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Nothingserious:
Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Same set of questions because he has no evidence for his blind believes.

Blind follower of faith

budaatum:
God lover, is a new one. Hopefully, you know it means, lover of one's fellow human beings, because that is what the God books teach.

ok thanks

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Nothingserious:
Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

i will respond to you when I see evidence for your god. No long unnecessary stories

Ishilove:
Smh. This is the kind of arguments Apostle Paul warned us against

Its an argument because some of us won’t swallow the extraordinary stories without evidence.

It will always be an argument until evidence comes

budaatum:
Work! You jumped! First, you need to begin with What is God?

Searching for an answer to that question is a journey every serious atheist must go through instead of theistically accepting what they are religiously conditioned to believe. One can tell those who haven't gone on the journey because they'll say they "don't believe in the existence of God" without quite understanding their belief is as inconsequential as those who believe in the existence of God, as both think what they believe in their head is real.

After you have an answer to What is God, you and I can then discuss the God of buda. Meanwhile however, by buda's fruits would you know buda's God. Fruits, in case you are not aware, means, evidence.

P.s. I am assuming your name is a true indication of who and what you are. A worker, as opposed to a lazy believing fuq.

Another god lover with long epistles but no evidence.

I was hoping that you will just say; this is the evidence, go and test it.

budaatum:
That's the thing, Work, and why I have been nicely amused by your only tool is a hammer attitude.

I am not arguing, Workch. I am discussing with the hope of exchanging and sharing ideas and knowledge. Unfortunately, as I keep repeating to you with the hope you'd see, your hammer is to argue, which unfortunately blinds you to understanding. You may want to go back and read over our discussion. It is after all evident.

Ok. I didn’t see any evidence in your conversation. What is your problem?

Nothingserious:
If it doesn’t have evidence then it can’t be trusted.

Is that the truth? Is it a scientific truth? Can it be empirically tested? It cannot. So your speech here cannot be trusted. Make another attempt.

I doubt you exist and can be trusted cos I haven’t seen proof of your consciousness.
I doubt your logic here is valid and can be trusted. I haven’t seen it’s empirical proof.

In short, you don’t exist. Your logic don’t exist. They cannot be trusted. Because you don’t have empirical proof for them.
You are just like a spaghetti

Everything can be tested if it exist

budaatum:
You are demanding evidence for my own God, Workch? Now, why would I want to provide evidence of my God for you? Do you think I intend to share my God with you and limit the time my God has for me because my God is spending time with you?

Please know that the God of buda is a very selfish God and only buda does it serve, and I do not wish you to know the God of buda when you can't even be bothered to know buda the owner of my God!

That said. If you really wish to know the God of buda, start by asking first, What is God, instead of assuming and believing what you already think you know.

Ok good then.

So who’s the god of buda?

budaatum:
No I did not make a claim of a god, workch.

Open your eyes so you may understand and not misspeak please, though I can forgive how you could have mistaken me for those making claims for gods.

so what’s your argument all about?

Nothingserious:
The problem with people like you.
If you can’t read that simple text, then you have no right to ask anyone for evidences or God.

Materialism/naturalism/scientism/verificationism do not have answers to all reality.

If you can provide empirical evidences for logic and reason, maths and numbers, consciousness, beauty, then we can start the discussion.

If you can’t, then just keep learning

If it doesn’t have evidence then it can’t be trusted.

You made the claim and you must provide the evidence that your imaginary sky friend exist else he exist only in your head and that of others who share your notion.

Don’t come here committing fallacy of complex questions, I am not going to follow you through that fallacious route. Why is it hard to give testable evidence for your god? Why?

It’s simple, you claim god exist, prove it. Else he’s another version of Flying Spaghetti Monster

Nothingserious:
Richard Dawkins, Stephen Hawkins, Sam Harris, Anthony Flew ( who later jettisoned atheistic ideas and embraced theism) could not categorically say there is no God.

Who are you to say so?

You can’t disprove it. Just rest.

Appealing to Authority is not evidence

God doesn’t exist until we see evidence sir

Nothingserious:
This is your subtle way of saying “ I don’t know”.
Go back and read the Lewontin quote line by line and word for word and respond.

Were you the one who talked about logic and reason? I laughed and asked you to give me empirical proofs for existence of logic and numbers and consciousness. At least you claim all reality can be reduced to empirical data.

If you can’t provide them, then we can move ahead and discuss the timeless, spaceless and immaterial God.

I just need you to have a foundation on our discussion

Then god remains in hiding and won’t exist.

Your problem and not mine.

BassReeves:
'I don’t have hate god, you can’t hate things that don’t exist' indeed. Knock me down with a feather
If you love God, you'll know He exists.

I love Spider-Man, it doesn’t mean he exist

Nothingserious:
I only wish you had read those 2 quotes and digested each word and line.
You said so much much did nothing to grasp and comment on what I posted there.
That really is the problem.
Please check the claims of each line of the Lewontin quote and respond on the finality of proofs employed in sciences and the materialists a priori stance on the supernatural.

Stop asking people questions here. You claim a god, provide evidence.

No quote is evidence. Give us evidence, let’s test it. It’s that simple

BassReeves:
Psalm 119:103-106
'103How sweet are Your words to my taste,
Sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104From Your precepts I get understanding;
Therefore I hate every false way. Nun.
105Your word is a lamp to my feet
And a light to my path.
106I have sworn [an oath] and have confirmed it,
That I will keep Your righteous ordinances.'

Yes and that is because the taste of the pudding is in the eating.

You mentioned FSM, didnt you?
Anyway, your murderous hatred of God betrays your atheistic parochialism and thats what in your acute consciousness killed God

I don’t have hate god, you can’t hate things that don’t exist. Why would I hate Spider-Man and Superman or Aquaman?

Nothingserious:
It has always been a debate because people like you have failed repeatedly to prove there is no God. And people like you will always get obsessed with God and spend reasonable amount of their time debating God, studying God , researching God, building points and counter-points about God.

You may have 5,000 God claims, but we know you don’t expend any energy on spaghetti and the rest. Your energy is probably focused on Yahweh God. And you will still come out tomorrow to claim you don’t care about God but the rest of your waking moments are consumed in God thoughts.
Lol

You made he claim, you will prove it.

I can’t prove there’s no Spider-Man. I don’t have to because it doesn’t exist. Same as god

Nothingserious:
This is why supernaturality cannot hold water in courts and sole climes where reason is required. People always have a way of frabricating bogus claims in the name of the supernatural, it’s way institution built on reason and logic can’t take them seriously.ites the and reason pastors scam members, because he knows that his multitude

First of all, you didn’t understand the Lewontin quote I put there. That exactly is the same mistake you make: a priori beliefs and assumptions and worldview caked in your mind that washes off any counter opinion.
Go back and read it and understand your position.

Secondly you talk about logic and reason. I just laughed. You have made so much claims about logic and reason. Do you have any empirical evidence that logic and reason exist?

Yet you employ logic and reason and claim to have used it to dismiss God and the supernatural. Pls show me an empirical proof of logic and reason or maths and numbers or even your consciousness?

I am not here to answer quotes, I don’t owe you answers when you have it provided evidence for your claims.

Asking me questions is a subtle way of shying away from providing evidence and I won’t play into that gallery. Stop asking needless questions and hiding under them because you can’t provide evidence for your blind faith in a god

budaatum:
Just behind the teapot, though I doubt you'd see it since tea has not opened your eyes yet so you can see the pot.

You still have not provided evidence for your god.

No amount of distraction can stop me from demanding for evidence sir

budaatum:
So why do you who claims to like evidence and not to believe do what those who believe do?

And why are you expecting someone else to provide you with evidence you ought to be seeking for yourself so that you are not deceived?

You made claim of a god,
You find the evidence yourself.
No one will help you find your imaginary friends

budaatum:
Do you do this a lot, create a belief in your head and run with it?

Thats exactly what people who don’t provide evidence for their god do.

budaatum:
It would be dumb to ask for any, I think, though one might do better with Russells teapot for which there's a photo showing its location in space and time.

Where are you insulting me?

budaatum:
Do let me know if you change your mind so I can tell you you got stupid because that's what you'll become if you change your mind since no one is ever going to provide you with evidence for the existence or lack of of Gods.

Same way no one will provide evidence for existence and lack of existence for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

budaatum:
I don't do evidence for God, Workch. It's no different to asking for evidence for a spaghetti monster or Father Christmas or unicorns, and would just be yelling, dumb.

ofcourse, you don’t need evidence for things that don’t exist.

You just believe it by faith just like the napkin religion

BassReeves:
Hebrews 11:1-2
'1Now faith is the assurance (title deed, confirmation) of things hoped for (divinely guaranteed),
and the evidence of things not seen [the conviction of their reality—faith comprehends as fact what cannot be experienced by the physical senses]
2For by this [kind of] faith the men of old gained [divine] approval.'

Sorry but this is how the cookie crumbles. Without love, meaning love, first for, God, then except you are doubting Thomas, you get no empirical evidence, and you're expected to settle this 'God exists' thing with faith, recall, the currency I earlier proposed to you

And he’s quoting the fairytale

4,200 religious books and the Bible is the correct one. Delusion

Flying Spaghetti Monster exist with faith

budaatum:
When you read the fairy tale called Things Fall Apart, does Ikemefuna become your imaginary friend and foes?

If I say “Life is as tedious as a twice-told tale, Vexing the dull ear of a drowsy man”, does Shakespeare's King John become my friend and foes?

I'm ending this current stage of our discussion here, Workch. You and I shall meet again, hopefully after you've checked the evidence, for I will ask.

Stop dragging me all about the argument.

My point is clear, only evidence will change my mind about the existence of god.
Your flawed analogies can’t

budaatum:
I agree that believers don't like evidence. You yourself are evidence of the truth of that statement.

You believe quite a lot about buda after all, and despite the evidence.

All the rhetoric just to avoid being asked for evidence for god?
Dude , you make a lot of stuffs up.

budaatum:
Believer, yuk! Or don't you realise you are stating your belief instead of checking the evidence, which you claim to like, for yourself.

What's the point of tolerating a word you don't live by? Is it any different to demons believing in God and trembling?

God and demons?
You want to start telling me the usual fairytales about your imaginary friends and foes?

budaatum:
See. A blind belief, which can only be due to the fact that you refuse or are incapable of checking the evidence before you.

Should I get someone to inform you that buda is not a believer, workch? You do sound like you prefer being told instead of checking for yourself.

I surely prefer being told, seems like you believe more than believers going by your comments.

Only believers don’t like evidence

budaatum:
See. A blind belief, which can only be due to the fact that you refuse or are incapable of checking the evidence before you.

Should I get someone to inform you that buda is not a believer, workch? You do sound like you prefer being told instead of checking for yourself.

The fact that you don’t like to provide evidence for your claim and you try to redefine it doesn’t mean god exist.

You still have to prove it with evidence, a testable one. I will be looking for evidence if I were you else you god is just a more popular version of Flying Spaghetti Monster

BassReeves:
Show me proof where I said Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t exist.

Share with us a list of the unrealistic events and narratives the book is full off then

We are not called by God about extraordinary claims that can be backed by evidence, but with or without evidence, we are called love, to believe and do ordinary things with extraordinary faith

You see, your hatred, because you're devoid of love, incapacitates you from believing, without empirical evidence, that God exist. No one who loves God, will ever deny or doubt His existence

If you dont like heights, then you cant jump the leap of faith

We still need evidence for god. Not jus evidence, a testable one that can be repeatedly analyzed.

Sorry but that’s how all reliable truth has ever been established

budaatum:
It would sound faulty to you, but you have religiously been on this thread seeking evidence for a religious God. I'd go further in fact, after checking your profile, and say you are very religious, though I bet you likely think religion means you pray and go to church on Sunday.

its not my fault if you don’t like evidence.

You should work on yourself to tolerate that word.