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budaatum:
Are causes and creators the same thing, in you opinion?

budaatum:
Don't get this. Why believe Honda Accord was formed over millions of years? Are you suggesting it evolved into being?

hopefulLandlord:
Its called "god of the gaps", they look for something we haven't been able to explain (properly) then insert their favourite mythology as the explanation and hope you take it at face value

hopefulLandlord:
They're conflating theological claims with scientific ones. I'll take their claims serious when they create Honda cars with spoken words

MuttleyLaff:
Yup, created a scene and fist-fight out of nothing
Cooked up a scrumptious dish out of nothing

The universe was created out of nothing
The waters (i.e. oceans) is "creatio ex-materia"

budaatum:
Or at least tell us the process by which it was created.

dalaman:
He should tell us when he saw the oceans been created.

budaatum:
I too have not seen a Honda Accord created. But I can find out if it was, how it was, where it was, and who created it, easily. I can, if I am so concerned, even go watch a Honda Accord created by a creator, from scratch.

There does not seem to exist, the evidence for the creator you mention though, or that everything that exists was created.

budaatum:
Listen to what others are saying a bit. True, anything that is created requires a creator. It's not yet agreed that everything that exists is created by a creator.

Work with dalaman to flesh this understanding out please.

dalaman:
Ogbeni are ice crystals the creators of snow? Yes or no?

sKeetz:
....Compare the human body with?? In what terms are you asking? The human body as we know it now is as a results of millions of years of evolution by means of natural selection. The evidence to this is in every sphere of life such as in bacteria, dogs and even whales.

sKeetz:
The claim that life forms and the universe must have been intelligently designed is riddled with fallacies which I could go into details if you would permit me. If everything was designed, what can we make of a designer that has left billions of his designs to die of diseases,wars, natural disasters and starvation. Your so called intelligent designer, it seems; has a very poor maintenance culture. It would interest you to know that 98% of species that ever existed on earth are currently extinct. Now, that is surely the handwork of a not so intelligent designer.

sKeetz:
Even if an intelligent designer was proven to be true; you'll still have your work cut out for you. You would now have to prove that he is your own version of god; that he needs to be worshiped in the exact manner which you do and that he needs your money in form of tithes etc.

dalaman:
Ice crystals created snow abi?

budaatum:
So, in the process of a rock forming, would you say, what caused the formation of the rock is the creator?

budaatum:
How do you determine what a "Creator" is?

budaatum:
No I have not seen "creation" without a "creator". But I have seen things that exist without a creator. And I repeat, a rock.

I see a rock exists, but I cannot honestly say I saw a creator creating rocks. And its process of formation does not include a creator. It would even be dishonest to call a rock, a creation of a creator as rock formation does not require such an external agent to occur.

In effect, I have seen things in existence that have not been created by a creator. A rock.

budaatum:
Are they formed by a creator?

CAPSLOCKED:

I WONDER WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT ABOVE.

hopefulLandlord:
How do you determine what a "Creation" is?

budaatum:
Yes, a common stone!

CAPSLOCKED:

I WANT TO SEE THIS PERSON AS WELL..

AND KICK HIS FACE FOR DECIDING TO NOT SEND SNOW TO NIGERIA.

dalaman:
Show me the creator of snow.

budaatum:
Snow has a creator? Little beings working in a factory in the sky dropping small drops of ice cold water perhaps?

dalaman:
Yes.

superhumanist:
Yes. Fulgurite.

dalaman:
Obgeni, show me the creator of the earth and when exactly did you see him/ her or it since you said every creation you've seen has a creator.

dalaman:
Show me the creator of the earth and when did you see him? It is not common sense, it's common assumption.

dalaman:
Your baseless assumption that lacks an iota of evidence.

sKeetz:
are you comparing me to a so called omnipotent being? He should know better.

solite3:
Nice thread

dalaman:
Muslims say Allah is the only true God.

What is God and why does it exist?

Emmanystone:
My skin is as thick as a Car Tire.

sKeetz:
Intelligent design yet there are more than 4000 genetic diseases. Where's the intelligence in that? Lol