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TenQ:
You want to redefine what a constant is?

In case you still don't get it,
Is gravitational singleton a varying entity or a static entity?

Do you prefer if I start denigrating you or you want to understand how it works?

dorox:
I have told you my view before in the other thread of yours. There I stated that the simplest state is one of Nothingness, by that i mean absolute nothing, no energy, no space, no time, no matter, no laws, no information, no existence period. The fact that there is something rather than nothing, this to me implies a creator.

The fact that there something instead of nothing is fact that there’s something.

I don’t see how a creator enters the equation because this logic brings to a problem of having to ask for who created the creator, unless you think the creator is nothing, if the creator is nothing then it means that nothing created the universe.

dorox:
Nobody knows what existed before the big bang, or if indeed anything existed at all. In fact the term before the big bang is scientifically meaningless, its open to all kind of speculation.
The law of the conservation of mass and energy does not mean that the universe has always existed, rather it means that all that exist today was present in some form at the initial state of the universe and nothing about whether the initial state was created

The term Big Bang is scientifically coherent and we know what it means, it’s open to speculations only to those who think Big Bang is the beginning of the universe. Probably those who are outside of science.

If all matter always existed then where have they always existed in?
If the universe has not always existed then where did all the matter always exist in?

Outside of our universe? Or where?

FOLYKAZE:
I have been asking you what is God, and all you churned out is energy is god. That is way of a dullard nah

Now go back and address the question
Stop fooling yourself

I am convinced by your own definition of god, which says god is energy.

dorox:
you should point out the contradiction as i do yours, that way we can continue to have a healthy and respectful debate.

Principle of conservation of mass states that matter has always remained constant. It cannot be created nor destroyed.
This is implies that the matter present in the singularity that expanded has not changed, they weren’t created and cannot be destroyed.

The big Bang is not the beginning, it only talked about when time and space started expanding.

dorox:
I don't understand your question at all, but if you asking if its my goal to score cheap points against you, then the answer is no. I am genuinely interested in making you see things you might have overlooked in your worldview.

Then tell me your view instead of busy looking for errors

FOLYKAZE:
I don't mean to offend you but you are dull.

Let me deploy a very common Christian idea..

The bible in Exodus 22:28 call Judge and rulers of the people Gods. Has that make the particular people who are revered as God a supernatural entity?


If your answer is no, look within the sample above and explain why a god is god.

I am dull because I chose your definition for god.

Nawa o

You too stop making ridiculous definitions up na

dorox:
Nobody knows what existed before the big bang, or if indeed anything existed at all. In fact the term before the big bang is scientifically meaningless, its open to all kind of speculation.
The law of the conservation of mass and energy does not mean that the universe has always existed, rather it means that all that exist today was present in some form at the initial state of the universe and nothing about whether the initial state was created

This one is just contradicting himself

dorox:
You said matter plus antimatter equals nothing. How is that the same thing with what i said?

Why are you in a haste to find errors?

FOLYKAZE:
Is this the best answer you can provide? You aim brilliant.

Got to go
. Cheers

Didnt you say that Energy is god?

FOLYKAZE:
Ok.. Better put!

What makes energy God? What makes God a God?


Electricity or electrical energy is God even in Yoruba spirituality known as Sango. You may think you are having fun with your go round tripping but onlyfans exposing yoir shallowness.

But for the sake of other readers who want to learn from you, what do you think makes energy a God?

Electricity is god and your mobile phone being matter is condensed energy, while you are matter yourself, that makes you energy as well.

It means that god is using god to charge god.

TenQ:
By definition, a constant is that which does NOT change: if the gravitational singleton expanded into the less dense dispersed universe as we know it then the Gravitational Singleton is NOT a constant (it has changed).

Now, if the gravitational singleton changed (in fact it doesn't exist again), did it receive any help from the outside? LOL!!

It obvious you have a problem grabbing basic scientific concept. Why don’t you ask that I explain instead of reaching a wrong conclusion?

That’s not how constants work, you are getting wrong

FOLYKAZE:
What is God? Can you answer that

God is Energy, anything that has energy is god according to you and I agree with you.

Electricity is god by that definition

FOLYKAZE:
The problem you have with the idea is that you already have a close minded view of what God is


Let me assume you are atheistic only to Christian and Muslim God

I already accepted that energy is god.

I’m playing by your rules now, but you want to now chose when the rule applies and when it doesn’t

If energy is god then petrol is god. That’s the logic

FOLYKAZE:
The dead are Gods

Well, going by your ambiguous definition of god, a carcass is a god.

Everything qualifies as a god by that definition

TenQ:
With reference to your statement where you said that: That's why we say the universe is eternal
I said:
If the Gravitational Singleton is eternal, then, it must be a constant!
Do you agree?
You said:

And I asked again:

Are you sure that the Gravitational Singularity is a CONSTANT?

Yes na, that’s what it means na, it has constant mass and energy and that’s why it has Infinite gravity due to enormous density

FOLYKAZE:
Have you not heard about worshipping of dead ancestors?

Yes, what about it?

FOLYKAZE:
Why then are you insulting my intelligence when I said dead rat is condensed energy?

I am not a physic student. But it is a subject I love cuz it is spiritual

I am not insulting your intelligence I only corrected that a dead rat is a form of condensed energy by definition.

You are so much interested in making the definition of energy suit your definition of a god and that’s not okay because that means even bacteria are gods.

FOLYKAZE:
Since you've been boxed in the corner, you are the one grasping earnestly at straw.

The whole thread from inception is to disprove the existence of Creator or God. And I have shown that Universe cannot come from nothing. As a matter of fact there is nothing like nothingness or zero in the universe. All we have is simply positive and negative state of a particle.

You posited that when these two different states of a particle collide, they become nothing. I have shown it is impossible. Although they annihilate each other mass but leave behind huge energies.

Whatever it is, these energies are what some folks call God, the Creator and Cause.

what you proved is that even a dead rat is god.

Nothing more or less

TenQ:
Sorry!
Gravitational Singularity: Are you sure it is a constant?

Whats your question again?

FOLYKAZE:
What is mass. What is condensed energy and what is matter?

I thought I was conversing with a brilliant chap

Mass/matter is condensed energy.

It’s basic physics dude

FOLYKAZE:
What is mass. What is condensed energy and what is matter?

I thought I was conversing with a brilliant chap

matter is anything that has mass.

You are just looking for a way to validate your opinion instead of seeking the valid point.

I’m not here to win arguments o

FOLYKAZE:
Dead or not, are they not condensed energy?

Lol, condense energy is mass. Are you confuse?

E=mc^2 means that mass is condensed energy, and in its purest form, energy is light. ... In photons, all energy is kinetic, equal to mc^2, while they have no mass- energy. If matter is condensed light, then its mass is actually condensed kinetic energy.


A dead rat is condensed energy

dorox:
What don't I get? Contrary to your claim that the universe is eternal, I have quoted several source that said the universe is of a finite age. So, what don't I get?

conservation of mass means universe is eternal.
Mass cannot be created nor destroyed, whatever existed before Big Bang is still the same mass with what we have now.

TenQ:
Are you sure the Gravitational Singleton is a constant?

Singleton, you mean singularity?

FOLYKAZE:
Lol

You are the one that have a warped definition of God in your mind defined to suit your atheistic stance. Creating a shadow you can box... You had wanted God to be superhuman living behind the wind.

You wrong Buddy! Check pantheism... Everything is God in this philosophy

Ok I agree if that’s your definition of god.

It means a dead rat is also god, right?

dorox:
This is just wrong science my friend. Matter + Antimatter will annihilate each other leaving zero mass plus lots of energy equal to the sum of their masses multiplied by the square of the velocity of light. This way, matter/antimatter and energy is conserved.
You will be left with energy and not nothingness.

You just repeated what I said, maybe you are just in a haste to find errors

TenQ:
No sir!
If the Gravitational Singleton is eternal, then, it must be a constant!
Do you agree?

yes, ok?

dorox:
The universe has a finite past and Wikipedia agrees with me as you can see from the quote below


The general scientific consensus is that any conjecture as to what might have been before the singularity, or how it came to be will never be based on science.

Detailed measurement of the “expansion rate”.

You still don't get it

orisa37:
THUNDER STRIKES THROUGH ALL MUMU THEORIES.

Your mobile phone and internet work because of those mumu theories

A001:
Yes, I understand you.

I also understand his own position as well. In African spirituality and the Otemic philosophy, everything in existence (both living and non-living) is God, which means a great source of energy with no specific form or a great consciousness in the latter philosophical approach.

OK, but he hasn't accepted that a chicken is also a god by that logic.

He quoted the Bible

TenQ:
I don't know how gravity can exit without mass: because every known example show that it is condensed energy/masss that produce gravitational fields. That was why I asked you if you know.

I also asked you:
Before the big bang, was the entropy of the gravitational singleton increasing or decreasing?

OK, no gravity cannot exist without mass, it's an indication that the singularity before the big bang with infinite gravity was very massive and dense.

That's why we say the universe is eternal