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Olayoo:
Bro u talk like the illiterate you are talking about. Here u said " if I cannot afford the telescopes that can "detect" black hole". Dude u are dumb.Scientists can't directly observe black holes with telescopes .We can, however, infer the presence of black holes and study them by detecting their effect on other matter nearby. But yet its presence its still doubted. There are theories that suggest they may not exist. Maybe fuzzballs does it all.
And for the fourth dimension, Mr atheist who talks without full knowledge of what he his are talking about, you said "satellites cannot give accurate GPS readings without properly accounting for effects of 4th dimension. ". Correlation does not imply causation. If they feel the effects of the fourth dimension doesn't mean it exist. Yet we still think it does.
Stop babbling about evidence up and down but understand that one of the principles of the sciences is falsifiability. Because there is no evidence that conform to your limited senses doesn't mean he doesn't exist[/s].

You are a scientifically illiterate person. An arrogant one at that, since you want science education, I will school you and still let you know that you god does not exist.
Whenever a religious person tries to talk science, they always end up embarrassing themselves and saying jargons

Fourth dimension is time, that according to the theory of relativity postulated by Albert Einstein. It implies that after the x,y,z dimensions in spaces, time serves as the 4the dimension hence formulated the term space-time continuum to describe the relation between x,y,z and fourth diemension “time”.
Einstein theory of relativity describes perception of time, which is the fourth deimension as being relative, hence the theory of relativity. He says that the time perceived by an object depends on the how it travels through the space-time fabric, the perception of time is influenced by the speed (theory of special relativity) and the gravity (theory of general relativity) acting on this object.

For a satellites giving GPS reading orbiting earth, it travels at different speed and has different degree of gravity acting upon it. This means that it is traveling at another rate through the 4th dimension through space hence time dilation will occur. If we don’t factor in that time dilation into the calculation then it won’t give accurate results. I hope you understand this basic lessons on fourth dimension and how it’s been detected in reading of GPS data.
I don’t think you can because you probably don’t know basic physics

This will be too cumbersome for a religious brain they are usually scientifically illiterate hence they believe in god. You better face your normal argument and don’t talk science that you know little about

God still doesn’t exist

Nothingserious:
I actually made my point a long time ago.
This is nothing serious. I am just having fun.
Just showing you how silly and warped your logic is. I know that for the next 100 years, you can never answer any of those questions.
I know you exist even though you can’t prove your consciousness. I know logic exists even though you can’t prove it. I know you have a mind even though you can’t empirically prove it.
I know you appreciate aesthetics even though you can’t prove it empirically. I know numbers exist even though you have no empirical proof for them. I know you appreciate beauty even though you can’t demonstrate it empirically. I know the experiences we have about the origins of the universe are true even though we can’t empirically demonstrate them.
Those are true even without empirical proofs.
There are no scientific proofs for scientific theories/laws. But we know and assume they are valid. To say science has disproved God is not even a scientific truth and is not an empirical statement.

God is immaterial, timeless, spaceless and transcendent. You cannot use the prism of materialism to demonstrate God with a lab crucible. You cannot even strictly say “proof of God” as proofs are strictly done in maths.

But we have various arguments that have been adduced intellectually for God’s existence:

1. Cosmological argument notably the Kalaaam Cosmological argument.
2. Teleological arguments that talk about fine-tuning
3. Arguments from morality
4. The times, works, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and his teachings and revelations about God
5. Personal experiences and divine revelations through the Holy Spirit in the life of believers.

If you are a sincere atheist, you would argue about the sufficiency and insufficiency of the adduced evidences or arguments. If you are an insincere and amateur atheist, you would just scream “ no evidence for God”.

Choose wisely the type of atheist you want to be and defend your position.
But then, no atheist has successfully demonstrated God doesn’t exist.

You may read up the weaknesses of verificationism and scientism to help your stance.

This is my last response to you for now.

Cheers

God Still doesn’t exist dude.
Your point didn’t bring your god into existence

Koolyarn:
Conscience? Emotions ?

You skipped class when they were giving definition for the word “evidence”?

Olayoo:
What if this flying spaghetti monster preferred the bible and the other Christian stuffs.

What is he doesn’t?

Olayoo:
What if the flying spaghetti monster is secretly the christian God.

Then Christians have to start reading the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and not the Bible

They need to start following the doctrines to receive blessings from his noodly appendages. Christians have to start wearing colanders and pirate attire to worship the most noodly.

Remember he boiled for your sins, Parmesan be upon him.

Olayoo:
But u said he does

The Flying Spaghetti Monster exist, Christian god doesn’t exist

Nothingserious, your imaginary friend doesn’t exist
Deal with it

Nothingserious, I am here to take your silly questions, please don’t stop

God doesn’t exist

Nothingserious:
Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

God doesn’t exist

Nothingserious:
I am still building God into your subconscious. You must learn sense by force.

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

God doesn’t exist.
You have proven that

Nothingserious:
And he was even trying to give you the cosmological and ontological evidences for God. He tried sef. Why waste such time on someone whose mind is closed to logic and reason? Hahaha!
Someone who cannot prove his logic, consciousness and mind? How will he consider the cosmological, teleological, moral arguments for God?

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

God doesn’t exist
So fun doing this

Nothingserious:
Lol! Are you trying to make one last frantic attempt to clutch at a straw? You are an intellectually drowning guy!

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

god doesn’t exist

Olayoo:
Brah read my comment and understand before answering. God is the cause before everything. He doesn't have to be even conscious. Based on physical laws, the universe has a beginning. What prompted this beginning. God.

Flying Spaghetti Monster is the cause before everything.
Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t have to be even conscious

I’m stupid, I don’t know the answer so I am just gonna say god did it

Olayoo:
Give me evidence that a black hole exist. And then test it for me. Or give me evidence that the universe has a fourth dimension and test it for me.

I am not here to teach you basic science. It’s not problem if you cannot afford telescopes that can detect black holes or you don’t know that satellites cannot give accurate GPS readings without properly accounting for effects of 4th dimension.

You can’t be scientifically illiterate and be gullible at the same time

That’s too much for you to bear

Just give me anything to test your god

Olayoo:
It exist in your books, your mind. Since existence cannot be limited by the physical world. God exist. Deal with it. Because your limited sensory experience can fathom what lies behind the physical world doesn't mean he doesn't.

Same way god exist in the books of believers and their minds.

You need to deal with the fact that god and the Flying Spaghetti Monster are equivalent in terms of whether they exist or not.

Olayoo:
What evidence. You use logic that can be refuted by a new scientific law. Atheists have long existed. Even during the steady state theories that dominated the physical sciences before general relativity came along. You talk of empiricism and logic and fail to account the fact that God can be anything

If logic is enough, science wont have emanated.

Evidence has established more truth than anything, logic is prone to bais, manipulation and sometimes the loudest person wins the argument.

Evidence I straight, provide it and let’s test it. Anyone who don’t like evidence is a liar and fraudulent person. That person is trying to use fraud to hide something.

There is hardly fraud in evidence because to gives the clear picture

Olayoo:
Prove he doesn't.

Flying Spaghetti Monster is the creator of Christian and Islam god.

Prove that he doesn’t exist?

Olayoo:
Prove he doesn't.

Then prove Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t exist as well

Olayoo:
I never said I am a follower of any religion.Plus u talk of evidence. U should as Rene Descartes if there is evidence that consciousness exist. I never said God created the universe. Or a "God" for that matter. That doesn't mean one didn't. Understanding a supreme dirty is like predicting artificial super intelligence in the future. Atheist are still as gullible religious people.

There is nothing gullible about,
Please provide evidence for what your claim.

Stop embarrassing yourself, atheist are the most reasonable people because demeaning evidence means you can’t be gullible.

Nothingserious:
Game up for this non-existent entity who cannot as much as show empirical evidence that I am not chatting with a puppet or toy now.



Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

God doesn’t exist

Nothingserious:
You are not God. That is the big difference! Lol

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

God doesn’t exist

Olayoo:
I never said I am a follower of any religion.Plus u talk of evidence. U should as Rene Descartes if there is evidence that consciousness exist. I never said God created the universe. Or a "God" for that matter. That doesn't mean one didn't. Understanding a supreme dirty is like predicting artificial super intelligence in the future. Atheist are still as gullible religious people.

They way you people quote authorities like you do what you are saying is laughable.

Try tried shifting the burden of proof and then you quote an author. I don’t care whom you quote, if he didn’t provide evidence for god, I cannot say he exist. It’s totally his opinion

Nothingserious:
Hahaha! You are still here wasting time.
Go and devote the amount of time you spend ruminating about our God to refute spaghetti and spider-man. We have raised GOD-CONSCIOUSNESS in you. May God be with you always. And may his consciousness abide in your mind now and ever, Amen!

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Because your god can’t show up, you ask silly questions.

I can’t believe I’m thing that can’t help me when I need them to show up. It’s hard to be you

Nothingserious:
Running from pillar to post now? Snake in Genesis and all supernatural events still revolve around your problem with naturalism/materialism/verificationism/scientism. As far as you carry hammer around and think everything is a nail, you will still be stuck at where you are.

I already concluded you don’t exist as you have failed to give me empirical evidence of your consciousness, mind and logic.

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

If I were god, I will just prove myself and save you from this embarrassment, but god doesn’t exist

He can’t show up

Nothingserious:
You don’t exist. I asked you to show me empirical evidence of your consciousness, mind and this warped logic you are applying. You failed since. You don’t exist if you don’t provide that. QED

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

All the question because his god disappointed him.
Can’t show himself

Dead god

Olayoo:
There is no proof that he doesn't either. Atheists are close minded. The universe is complex. We haven't even cracked his the brain works talkless of understanding if a supreme dirty exist.

Theres no proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Spider-Man don’t exist either. Maybe Spider-Man created the universe

There’s nothing as scared of evidence as religion. It pains you people when that is demanded

Are you hiding something?

BassReeves:
You're deluded. Imagine you, a handiwork of God, denying who your Creator is

I am not the handiwork of a nonexistent being.
I exist and can be proven, your god doesn’t.
They earlier you StArt thinking like someone with brain, the better

Nothingserious:
Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

When you are done running away from providing evidence for your god. I will still ask you evidence for taking snakes in Genesis
Funny people, that’s they get scammed easily

Nothingserious:
Hahaha! This guy you are still here?
We already concluded you don’t exist since you failed to prove your consciousness to us empirically. Hahahaha!
Remember your logic about what cannot be tested doesn’t exist, including you and your logic.


Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

God doesn’t exist.
Same way talking snakes don’t

It exist in the head of gullible Christians

They also believe in taking snakes

BassReeves:
Deuteronomy 6:16
'Never test the LORD your God as you did at Massah.'

Matthew 4:7
'Jesus responded,
“The Scriptures also say, ‘You must not test the Lord your God.’”'

Workch , beloved, God is an exception to the 'Everything can be tested if it exist' rule

Never test your lord because we don’t want you to know that he doesn’t exist

You are gullible

Nothingserious:
Hahaha!
I guess you are stuck. Any day you feel like considering and responding, we talk. Until then, you haven’t earned the right to ask anyone about proofs for a supernatural and immaterial God.

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

You are the person stuck in deluded beliefs created from Stone Age. You should be ashamed of yourself for that

More ashamed than you believe it like a zombie without evidence. Seems like ancient humans who made this up are even smarter than you

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not supporting the religious title chief but in some cases most of this material things do come as gifts from their admirers who believe they're seeking God's favor, blessings or forgiveness by dashing God's servants part of the things they stole from the masses!

Little wonder the Job so lucrative for charlatans. When you collect gifts in the name of a nonexistent entity.
No one can verify whether you are right or wrong