₦airaland Forum

Kingzeez10:
I swear to Christ , Obi is non existent in Ogun state. If only Obidients can quit all these online noise and start campaigning offline.

I doubt if Obi is non existent in Ogun. We have to be sincere with ourselves. While I don't see him winning in Ogun, but you cannot say that he's nonexistent there. You and I know that it's false

Superwave16320:
My brother I agree with you totally but I like us to bet any amount you so desire.


Peter Obi will not come first or second in any NC state. I have a million waiting if you so desire

Chat me on election day

Ruggedniggaone:
Structure is necessary to win presidential election in Nigeria and that's where pdp and apc have advantage over labour party, only pdp and apc have ward party chairmen in every nook and cranny of Nigeria,Nigeria presidential candidate can not be everywhere but their Structure will reach every villages and towns to campaign for there candidates.go to every villages both in the south and northern part you will realise that only pdp and apc are known there.i went to one village in ondo in 2019 it located deep inside the forest but they still have pdp and apc party chairman and ward excos,Atiku and Tinubu may not these places but those ward excos will work for the victory of their party in those villages so if you don't have that how do you plan to reach those area? they have no light, no network or any road it was like 3 hours journey to the highway,do you think those people will leave pdp or apc presidential candidate to votes for someone they never heard or known his party before? the answer is No. so only structure can win you general election don't be surprised that some villages do not know obi or Labour party in the south east and they won't vote for Peter obi.

So why is Peter winning in a physical poll Done on people with PVCs in rural areas of Nigeria if people don't know him there?
What can these structures do to avert that in the real election?

For example, in my area, PDP and APC can have ward chairmen and councilors there, it doesn't stop Peter Obi from winning my polling unit even as he has none. The structure PDP and APC is talking about is been rejected, they known but known for the wrong reason.

tolue42:
Lol...do you have the population

How does this question makes sense to what I just said?

Revolution2022:
It simply means that they have all the mercenaries (thugs, money, campaign funds) in place to help them rig the election.

I thought much, sincerely.
Do you think BVAS how somehow lessen the potency of this structure?

Svoboda:
I wonder how you think a fractious opposition can defeat a united ruling party.

It diednt matter if the party is bigger than republican. If the people don't like them, they will lose

tolue42:
Is it only LP that'll use BVAS Will BVAS makes LP votes in the whole of southeast more than APC votes in South West and NORTH Una no get the population.. larger percent of South South will still vote APC.
You guys may be ignorance of what BVAS is all about self..

you and I know that with BVAS, Tinubu will be beaten to stupor in north, southeat and southsouth.

LegendHero:
Lol. Obiidiots believe that no other party have supporters and because of BVAS, that automatically mean no other party can win. Mass delusion.

—BVAS was used in Ekiti election and APC won
—BVAS was used in Osun election and APC won

I’m sure there might have been other house or rep election and no unpopular party ever won.

That's not the point, I don't believe that any party don't have supporters, why not.

My question is, can structures now comfortably rig elections now for a political structure?
How did APC win Osun?

unclejb2:
With BVAS there was still over voting in Osun state elections..... So BVAS could be compromised

The idea of BVAS is not only to prevent overvoting, it's also there to spot it when it has been done. It's the reason why that of Osun came to light, without it, no one will know.

You can overvote if you like, but when it's time to go to cut and inec release her database, we will spot it. Hope you get it?

It won't really be worth it, only if you can manipulate INEC datbase as well

Aufbauh:
The above narrative is what is referred to as structure. The influence of structure is beyond BVAS cos it is intangible and seamless

The only issue I have with you definition of political structure is that I don't understand how it's going to influence the people against their will anymore like bribing INEC staffs in the past.

If votes will count mostly, how would a political structure stop it from counting?

Aufbauh:
You guys stayed in one enclave and concoct some 'feeling good assumption'.
Atiku has contested election twice and his result from the North were abysmally pitiful.

In 2019 Atiku got 7% & 8% from Borno & Yobe state respectively, two states from his own geopolitical zone. He managed to secure 25% only in 6 states out of the 13 states in the NW and NE. Was it not a Fulani by then?

Agreed Buhari is on the ballot, but if you and your brother contested an election in your house and he thrashed you this way then it shows that your people did not regard you as such.

Even in kano the election is purely between APC and NNPP. At least try and be calling people who resides in the North instead of this your fantasy.

if you and your brother contested an election in your house and he trashed you, it doesn't mean that your neighbour can trash you in your house like you brother did.

As a matter of fact, a stranger is more ikely to lose to you or your brother in your house

MadamExcellency:
As usual

How efficient is this?

How many ballot boxes can you steal. Reason, you will have to steal about 20% of every polling unit ballot boxes to even make any significant difference, and that will be too much if you are doing it in your opponents stronghold.

What the structure does to win elections mainly is not to steal ballot boxes, it's the ability to bribe inec officials before they get to state collating offices. Which will be impossible now

criminalmindz:
They will bribe people to vote their candidates. People are hungry and looking for urgent 5k..

of course, that's the only thing structures can do now and how efficient is that? It won't make any significant difference.
I will tell you why:

1. Having money to bribe voters is one thing, mobilizing these money and making sure it gets to every potential seller on election is not as straightforward as you think. There are a lot of stumbling blocks.

2. These structure you talk about are more fficient at bribing INEC officers on their way to collation center to swap results. Which has now been weakened with the real-time e-transmission. This form of rigging is the easiest because it helped evade the whole struggle of having to find and buy every votes.

3. There no incident form anymore, its going to be hard to manipulate figures in such way that the voting fgiures will outweigh accredited voters.


I agree with you that structure can buy votes, the question is, how efficient will that turn out?

This is why I am very sure that Peter Obi will do well, you can out-buy the will of majority.

I see a lot of PDP and APC guys depending on existing rigging structures to win this election. A lot them do not really believe that the will of the people is going to make any difference but I want to know what they mean by structure.

Thr structure that I know of is a political presence that not really try to passively convince people to vote them but try and buy voters, snatch ballot boxes, buy INEC staffs to help them overthumbprint ballot papers and bribe INEC preciding officers to help them manipulate incident forms.

Except, I don't know a lot again, what other thing do you think this structure can help you to do now other than just buying votes?

Whether or not we like it, the electoral reform Buhari passed has weakened these structures significantly and there is really much they can do now other than buying votes and maybe mobilizing grassroots campaign, which doedt really convince a lot of people anymore because they already made up their minds. If I am wrong, I want APC and PDP guys do educate me.

criminalmindz:
Pdp has structures. Those structures feed people monthly for 8 years with monthly payment. Does Labour have such? Imagine where you dey work or hustle and some one is coming to block or stop the chopping? If na you , you go allow them. That's politics in the rural areas.

The only structure PDP has in Southeast is in the hand of G-5 governors.

Structures only work when you can loot ballot boxes and over thumbprint ballot paper. This time, BVAS has limited that and Atiku is left with convincing the people of southeast.

You people seem stuck in the pasp, there was an electoral reform that will affect everything but someone you seem to be totally unaware of it.

What are you expecting all these so called structures to do now, bribe people into posting fake results on inec server?
What do you think this structure can do?

Basic123:
Just leave them. They think NC is made up of only plateau and benue.....what of kwara,kogi,Nassarrawa and niger state?

Can Tinubu win Nasarawa? Can he.

Abuja is also in NC. Can Tinubu win there?

Even Kogi is not like in the bag for sure for him

criminalmindz:
All Atiku needs to do is to get 25% in one south east state and trust me he will convince one of the Governors to sell out. Ibos dey sell their brothers..

Elections parmitauons Is not done with emotions and sentiments. Politics no be your mate.

How can Atiku get 25% in Enugu, Imo, Ebonyi, Anambra and Abia. How?
Going by your logic, two are APC states, 2 are G-5 governors and the last one is Obi's state.

Lets reason now, Atiku cannot secure 25% for so many reasons from SE. He can't even get 25% in SE either, he can get them from some SS states.
This election is going into a rerun.

Thinkam:
I don't believe Tinubu will win either, but Obi and others not in the equation.

Atiku is coming

Well, There will be a rerun definitely.

A rereun between Atiku and Obi, Obi will beat him before 12noon of election day.. The only person Atiku can beat in a rereun is Tinubu

Wiseandtrue:
This one don dey console himself

Obi is everywhere

Go and verify!!!

sincerely, Obi wont do well in NW and NE. Aside Kaduna and Taraba, for many reasonable reasons

Thinkam:
Let me assume that there are four forces in this election or even three, the winner must pull at least 8 to 10 million votes, can Obi pull such?

when did I say that Obi will win?

I am not sure if Obi will win. But I am 100% that Tinubu won't.

I can prove that beyond online rhetorics

criminalmindz:
Stop deceiving yourself. Labour party rally in Rivers state should give you indication how the south south will reject obi. South south hates ibos because of the Biafra war they have ot forgotten. Also obi won't get up to 10% in any north west and northeast state.

Dude, if you are not smart enough to know that real voters don't visit rallies, then I am not surprised that you are supporting APC.
Anyone supporting APC is not mentally responsible to reasons BTW

garfield1:
Not true.tinubu is winning nc or coming a close second.atiku is not sure of any state there.tinubu has a big chance of winning bayelsa and crs.
In Enugu,senator nnamani, speaker ubosi and several court there in pdp are working for apc already.in IMO,uzodinma sponsored several people to go to lp and pdp.
Obi will get 90% in anambra but won't get more than 60% in other se states

lol

I am tagging each of every moniker here by February.

If Tinubu wins any state in southsouth, a camel will pss through the eye of a needle

1Dray:
OK. Prepare to shed tears on 25th of February. It's less than 2 months from now.

Let them keep underrating.
The tears is going to be very much and we will be here to drink them come February.

They seem not to know what is going to hit them

Thinkam:
They know better than anyone else, he can't win, majority of them won't vote Obi.
Like someone said Obi won't get 100k votes I don't doubt that.

lol, will you be happy if I agree with you for the sake of agreeing?

You don't know the tsunami that is coming, I am glad you guys are overrating, it will make the shock more severe

sapele914:
He will not even win Anambra State, so which other state in the south east will vote for the Apga Judas?

keep saying that until you believe it.

Look into the mirror and keep telling yourself that comforting lie

If it makes you happy, who am I to stop your happiness

Thinkam:
Obi is non existent everywhere.

Obi will drop out of the race latest December

Atiku is coming

lol. OK

MICHEALADEX:
https://www.nairaland.com/7498127/thisday-says-peter-obi-non-existent


Reality will shock you to your marrow

Remember Arise and this Day nha mama and pikin


I wonder how Oseni rufai will discuss that

But you don't agree with Nextier and ANAP right?

I am going to be very objective with their analysis, I agree totally with thisday that Peter Obi is non-existent in many NW and NE states aside Kaduna and Taraba, even opinion polls by ANAP and nextier gives credence to that, however what I don't agree with in their projected figures in southwest, Northcentral, southeast and southsouth. Their figures, while I don't know how they arrived at it, is totally not inline with the evidence on ground. While, I guess it's why it's mere a prediction other than a real time study and research conducted by ANAP and Nextier

In a Anambra, Abia, Enugu, expect Obi to get nothing less than 80%, Anambra is his home state and they want to make an impression. Abia and Enugu and part of the PDP G-5 states, nobody will be working for Atiku or Tinubu here and the people are all almost obedient.
Peter Obi will get 65% in Imo and ebonyi. Expect Peter Obi to get 75% of southeast.

In Southwest, the poll says Atiku will be second, that's laughable. Go to the streets of Ibadan and Lagos and ask questions. Obi will be second in southwest. Nobody really knows Atiku here.

In southsouth, Obi is getting nothing less than 50% here. Tinubu won't win a single state in southsouth, Atiku will be trailing as second.

In northcentral, Obi will be at par with Atiku, Tinubu will 3rd.

Obi is not nonexistent in Kaduna and Taraba. Know this and know peace.

sapele914:
You must be nouveau to politics in Nigeria? If not you would have known that Tinubu will win the elections hands down without a shadow of a doubt, thanks to Peter Obi who will not even win Anambra State.

Lol, Tinubu cannot win any state in NW and NE.
He cannot win a single state SS and SE.

I am damn sure about this because I know how the political landscape of Nigeria is changing. You are the ude still stuck in 2015

They don't seem to understand how their candidate has been rejected severely from every part of the country except southwest.

Tinubu will be beaten silly in Southeast and southsouth Peter Obi.
Tinubu will be beaten severally in NW by kwankwaso and Atiku.
Tinubu will be beaten mercilessly in NE by Atiku.
Tinubu cannot win northcentral.

I don't know where you guys are getting all these false hope and confidence of Tinubu winning this election when in reality, it won't happen

These are the realities on ground and there's no amount of structure can stop it.

It's only a matter of time until your delusions are cleared. If you like you can abuse everyone on nairaland all your like, the reality is very certain that Tinubu will be disgraced anywhere outside of southwest.

seunmsg:
The Thisday projection shows clearly that the Atiku team is really scared and want to drag this to runoff. They’ve failed. There will be no runoff in this election as Tinubu will win on the first ballot.

This day projection is not an opinion poll, it's a projection and not even a poll.
Its using the old order to predict what will happen, every single online and physical opinion poll states otherwise.

They are free to predict whatever they like anyways

kcnwaigbo:
There are hoping on rigging with their so-called "structures"

Which mumh structure?
Who will allow Urchins to rig?

The best they can do is buy votes, which cannot easily give Tinubu the election. BVAS is the game changer and they are yet to realize this