₦airaland Forum

tolue42:
APC IS A RULING PARTY!

Is that too hard for you to understand

Alot of northerners are holding positions in APC, anything that make APC lose in the north means new set of guys (northerners as well) but in PDP will emerge, then current northerners in APC will be relegated one way or the other.
Remember we all have our different ambitions , so its more than just a northerner winning the presidency, it's all about individuals who already have stakes in APC.

That's what the structure is all about, is not about Tinubu alone now, it's about different individuals ambitions in APC, people who doesn't want to loose relevance..

It's bigger for you to understand my brother...

all these jargons you just typed, if you are not careful, Peter Obi will beat Tinubu in Lagos.

You are still living of mirage and past realities

Svoboda:
I'd only advice that you take such polls at face value.

And trust your words right?

tolue42:
APC IS A RULING PARTY!

Is that too hard for you to understand

Alot of northerners are holding positions in APC, anything that make APC lose in the north means new set of guys (northerners as well) but in PDP will emerge, then current northerners in APC will be relegated one way or the other.
Remember we all have our different ambitions , so its more than just a northerner winning the presidency, it's all about individuals who already have stakes in APC.

That's what the structure is all about, is not about Tinubu alone now, it's about different individuals ambitions in APC, people who doesn't want to loose relevance..

It's bigger for you to understand my brother...

Tinubu will be beaten silly in the north and there is nothing APC can do about it.

He will also be beaten silly in Southeast and southsouth, nothing APC cna do about it.

Tinubu is the least likely to be president, better don't deceive yourself

fuckJones:
I will quit social media if peter obi get up to 5m

okay good then. You can ways open another moniker.
Do you think everyone didn't reason like APC guys?

fuckJones:
I will handle your own

lol, every single handle here, I will tag you in February with screenshots of the jargons you posted

fuckJones:
abubarka family will take care of your vote with you family, he has 9 wives with 35 children and 105 grand children.
he will be voting tinubu

he can also take care of mine.

Lessons will be learnt this election. You people will never underestimate the power of social media AGAIN
We will clear your doubts soon

tolue42:
Says who?? You You guys are political naive I swear!

So Tinubu can win Atiku in the north but Atiku cannot win Tinubu in southwest.

Lol, I can't wait for you all to cry. E go happen for this naira land

fuckJones:
obi will not win Benue state, he will not win nasarawa, plateau and kogi not to talk of Niger.

In benue, tinubu get formal governor Akume, Rev. father Alia infact APC is winning Benue governorship election comfortable.

In nassarawa, APC get the serving governor, national chairman, two formal governor, three serving senator and over 20 house of rep and state assembly. How obi go take win I don't know

In plateau, APC have DG of tinubu campaign who is a serving governor, all the members of reps, how obi go take win I don't know

keep on dreaming, I don't want to mention Niger, kogi and Kwara, all are apc control states.

okay, if that makes you happy. Fine by me

Svoboda:
So, nextier now determines with finality who wins a general election in a country of 200m people without considering other factors.

Should I take your own words for it and leave that of those who actually did a research?

Advice me

Aufbauh:
Calm down and read my comment well instead of rushing in ignorance to reply me.

I'm a Christian from the north and I'll be voting Tinubu. Did you get the message well?

You don't rely on Christian community in the north to give anyone a bloc vote as we are of independent minded than our Muslim brothers.
We'd vote base on our own personal conviction and perception, not what one cleric will tell us.

Because you are a Christian from North and you are voting Tinubu doesn't mean that majority of Christians there will. It's a fallacy of hasty generalization.
The reality on ground, with evidence, suggests that majority of Northern Christians will reject Muslim Muslim ticket. It's still doesn't mean that some northern Christians will not vote for it some reasons.

You can keep telling yourself unrealistic stuffs if you like

tolue42:
Yoruba Land and North is enough to make him our president. That's why he's romancing with them. A political guru

But Tinubu will lose in the north

Why are you skipping that part?

tolue42:
So you actually believe Tinubu will be defeated?

Did you read AriseTv projection today??

If Tinubu enemy(AriseTv) can project that he'll have 25% in 24 states then you should starts seeing Tinubu as your next president..
Believe me, Tinubu will have 25% in 28 states.

Tinubu can not beat Atiku in the north, Obi in southsouth and southeast.

If you like keep telling yourself sweet lies. Nigeria is not only yorubaland

Kingzeez10:
Obi is non existent in Ogun state. Take this to the bank. Are you from Ogun state? Just tell me one local government in Ogun state that Obi would win. Just one

so how come he got 22% votes, behind Tinubu's 34% in Nextier poll that was conducted in oyo and Ogun state rural areas on people with voter's card?

Who are the people who voted for him the rural areas of oyo and Ogun state that Tinubu couldn't win the poll comfortably?

Svoboda:
Thank God for the conditional if. Elections don't start and end among the urban population. Lp and Nnpp are offshoots of the pdp. Tell me which major contender pulled out from the apc? Need i say more?

Is that why Obi beat Atiku and Tinubu in a physical poll conducted by Nextier on people with voters card in rural areas of Nigeria?

You people don't seem to understand that people are tired with the nonsense APC did and is doing. You created a mess and majority will answer you in February

tolue42:
You don't have the population, you don't have the structure, so tell me how Obi want to win the election...

I said Tinubu will be beaten in north, southeast and southsouth..
Read again, remove your blocked APC cap and reason it properly

Aufbauh:
Northern governors avoiding Tinubu? What a joke! El rufai & co followed Tinubu to the Chatham house in UK and have being visible in all his campaign tour.

Ganduje is Atiku's in-law and so? We don't play emotive politics. Even Buhari and Atiku are In-laws too.

The north voted MKO, Obasanjo and GEJ.
What befell GEJ in the north 2015 was because he reneged on the zoning, so both northern PDP and APC politicians went against him.

In 2011 the North voted massively for GEJ that he won Adamawa, Taraba, Plateau, Benue, Kogi and have 35% average in most of the core northern states.

You can see the result of the 2011 presidential election.

Lol, Adamawa, Taraba, Benue, Kogi are not typical core northern states, there are a lot of Christians there.
If anyone would get those Christian votes, it won't be Tinubu

Kingzeez10:
I swear to Christ , Obi is non existent in Ogun state. If only Obidients can quit all these online noise and start campaigning offline.

I doubt if Obi is non existent in Ogun. We have to be sincere with ourselves. While I don't see him winning in Ogun, but you cannot say that he's nonexistent there. You and I know that it's false

Superwave16320:
My brother I agree with you totally but I like us to bet any amount you so desire.


Peter Obi will not come first or second in any NC state. I have a million waiting if you so desire

Chat me on election day

Ruggedniggaone:
Structure is necessary to win presidential election in Nigeria and that's where pdp and apc have advantage over labour party, only pdp and apc have ward party chairmen in every nook and cranny of Nigeria,Nigeria presidential candidate can not be everywhere but their Structure will reach every villages and towns to campaign for there candidates.go to every villages both in the south and northern part you will realise that only pdp and apc are known there.i went to one village in ondo in 2019 it located deep inside the forest but they still have pdp and apc party chairman and ward excos,Atiku and Tinubu may not these places but those ward excos will work for the victory of their party in those villages so if you don't have that how do you plan to reach those area? they have no light, no network or any road it was like 3 hours journey to the highway,do you think those people will leave pdp or apc presidential candidate to votes for someone they never heard or known his party before? the answer is No. so only structure can win you general election don't be surprised that some villages do not know obi or Labour party in the south east and they won't vote for Peter obi.

So why is Peter winning in a physical poll Done on people with PVCs in rural areas of Nigeria if people don't know him there?
What can these structures do to avert that in the real election?

For example, in my area, PDP and APC can have ward chairmen and councilors there, it doesn't stop Peter Obi from winning my polling unit even as he has none. The structure PDP and APC is talking about is been rejected, they known but known for the wrong reason.

tolue42:
Lol...do you have the population

How does this question makes sense to what I just said?

Revolution2022:
It simply means that they have all the mercenaries (thugs, money, campaign funds) in place to help them rig the election.

I thought much, sincerely.
Do you think BVAS how somehow lessen the potency of this structure?

Svoboda:
I wonder how you think a fractious opposition can defeat a united ruling party.

It diednt matter if the party is bigger than republican. If the people don't like them, they will lose

tolue42:
Is it only LP that'll use BVAS Will BVAS makes LP votes in the whole of southeast more than APC votes in South West and NORTH Una no get the population.. larger percent of South South will still vote APC.
You guys may be ignorance of what BVAS is all about self..

you and I know that with BVAS, Tinubu will be beaten to stupor in north, southeat and southsouth.

LegendHero:
Lol. Obiidiots believe that no other party have supporters and because of BVAS, that automatically mean no other party can win. Mass delusion.

—BVAS was used in Ekiti election and APC won
—BVAS was used in Osun election and APC won

I’m sure there might have been other house or rep election and no unpopular party ever won.

That's not the point, I don't believe that any party don't have supporters, why not.

My question is, can structures now comfortably rig elections now for a political structure?
How did APC win Osun?

unclejb2:
With BVAS there was still over voting in Osun state elections..... So BVAS could be compromised

The idea of BVAS is not only to prevent overvoting, it's also there to spot it when it has been done. It's the reason why that of Osun came to light, without it, no one will know.

You can overvote if you like, but when it's time to go to cut and inec release her database, we will spot it. Hope you get it?

It won't really be worth it, only if you can manipulate INEC datbase as well

Aufbauh:
The above narrative is what is referred to as structure. The influence of structure is beyond BVAS cos it is intangible and seamless

The only issue I have with you definition of political structure is that I don't understand how it's going to influence the people against their will anymore like bribing INEC staffs in the past.

If votes will count mostly, how would a political structure stop it from counting?

Aufbauh:
You guys stayed in one enclave and concoct some 'feeling good assumption'.
Atiku has contested election twice and his result from the North were abysmally pitiful.

In 2019 Atiku got 7% & 8% from Borno & Yobe state respectively, two states from his own geopolitical zone. He managed to secure 25% only in 6 states out of the 13 states in the NW and NE. Was it not a Fulani by then?

Agreed Buhari is on the ballot, but if you and your brother contested an election in your house and he thrashed you this way then it shows that your people did not regard you as such.

Even in kano the election is purely between APC and NNPP. At least try and be calling people who resides in the North instead of this your fantasy.

if you and your brother contested an election in your house and he trashed you, it doesn't mean that your neighbour can trash you in your house like you brother did.

As a matter of fact, a stranger is more ikely to lose to you or your brother in your house

MadamExcellency:
As usual

How efficient is this?

How many ballot boxes can you steal. Reason, you will have to steal about 20% of every polling unit ballot boxes to even make any significant difference, and that will be too much if you are doing it in your opponents stronghold.

What the structure does to win elections mainly is not to steal ballot boxes, it's the ability to bribe inec officials before they get to state collating offices. Which will be impossible now

criminalmindz:
They will bribe people to vote their candidates. People are hungry and looking for urgent 5k..

of course, that's the only thing structures can do now and how efficient is that? It won't make any significant difference.
I will tell you why:

1. Having money to bribe voters is one thing, mobilizing these money and making sure it gets to every potential seller on election is not as straightforward as you think. There are a lot of stumbling blocks.

2. These structure you talk about are more fficient at bribing INEC officers on their way to collation center to swap results. Which has now been weakened with the real-time e-transmission. This form of rigging is the easiest because it helped evade the whole struggle of having to find and buy every votes.

3. There no incident form anymore, its going to be hard to manipulate figures in such way that the voting fgiures will outweigh accredited voters.


I agree with you that structure can buy votes, the question is, how efficient will that turn out?

This is why I am very sure that Peter Obi will do well, you can out-buy the will of majority.

I see a lot of PDP and APC guys depending on existing rigging structures to win this election. A lot them do not really believe that the will of the people is going to make any difference but I want to know what they mean by structure.

Thr structure that I know of is a political presence that not really try to passively convince people to vote them but try and buy voters, snatch ballot boxes, buy INEC staffs to help them overthumbprint ballot papers and bribe INEC preciding officers to help them manipulate incident forms.

Except, I don't know a lot again, what other thing do you think this structure can help you to do now other than just buying votes?

Whether or not we like it, the electoral reform Buhari passed has weakened these structures significantly and there is really much they can do now other than buying votes and maybe mobilizing grassroots campaign, which doedt really convince a lot of people anymore because they already made up their minds. If I am wrong, I want APC and PDP guys do educate me.

criminalmindz:
Pdp has structures. Those structures feed people monthly for 8 years with monthly payment. Does Labour have such? Imagine where you dey work or hustle and some one is coming to block or stop the chopping? If na you , you go allow them. That's politics in the rural areas.

The only structure PDP has in Southeast is in the hand of G-5 governors.

Structures only work when you can loot ballot boxes and over thumbprint ballot paper. This time, BVAS has limited that and Atiku is left with convincing the people of southeast.

You people seem stuck in the pasp, there was an electoral reform that will affect everything but someone you seem to be totally unaware of it.

What are you expecting all these so called structures to do now, bribe people into posting fake results on inec server?
What do you think this structure can do?

Basic123:
Just leave them. They think NC is made up of only plateau and benue.....what of kwara,kogi,Nassarrawa and niger state?

Can Tinubu win Nasarawa? Can he.

Abuja is also in NC. Can Tinubu win there?

Even Kogi is not like in the bag for sure for him