
Why does their opinion matter here? I'm me and I've given you my answer

I rarely see you creating arguments on why FSM created humans.

I'm simply calling on your brothers to do justice to this claim the way they do justice to everything else

RuthlessLeader:
Christianity: PEACE, LOVE and ACCEPTANCE.

My God!!!, such honesty from an atheist.

Dalaman, hopefulLandlord, Seun, Cutemadridsta, Hahn, Superhumanist, Budaatum etc, do you agree that this is what Christianity stands for?

RuthlessLeader:
Because jesus called them out on their hypocrisy and ridiculed them

How would a religious person call out religious leaders who acts as "Gods mouthpiece"?
You do not know what religion is.

RuthlessLeader:
I don`t think god will be happy with your language

God said the words Bullsh*t or F*in are forbidden?

But according to you, God does not exist?

Are you using God as a standard to tell me what is right or wrong?

Smh.

Your initial reply was real Horseshoe*t, atheists have no relationship with reality or any other nonsense you make up?

hopefulLandlord:
What logical argument have you done here?

FSM created humans fully formed

Dalaman, Budaatum, Seun, Superhumanist etc do you guys also agree with this?

winner01:
If you truly side with history, tell me the history of humans, based on evidence..

HopefulLandlord, will you ever answer this question?

hopefulLandlord:
His impeccable logic states that if you can't explain it then Yahweh did it

I've not mentioned Yahweh on this thread. Stop wishing I did. Argue logically, what evidential history can you give for the existence of humans.

Or did humans appear at once and fully formed?

Cc: Dalaman??

I guess no atheist will ever answer this question honestly and the reason is obvious

dalaman:
I am not an evolutionists, so direct your nonsense somewhere else pls.

Do you have evidence to show me that humans were created by Yahweh? Where is it? I don't want your empty lies and useless assumptions.

lol. Simple question. What evidential facts do you have for the existence of humans?

Butterflyleo:
Winner01 I think this guy is a fresh hatchling going by his logical reasoning . is he worth attention?

He's fresh from the oven, I don't think he's worth any, maybe when he cools down in the next few months.

RuthlessLeader:
Fail. Jesus was a Jew and supported the Jewish laws and traditions, though he might have softened some of the more stringent rules. Nevertheless, if you do not observe the Halakha, the collective body of Jewish religious laws, you cannot consider yourself to be a follower of Jesus. If you do not attend synagogue, you cannot be a follower of Jesus. If you do not observe the Sabbath, from Friday evening to Saturday evening, you cannot be a follower of Jesus. If you do not observe the requirement of circumcision, you cannot be a follower of Jesus. If you do not observe the kosher dietary rules, you cannot be a follower of Jesus.

To summarize, you can consider yourself to be a Christian, but you are not a follower of Jesus. If Jesus could observe your life, he would not consider you to be his disciple. You are not a follower of the real Jesus. Instead, you are a follower of the fictional Jesus created by Paul, the Gospel authors, the Emperor Constantine, and all the popes and religious leaders over the past 20 centuries.

How come the consistent enemies of Jesus were religious leaders?

RuthlessLeader:
lol. like how you quote bible verses for us right?

That quote does not belong to you, when you quote people, reference them. You are a thief if you don't.

RuthlessLeader:
Atheism: It isn’t a religion, it’s a relationship with reality. Atheists aren`t atheists because of some benefit, we are who we are because we finally realise that we don’t want to be good people so we can live with God after we die. We want to be good people so we can live with ourselves while we are alive.

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Bullsh*t!!! Pure Bullsh*t!!!

What fu*ked up right do you have to tell these
other atheists that they are wrong:

RuthlessLeader:
It is but arguing with a Christian is like playing chess with a pigeon. You could be the greatest player in the world, but the pigeon will still knock over all the pieces, sh/t on the board, and strut around triumphantly. No matter the evidence that is brought up, you will cling to your God because you are afraid of exercising your brain and going to hell for it.

I remember this quote from one of the 4-horsemen of atheism, I can't remember whose is it exactly.

Be a freethinker for once.

RuthlessLeader:
Argumentum ad populum. The fact that 2.1 billion people believe that God sacrificed God to God to save God’s creations from God does not in any way mean that they are correct and if they were, we would expect to see this in our observation of daily life now wouldn`t we?

How are we able to observe the correctness of atheism in the daily lives of atheists?


You started the population argument by saying people are turning away from Christianity, I simply gave you the facts. I'm well aware the the validity of Christianity must be argued on other grounds.

hopefulLandlord:
History of humans would show the first human was made from a bone? or the first man from dust?

Don't change the topic, stay on it! tell us how your imaginary friend created ocean from spoken words

What is the evidential history of humans, shouldn't this be a very easy question for you?

hopefulLandlord:
The dishonesty is the uselessness of those in this conversation

smh

RuthlessLeader:
do you know why people give up on christianity? It is because the evidence failed to support the purported claims and I actually care if what I believe is factually true or not.

lol, people have been giving up on Christianity, yet Christianity is still more than 1/3 of the total worlds population while atheism keeps regressing

hopefulLandlord:
I have the right to tell you anything I damn please and you have the right to do the same to me. its up to the listener to rebutt/ignore/accept what the other says

Good reason why your evidence for the supernatural are borne out of ignorance (argumentum as ignorantiam) and attempt at plugging in Jewish mythology to address the ignorance

So many "Supernatural" claims of the past have been found out today and moved away from the supernatural so forgive me for siding with history once again rather than accepting Jewish mythology as the explanations

If you truly side with history, tell me the history of humans, based on evidence..

Butterflyleo:
Words create your reality whether you believe it or not. Reality is made up of your language being projected and those words create reality. This is all by willful choice of course, and can change along with the change of your will. You could say WORDS ARE LIVING THINGS BECAUSE WORDS CREATE!

Psychologists know this and you would often hear a psychologist saying that our subconscious mind interprets what it hears quite literally. The words that come out of our mouth therefore create the reality we dwell in.

Unconsciously a lot of people sabotage their success simply by using language that undermines their opinions and rather amplifies their problems and eats away at their confidence.

The words that come out of your mouth create the reality you dwell in for real and whatever direction your words lead, your mind, body and environment will follow. If you use positive language about yourself and your ability to learn new skills, achieve greater goals and rise above difficulties, then that’s what will show up externally.
Likewise, if you're continually saying things that affirm incompetence, hopelessness, anxiety or pessimism, then that will also shape your reality. It may sound crazy, but over time your world will metamorphosise to mirror your words. This is the trick behind brainwashing and also the sad reality about the hopelessness of atheism and why a lot of them are depressed and suicidal. Its simply because their reality is viewed as hopeless (which by the way is the truth) so the more they dwell in that reality and declare that reality in words, the more their world morphs into that reality.

This is highly intelligent, I hope they can understand.

hopefulLandlord:
Wakanda dishonesty is this?

Dishonesty?

So I didn't prove that mere words can create a scene or a living?

Nawa ...

hopefulLandlord:
If a mysterious activity happens in my presence I'd say I have no idea how it happened but we should scrutinise it and try to understand how it happened. that's sincerity

But if its a religious person he quickly concludes his flavour of imaginary friend is responsible for it. this sounds dubious and history has never favoured this line reasoning cuz so many things that were assumed to "Defy Nature" and explanations in the past have been unraveled and now known so forgive me for siding with scientific history that's been found to be reliable rather than plugging whatever I don't understand with Jewish mythology like you're doing.

Whenever science cant answer something, religion jumps on the band wagon and says "aha" god is behind it! Then science finds that answer and religion is pushed back to find another mystery science can't answer to go "aha" again.

1. You have no right to tell me what science can do and what it can't.
2. This is a good reason why nothing will serve as evidence of the supernatural for the atheist.

dalaman:
What caused or created human beings? How can we know that your answer is objectively true and not based on lies or empty assumptions?

Evidentially, humans "appeared" on earth, fully formed and this is why we do not see innumerable transitional forms of evolving humans as postulated by Darwin.

In the 19th century, Charles Darwin himself struggled with the the fact that the fossil record failed to support his conclusions and he wrote the following
“Why,” he asked, “if species have descended from other species by fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why do we not find them imbedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth?”
“The number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed, [must] be truly enormous,” he wrote. “Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory”



To buttresses the fact that humans appeared fully formed, the late Harvard University paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould is perhaps today’s best-known popular writer on evolution. An ardent evolutionist, he collaborated with Professor Eldredge in proposing alternatives to the traditional view of Darwinism. Like Eldredge, he recognized that the fossil record fundamentally conflicted with Darwin’s idea of gradualism.
“The history of most fossil species,” he wrote, “includes two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism [gradual evolution from one species to another]:
“1. Stasis. Most species exhibit no directional [evolutionary] change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking pretty much the same as when they disappear; morphological [anatomical or structural] change is usually limited and directionless.
“2. Sudden appearance. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors: it appears all at once and ‘fully formed’”



If you have evidence of innumerable transitional fossils of humans, take the word "innumerable" seriously, not one LUCY, or two Homo habilis, or three pieces of extinct Australopithecus africanus, constructed by otherwise scientists, in furthering their cause.
Direct me to the innumerable transitional fossils. Of you can't, it means you agree that humans appeared once and fully formed. And this means you are proposing that a super-complex machine like the human is capable of appearing from thin air.

Butterflyleo:
Absolutely, fantastically, AMAZINGLY RIGHT!

Despite claiming to be an agnostic and an "I don't know" merchant he still pulls the atheism of the gaps delusion.

Its why atheism will accept almost no evidence for God. Ill open a thread on this soon. Thanks bro.

hopefulLandlord:
Do that and let's see

A.Y, a comedian in Nigeria, has created a living for himself and his family using spoken words.

I can also go to Aso rock with a few thugs, and chant "death to Buhari", this will cause a scene.

Are you with me?

Butterflyleo:
Honda accord was caused and also created into being.

The cause / creators --- the minds of the inventors of motor parts, body designs, functions, motion, etc all came together to contribute tweaks and improvements which ended up with the Honda accord.

Those whose minds imagined and practicalised this vehicle were themselves caused by something else. Just like winner01 said, a first cause can cause a ripple effect which brought about other effects which, if without the first cause, such ripple effects could not have existed or have been created so in truth all that came about via the ripple effect owe their existence or creation to the first cause for without it there is no them.

Budaatum, dalaman, hopefulLandlord and co. Why don't you get the whole point even after its been beautifully simplified like this