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Righteousness2:
We said it long time ago that Covid is the Red Carpet to the Beast System.

The foot soldiers of the Lawless one are Spearheading the Enforcement of the Beast System.

Only those with Deep understanding will Understand these things.

Thank GOD for JESUS Christ. We do not need any Vaccine or green pass to access Eternal Life.

The Signs are Everywhere! JESUS IS COMING Quickly! Be Ready!

Why are you this fanatical?
Don’t you have functioning neurons?

obixcel:
Look at d wonders of nature, look up in the sky, take a look at yourself and your entire being as a human; Consider everything and tell me what u find.

I don't have time for circular reasoning, fallacies and total scientific ignorance in this statement

obixcel:
Whatever. Meditate on this Psalm. 14:1;

I don't just believe in your God.
I also do not believe in Odin, superman, sango, Krishna, Satan, Amadioha etc.

Deal with it

obixcel:
At least you're being honest to your self. That's the Atheist belief.

Lol, deluded person.
If you like twist words, na you Sabi

obixcel:
Lol, You can't handle the truth, can you?

What truth? Lol

Deludisonal people.
God doesn't exist

FreedomfromtheT:
Thank you very much. In the face of glaring evidence of the manifestations of God's existence, some are still blindfolded by Satan and choose damnation instead. You simply harm yourself, not God or believers. Thanks.

What evidence?
You are deluded

Koolyarn:
Ohhh from imaginary class to dictionary!

You are been micheavous with a seemingly higher knowledge source which you posses not

Tell you what..
It is blindly stupid to argue with your class

Lol

Any belief that is not substantiated by evidence is nothing more than delusion. In the case of religion, it is mass delusion that has been brought on by organised religions taking advantage of gullible people, their hopes and their fears.

Not convinced? They can’t all be right, can they?

This has been happening for thousands of years, often with organised religions using scare tactics (threats of hell and damnation), ostracisation, persecution, torture and death to any who oppose their belief system. On the other hand, any who follow are promised (again without any merit) rewards of an eternal life of bliss and salvation.

Those organised religions in the meantime have been amassing wealth unequalled in any other part of society. They are dripping with riches, all at the expense of the common man.

So, as an atheist, on the basis that no credible evidence has ever been presented for the existence of any gods (of which there have been thousands) I’m a little confused which god theists would have me believe in. Most ‘philosophical’ arguments (the teleological, cosmological, ontological, intelligent design, irreducible complexity, arguments against evolution or the big bang, arguments that god is responsible for evolution and the big bang, and a whole host of others) completely fail in describing which god is responsible. The same arguments can (and often are) used by theists from many different religions.

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All religious scriptures are errant, contradictory and their veracity and authorship have been questioned since their inception. I think most theists don’t even see that their scriptures are not inherently proof of their content and often resort to circular reasoning.

I honestly think most theists want to believe or are afraid not to believe (both positions for many reasons). They’ve been convinced that ‘faith’ is a rational thing - evidence is secondary. Their ‘rational’ justifications for their beliefs are often based on fallacious reasoning or they are simply unwilling to admit that beliefs they’ve held for most of their lives are wrong.

Any evidence for any specific god would not only be incredibly compelling to atheists, it would also be incredibly compelling to theists from all other religions. This is not to say that I would accept an argumentum ad populum as a reasonable cause to change my own beliefs, but it would be a start.

I doubt that such evidence would ever take the form of philosophical argument. However compelling an argument might seem, it is never actual evidence. And of course most arguments are demonstrably fallacious. For me, I think it would have to be an actual physical manifestation of a being that is capable of defying the laws of physics and demonstrating that it was capable of true creation.

What amazes me, utterly astounds me, is that the majority of the people on the planet are willing to accept less.

As far as I can tell, god (from any religion) is indistinguishable from something that simply doesn’t exist, except what theists attempt to tell you. Why they think I would buy into their delusional mindset is beyond me.

Having Faith’ requires having something unproven to exist to believe in. The moment something has empirical evidence, belief is no longer required, that something has become a fact. Unfortunately those that ‘believe’ conflate belief with fact, and in doing so, they put no more effort into the matter. It is always easier and lazier to ‘believe’ in something rather than to truly investigate it.

Koolyarn:
Seem you are irritated with the evidence given to you..
I can see it disarmed your arguement.
I definitely skip class when the definition was given , possibly the class where you were arguing on your wrapped delusion and feeble attempt to bring forth a reasonable discuss ion.

You should have looked up for the word evidence in the dictionary before you typed those as evidence.

FreedomfromtheT:
If you think God doesn't exist, that is your own cup of tea. God who changed my life from a sinner to a saint of God exists. The God for who Pastor William Kumuyi a first class Mathematics graduate has left the world to suffer and labour in His vineyard for more than 50 years exists. The God that made a broken finger to grow back in Zambia on the prayers of pastor Kumuyi exists. The God that made a short leg to grow to match the other at Lagos State University at the prayers of His servant surely exists . The God that healed an entire family of 6 of COVID-19 in the United States after the prayers of pastor Kumuyi exists. The God that raised a dead man back to life at Abakiliki, Ebonyi State as pastor Kumuyi prayed exists. It is not about pastor Kumuyi. It is about God Who has been using him these decades. You are free not to believe. You are also free to believe, repent and make Jesus Christ your Lord and personal Saviour for your own eternal wellbeing today. Thanks.

Rubbish. Unfunctioning brain

budaatum:
Lol, workch.

Work harder so you know if God exists or not!

Hint! You might need to start with "What is God", as I've already mentioned, and if you don't mind going down rabbit holes.

I don’t have a problem with that. There are better things to do with my time rather find a nonexistent god

budaatum:
You wishy washy lame believing atheist! You are no different to a person who believes God exists, for you both make up crap in your head and believe it.

I am certain your first reaction is denial, but the operative word here is belief, which is in no way the equivalent of knowledge, or even, understanding.

Work some now. Think about it.

I don’t believe god exist

budaatum:
As soon as you believe the person is dogmatic, you become dogmatic too, workch, is what the evidence suggests. It's what you've done in this thread while conversing with me, and why I insulted you by calling you a believer.

One can read a book to understand what's in the book without believing it, and believing a book one read is just plain brainlessly dumb, as interrogation would show the believer has not bothered to understand.

Imagine believing a Physics textbook instead of understanding it. That, is the problem we face in Nigeria, despite reading (believing, rather) that one must ask and knock and seek with all of one's senses, which is precisely the meaning of 'to do science'.

Do know that you have obeyed the saying that begins,"(hu)mans shall not live by bread alone". It's why you are less malnourished than some. I've added the exact quote so you show how it brings out the inevitable dog in you. Your dog amuses me.

As for forcing opinions down your throat, I can not bring myself to believe you are so weak as to be force fed.

Whatever happens here, I will never accept that a god exist without evidence.

I will change my mind when I see an evidence.

Olayoo:
My definition of God is just following the cosmological argument, "for everything there is a cause, and for every cause a cause in turn ad infinitum" that will lead us to the first cause. That first cause is God. I also have problems with the bible. The Quran is worse. There is a lot of contradictions in it. God can be anything we cannot fathom.

The problem with this line of reasoning is that

1. “If everything has a cause” then this will result in an infinite regress. “Turtles all the way down” effect.

2. If you say god is first cause then are we talking about one of the gods we know on earth?

3. If yes then does the description match evidence available?

4. Why must the rule of “everything has a cause” stop with a god? It creates a bigger problem of having to find the cause of god.


This is why in logic and reasoning, we employ the Occam’s razor method to settle for the less ambiguous answers; in this case, we have two problems

1. we don’t know if there’s a god.
2. If there’s a god, who created the god and so on.
The best simplest answer to follow is the first using occam’s razor. We don’t know if there’s a god and if there’s any, it has to be backed by evidence.

Olayoo:
Both of you should be open. Religious and atheistic militants. Sometimes atheist act like
religious extremists. If you can't prove or disprove something then be open. The problem here is not if he exist its the definition of God here.

I don’t know if a creator exist, but I am sure the Christians god doesn’t exist.
I’m 100% sure that the Christian god is hoax, all results and well established scientific facts is against the existence of Christian description of a god

Olayoo:
Um forcing nothing on u. I didn't say that God exist. I'm implying that he can exist. Maybe u should read it again.

We started having issues when you want me to prove that he doesn’t exist.

That’s a faulty line of argument. Maybe I would have given you good audience if you didn’t ask me to disprove something that hasn’t been proven.

Olayoo:
U are confusing me. I don't even know what u stand for. I'm trying to explain to Mr workch why a God can exist. U are a christian and u are tackling me...or let me ask . are u a christian.

My stance is clear.

I don’t believe god exist, I didn’t make the god claim, if you claim god exist then I need evidence to be sure you are right.
Our knowledge so far in science already shows that the Christian and Muslim descriptions of god doesn’t add up.

Olayoo:
So far...I've learnt a lot from this discourse, and come with a conclusion that we can't know for certain if God exist. We can't prove he's existence and neither can we disprove it. Science will explain better to us the meaning and limits of our physical world and with technology we will alter it. God doesn't have to be a conscious being. He could be the sum total of the universe or multiverse, he could be a quark or a wave( he could have started the big bang) we won't know. But we we do know is that we can't look to superstitions to guide humanity. NEITHER can we ascertain for sure that that he/ she or whatever extra dimension he exist DOES NOT EXIST.

Then who should provide the evidence?
Me or the person making the god claim?

Your reply will determine whether I should take you seriously else we can continue in tantrums.

Olayoo:
So far...I've learnt a lot from this discourse, and come with a conclusion that we can't know for certain if God exist. We can't prove he's existence and neither can we disprove it. Science will explain better to us the meaning and limits of our physical world and with technology we will alter it. God doesn't have to be a conscious being. He could be the sum total of the universe or multiverse, he could be a quark or a wave( he could have started the big bang) we won't know. But we we do know is that we can't look to superstitions to guide humanity. NEITHER can we ascertain for sure that that he/ she or whatever extra dimension he exist DOES NOT EXIST.

Alright calm down dude.
If you want to have a very sane and serious discussion. I’m in.
But if you want to force your religious tenets on me without evidence, I will not allow that

budaatum:
And your not teaching is why I have challenged you on this thread. You learnt, and you have assumed everyone has been priviledged to learn what you have learnt so you have come here to challenge them for not being as informed as you are.

It shows you do not value the work you've done and think everyone has done the same work you did, thereby basically undervaluing yourself, in my opinion. If you weren't undervaluing yourself, the words below that a wise man is written to have uttered would have significant meaning to you. But I guess you'd throw out the baby with the water you bathed it in, since your angst isn't quite against some imaginary God that no one has seen but against a physical book that anyone can pick up and read and either decide to brainlessly believe, or understand.

See below the same error, belief as opposed to understanding, being made by a science graduate.

I am willing to sincerely learn and teach anyone who’s willing but the moment I sense that the person I am conversing with is dogmatic and just willing to force his opinion down my throat, I stop taking such a person seriously.

Olayoo:
If u find some questions stupid. Then you are the ignorant one. Stop shielding and running. It just takes a simple answer to settle this things. I asked to prove ordinary 4th dimension. If I say 10 nko. You need to grind up your argument. No question is stupid. If you can't answer just say it. No man is an island of knowledge. I'll explain it to u.

I don’t think I should be lecturing you on 4h dimensions, a puzzle that has been solved since 1916.
It’s your problem if you are so ignorant that you can’t understand a 1916 puzzle

It’s worse that you can’t even use google to learn

budaatum:
You very welcome.

You mentioned string theory and relativity. Do they teach those in Nigerian schools yet? If they do, then I think you must become more forceful in your teaching those who refuse to learn, but if they don't, perhaps compassion for those who aren't taught it is what is required as we can not all be as blessed and priviledged as you are.

P.s The book below that I ordered arrived today.
Here's a link to a pdf download for those who love learning as opposed to believing.

Thanks for sharing, I will go through it.

budaatum:
You very welcome.

You mentioned string theory and relativity. Do they teach those in Nigerian schools yet? If they do, then I think you must become more forceful in your teaching those who refuse to learn, but if they don't, perhaps compassion for those who aren't taught it is what is required as we can not all be as blessed and priviledged as you are.

P.s The book below that I ordered arrived today.
Here's a link to a pdf download for those who love learning as opposed to believing.

I don’t teach, however I learnt some of these basics in my curiosity to find answers to the god hypothesis.

Olayoo:
U are running from explaining why. Because ull get stuck in the middle gasping for a sensible explanation. I understand. If I'm talking blindly point to a point when I did so.

I a telling you to read theory of relativity or ask a good ss3 science student to explain it to you

Since you are ignorant

The scientific world have started talking about 10 dimensions in string theory and you are here still stuck and struggling to grasp 4th dimension

What a pity

Olayoo:
Weird . u said there is no evidence that my God exist. U didn't specify. U contradict yourself several times than I can imagine. U said "Nothing in the universe shows that " God" exist". And you also said "Even if a god exist, it’s certainly not the Christian God". what are u doing to yourself. Please does God exist. I'm beginning to misunderstand what you even stand for.

No evidence god exist sir.

If you have evidence, show me

Olayoo:
You've proved nothing about the fourth dimension. Or OK. Let me ask you again. Please read and understand before replying. Does the fourth dimension exist? If yes tell me y if no tell me y .

Yes it does.

It’s explain in the theory of relativity by Albert Einstein. But you are bad in physics

If I were you, I will go to google and learn about theory of relativity but no, you only want to argue and say god exist blindly which I will agree to

That’s why you don’t know it

God still doesn’t exist

Olayoo:
You don't talk like an atheist so far. You are a newbie atheist. I myself can prove God dosent exist far better than u. People like u will just wake up see small things in a book and start shouting there is no God.

stop being aggressive
I wasn’t the person that said you should start talking about 4th dimension when you don’t know basic physics

Olayoo:
Your understanding and logical conclusion of what existence, God,even physics is low. I'm not a religious person neither am I atheistic. I only chase after truth. Logical and undiluted truth. So far u cannot back ur points. The first step to atheism is curiosity. And to be curious you need to be "open minded" and question everything including your die hard beliefs. So far, it is not your conclusion that is suffering but how you arrive at it. Ask why before commenting rubbish.

Nothing in the universe shows that god exist. Nothing.
Even if a god exist, it’s certainly not the Christian God. That god is a joke and his descriptions are full of flaws, his books are full of lies and unrealistic stuffs

We have pondered it several times and it’s all jargons

Olayoo:
Your understanding and logical conclusion of what existence, God,even physics is low. I'm not a religious person neither am I atheistic. I only chase after truth. Logical and undiluted truth. So far u cannot back ur points. The first step to atheism is curiosity. And to be curious you need to be "open minded" and question everything including your die hard beliefs. So far, it is not your conclusion that is suffering but how you arrive at it. Ask why before commenting rubbish.

You don’t want to talk about 4th dimension again?
I’m curious that’s why I need evidence to accept god hypothesis

Olayoo:
U are extra dimensionally gullible. I've been telling you that u should read my post before you comment. I'll just keep tackling you till I expose your fake and pretense you call atheisim. I asked you a simple question" can u prove the fourth dimension exist". I meant four dimensional space. Even your fourth dimension in terms of time is still disputed dude. Einstein themed time as an illusion. I'm sure I've come in terms with the rubbish you said about observing black hole. See bro the best way to argue logically and sensibly is to read, understand and after you are sure, reply.

Of course time is illusion, you don’t know?
It’s relative and illusion unless you are observing all reference frames and for a photon, time doesn’t exist. A photon doesn’t travel through fourth dimension.

How do I educate this scientifically illiterate dude on basic physics?

Na only god did it he knows

Olayoo:
U are extra dimensionally gullible. I've been telling you that u should read my post before you comment. I'll just keep tackling you till I expose your fake and pretense you call atheisim. I asked you a simple question" can u prove the fourth dimension exist". I meant four dimensional space. Even your fourth dimension in terms of time is still disputed dude. Einstein themed time as an illusion. I'm sure I've come in terms with the rubbish you said about observing black hole. See bro the best way to argue logically and sensibly is to read, understand and after you are sure, reply.

Illiterate and show of ignorance continues.

Even the international space station accounts for forth dimension. You can run the international space station without fourth dimension.
We can’t send anything to space without fourth dimension. You need to put it into calculation.
You are product of a failed science education system
The only thing you know is “god did it”

You are bad in science, calm down and Learn, remove be god idea nonsense from your head

Olayoo:
Bro u talk like the illiterate you are talking about. Here u said " if I cannot afford the telescopes that can "detect" black hole". Dude u are dumb.Scientists can't directly observe black holes with telescopes .We can, however, infer the presence of black holes and study them by detecting their effect on other matter nearby. But yet its presence its still doubted. There are theories that suggest they may not exist. Maybe fuzzballs does it all.
And for the fourth dimension, Mr atheist who talks without full knowledge of what he his are talking about, you said "satellites cannot give accurate GPS readings without properly accounting for effects of 4th dimension. ". Correlation does not imply causation. If they feel the effects of the fourth dimension doesn't mean it exist. Yet we still think it does.
Stop babbling about evidence up and down but understand that one of the principles of the sciences is falsifiability. Because there is no evidence that conform to your limited senses doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Mr. Man doesn’t know that fourth dimension is time

No wonder they put god into anything they don’t understand

Science just suffered, Mr. God lover doesn’t understand theory of relativity I will teach you basic science and still show you that you argue for god because you don’t know science

What a shame