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Image123:
Adam was a very intelligent man with freewill who knew what he was doing, not a child unfortunately.

Doesn't make sense. I really want to have a sane discussion with you now but if you become rude then be my guest.

Freewill and omniscient are mutually exclusive, they can't work together.
God has a divine plan, his divine plans cannot work if we have freewill. It puts his plans in the hands of the freewill of men, which implies that he works with probabilities now. It's a big blow to his omniscient nature. Freewill will always distort the plans of God and put his omniscient nature to a question.

This played out in the Bible stories, he changed his plans several times, during the time of Adam, Noah and Jesus etc. It doesn't seem to me that he knows anything, his plans are based on the freewill he gave to us hence the reason for the several changes.

Kingsnairaland:
Free will is a powerful thing and God gave it to humanity to use as they see fit so imagine if God interrupts us all the time then we will not be able to use the free will as we want.

So God was there but he won't manifest to stop it because man has free will ability to chose right or wrong.

how can freewill and omniscient work together.

Doesn't make sense

Bishopkingsley:
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The Bible states that God can be both present to a person in a manifest manner (Psalm 46:1, Isaiah 57:15) as well as being present in every situation in all of creation at any given time (Psalm 33:13-14).

Most Relevant Verses

1 Kings 8:27
Verse Concepts
“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!

2 Chronicles 6:18
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“But will God indeed dwell with mankind on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You; how much less this house which I have built.

2 Chronicles 2:6
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But who is able to build a house for Him, for the heavens and the highest heavens cannot contain Him? So who am I, that I should build a house for Him, except to burn incense before Him?

Psalm 113:4-6
The Lord is high above all nations;
His glory is above the heavens.
Who is like the Lord our God,
Who is enthroned on high,
Who humbles Himself to behold
The things that are in heaven and in the earth?

Psalm 139:7-12
Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
If I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
If I take the wings of the dawn,
If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea,
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Jeremiah 23:23-24
“Am I a God who is near,” declares the Lord,
“And not a God far off?
“Can a man hide himself in hiding places
So I do not see him?” declares the Lord.
“Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares the Lord.

Numbers 14:21
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but indeed, as I live, all the earth will be filled with the glory of the Lord.

Deuteronomy 4:39
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Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the Lord, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.

Isaiah 6:3
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And one called out to another and said,
“Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts,
The whole earth is full of His glory.”

Isaiah 66:1
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Thus says the Lord,
“Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool.
Where then is a house you could build for Me?
And where is a place that I may rest?

Amos 9:2-3
“Though they dig into Sheol,
From there will My hand take them;
And though they ascend to heaven,
From there will I bring them down.
“Though they hide on the summit of Carmel,
I will search them out and take them from there;
And though they conceal themselves from My sight on the floor of the sea,
From there I will command the serpent and it will bite them.

Amos 9:2-3
“Though they dig into Sheol,
From there will My hand take them;
And though they ascend to heaven,
From there will I bring them down.
“Though they hide on the summit of Carmel,
I will search them out and take them from there;
And though they conceal themselves from My sight on the floor of the sea,
From there I will command the serpent and it will bite them.

Proverbs 15:3
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The eyes of the Lord are in every place,
Watching the evil and the good.

2 Chronicles 16:9
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For the eyes of the Lord move to and fro throughout the earth that He may strongly support those whose heart is completely His. You have acted foolishly in this. Indeed, from now on you will surely have wars.”

Zechariah 4:10
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For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel—these are the eyes of the Lord which range to and fro throughout the earth.”

Acts 17:27-28
that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’

Psalm 34:18
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The Lord is near to the brokenhearted
And saves those who are crushed in spirit.

Isaiah 57:15
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For thus says the high and exalted One
Who lives forever, whose name is Holy,
“I dwell on a high and holy place,
And also with the contrite and lowly of spirit
In order to revive the spirit of the lowly
And to revive the heart of the contrite.

Psalm 145:18
Verse Concepts
The Lord is near to all who call upon Him,
To all who call upon Him in truth.

Psalm 16:8
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I have set the Lord continually before me;
Because He is at my right hand, I will not be shaken.

Isaiah 50:8
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He who vindicates Me is near;
Who will contend with Me?
Let us stand up to each other;
Who has a case against Me?
Let him draw near to Me.

Exodus 33:15-16
Then he said to Him, “If Your presence does not go with us, do not lead us up from here. For how then can it be known that I have found favor in Your sight, I and Your people? Is it not by Your going with us, so that we, I and Your people, may be distinguished from all the other people who are upon the face of the earth?”

Psalm 14:5
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There they are in great dread,
For God is with the righteous generation.

Isaiah 43:2
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“When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
And through the rivers, they will not overflow you.
When you walk through the fire, you will not be scorched,
Nor will the flame burn you.

Zephaniah 3:17
Verse Concepts
“The Lord your God is in your midst,
A victorious warrior.
He will exult over you with joy,
He will be quiet in His love,
He will rejoice over you with shouts of joy.

1 Corinthians 14:25
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the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.

Joshua 1:9
Verse Concepts
Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous! Do not tremble or be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.”

Genesis 28:15
Verse Concepts
Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.”

Genesis 31:3
Verse Concepts
Then the Lord said to Jacob, “Return to the land of your fathers and to your relatives, and I will be with you.”

Exodus 29:45
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I will dwell among the sons of Israel and will be their God.

Leviticus 26:12
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I will also walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people.

Deuteronomy 20:1
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“When you go out to battle against your enemies and see horses and chariots and people more numerous than you, do not be afraid of them; for the Lord your God, who brought you up from the land of Egypt, is with you.

Deuteronomy 31:8
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The Lord is the one who goes ahead of you; He will be with you. He will not fail you or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed.”

Matthew 28:20
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teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

1 Corinthians 3:16
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Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

John 14:18
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“I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Ephesians 2:22
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in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

1 John 3:24
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The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Psalm 113:3
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From the rising of the sun to its setting
The name of the Lord is to be praised.

Psalm 72:19
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And blessed be His glorious name forever;
And may the whole earth be filled with His glory.
Amen, and Amen.

Psalm 96:7-9
Ascribe to the Lord, O families of the peoples,
Ascribe to the Lord glory and strength.
Ascribe to the Lord the glory of His name;
Bring an offering and come into His courts.
Worship the Lord in holy attire;
Tremble before Him, all the earth.

Malachi 1:11
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For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations,” says the Lord of hosts.

Revelation 5:13
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And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying,“To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”

Did God know that Adam will disobey him?

MaxInDHouse, what do you have to say to this?

MaxInDHouse:
It's not about indoctrination but a consensus just as you said.
I come to your house with a fellow JW.
We greet and ask for your permission to speak.
You grant us and we become friends.
If you agree with us then you become one of us but if you disagree then we will remain neighbours that already knew what each other wants. It's as simple as that!

But I don't believe in Jehovah, I can grant you permission thinking that you have evidence.
The whole discussion will frustrate you if you can't provide evidence for your claims. You do not expect that I join just like that, that makes me gullible

TenQ:
Being evasive doesn't help your position.
The truth is static.

There is no one within the scientific community that does not know that ONE Gravitational Singularity inflated to produce the universe. If there is a theory that speaks otherwise, lets know!

It is surprising that its either you don't know the answer which would be pathetic or you are bent on lies in other to justify your position which is also pathetic.

Alaye, go and learn basic science and stop disturbing me.
You are scientifically illiterate, who's arguing that gravitational singularity didn't inflate in the beginning of the universe?

You are confusing yourself because you don't know science. You are only pretending that you do but it can't be hidden.

Image123:
Do they? Make up your mind, you can. Snake or snakes?

your Bible said one talked

MightySparrow:
You tried showing ignorance of God.
Anyways, has comments changed him?
Bigger killings are still coming

There's hope for those in Christ to have everlasting life. John 3: 16. You are invited to life. Will you...?

Thanks for validating what I inferred

MaxInDHouse:
Do you think you can ever have anything like a consensus without Jehovah's Witnesses?
Well let's try and see if there's any!

That's the problem, I will keep hurting you if you want to indoctrinate me

Abraham's act is not based on reason but also on blind faith.

The fact that God even came up with such a silly game questions his omniscient nature.

TenQ:
Its a simple question, how many were they?

Stop asking me loaded questions, you don't know basic science. Study it first

Adamgeneral12:
Kill ke! For where?
At end of the day self,you fit be a pastor wey go dey carry bell up and down on the street preaching for people.

Repent! You sinners, I said repent!
The Coming of our lord Jesus Christ is at hand, repeeeeeeeent!!!!!!!!
Na so you go dey shout for street if God preach to you

Lol, then I have to have seen a resounding evidence for the existence of a God first. Then a Christian God that didn't make numerous mistakes in the Bible

MaxInDHouse:
I have tried to reason with you before but you're hasty in your thoughts so if you truly want me to share what i know with you it's not a one way traffic like noisemakers in busses and street corners, we chat like mature minds!

Are you willing to hear what I know as well?
We will reach a consensus if you are truly willing not to indoctrinate me but search for what is fact and not what you believe is fact

jesusjnr2020:
The devil is a liar!

John 8:44 (KJV)

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. [b]He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Devil was a murderer from beginning because he murdered all humans, including the unborn, eternally with one single strike in the beginning. The thief stole their eternal life, because he doesn't come, but to steal, kill and destroy. John 10:10

That's why Jesus who had eternal life has to die in the place of mankind, so that they could regain the eternal life that the thief and murderer from the beginning stole from them.

The devil is not just a blood sucking demon but the chief of blood sucking demons, that's why all the satanists and witches who work for him are ritual killers and use humans as sacrifice in their worship of the devil.

May God deliver us from the hands of all those possessed with spirit of blood sucking demons. In Jesus name! Amen!

Devil didn't commit genocide, God did

Adamgeneral12:
The fight is for the lord not we Christians.
Op keep it coming, we dey read am, in fact you dey work for God because you dey make us know how you guys dey reason
So keep it up, until God preach to you.

God bless you

Guess he's gonna kill me like he has always done

A number of cases of mass killings of people, apparently at God’s behest, are recorded in the Old Testament:

1. The Flood (Genesis 6-
2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19)
3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12)
4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21)
5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15)

The first three examples are similar in that there was no human agent involved – in each case it was God, or an angel of God, who carried out the mass killings directly. The mass killing of the Canaanites is the first of two cases in which the text claims that God’s people, the nation of Israel, were commanded by Him to attack other nations. For this reason, this case will be the focus of this study.

The problem many people have with these stories of mass killings is that they do not seem to fit the popular conception of the Christian God. In particular, the question is asked how a God of love could allow or even command such brutality. Furthermore, it is suggested that the God described in these Old Testament books is a different character from the God described in the New Testament. The former is supposedly angry, vindictive and ruthless, the latter loving, patient and forgiving. Even for people who are convinced that the Bible is true and represents God’s revelation of Himself these accounts can be deeply troubling, especially when one thinks about the death of innocent children.

Image123:
Think is an understatement, i know the snake to be your father.

But you think snakes talk still

MaxInDHouse:
True Christians don't just start talking without permission, we are not like your former pastors and religious cohorts who just stand up and start making noise. We ask for your permission before we speak with you. Obviously you don't want it so we will walk away without saying a word!

Permission granted

MaxInDHouse:
Intolerant?
Well you quoted me here so go and worship your God i'm OK with mine!

lol
Don't you want to evangelize?

Image123:
It's funny to see you scavenge through threads that don't concern you reading all you can about Whom you say doesn't exist. That's a lot of folly to cope with. i couldn't open 2 FSM threads or any other silly gods thread even if i was jobless.

But you still think a snake talked

MaxInDHouse:
All atheists are hopeless and you are one!

Why are you so intolerant?
This is why I joined pastafarianism instead of Christianity, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a loving and tolerantGod.
He hasn't committed genocide

Image123:
Ignoramuses all over. I AM

Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

Hebrews 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

It's funny to see someone who thinks a snake can talk calling others ignoramus.

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever you call it, your problem is hopelessness but believers are not hopeless like you so keep yourself hopelessness to yourself!

How did you know that I am hopeless?

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever you think, we BELIEVE (TRUST) in the book!

The gospel of the flying spaghetti monster?

There's all indicated that God is not anywhere.
Unless the deistic God

MaxInDHouse:
This is not what we read in the book but what you were taught by your captors who infused something else in your head!

So next time you have to stick to what the book says or you humbly and politely introduce what you learned somewhere else, not coming to interrupt when what you have in your head has nothing to do with the book in question!

What book?
Gospel of the flying spaghetti monster?

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SultanYoung:
Am not a Christian but this thing you type prove to me that you a very STUPID.


for disrespecting GOD am sorry but I know fully well you will be serve the delicacy you so much desire.

Must God make sense to you before you serve him?

Must you understand all his way before you serve him?

Must his words be very clear before you serve him.



Let me ask you a simple question did you understand SEX before you engage in it

Or did you understand all the content in beer and brevages before you take them.

[/s] you are the stupid person.
You have blinded by religion that you cannot even see the logic in his comment

TenQ:
Please, how many gravitational singularities were in existence just before the big bang/inflation?

have studied the ones we have now?

LordReed:
Yep. Because if he did create it he used a process that contrary to your opinions took several billion years with so many nonsensical shortcuts that if it were a human engineer his license would be revoked.

Very poor design

TenQ:
I meant the gravitational singularity that inflated to form the universe.

All my talks were inline with this!
The Gravitational Singularity that formed the Universe does NOT exist again! Does it?

If it doesn't exist again, it cannot be a constant

You didn’t know that we still have gravitational singularity in the universe.
So go and study the ones we have, it will help you understand how that one works.

TenQ:
I wander where I said that an element is a gravitational singularity.

I just simply used an example to clear your ignorance.

You said:
Gravitational singularity is a Constant.
I showed you that:
-Gravitational singularity doesn't exist again
-Gravitational singularity expanded to form the universe
So, how could it be a CONSTANT
[b]You argued that:[/b
It is constant because of its conservation of Energy


NOW, I SHOWED YOU the ILLOGICALITY of your argument by giving you the example of Polonium218 which spontaneously disintegrates YET obeying the law of conservation of Energy




How can Polonium 218 remain a constant when it NO MORE exist?

you said it here

harmargedon:
they didn't know that mountain Everest existed. Anything high enough to cover mountain Everest will surely reach the clouds. The ancient people believed that their cities was the entire world. If the fload happened then it happened only to Noah's City, the boat Noah made wasn't designed to sail, so there's no way he could have travelled round the world. There's no way he could have gathered all the animals in the world.

I wouldn’t have argued a local flood, we have evidence for that but global?

It doesn’t make sense in all ramifications.