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Na wa oh, fart is not lady like so a lady should hold the bad stuff cos she wants to impress,if she had done it in public it will be a different case but she did it with her man,when a lady farts without shame in ur presence it shows how open she is and that she is not pretending or forming. i fart around my husband and depending on his mood he may scold me,spank me or keep quiet and wait for revenge which to me is more dangerous cos he knows how to cook terrible smelly fart and he will hug tight and give me the smelly thing till i almost faint, its a joke around the house wen we are alone so my guy be real and stop looking for some flimsy excuse to dump this girl

Finally located a mechanic who seems to know his onions. Was able to scan my lion and reset the anti pollution fault using a pp2000, dint need to replace the oxygen sensor as I feared. Decided to try his knowledge with the little I ve gathered from the house, so I asked him if I should remove my car thermostat, he advices against it and went on to explain the uses of the thermostat which was very much in line with most of what I have heard on this forum. He also advised I replace my Timing Belt when my mileage clocks 80,000. Paid him 3000 naira for his services which I had to bargain cuz he asked for 5000naira anyway.

Watched him scan my lion and realised the whole process is not actually rocket science so I hope to get a pp2000 and learn how to scan my car myself. Paying 5000k for each scanning will have me covering the cost of a Lexia 3 in just about six diagnoses.
Decided I ll just change my timing belt and get that done with so my car can reach the bill of health I desire for her.Loving my fox by the day guys!!!

ziccoit: I will mail you too.

kk

Ikenna351: From the result of the test, your thermostat is still intact, likewise the factory connection of your radiator fan. It should take more than 30 mins for the fan to start spinning at cold start without A/C on. So, enjoy your ride.

As for the check engine light, find a scanner that can communicate with the engine ECU and rease the fault stored in the ECU. The check engine light will go off and the Anti-pollution fault warning will stop beeping.

Ikenna

Will do than ASAP from what I have observed preliminarily, the fuel consumption of my lion is on the high side. would get the lion scanned and reset. Hoping I don't get to replace Catalytic converter oh!! My pocket is reading red!!

@ Ikenna.Hope you had a nice day!

Did a test this morning to test for thermostat with atmospheric temperature @ 27 degrees.Switched on the ignition and left it on for about 30 seconds without starting the car to see of the ANTI POLLUTION FAULT showing on display would go but it didn't so I started the engine and allowed it to idle. Noticed that the fan didn't start with the car unlike the past 2 days and realised that connecting the CTS connector properly had solved more problems than i realised . Upper radiator hose got hot after about 10 mins of engine idle with the temperature gauge at 90 degrees (which it had reached 3mins earlier after about 7-8mins of engine idle) while the lower radiator hose was still cold, lower radiator hose got warm after about 15mins of engine idle; all the while fan didn't come on and A.C was off as you recommended.

so it looks like my lion still has its factory connection and the fan coming on immediately engine was switched on was caused by the CTS connector issue then. Hope am right?

tundesto: Clean ride! Please I will need your assistance to provide me some information as I want to get exactly this ride next month. I will PM you now. Or please email me tundeogunrinde at yahoo dot com. Replace at with @ and dot with .

No problem. You can mail me: wisesystem2002@gmail.com

Ikenna351: Congrats!

About the check engine light and Anit-pollution fault still showing, the ECU has to be cleared of those faults before they could go away. A scanner can erased them. But, they may go off on their own, after a while. It will take sometime for the ECU to re-learn. But try this: Switch on the ignition and leave it on for more than 10 seconds, without starting the car. Or you can disconnect the battery for 1 hour or more. It works on non-BSI cars, but i have never tried it on my D9, since i havent gotten any check engine light. It may work on the BSI Lions. But you need to be careful with disconnecting the battery head(s). It has a procedure which i believe you are already aware of. But a scanner will simply erase or reset the Engine ECU for you.



Since the CTS lost it connection with the ECU, the car had been running rich all those while, from Cotonu to your place. So, thats why you are getting Anti-polltion fault. You should have black sooth on the tail exhaust opening, unless you have washed it off. Even your spark plugs will be covered in black sooth as well. It will take time to clear.

On a sad note, i just hope your oxygen sensor is still good. Why? Because the excess unburnt fuel going out via the exhaust may contaminate the oxygen sensor mounted on the exhaust or cat converter and kill it. Oxygen sensor hates contamination. Its a main killer of the sensor. But lets hope yours its still ok.

As for the constant spinning of the fan, if you were in Abuja, I would have asked you to bring the car to reverse the connection to factory.

As for testing the working of the thermostat, make sure the AC is switched off.

The truth is, when you understand Peugeot Electrical system or how it works, you will find it very simple to troubleshoot, no matter how complex the system is.

Ikenna.

Thanks. Yes am conversant with battery removal procedure for 406. would try both methods and see if I ll be fortunate to get the check engine light wiped off. Come to Abuja every fortnight so I ll gladly wait for the opportunity to have you reset the fan to factory settin if I dont get a convincingly capable electrician. There is a Peugeot dealership outfit somewhere in Makurdi, ll check them out tomorrow to see what they ve got. With regards to scanning my lion, will a universal car scannig do the job or do i insist on getting access to a peugeot plant 2000? Do have a great evening man. Danke!

Ikenna351: 1. Sounds like your CTS is faulty, which could be why you are getting Anti-pollution fault warning and non functional temp guage on the cluster. Can you check if the CTS connector is properly pushed into the sensor? The sensor is on the Thermostat housing. How to locate it? Follow the radiator upper hose to where it stopped on the engine. Thats the t-stat housing. You should see a sensor with green plastic connector around it, which has 2 wire connector. Gently pull out the connector and push it back in. Check if the temp guage has started working. From the reapir manual, all EW series have the same cooling system set up, i.e, it has only one temp sensor which controls both the Temp guage, radiator fan and signals to engine ECU, just like my ES9J4S (D9 V6). But the XU10 & ES9J4 (D8 V6) have 3 temp sensors, which perform different functions. Anyway, you can still test the working of the CTS manually, to determine if it has failed or not. It has to be test with DMM. Can you do that?

Ikenna.

Bravo!!! tO Ikenna the Lion King!!!!!
U got it spot on my broda, traced the CTS connector following the radiator upper hose and noticed that the CTS connector wasnt properly connected. fitted it properly and like magic STOP LIGHT gone; COOLANT TEMPERATURE GUAGE WORKING AND NOT EXCEEDING 90C; COOLANT TEMPERATURE WARNING ON DISPLAY GONE! A million tanks my brother. The CHECK ENGINE LIGHT remains though. With the temperature guage now working i ll do another test tomorrow morning to know at what temperature the thermostat actually opens. 'Anti pollution fault' still showing though but wiyh your help i know i ll get there. tanks a lot Ikenna I appreciate...

Ikenna351: Wow! You got a clean nice looking lion.

Now, we all can now see that EW7 & EW10 look alike.

Will reply your earlier post when i get to office.

Ikenna

Tanks my Broda. Thats the reason am all over you probing for solutions to 'would be' problems. looking at doing a lot of preventive maintenance on my lion. The milage count is reading 69 000 and some fractions so i think i have a relatively early start to give the best care to my lion... and can forget about Timing Belt issues for now. will wait for your response. Danke

n.b
never knew a Peugeot could have a sound system so cool... Am greatly impressed.

pic of my fox

Ikenna351: That a radiator fan continues to spin after switching off the engine, does not mean the thermostat is still intact. There is a simple method of knowing if your thermostat is missing or failed which i have described on many occassion. I recently explained the details after my D9 purchase. Try and rewind back to that page. Someone also did the same test in his 407 recently and updated us. The test has to be done when engine is cold in the morning via upper and lower radiator hoses.

As for your, temp gauage, Coolant temp & Anti-pollution issues, sorry to hear that. But its not a big deal. But i need more details first.

About the "Coolant Temperature too high", when does that warning shows on the display? As soon as the engine starts running (even when cold) or after the engine has ran for a while?

For your temperature guage. XU10 engine has 3 temp sensors on the thermostat housing lined up together, vertically. The 1st one on top, with green plastic cover, is the CTS that signals to Engine ECU the temp of coolant, to determine amount of fuel injectors will inject when engine is cold or hot. One of 2 below is the temp sender that controls the temp guage on the instrument cluster. The last one is a thermistor that signals to coolant temperature control unit, the coolant temp. The control unit uses the signal receives to control the AC condenser and radiator fan: when to spin and at what speed. Am not sure about EW7 set up, but i want to believe it has the same cooling system set up with EW10. Will check the repair manual and get back to you on that.

As for the Anti-pollution warning, i want us to sort out the "Coolant Temperature too high" before i go into this one. Am suspecting something, but i need to be sure before i say it.

Ordinally, i would have advised you scan the car. But scanning it without pp2000 wont give you full result.

If i may ask, does the engine check light remains on constantly when engine is running?

Ikenna

My findings this morning
1. Coolant Temperature Warning comes on as soon as the engine starts running

2. Check Engine Light remains on display all through a 20minute engine idle

3. Ran a test for Thermostat using your model, upper hose warms after about 5mins or so and got hotter after 15mins. Lower hose remained cold after the same time.

4. Car fan starts immediately Engine comes on and continues for a while after engine is shut .

your informed opinion is desperately craved. tank you.

Ikenna351: That a radiator fan continues to spin after switching off the engine, does not mean the thermostat is still intact. There is a simple method of knowing if your thermostat is missing or failed which i have described on many occassion. I recently explained the details after my D9 purchase. Try and rewind back to that page. Someone also did the same test in his 407 recently and updated us. The test has to be done when engine is cold in the morning via upper and lower radiator hoses.

As for your, temp gauage, Coolant temp & Anti-pollution issues, sorry to hear that. But its not a big deal. But i need more details first.

About the "Coolant Temperature too high", when does that warning shows on the display? As soon as the engine starts running (even when cold) or after the engine has ran for a while?

For your temperature guage. XU10 engine has 3 temp sensors on the thermostat housing lined up together, vertically. The 1st one on top, with green plastic cover, is the CTS that signals to Engine ECU the temp of coolant, to determine amount of fuel injectors will inject when engine is cold or hot. One of 2 below is the temp sender that controls the temp guage on the instrument cluster. The last one is a thermistor that signals to coolant temperature control unit, the coolant temp. The control unit uses the signal receives to control the AC condenser and radiator fan: when to spin and at what speed. Am not sure about EW7 set up, but i want to believe it has the same cooling system set up with EW10. Will check the repair manual and get back to you on that.

As for the Anti-pollution warning, i want us to sort out the "Coolant Temperature too high" before i go into this one. Am suspecting something, but i need to be sure before i say it.

Ordinally, i would have advised you scan the car. But scanning it without pp2000 wont give you full result.

If i may ask, does the engine check light remains on constantly when engine is running?




Ikenna

Thanks Ikenna, I ll do the TEST FOR THERMOSTAT this morning and make observations on the CHECK ENGINE LIGHT and also observe how long it takes before the COOLANT TEMPERATURE WARNING comes on and get back yo you. Appreciate your time sir.

wisesystem: pics of my fox

Aarrrgh!!pics of my fox wont upload... guess I ll have to resize

@ ikenna. Tanks for your help was able to change the multi funtion display language to English. Also change oil using quartz 7000 but my lion still keeps showing the STOP sign. Also displaying on the diplay is 'COOLANT TEMPERATURE TOO HIGH' and 'ANTI-POLLUTUON FAULT', and my lions coolant temperature guage seems not to be working, simply not rising an inch. I think the car thermostat is intact as the car fan continues to spin even when car engine is cut of. yet to find where i can scan my lion. In the interim, is there anything you think I can do? or safe measures to take? Tanks in advance.

wisesystem: Aight Bro, would do that as soon as I get back from service. Danke!!

pics of my fox

Ikenna351: At last! Congrats!

Yes, Total Quartz 7000 15W 50 is the right oil.

As for the language thing on the multi-function display screen, you will see 2 buttons on both sides of the screen. Switch on the ignition, press and hold the left side button (drivers side). After some seconds, the display will start blinking. The 1st to appear will be "Language: French". Language will remain stable, while French will be blinking. Press the right side button (passenger side) on the screen to change the language to whichever one you like. About 5 languages or so will appear each time you press the right button. When you get to the language you want, press the left button, which serves as enter and it will bring up other function which you may like to change, like temperature type, time (24 hrs or 12 hrs), time setting & date setting. Use right button to select what you want and use the left button to save it.

Keep us updated. Congrats again on your newly acquired Lion.

Ikenna

Aight Bro, would do that as soon as I get back from service. Danke!!

Hurray!!!!! Received delivery of my 2002 model 406 yesterday night. she came looking quite elegant... defying all the mud and dirt our nigerian roads threw at her through a 10hr trip from Lagos to Makurdi with her total milage reading 69 thousand miles/kilometers( dont know which actually). Cant wait to take her for a hot shower after service today.

Sadly she arrived with a blinking STOP sign [ :' (which I suspect has to do with the oil level as the greedy agent I paid to bring it down confessed he didnt change oil but added a litre on the way. would check the oil level this morning to see for myself.

Another source of worry is that the temperature guage didnt even reach the half way mark after the ten hour trip, infact it was barely up, so I ll follow Ikenna's proposed thermostat check procedure later today to know if there's a thermostat in my fox or not. Hope to upload pictures of her after her shower and make up. Wishing you all a pleasant day!


@ Ikenna. I beleive Quartz 7000 15w-50(Total) is the ideal oil for my fox? Also my fox seems to know how to speak only french. what can i do about that?

Ikenna351: Well, if you must wash with pressured water pump, the Alternator must be well covered with plastic leather bag. Also, water must not enter your bellhousing (for manual transmission). It could ruin the throw out bearing.

The engine ECU is in plastic box, on the right side, behind the right side headlight. The platic box should prevent water from entering it. But i would cover that box with plastic bag to be on the safe side. Likewise, the BSM, 2nd fuse box, in the engine bay is in a plastic box, behind the battery box. I would cover the box too. Note that the BSI, Immobilizer and engine ECU gets its power feed from the BSM. Dont play with that box.

Thats all i can think off right now. Looking forward to see your FOX pics.

Ikenna.

Tanks will take note while supervising the scrub she will get as welcome. pics of the fox being uploaded is a sure bet Jah willing.

@ Ikenna. read somewhere on this thread about the danger of using spray-pump(while washing) on 406 engines, something about water gettin into some not-water-friendly-parts. Am hoping to receive delivery of my new fox and would want to give it a welcome shower. Any useful information would be appreciated. Tanks

@ House. Expect pictures of my new fox sooooooooooooooooon!!!

Amaizu: Pls post pics of the Lion when it eventually arrives. I use a PAN Assembly Peugeot 406,1.8,8V,Assembled in 2006(the rest of the world stopped 406 production in 04).The 8V Engine is common but the 16V is a rarity.It would be great to see how the 1.8L 16V Engine looks like in view of Ikenna's comment somewhere as regards its similarity to the 2.0L Engine.
UCHE

Will surely do that.

A million thanks Ikenna for assisting with a VIN check on a lion. Good news incoming, kindly refer to the thread on "FREE VIN CHECK" for preliminary information on how it all went. Thanks Brother!!!!

peace777: Ikenna i cant thank you enough.

Ikenna was able to help scanned my Lion (607 Hdi) over the weekend.

I really appreciate you.

Thanks.

I feel you brother, rarely you find people ready to help a brother in need. Ikenna is sincerely driven by a passion for the Peugeot brand and all users of such brand. what beats my imagination is all the stick he gets from some forum members who simply look at only the negative side of people... Viva the Peugeot brand!! Salute to our Mod. I love this thread!!!

abdulkadir: For those in abuja i learnt some togoleese fellow who rebuilds auto tranny. Specifically he rebuilt the AL4 of 406 dt i know. i used d car while I was in abuja erlier dis wk and it was ok.
as soon as i get his contact i wld let d hse know. But you have to book ahead, it cld take months.

Great news! Pls lets have it as soon as.

aaidel: It simply means that the topic starter has been looking at an explanation as to what the American VIN-number positions mean. European VIN-number directives aren't as stringent as their American equivalent. They're still based on the same ISO 3779 procedure but they don't require the year of manufacture (position ten), the factory code (position eleven) or the accuracy check number (position nine), nor the VDS (positions three to eight) for the model description.
The way Toyota VIN-numbers are made up is manufacturing country (position one), factory location (position two), division of Toyota responsible for that model (position three), body shape (position four and five), model code (position six to nine), assembly line (position ten and eleven) and finally the serial number (position twelve to seventeen). For lines in which more than 999999 serial numbers are being used, the last position of the assembly line will change a digit to allow another 999999 serial numbers.
In recent years due to the proliferation of different submodels and the use of five-digit model codes, the body shape and model code positions have changed from their actual meaning (for instance ..LBTA60... meant LiftBack TA60 model or ..COAW11... meant COupe AW11 model) to a sort of code based on the ISO 3779 VSD requirements allowing more possibilities.

thats from toyota owners club the gist of the matter seems to be that only american prodeced models have the year of production as the tenth digit for other european models its not certain.
P.S if the parts of a vehicle are imported largely from a different country it might not be designated as an american produced vehicle despite being assembled there.

very informative addition, more like the exception to the general rule of VIN classification. very much appreciated broda!

Ikenna351: To the best of my knowledge, CTS is the only injection sensor that reports to ECU the Coolant temperature. So, for him to be getting "Coolant Temperature too high", thats the only sensor i could think of for now.

A cold engine needs excess fuel to be able to start and run. The CTS makes that happen. When you switch on the ignition, the CTS will signal to ECU the temperature of the coolant. Then the ECU will use the signal/vlues it receives from the CTS to determine amount of fuel the injectors spray into the combustion chambers via intake valves. If the signal it receives from CTS is 3 volts, the CTS will command the injectors to spray in excess fuel for the engine to be able to start. 3 volts value from CTS means engine is coolant/engine is cold. As the engine is running, the coolant is getting warm and hotter quickly, made possible by Thermostat. As it coolant gets hot, the CTS volts value reduces upto 1 volts or a little less than 1 volt. At such value, the ECU will reduce the amount of fuel the injectors spray in (closed loop). Thats why when you remove and run your engine without thermostat, your CTS will always be reporting or sending high volt values to the engine ECU, making the ECU to be commanding injectors to be spraying in excess fuel. ECU works or manages the engine with signals it receives from various injection (and ignition) sensors/components.

Oxygen sensor comes in to perform its function when CTS must have done its part when engine its started for the first few minutes of engine running. Oxygen sensor has to heat first before it can work. Thats why the universal 02 sensor has heater, while the non-universal o2 sensor is mounted closer or on exhaust manifold for it to heat faster. So, while oxygen sensor is heating, the CTS is taking care of the required fuel the engine needs at every coolant temperature, before the o2 comes in to function. The functions of other fuel consumption controlled sensors (MAF/AFM/MAP, IAT, etc) are left out in the above explanations.

To understand me better, locate your CTS (its a sensor with green plastic connector near Thermostat housing), pull out the connector, start the engine, go the tail of your car and see how black the smoke your exhaust will be emitting

Ikenna.

Gracias Mod! Very clear.

bioye: Thank you Ikenna for the quick response. Guess what, I was already planning on saving 150k for a new engine. Though I was also thinking that as long as I rely on these 'wack' 'mechanics', I would end up in the same situation.

Yep. I stay in Abuja - Apo Legislative Quarters. I believe by DMM, you mean Digital Multimeter. I don't own one and guess I have to learn to use it. Online, I see I can get it for about $20. Can you recommend where to get one in Abuja and how much?

How do I confirm the extent of havoc the mechanic has wrecked on the car? Are there physical inspections I can carry out or do I need to run a diagnostic tool on the engine? Though the dashboard shows enough oil, when I gauged the oil it was too low. Should I top the oil or carry out certain checks first?

Ikenna, would you be willing to look at the car? That's if I can get the car into a drivable state first without
causing more harm. Thanks man.

Been following ur posts and must say its really sad what our brodas on the road sides and garages have done to ur car. Well,the bright side is in the obvious fact that u are intent on not repeating those mistakes and are eager to learn... hence ur participation on this thread. Wish u the best in search for a new life for ur lion & good thing u ve hooked up with Ikenna da Lion King. Kindly update the house on ur the progress with ur lion so we all can learn or add to our existing knowledge. Av observed that most house members dont update the house on how well they were served by useful tips got from the thread which would otherwise have served others.

@ Ikenna, kindly indulge us with the technicalities involved with Bioye's Lion so we can learn. Hard to imagine a CTS fault can degenerate this bad!

Tadeus: At your service

Hi. interested in a super clean 2003 Peugeot 406. kindly send estimate to wisesystem2002@gmail.com & lets see if we can deal. Thanks

Ikenna351: You dey ask me? Lol! Thats the least price i could get it here in Abuja. Painful, but what can I do.

And yes, the ES9J4S thermostat is different from EW10 thermostat. Their part numbers differ and both have different shapes. Though, the EW10 thermostat would be cheaper. But ES9J4S and EW10 use the same CTS. The price is 4k.

The truth is, 406 original parts are pricey. For example, the front brake pad (PAN) cost 10k or so. Though, we have the one of 5k and 2k.

Ikenna.

Ok Boss. Thanks for all the update and for always going the extra mile to solve our puzzles. Ur very much appreciated Man!!!

D9 V6 (ES9J4S)THERMOSTAT JOB
Then, I looked at my D9 V6 and remembered that I have not installed the ES9J4S Thermostat I bought here in Abuja on 19/04/2013 at 13k. The Thermostat part number is 1338 73 and the opening temperature is 82 C.


@ Ikenna
Dont mind my asking pls but is the 406 v6 thermostat different from the EW10s? My Brother isnt 13k for a thermostat on the high side? or is there something am missing here?

t-die:
Hi Guys...
What's been happening on our thread lately??
Came across a classic pug today; the 403. Fell in love and have been begging the owner to possibly sell the car to me so I can bring it back to naija. :-)
Will keep you guys updated....

Abeg shout it loud so all the "Band-Wagon" car buyers can hear! Most people simply dont understand that people use different cars for different reasons... they call Classics 'outdated' and Vintage 'old model';they refer to fondness for manual driven cars as a backward syndrome