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hupernikao:
Well like I told you, Bible is a theological book not scientific book. Read it as such. Don't look for scientific discoveries in the Bible, look for the idea being taught behind those narratives.

No one looks for science discoveries in the Bible, all you can see there is magic.
A man commanding fire, making people from mud, causing the sun to stop rotating, giving birth to a magical virgin baby.

Those are arrant nonsense

hupernikao:
Moses didn't write that, it was the same story in existence in Moses time. That was what science believed also in Moses time. Moses uses the prevailing knowledge of his time to explain God. Hope you get this.

If you see a scientist in Moses time he will tell you exactly what Moses said because that is the knowledge of their days.

How beit. Moses used this to explain God's plan. Hope you know Moses was writing to his people, and they are already aware of this story in their time even before Moses. So Moses wasn't writing scientific discoveries but theology.

Now answer this, since you are avoiding the question.

Does it make sense to you that a kangaroo hopped from Australia to Middle East?

hupernikao:
Can I ask you this.

In ancient world during the period of Moses narrative. What was the believe of the science of their days about creation?

There was no science then.

You should go an read what science is.

hupernikao:
Moses didn't write that, it was the same story in existence in Moses time. That was what science believed also in Moses time. Moses uses the prevailing knowledge of his time to explain God. Hope you get this.

If you see a scientist in Moses time he will tell you exactly what Moses said because that is the knowledge of their days.

How beit. Moses used this to explain God's plan. Hope you know Moses was writing to his people, and they are already aware of this story in their time even before Moses. So Moses wasn't writing scientific discoveries but theology.

There was no science in moses time, please correct that (that’s if moses existed).

You don’t know what science is, just stop saying that. Science was not practiced until Galilee Galileo.
How come all you Christians just assume what you know nothing about?

hupernikao:
What that statement means is that science is not against Christianity nor Christianity against science. If they ever converge, it will be at the infinite days.

The creation story is against science

Birth of Jesus is not science.

The fact that you want to insert god into everything is antiscience sir.

hupernikao:
Science may arrived at that later. Since its always changing.

nope, science won’t.

The biblical tales are lie, that has been confirmed long before now. Maybe another god but the one in the Bible, that one is laughable

hupernikao:
The story in Noah's account was it only recorded in the Bible? Have you studied the ancient world culture especially the region of Mesopotamia? They have the frost civilized world? Such stories prevailed then.

Moses used this to explain God's plan for the world.

A destruction to come, yet a savior to deliver shown by the ark. That's what Moses is explaining.

Just tell me how kangaroos made it to Noah’s ark. Leave long story

hupernikao:
But science have no solution yet.

doesnt mean your god did it. Does it?

hupernikao:
Christian faith is not scientific discoveries. Aren't you getting this. It's an explanation fo what is and will be yet the narrators used existing language, science and stories to give this narratives.

So I don’t want to hear the statement “many Christians are scientists”

That doesn’t hold any water as to how true their faith is as it cannnot influence their success in that field

hupernikao:
You haven't gotten the essence of Moses writing if the above is what you picked from his Noah's story.

Read this again

Moses usually used existing stories and knowledge to explain God's plan. He wasn't explaining astronomy or science. What you should search for is what is he trying to say.

i am very much curious as to how the kangaroos from Australia made it to Noah’s ark or the penguins from a far Antarctica made it.

Just answer that question and you win a soul

hupernikao:
. This is not true. There are many Christian who are scientist, hope you know.

It's past time for any one not to be open to debate on explanation of what is believed.

Mention any scientific discovery they have made by applying Christian Faith.

Just one

hupernikao:
Science didn't say that. They spoke in relative term.

magic don’t make science, does are found in religious books like the Bible.
Where light are made a talking celestial Kim.

hupernikao:
Well, this isn't true if you read with someone with open mind and ready to take your questions.

Are you aware Moses wasn't writing scientific discoveries but using existing knowledge to explain a plan?

Okay, I’m open minded.

Explain how a kangaroo hopped from Australia to join the Noah’s ark in Middle East 4000years Ago?
If you give a logical and reasonable how to this then I will believe you.

hupernikao:
Writing it in text is better.

So, that means you can't conclusively throw away what others proposed until you can find your own answer. That is how science works.

we are open to only verifiable evidence and Christian don’t have that.

They just want us to take “god did it” that will never make science. You and I know that

hupernikao:
Writing it in text is better.

So, that means you can't conclusively throw away what others proposed until you can find your own answer. That is how science works.

We are sure that the Christian narrative is wrong. Very wrong.

hupernikao:
An am sure you know, a case like Moses, he wrote based on e siting culture and knowledge and stories of their time to explain God's plan.

He wasn't telling you stories not discovering science but explaining theology. Put that behind somewhere as you read, read theology not evolution.

If you read the Bible by yourself, you will become an atheist. If someone reads the Bible for you and then interpret, you will become a Christian.

hupernikao:
I have asked you where does life starts.

That means science doesn't proposed any?

We don’t know where life came from yet.

Should I write that in tongues?

hupernikao:
You read it with the mindset of what you have heard wrongly. You need a supervision to help you see beyond those wrong info

I don’t need any scammer to twist clear English words for me.

It’s clear and very understandable sir. I don’t want to hear Holy Spirit nonsense.

Jesus was born without fertilization, that’s magic in all definition and it doesn’t find its way into science class

hupernikao:
You will need to reread the scriptures with a supervision of someone who know how to read it.

I read it and that’s why I don’t believe it. It’s magic

hupernikao:
We don't know. Good.
But science proposed several theories, like big bang etc.
Scriptures said a God created.

Which of these seems more magical or stupid to take.

Big Bang doesn’t explain formation of life.
You need to learn proper science

Why are you confuse?

hupernikao:
How does this relate to the scriptures.

The scriptures is magic.

From creation to, Noah’s ark, to Elijah chariot of fire, Jesus birth and resurrection.

All are perfect examples of magic by definition

hupernikao:
Yes I am. Answer. How did life got here.
Magic or Science

We don’t know yet.

hupernikao:
It's supernatural.

Again, here’s the definite of magic:

magic, sometimes stylized as magick, is the application of beliefs, rituals or actions employed in the belief that they can subdue or manipulate natural or supernatural beings and forces.

hupernikao:
Your OP is firstly on wrong premise. The Bible never speak about 6000years. You did. And I expect you to explain how you did that and infused it into Bible doctrine.

Every single Christian has their own interpretation for the Bible, that’s why we have more 4000 different doctrines. All confused about what they feel.
A good number of Christians think the earth is 6000years as depicted by the chronology of the Bible

hupernikao:
Like I said, you may likely have gotten a wrong class and study. So your emphasis on magic.

I wasn't taught like that.

So the birth of Jesus is a natural birth?

hupernikao:
We are speaking about how life got here. Man there will represent all life. So, my question, how does life began. How did the ape get to be. Magic or Science?

are you confused?

You asked how man got here.

hupernikao:
Maybe you were taught magic in your Sunday school or where ever you had your expose of the scriptures. I wasn't. So your background may be the trouble here. Don't you think.

now see how stupid is question is, here is the definition of magic:

magic, sometimes stylized as magick, is the application of beliefs, rituals or actions employed in the belief that they can subdue or manipulate natural or supernatural beings and forces.

hupernikao:
Are we dragging truth of the Bible here?
You have accepted that what you hold absolute, is just stable at most for 500 years. How stable can that be since the earth is over millions of years old.

The instability of science should give you a sense of relativity of argument. So calm down.

Maybe you should go back and read the op of this thread.
I’m not in for your derailing

hupernikao:
You assumed a position of wise one
I accept. But answer my question. Don't move around.

Its a stupid question to ask the magic in Christianity, it’s silly. Maybe you should check for the meaning of the word “magic” then read the Bible carefully

hupernikao:
You haven't answered me. How did man comes to be. Give answers that you trust.

Through evolution from ancient apes

hupernikao:
You haven't answered me.

dont ask me stupid questions.
I’m not here to take stupid questions, if you don’t see the birth of Jesus as a magic then leave it

hupernikao:
You have said nothing. All I read is just lack of calmness to read properly.

You must first help yourself to read well all I write so that you aren't responding outside the mark.

No one is disputing scientific result here. Pay attention to the next statement.

All scientific findings have changed in every 500 years if not less, and I said, most of the discoveries don't stand a thousand years before being changed, updated or discarded. That is what being relative means.

What you called precision today, in another 100 years, science will evolve and then you will know its never close to precision. So what's your point of absoluteness.

So because of that the Bible has to be true?

What kind of reasoning is this?