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truespeak:
If Workch agrees to a fight, you know say na Chicken e be, he shall surely not fight you man to man but Men to man.

lol

hupernikao:
Good, hope my views will be welcome.

Well, you will bring the fun to the table

dorox:
God is eternal, meaning that He exist and has always existed without a beginning. He is unlike any other thing or being, His existence is infinite and unbounded by time. Your statement while true for anything with a beginning clearly does not apply to God whose existence has no starting point.

The universe is also eternal. It has always existed, nothing created it.

We know this because energy cannot be created nor destroyed

Dtruthspeaker:
This is man to man fight as it should be! Fool! Man no dey fight e phone or laptop or moto. But fool like you go fit do am dat na why you think say God go get your time con dey answer your call make E come fight you.

Like your phone you go wait for am

Shebi you want to fight for him na. We meet on Sunday

hupernikao:
Am I invited? I want to chill with this your group with my Bible in my hands and the gospel in my mouth.

Can we chill?

why not?

This must be dtruthspeaker church.

He also threatened to beat me

Dtruthspeaker:
Eh, you don dey plan d Igbo boys wey go beat me and rob me, Abi?

let's just keep the date.
We can continue our argument now until Sunday

Dtruthspeaker:
Just go straight to the Ojeez bar outside when you see me you would surely know! 12:00pm does not mean 12: 30pm

You want to beat me abi, we shall see

Dtruthspeaker:
Just go straight to the Ojeez bar outside when you see me you would surely know! 12:00pm does not mean 12: 30pm

Ok

TenQ:
At least, the Uncaused-First Cause Exists!

i was joking, it doesn’t

TenQ:
What of if the premise wat true?

Now, back to the beginning: can you falsify any of the premises below and thus its conclusion?

The simple verifiable premises
1. The Universe and ALL Physical things have an origin (approximately 13.8 billion years ago)- by definition the universe consists of all physical material that exist consisting of our earth, moon, galaxy and universe
2. There exist the "Law of cause and effect": Without a cause there cannot be an effect AND an effect is what initiates a cause
3. An Infinite regress of Cause and Effect is impossible
Conclusion:
Since things exist and obey the law of Cause and Effect, there must therefore exist an "Uncaused First-Cause" of everything (aka God).

The law of conservation of energy and matter trash this.

Energy and matter can never be created nor destroyed, they can only be converted to other forms.

According to E=mc^2, energy is directly proportional to mass. It means that whenever you see mass, you see energy and vice versa.

Since universe is made of 100% matter (mass) and energy and they cannot be created nor destroyed, it means that the universe cannot be created nor destroyed.

Conclusion: The universe has always existed, no creator.

TenQ:
What of if the premise wat true?

Now, back to the beginning: can you falsify any of the premises below and thus its conclusion?

The simple verifiable premises
1. The Universe and ALL Physical things have an origin (approximately 13.8 billion years ago)- by definition the universe consists of all physical material that exist consisting of our earth, moon, galaxy and universe
2. There exist the "Law of cause and effect": Without a cause there cannot be an effect AND an effect is what initiates a cause
3. An Infinite regress of Cause and Effect is impossible
Conclusion:
Since things exist and obey the law of Cause and Effect, there must therefore exist an "Uncaused First-Cause" of everything (aka God).

The uncaused cause has to be the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Dtruthspeaker:
Okay, I would add the my Jeep, which I will bring to the N50,00k. Would you still take up the challenge?

I have accepted, Surulere stadium by 12pm, Sunday.

How can I contact you?

Dtruthspeaker:
SAYS THE FOOL WHO RAN AWAY FROM FREE N50,000 AND INSULTS RIGHTS!

lol, ok I accept.
I will meet you at Surulere stadium on Sunday

Dtruthspeaker:
OH! YOU NO WAN CHOP MY N50,000 THOU?

have you not being insulting me saying that you will tidy my ignorant head now, such that i will be begging my imaginary friend to kill you?

Now I have submitted myself to you and given you an opportunity to come and legitimately tidy me and still take my N50k,YOU ARE FLEEING!

Guy, just flee on and Stay in your lawful place.

You have no rights to insult me when I did not insult you.

Shut up, Taliban.

Is that why you want to fight for your spineless god?
You are mad if you think 50k is enough to fight for.
Did I ask to fight you when you asked your god to kill me?

Dtruthspeaker:
I WANT TO BEAT YOU UP BECAUSE YOU INSULT ME!

DID YOU ANSWER MY CHALLENGE?

LET ME GO AND CHECK!

You are a fool if you think you can fight for your god.

Dtruthspeaker:
In every place on the earth, in the past witches who harmed people were killed and homosexuals were also killed or cast out into Nature, For Nature to handle the Killing, even before the Bible was written.

So the Bible is simply sticking to The Laws at the Beginning of this world.

Dude, you want to fight me because I said your god doesn’t exist

What does that make you?

Dtruthspeaker:
If you no say you get Head, I CHALLENGE YOU, I GO DROP N50,000, JUST COME AS YOU BE! I NO WANT YOUR MONEY BUT I GO FLOG YOU JUST
7 STROKES, IF YOU LOSE.

MEET ME FOR NATIONAL STADIUM FOR SURULERE.

NA THE PEOPLE WEY DEY THE STADIUM GO JUDGE THE MATTER.

ON SUNDAY 12:00OOM. SHARP!

IF YOU GET MIND! You are lucky mortal combat is unlawful i would have staked your miserable life, swine!

COME WITH CAMERA OH, COS SURELY I WILL BRING MY VIDEO CREW!

DO YOU AGREE TO THIS CHALLENGE OR YOU RUN?

If you no get transport, come I go pay your uber fee when you arrive Come, son of a Fool!

Why? You want to beat me because there’s no evidence for your god?

Christian Taliban

Why should I fight you for that reason?

Dtruthspeaker:
Idiot 30 Times Loser no fit ever challenge me again! So Sidon one side!

If i tidy your ignorant head now, you will be begging your imaginary friend to kill me.

You no go stay one place

Dtruthspeaker:
Nini ni- e no get power.
People are not As Sstupid as you are. And of course when you no say you go always lose when you challenge me, you no go wan ever challenge me.

Who wan challenge slowpoke?

TenQ:
You accuse me of not doing courses on logic yet you present as an example of a faulty logic as case of Bassey!?
Bassey has been in 5 accidents: TRUE
but
Does it make Bassey a careless Driver?

Your statement is NOT logical: If your proposition is WRONG, every CONCLUSION built on it is WRONG!

A good example of Logic was what I presented earlier:

I said:'
Logic says,

Proposition
if Mr A is taller than Mr B
AND
Mr B is taller than Mr C,
Conclusion:
then Mr A must be taller than Mr C!

Can you please show how the logic above fail?

Lol, you don’t know what you are dealing with.
An abject slowpoke

We have a group for irreligious people in Lagos. We have a lot of fun here and we are holding a hangout by next month to have more fun.

Drop your number and I will tell the admin to add you.

Or you can send me a mail at workch6@outlook.com

TenQ:
You seem not to comprehend my point nor even your argument of "Proper Proof, Dispels All Reasonable Doubt"

Can you solve the mathematical equation:
y=123456789.0987654321+987654.0987654321
The obvious answer is YES!
Have you ever solved this problem before?
Most probably not

So how do you know you can solve this problem?
Because logic tells you that if you follow the rules of arithmetic, your answer will be correct.
This is LOGIC at work.

You do not need to have solved the equation y=123456789.0987654321+987654.0987654321 before you can claim with certainty that the problem can be solved by you.

Your proper proof is akin to solving the specific equation for y to be able to conclusively dispel your reasonable doubt: but is a proper proof also LOGIC related?

I pity you. If you think you can have a logical discussion With Dtruthspeaker then you better think twice.

His IQ is as low as the power in a dead battery. You should be ready to condone utter flaws and ridiculous line of reasoning. He will wow you, he always sets a new record for dumbness whenever he speaks.

You think I don’t know what i am doing by ignoring him?

You can see how he conceived the expansion of the universe like someone who haven’t seen the walls of a classroom.

Lol, Mumu post

Bishopkingsley:
my friend since you are not ready to respect your fellow man

Peace bye

Alright man.

But Energy is not God.
Don't say that again.
Go in peace

Bishopkingsley:
My trade mark here is I never insult or abuse people and I don't recieve abuse or insult

But from this words I can see you don't know my rules it either you apologize or we part ways

I follow Bible principles we give all men respect

You apologize for spewing trash science.

You have accept that you science is trash and religiously motivated

Bishopkingsley:
My trade mark here is I never insult or abuse people and I don't recieve abuse or insult

But from this words I can see you don't know my rules it either you apologize or we part ways

I follow Bible principles we give all men respect

I think I should start serving atomic bomb, since God is Energy.

I have had patience with you spewing quack science. This is the height.

If you don't know what Energy is then you humble yourself and let's educate you. Don't come here claiming you know it while you are as blank as an A4 paper.

Bishopkingsley:
You can Google it since you have proven you don't know science

You can never see energy

There is no manifestation of energy that is visible. Even light itself is not visible. That may seem strange, but get two flashlights, two lasers or a flashlight and a laser in a dark room with very little dust. Turn on the lights and try to point them so that the light beams pass through each other. One things you’ll notice is that you don’t see the beams in clear air. You can see spots on the wall where light reflects. Then you’ll notice that it’s hard to tell if you have two beams of light passing through each other. Light doesn’t reflect off light! We see things only if they are sources of light with the light coming into our eyes or if they reflect light. Consequently light itself can’t be seen.

You also can’t see heat in the sense that you suggest. What makes a flame visible is that the high temperatures of fuel and oxidizer as they combine result in many electrons going to higher energy levels. When they quickly drop toward the ground states, photons are emitted. But you can’t see photons! You can see with emitted photons, and what you are seeing is the hot gas that is emitting photons. The gas is not “heat,” and heat isn’t energy. In thermodynamics heat is defined as energy transferred between two systems as a result of a temperature difference.

This points to the answer that we can’t see energy, but we can often see the effects of energy...



This things you list are carries of energy not energy itself



I will advice you to Google it you can not see energy

Am surprised at your defense

You can never see energy

Nonsense statement

A little research on theory of relativity would have saved you this embarrassing statement. Illiterate

Bishopkingsley:
You can Google it since you have proven you don't know science

You can never see energy

There is no manifestation of energy that is visible. Even light itself is not visible. That may seem strange, but get two flashlights, two lasers or a flashlight and a laser in a dark room with very little dust. Turn on the lights and try to point them so that the light beams pass through each other. One things you’ll notice is that you don’t see the beams in clear air. You can see spots on the wall where light reflects. Then you’ll notice that it’s hard to tell if you have two beams of light passing through each other. Light doesn’t reflect off light! We see things only if they are sources of light with the light coming into our eyes or if they reflect light. Consequently light itself can’t be seen.

You also can’t see heat in the sense that you suggest. What makes a flame visible is that the high temperatures of fuel and oxidizer as they combine result in many electrons going to higher energy levels. When they quickly drop toward the ground states, photons are emitted. But you can’t see photons! You can see with emitted photons, and what you are seeing is the hot gas that is emitting photons. The gas is not “heat,” and heat isn’t energy. In thermodynamics heat is defined as energy transferred between two systems as a result of a temperature difference.

This points to the answer that we can’t see energy, but we can often see the effects of energy...



This things you list are carries of energy not energy itself



I will advice you to Google it you can not see energy

Am surprised at your defense

Lol

Types of energy
1. Chemical energy: Food, petrol, firewood
2. Nuclear energy: stars, radioactive elements like uranium and plutonium
3. Electrical energy : currents
4. Sound energy: sound wave
5. Light energy: light wave
6. Heat: entropy

Forms of energy
1. Kinetic: object in motion like light and vehicle
2. Potential energy: virtue of position E.g food and crude oil


It's a pity you think all these are God

You are funny, you think you know but you are totally ignorant.

Illiterate trying to teach basic physics of energy. You better go educate yourself first before defending your imaginary freind.

Bishopkingsley:
All the things you said here none holds water
The reason why I don't want to correct them is I want to focus at one point now to show you how you have been wrong



Your reason for saying not energy is totally not explained so kindly explain why you said we should call it.... not energy....

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Question
I will talk about the universe only when you accept that God or energy should be the name we call the total infinite complexity

Bible calls him God and science calls him energy

It doesn't even make sense, if God is energy it means that God can exist in form of crude oil, electricity, nuclear bomb and the sun.

All these are energy.
Does that make any sense to you?

Even humans can releases energy when they die and they combust. We are chemical energy source.

Goats, pigs are also energy. Petrol, paper, wood etc are energy sources.

You don't know what energy is and you are not willing to learn

Bishopkingsley:
All the things you said here none holds water
The reason why I don't want to correct them is I want to focus at one point now to show you how you have been wrong



Your reason for saying not energy is totally not explained so kindly explain why you said we should call it.... not energy....

Next

Question
I will talk about the universe only when you accept that God or energy should be the name we call the total infinite complexity

Bible calls him God and science calls him energy

I cannot accept that God exist because you have not proven it.

God is not Energy, that's nonsense. You lack basic knowledge of what energy is.
This is a fallacy of begging the question.

The universe has always existed and nothing created it.

Atomic theory states clearly that atom cannot be created. It's simple, the universe cannot be created since everything is either made of atoms or energy. Both states cannot be created.

Bishopkingsley:
No what it actually means is that no one can create any God and that that ultimate brain that caused all the reactions to all action can be called God since no one can create God

So the flying thing you called God and my own that I called God is under the ultimate God which is still called God
.... Hope thir explains the issue very well....

we are saying the same thing, no God is more valid than the other. Ifa, Zeus , Satan and the Christian God are the same with different names. I get your point

If you say you don't want to play by it what this means is you have refused science and refused Bible

This then shows you are not been truthful to your self

You rules are not scientific, they are your personal concoctions, I don't play a rule that you will choose when it won't apply. The Bible is lies and I know that because I read it

Once you agree that there is a God then we can talk about the...... argument that if god cannot be created then the universe can also not be created..........

You already agreed that energy has always existed, it validates the claim that the universe has always existed because universe is directly proportional to energy E=mc^2

So what name do you want us to call the infinite value of the complexity....

This removes the special treatment ascribed to the Christian God by Christians. It puts your God in same pedestal as sango and Amadioha.

You are going in a circle because you told me that a spin off started the action that caused those things to happen..... And from science I told you that a spin off can not happen on it own

Same science also thinks God cannot exist on its own, it defies law of conservative of energy.

You talking about the same thing because.... fabrics of space-time continuum is not an object

your God is also not an object, the diffence is that space-time can be measured, your God cannot.

Question
or can you see or remove fabrics of space-time continuum?

it can be measured, your God cannot be measured. It even have formulars to predict perfectly how it operates. This doesnt apply to your God.

Am actually surprised that you are not understanding science laws and if I ask you a question you tend to cry because you actually don't even know the answer

coming form someone who thinks energy has always existed and doesn't see how it means the universe always did

Let see if you understand scientific laws

Question
Can energy be created or destroyed.. Added........ OK you answered it below good..

nope, energy cannot be created no destroyed. All matter in the universe are energy E=mc^2
It means that if all matter is energy and vice versa, it means that universe can not be created nor destroyed.

We can only talk about the universe when you admit there is a God

Because scientists accept that energy can never be created or destroyed

So do you now admit there is a God that science calls energy

I also agree that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It is not the evidence for god, it's the evidence the universe wasn't created and cannot be destroyed.

Thermodynamics is the study of the relations between heat, work, temperature, and energy.... Bible is filled with stories about
Heat, power, spiritual work, temperature sun

it means that every book thay talk about sun and moon can be a trusted source of scientific knowledge on thermodynamics like spiderman comic and sheggs football comic.

Bible records the first operation on a man God did by putting him to sleep [/quotes] well that's nonsense because we have checked and women are not made of largely calcium and phosphate from a man's ribs.

[quote]Bible is filled with science facts the problem is that it is beyond science that why people hit a snag

bible is filled with nonsense, like creation of man from dust, women from ribs, talking snakes, splitting oceans, proteins turning to common salt, food falling from skies, chariot of fire ascending to heaven, man walking on water and a human pathogenesis. All are nonsense that are not scientific.

I never said God created energy I said God is the energy science is talking about

Energy equals matter. God cannot be energy because he's not matter. That's quack science

Science has it own way of speaking that is why it did not understand God

science doesn't care if God exist, he's not worth the research funds. It will be a waste of precious research funds

That why because I understand both I can link both to you and you are seeing the linkage but finding it hard to believe because you have never seen someone link both together before to you

You do not understand either of them. That's why you think the Bible is scientific and God is energy.
Only matter can have energy, God cannot be matter. You flawed here.

The bible has never said the earth was flat man said so but Bible had always Maintained that at each place you are on earth that there is a four corner in the earth

Which scientists now called North South East and west

So Bible has always been right that the earth is spherical... Because it showed that water and land covers the face of the earth

I never said the Bible said the earth is flat

Now what name do you want us to call

The brain for the total complexity of the infinite value.... Since you are crying when I call it God

not Energy