₦airaland Forum

Ladyhippolyta88:
I don't think it is the west paying or telling them to want democracy.It is what they want.

You keep talking about western propaganda is China itself not also into propaganda by distorting facts and refusing to accept that it is commuting crimes against the Uyghurs?

A nation that has a state sanctioned media and social media such nation is the number one marketer of propaganda.
Nah there is nothing to admire there in terms of their way of life and how government controls them that is an overreach even some of them with the finances go to the west to gather kids.

I can admire how they have become great but I cannot admire their style of governance or think it is something Nigeria should emulate.

Since the people of Taiwan and Hong Kong don't want that they shouldn't be forced.Imprisoning protesters and using force on them which we see happening to democracy advocates in Hong Kong is no propaganda and has no justification in 2021.

You have to understand that the west forced democracy as a standard, you also have to realize that democracy Isn’t the absolute standard because the west installed it. Democracy has a lot of disadvantages as well.

Communism is working for China, at the end of the day they are making life better for their citizens. All indications points to the fact that they are even leaving the so called big democracies behind.

I wouldn’t mind a development-inclined communist government instead of a hypocritical democracy. We practice the latter in Nigeria.

I won’t also allow Hong Kong and Taiwan go if I were China, it’s same exact thing Nigeria is doing to southeast and we are practicing democracy.

Ladyhippolyta88:
I know they committed atrocities even the media you claim they control cannot distort history backed by facts.

Also China is colonising Africa as we speak that is why Europe is doubling their efforts to take on China's influence in Africa.Biden even mentioned it in G7 to tackle China.

At least the West commits atrocities accepts it mistakes and atone for it by aid.What China is doing to Taiwan and Hong Kong can even be likened to colonialism too.

Anyway maybe it is because I have been exposed to some level of freedom made possible by democracy that makes me not to admire China because I value and love my freedom.I can happily live in the west than live in China or North Korea where everyone is a programmed robot and dissidents are not allowed same cannot be said of the West.

I like my liberty something China can never give me anfd government thinks it is okay to control my life.Hell no,you wonder why young people in Hong Kong are fighting for democracy there because they prefer it to what they have there currently.

I think you should go and read the history of Taiwan and Honk Kong very well, it’s the west that are distorting the history and trying to weaken China by interfering in its affairs. Honk Kong and Taiwan has always been part of greater China.

It’s just like what we have in Nigeria, the government tried over the years to limit Igbos to only southeast by distorting history and causing a division between the Igbos in south south and southeast. The same thing is playing out in Taiwan and Honk Kong, you expect China to sit back and watch the west peddle a propaganda that causes division?

Ladyhippolyta88:
As you have pointed out China is developing and a world power.I love the fact that they are investing in the right areas and looking internally to develop themselves.

I also like the fact that they are not to into religion.

However I don't like that they are not a democracy as far as I am concerned democracy remains the best form of government for now.I hate what China is doing to the Uyghurs and Hong Kong democracy protesters.

I hate communism and the fact that China commits some certain atrocities and oppression it is not a nation I admire or can live in.

Your points are valid and I share your sentiments but disagree on your view of democracy.

I will prefer the western world remaining a world power to China even though they are getting there

You seem not to understand that the western world commits more atrocities and then play the victim because they know how to control the media.

China didn’t colonize any African country and sell Africans as slaves, the west did it. But today, the west is still enslaving Africa economically while China is the one giving us loan upandan. But then, they still want everyone to think China is the bad guy.

omonnakoda:
Patience and long term vision

Avoid religion

They fought religion to the fullest. They identified that it was going to create needless uprising and confusing. They invested big time in science, they didn’t allow religion because it was going to drag scientific advances.

I visited China and an average Chinese see other parts of the world as a little more scientifically illiterate than them. Topic like theory of evolution is not even a debate in China unlike other parts of the world.

Little wonder they dwarf other parts of the world every year in science and mathematics quizzes. The investment and meticulousness of the their communist government has brought them this far.

vedaxcool:
Interesting read. Democracy makes decision making more difficult thus preventing rapid progress and in some case preventing progress.

Very true. Democracy is bad for a country like Nigeria where people don’t even know what they want and abuse every privilege. It has not been working obviously.
Nigerians need a focused communist government that can tame everyone, set long term goals and achieve them. Democracy has its disadvantages and we are seeing a lot of it from this part of the world.

If you visit any Chinese city, you won’t believe your eyes, they are in the future. In terms of infrastructure, New York can’t even stand Shanghai, this wasn’t the case 30years ago. This was done by a communist government that tamed and controlled the excess of the people over time to achieve the results.

They identified that religion is also dangerous to their set goals hence fought it all through till date.

The Chinese government’s objective is simple “ we are becoming world power whether or not the western world likes it. We will do whatever it takes to achieve that”

We can learn that it’s possible for a serious communist government to develop a country against all odds.

China today in terms of infrastructure is second to none, even the United States in playing catch up. Communism is bad but not the development-inclined communist government like in China. Even United States is emulating china’s infrastructural strides.

Looking at transport and roads in particular, there’s no competition - China is way ahead. Perhaps if the USA gets these hyperloop things going, then the USA will leapfrog China…though that would likely happen the other way again soon after…that’s progress

In terms of computer networking, China is also ahead, imo. This is due to the central government having the power to enforce installation of fibre optics along with all new roads.

Actually, IMO, a lot of the advantages of China over the USA are due to the power of the central government, and also the stability that comes from not flip-flopping policies every few years due to the votes of the public who essentially don’t know any better and are motivated by self-interest.

These communist government consistently grew their economy and now they are a threat to the whole G7 countries. It doesn’t even look like they are stoping, they have gone ahead in installing hegemony over various African, Asian and European countries economically. They have stakes all over in terms of loans and assets. They achieved this even with all the western media outlet propaganda. More than 50% of whatever electronic device used in U.S is built in China. Funny

All these are unbelievable achievements for a communist country and put all the biggest democracies to shame. My opinion is there are a lot of things we can learn from China as how the government treated her citizens by creating better living environment.

They have a plan and they are executing it, serious government they have.

Rissimenky:
You are an ignorant dunce with no brain. Pipe borne water only became widely available in the last century, in a world that has been civilized for TENS OF THOUSANDS of years.

So SHUT UP. Not having pipe borne water does not mean you ''live like an animal''.

People have lived VERY WELL INDEED having a well or borehole, and it is actually safer than pipe borne water, whose contents you don't really know.

The real issue is SAFETY of the water, and using boreholes ensures you are getting safe fresh water.

India and many other countries you worship have far worse water issues than Nigeria.

''India is suffering from one of the world's worst national water crises. ... More than 50% of the population has no access to safe drinking water and about 200,000 people die every year for lack of access to safe water.''

https://www.financialexpress.com/lifestyle/science/indias-water-crisis-is-there-a-solution/2089860/

So go to India and call them animals, let's see how fast they whup your dumb behind.

How can you say that Indians and Nigerians don’t live like animals?

An average Nigerian don’t hVe access to standard lifestyle including you.

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Rissimenky:
You are an illiterate know-nothing PEA BRAIN.

For your information, you COMPOUND DUNCE, 80% of nations on Earth are developing nations, and they all experience power cuts and limited power access, especially the larger populations like India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Egypt etc. There is nothing abnormal about it, and it doesn't make the people of those nations feel inferior like you.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/noida/residents-in-noida-complain-power-cuts/articleshow/83392008.cms

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/work-interupted-unscheduled-power-cuts-irritate-public/articleshow/83072498.cms

https://www.middleeasteye.net/fr/news/egypts-power-outages-compound-559103879

So take your wretched self hatred and inferiority complex and stick it up your stinky butt.

[/s] you don’t have potable water dude, you store borehole water in tanks, that’s not a quality lifestyle.

An average Nigerian lives like an animal and he’s comfortable with it.

Rissimenky:
Oh shut up and get lost, you illiterate dunce.

Just because you swim in low self-esteem and inferiority complex does not mean the Truth is not the Truth.

Nigeria is by far the largest and most buoyant internet ecosystem in Africa. And will be the world's 3rd most populous nation after India and China by 2050.

Every digital company worth its salt is looking to invest big time in Nigeria.

What are you bragging about? Useless country that cannot provide constant electricity and potable water for its citizens.
Is this one a country? Lol

You probably don't even have power supply in your house currently

Rissimenky:
Oh shut up and get lost, you illiterate dunce.

Just because you swim in low self-esteem and inferiority complex does not mean the Truth is not the Truth.

lol, I am telling you the reality. We are like in the stone age. So backward and archaic.

Try to handle the truth

muykem:
Nigeria is more than consequential, no international company will joke with a country of over 200million population.

lol, it's funny how Nigerians think they can even be considered when the chips are down

bobestman:
Oga nature bow to the Sovereign Father. The bible is not the problem but those who hijacked and translated it. This is why a time will come that all lost truths will be revealed to all. Christians will also understand the truth when the time comes. They follow the interpretation given by the wrong people when they were told to listen to the people of the book. Unknown to them, the people of the book were hidden, while those who gave them the book exalts themselves as the owners and writers.

no evidence for any sovereign father. You only cooked up the stories that are not verifiable

bobestman:
I will not go deep on that. Even many Christians will not understand let alone you. You also think like athiests instead bringing yourself down and study. You are even asking to know who the Creator is. Can you know your village forces or gods that bow down to Him? But you believe they are gods. In African cosmology, there are many gods but all believe in a supreme God who created all things and them.

If you can't understand the principles of nature, you can't understand that of Living. If you can't understand both, you can't understand spiritual or heavenly things. The Creator put everything in nature so that whatever you seek to know, it can give you an answer.
Everything has it's kind.

funny, if you understand the basic principle of nature, you will understand that the Christian God is fake.

He’s always inconsistent with nature

needanswer:
You are just trolling. I believe you are mature enough.

That is because no one has been able to prove their God for more than 300,000years now and you are trying hard to do that.

needanswer:
You can be interested and follow but that is where my engagement ends with you.

Its pretty hard defending unprovable stuffs like unicorns,dragon and your god

needanswer:
You will not be included. But you can follow the discuss but I'll only respond to LordReed's questions on the subject and not yours.

lol

needanswer:
That discuss may not include you as I said. It will only include the other guy for now.

I am interested in the discussion because I like to see how you provide the method test your own god out of 4200

needanswer:
That's were you are wrong, God can be PERCEIVED indirectly says Rom 1:20

give a method.

Let’s test it if it will give repeatable results

needanswer:
You are just contradicting yourself, where do you stand, so I know how to respond.

Just provide a method to test your god, whether directly or indirectly

needanswer:
I may not respond to you about this, but LORDREED. If you show we can follow a logical discussion, I will mention you too.

I am waiting, it’s really hard proving stuffs that doesn’t exist

needanswer:
You can't detect it DIRECTLY. You can only PERCEIVE IT. know the difference.

whats this one saying na, arguing like kindagerten.

Your God cannot be detected nor directly and indirectly. Still a fallacy of faulty equivalence

needanswer:
Dark energy can't be tested, that's a fact for NOW!

sorry it can, even if it can’t, it’s still not evidence for your God

needanswer:
Nothing, I repeat NOTHING can DIRECTLY measure DARK ENERGY! you are the one using straw man's argument. Read up!

You can detect dark energy and give accurate figures, none for your god.

He exist only in your head

needanswer:
That's a good question. It will take me a little while to write it out, so bear with me.

Just give us a method that is repeatable and that will give same result every time like radio telescope for dark energy.

needanswer:
Due you know the implications when dark energy is finally understood? It might mean we would now have MULTI-UNIVERSES which will shoot the estimation of dark energy in the multi-universes to more than 99.9999999999%, but it will still be based on estimation, as nobody can travel to all the corners of the universe or if we have many universes, multi-verse!

No one is talking about multiverse, straw man

Radio telescopes have become the major tool in mapping the effects of Dark Energy across the Universe, what method do you have to test your God?

Faulty equivalence

needanswer:
No, don't bring a comparison but follow the simple logic I put forward. Science believes that what can either be SEEN, MEASURED or PERCEIVED INDIRECTLY is real and a fact.

Roman's 1: 20 says God's qualities and his Godship can be PERCEIVED indirectly by his creation. It follow the same logic as science.

But we have measured dark energy to be 70% of the universe with a methodology that is verifiable, no verifiable method can test God.


It’s faulty equivalence oga, you god cannot be tested, dark energy can be tested.

needanswer:
Dark energy has not be PROPERLY MEASURED, that is just at best a rough guess. That value can't be compared to other scientific constant, like the speed of light, the rate of acceleration due to gravity, amongst other constant, that have been arrived by instrumental testing repeatedly and methodically.

The value for Dark energy is at best a guess and not a constant. Know the difference.

so how did they arrive at 70%?

I will help you see your flaws little by little

needanswer:
Refer to LordReed. The fallacy equivalence has been trashed too.

It hasn’t been trashed, you are funny because you said 70% of the universe is dark matter and it can’t be measured, so how did they arrive at 70%?

Think na

needanswer:
Let me just help you out with the import of my post because many atheist struggled to understand it. It is as follows below:

To be concise, I am saying for a fact: Science accepts as facts what can be SEEN, MEASURED or PERCEIVED indirectly, and not just what can be SEEN or MEASURED as atheist believe.

Dark matter can be measured, that’s why we know it’s 70% of the constituent of the universe.

Why are you arguing like a kindergarten?

It’s faulty equivalence unless you want to tell us how much of universe in percentage is controled by God with measurable experiment and method which is applicable to dark energy.

needanswer:
You are still wrong, I have address this already, go to page 2 and 3 of this post and see where it was trashed.

I’m not wrong because you said I’m wrong.

That’s also a fallacy.

Saying God exist because we don’t understand dark energy yet is faulty equivalence and appeal to ignorance at the this same time.

Whether or not we understand black matteris not evidence for God. It’s hilarious.

It’s like saying because we didnt understand gravity before newton, it means god exist.

needanswer:
Pardon, I have not committed that fallacy. Go and learn more about that fallacy.

Becuase we don’t know what constitute 70% of the universe hence god exist. Lol

That’s Ad ignoratiam. Because we don’t know about dark mater yet doesn’t mean god exist
This is classical case of appealing to ignorance and false equivalence at the same time.

OnionBandit:
You don't mess with the giant of Africa and giant of Asia

Countries with ballz

lol, some of you think Nigeria is so consequential