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u satisfied now ...right?? wen ever u re arguin with another muslim u wouldn't even try to bring this up again as a point.....i hav many questions to ask you but am not ready to debate with u...

moreover yiu fail to realize that it was a normal custom for young people to marry at the onset of their puberty or some years later, since the prophet, peace be upon him, recommended those who had the means for it to marry. you obvious only fantasizes that older men married with younger girls, he obvious never realizes that young boys just married young girls back then, and only consummated marriage with them when they had reached puberty. In those times and biblical times it was the custom of the society, which nowadays many people fail to realize. Also puberty and adulthood in those societies back then were reached at an earlier age then today. Also it’s important to know that in islam girls have free will to choose a husband they want / like. They have the right to refuse a proposel from someone they don’t want to marry or just don’t like. So a marriage can only happen in islam if both parties agree with each other, and are happy with it. This can be found in the next hadith: Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 67 The Prophet said: “A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission “ Also the option that a girl can (not must) consummate marriage at the onset of her puberty, does not mean that girls have to marry at this age. It’s only an option. Secondly even if she has reached the onset of puberty or general age of puberty in islam, then she can only marry if she is able to. If she is not able / capable / or ready to marry or consummate marriage, then she cannot and should not marry. This rule can be found in the next hadith: Sahih Bukhari , Volume 7, Book 62, Number 3 The prophet said: “ O young people ! Whoever among you is able to marry, should marry, and whoever is not able to marry, is recommended to fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power. “
Thirdly she can only consummate her marriage at the onset of puberty, if she and her parents are sure that there would be no harm in it for her to marry and consummate her marriage, since the prophet said:
Related by Al-Daraqutni, Ibn Majah and Ahmad. The Prophet said: “There shall be no infliction of harm on oneself or others"

Proof that girls can only consummate marriage on the onset of puberty can be found in the sunnah of our prophet. The Prophet, peace be upon him, didn’t consummate his marriage with Aicha when she was six. He consummated his marriage with her three years later. The reason for this was that they were waiting for her to come of age, or in other words reached puberty

باب إنكاح الرجل ولد الصغار لقول تعالى { واللائي لم يحضن } فجعل عدتا ثلاثة أشر قبل البلوغ
something like: “Chapter on ( the permissibility of ) a man marrying off his underage daughter (which would be) in accordance with the saying of Allah "And for –“those who do not menstruate" so the `iddah was set to three months prior to buloogh."
[b]In the context of this verse prior to ‘buloogh’ refers only to ‘prior to menstruation’, since the verse speaks about those who have no courses yet. When a girl has her first menstrual period, she is general considered as having reached ‘buloogh’ / puberty. Therefor the writer here in his chapter uses the words ‘underage’ and ‘prior to buloogh’ as a reference to ‘prior to menstruation’. This can be clearly seen without doubt at the rest of the text and it’s context in connection to the quranic ayah. A lot of writers used the term ‘buloogh’ only as a reference to menstruation, since menstruation is the well known sign which shows that a girl has reached ‘buloogh’. Therefor most writers use the the term ‘prior to buloogh’ and ‘underage’ as a synonym for ‘prior to menstruation’. This can be confusing sometimes, since one could think that girls could consummate marriage before puberty, which is actually not allowed in islam. Like i mentioned before there are also other things which are a sign of having reached ‘majority’ in islam. These things are: wet dreams, breasts, public hair and the age of 15 years. Therefor a girl can only consummate marriage prior to menstruation (which is general considered as buloogh for girls) when she has already public hair, breasts or reached the age of 15 years or had a wet dream, which are also signs that a girl has reached puberty in islam. So keep in mind that the heading of this chapter only refers to girls who had not yet menstruated which can be clearly seen at the rest of the text and it’s connection to the quranic ayah[/b]

باب إنكاح الرجل ولد الصغار لقول تعالى { واللائي لم يحضن } فجعل عدتا ثلاثة أشر قبل البلوغ
something like: “Chapter on ( the permissibility of ) a man marrying off his underage daughter (which would be) in accordance with the saying of Allah "And for –“those who do not menstruate" so the `iddah was set to three months prior to buloogh."
[b]In the context of this verse prior to ‘buloogh’ refers only to ‘prior to menstruation’, since the verse speaks about those who have no courses yet. When a girl has her first menstrual period, she is general considered as having reached ‘buloogh’ / puberty. Therefor the writer here in his chapter uses the words ‘underage’ and ‘prior to buloogh’ as a reference to ‘prior to menstruation’. This can be clearly seen without doubt at the rest of the text and it’s context in connection to the quranic ayah. A lot of writers used the term ‘buloogh’ only as a reference to menstruation, since menstruation is the well known sign which shows that a girl has reached ‘buloogh’. Therefor most writers use the the term ‘prior to buloogh’ and ‘underage’ as a synonym for ‘prior to menstruation’. This can be confusing sometimes, since one could think that girls could consummate marriage before puberty, which is actually not allowed in islam. Like i mentioned before there are also other things which are a sign of having reached ‘majority’ in islam. These things are: wet dreams, breasts, public hair and the age of 15 years. Therefor a girl can only consummate marriage prior to menstruation (which is general considered as buloogh for girls) when she has already public hair, breasts or reached the age of 15 years or had a wet dream, which are also signs that a girl has reached puberty in islam. So keep in mind that the heading of this chapter only refers to girls who had not yet menstruated which can be clearly seen at the rest of the text and it’s connection to the quranic ayah[/b]

De Beauvoir: I couldn't download the pdf, I got a message that the file could harm my computer so I left it alone.
vvvvvvvv
https://i43.tinypic.com/2nio5jc.jpg

Besides even if I could download it, do you think I have the time to go through pages of apologist bullcrap?
I've got better things to do with my time, I can't sit down to start reading through pathetic made up lies that were concocted by your modern scholars with the intention of making Islam look like it does not condone marriage to immature children.

Tell me the summary of what is in the pdf file so I can refute it the way I've refuted all your other claims on this thread

you wrote: The collector of the so-called sound narrations, Imam al-Bukahri narrated: Narrated Sahl bin Sad: While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself for marriage to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, " Marry her to me O Allah’s Apostle " The Prophet asked him, "Have you got anything ? " He said, " I have got nothing." The Prophet said, " Not even an iron ring ? " He said, " Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half. " The Prophet; said, " No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart) ? " He said, " Yes." The Prophet said, " Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)."

'And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl BEFORE PUBERTYis three months (in the above Verse). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 63; emphasis ours)

Response: The christian missionary relies your
opinion on an english translation of the heading of a chapter. The Sahl bin Sa'd ahadith ends at: "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an". What is mentioned next , the fat quoted text by sham shamoun, is not a hadeeth but part of the title of the next chapter in sahih al-bukhari

De Beauvoir: I couldn't download the pdf, I got a message that the file could harm my computer so I left it alone.
vvvvvvvv
https://i43.tinypic.com/2nio5jc.jpg

Besides even if I could download it, do you think I have the time to go through pages of apologist bullcrap?
I've got better things to do with my time, I can't sit down to start reading through pathetic made up lies that were concocted by your modern scholars with the intention of making Islam look like it does not condone marriage to immature children.

Tell me the summary of what is in the pdf file so I can refute it the way I've refuted all your other claims on this thread

you wrote: The collector of the so-called sound narrations, Imam al-Bukahri narrated: Narrated Sahl bin Sad: While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself for marriage to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, " Marry her to me O Allah’s Apostle " The Prophet asked him, "Have you got anything ? " He said, " I have got nothing." The Prophet said, " Not even an iron ring ? " He said, " Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half. " The Prophet; said, " No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart) ? " He said, " Yes." The Prophet said, " Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)."

'And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl BEFORE PUBERTYis three months (in the above Verse). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 63; emphasis ours)

Response: The christian missionary relies your
opinion on an english translation of the heading of a chapter. The Sahl bin Sa'd ahadith ends at: "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an". What is mentioned next , the fat quoted text by sham shamoun, is not a hadeeth but part of the title of the next chapter in sahih al-bukhari

De Beauvoir: Abeg I no fit laugh for this funny explanation.

I gave you another verse in Suratul Baqarah that speaks about the Iddah of matured women who are menstruating (Baqarah verse 234) and I showed you a narration that states how the revelation of verse 4 in suratul Talaq came about. Let me post it again;
Ubay bin Ka`b said, "O Allah's Messenger! Some women were not mentioned in the Qur'an, the young, the old and the pregnant.'' Allah the Exalted and Most Honored sent down this Ayah,
"(Those in menopause among your women, for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; and for those who have no courses. And for those who are pregnant, their `Iddah is until they lay down their burden.) Ibn Abi Hatim recorded a simpler narration than this one from Ubay bin Ka`b who said, "O Allah's Messenger! When the Ayah in Surat Al-Baqarah was revealed prescribing the `Iddah of divorce, some people in Al-Madinah said, `There are still some women whose `Iddah has not been mentioned in the Qur'an. There are the young, the old whose menstruation is discontinued, and the pregnant.' Later on, this Ayah was revealed,
"(Those in menopause among your women, for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; and for those who have no courses.)''
Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs

^^^^^^The first iddah verse that was revealed in the quran was in Suratul Baqarah verse 234 and that verse gave instructions for only the iddah of matured women who had started having courses. After the verse was revealed, Ubay ibn Ka'b complained to the prophet that there was no iddah for old menopausal women, immature girls and pregnant women and thereafter the prophet recited the verse containing the iddah of these three women to him.

The verse in suratul talaq is NOT talking about matured women who are currently not menstruating because the iddah of those women have already been specified in suratul baqarah verse 234.


Are you kidding me? Women have 10 days of menstruation each month? Are you serious?
The average number of days for menstruation in females is 5 days, not ten days
Some women menstruate for up to 7 days but those ones are few. The majority last just for 5 days so whatever explanation you gave there concerning 10 days menstruation is null and void.
@bold, at least you admitted that you don't know if menses should start before marriage. Kudos on the honesty.



So in other words your Sahih hadith are not all accurate? If I understand you clearly, you are telling me that your Sahih hadith contain errors not so?
I hope you know that Sahih hadith are the highest rated hadith in Islam, they are regarded as the most accurate and soundest hadith of all the other types of hadith. If your best hadith can contain errors and contradictions then why are they called 'sound hadith'? And if the best hadith are flawed and contain mistakes that means no hadith at all can be considered trustworthy which basically renders all of them useless.

As for the tafsir I showed you, the very best and trustworthy interpreters of the quran are the ones I quoted, I didn't quote tafsir authors that are known to tell lies or fabricate meanings of verses. Go through the list of tafsir authors I quoted and verify what I said.

What you are doing now is nothing but escape tactics.
You have nothing else to stand on, no proof to back up your claims, no evidence that the tafsir or hadith I posted were false, you just claim that they were fabricated and innacurate because you don't like the fact that they expose the ugly side of your religion.
Show me evidence that Ibn kathir was lying in his tafsir and show me evidence that the Sahih hadith was fabricated, don't just speculate. 8 narrators in the chain of a Sahih hadith does not make the Sahih hadith invalid.

The pdf I uploaded above in page nine explains everything... As I said am done here.

De Beauvoir: The problem with your explanation is that you are trying to change the grammatical meaning of the phrase in the quran to mean "those who are not menstruating".
The verse says "those who do not have courses" ie those who do not menstruate. If it was talking about adult women who are currently not on their courses, the grammatical phrasing would be "those who are not menstruating".

Let me give you more reason why I told you the verse is talking about children.
That verse came about because a man had gone to Muhammed to complain that there was no prescribed Iddah for young girls had not started to menstruate. Iddah had originally been prescrribed in Suratul Baqarah verse 234 before the verse in suratul Talaq was revealed, but the Iddah of Suratul Baqarah was only talking about mature women who were not pregnant.
Al Baqarah 2:234: If any of you die and leave widows behind, they shall wait concerning themselves four months and ten days: When they have fulfilled their term, there is no blame on you if they dispose of themselves in a just and reasonable manner. And Allah is well acquainted with what ye do. (Yusuf Ali)

After the man complained to the prophet, the verse prescribing Iddah for immature girls was then revealed;

Ubay bin Ka`b said, "O Allah's Messenger! Some women were not mentioned in the Qur'an, the young, the old and the pregnant.'' Allah the Exalted and Most Honored sent down this Ayah,

"(Those in menopause among your women, for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; and for those who have no courses. And for those who are pregnant, their `Iddah is until they lay down their burden.) Ibn Abi Hatim recorded a simpler narration than this one from Ubay bin Ka`b who said, "O Allah's Messenger! When the Ayah in Surat Al-Baqarah was revealed prescribing the `Iddah of divorce, some people in Al-Madinah said, `There are still some women whose `Iddah has not been mentioned in the Qur'an. There are the young, the old whose menstruation is discontinued, and the pregnant.' Later on, this Ayah was revealed,
"(Those in menopause among your women, for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; and for those who have no courses.)''
Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs

The Iddah for menstruating women and non menstruating mature women had already been given in Suratul Baqarah verse 234, so the Iddah that was mentioned in Suratul Talaq was the one for the pregnant, menopausal and immature.



Ibn Kathir is not only respected, he is the most respected Tafsir translator of the Quran. Even if you want to disregard Ibn Kathir's translation then what about the other Sahih Hadith I showed you that confirmed what I said?
Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 63: Narrated Sahl bin Sad: While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sad, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." 'And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (Qur'an 65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl before puberty is three months

Should we also disregard this hadith because you don't like the message the Hadith carries?

Read this....

De Beauvoir: The problem with your explanation is that you are trying to change the grammatical meaning of the phrase in the quran to mean "those who are not menstruating".
The verse says "those who do not have courses" ie those who do not menstruate. If it was talking about adult women who are currently not on their courses, the grammatical phrasing would be "those who are not menstruating".

Let me give you more reason why I told you the verse is talking about children.
That verse came about because a man had gone to Muhammed to complain that there was no prescribed Iddah for young girls had not started to menstruate. Iddah had originally been prescrribed in Suratul Baqarah verse 234 before the verse in suratul Talaq was revealed, but the Iddah of Suratul Baqarah was only talking about mature women who were not pregnant.
Al Baqarah 2:234: If any of you die and leave widows behind, they shall wait concerning themselves four months and ten days: When they have fulfilled their term, there is no blame on you if they dispose of themselves in a just and reasonable manner. And Allah is well acquainted with what ye do. (Yusuf Ali)

After the man complained to the prophet, the verse prescribing Iddah for immature girls was then revealed;

Ubay bin Ka`b said, "O Allah's Messenger! Some women were not mentioned in the Qur'an, the young, the old and the pregnant.'' Allah the Exalted and Most Honored sent down this Ayah,

"(Those in menopause among your women, for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; and for those who have no courses. And for those who are pregnant, their `Iddah is until they lay down their burden.) Ibn Abi Hatim recorded a simpler narration than this one from Ubay bin Ka`b who said, "O Allah's Messenger! When the Ayah in Surat Al-Baqarah was revealed prescribing the `Iddah of divorce, some people in Al-Madinah said, `There are still some women whose `Iddah has not been mentioned in the Qur'an. There are the young, the old whose menstruation is discontinued, and the pregnant.' Later on, this Ayah was revealed,
"(Those in menopause among your women, for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; and for those who have no courses.)''
Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs

The Iddah for menstruating women and non menstruating mature women had already been given in Suratul Baqarah verse 234, so the Iddah that was mentioned in Suratul Talaq was the one for the pregnant, menopausal and immature.



Ibn Kathir is not only respected, he is the most respected Tafsir translator of the Quran. Even if you want to disregard Ibn Kathir's translation then what about the other Sahih Hadith I showed you that confirmed what I said?
Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 63: Narrated Sahl bin Sad: While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sad, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." 'And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (Qur'an 65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl before puberty is three months

Should we also disregard this hadith because you don't like the message the Hadith carries?

Am not trying to change any meaning... As I said earlier.

[065:001] O Prophet! When ye do divorce
women, divorce them at their prescribed
periods, and count (accurately), their
prescribed periods: And fear God your Lord:
and turn them not out of their houses, nor
shall they (themselves) leave, except in case
they are guilty of some open lewdness, those
are limits set by God: and any who
transgresses the limits of God, does verily
wrong his (own) soul: thou knowest not if
perchance God will bring about thereafter
some new situation.
Arabic (from right to left):
65:1 ﻕﻼﻄﻟﺍ ﺓﺭﻮﺳ ﻢﺴﺑ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻦﻤﺣﺮﻟﺍ ﻢﻴﺣﺮﻟﺍ ــــٛ
ﻲﺒﻨﻟﺍ ﺎﻬﻳﺍﺎﻳ ﻢﺘﻘﻠﻃ ﺍﺫﺍ ﺀﺎﺴﻨﻟﺍ ﻦﻫﻮﻘﻠﻄﻓ ﻦﻬﺗﺪﻌﻟ
ﺓﺪﻌﻟﺍ ﺍﻮﺼﺣﺍﻭ ﺍﻮﻘﺗﺍﻭ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻦﻫﻮﺟﺮﺨﺗﻻ ﻢﻜﺑﺭ ﻦﻣ
ﻦﻬﺗﻮﻴﺑ ﻻﺍ ﻦﺟﺮﺨﻳﻻﻭ ﻥﺍ ﻦﻴﺗﺎﻳ ﺔﺸﺣﺎﻔﺑ ﺔﻨﻴﺒﻣ ﻚﻠﺗﻭ
ﺩﻭﺪﺣ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻦﻣﻭ ﺪﻌﺘﻳ ﺩﻭﺪﺣ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﺪﻘﻓ ﻢﻠﻇ ﻪﺴﻔﻧ
ﻱﺭﺪﺗﻻ ﻞﻌﻟ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﺙﺪﺤﻳ ﺪﻌﺑ ﻚﻟﺫ ﺍﺮﻣﺍ
Noble Verse(s) 65:4
Yusuf Ali:
[065:004] Such of your women as have
passed the age of monthly courses, for them
the prescribed period, if ye have any
doubts, is three months, and for those who
have no courses (it is the same): for those
who carry (life within their wombs), their
period is until they deliver their burdens:
and for those who fear God, He will make
their path easy.
Arabic (from right to left):
65:4 ﻲﺋﻼﻟﺍﻭ ﻦﺴﺌﻳ ﻦﻣ ﺾﻴﺤﻤﻟﺍ ﻦﻣ ﻢﻜﺋﺎﺴﻧ ﻥﺍ
ﻢﺘﺒﺗﺭﺍ ﻦﻬﺗﺪﻌﻓ ﺔﺛﻼﺛ ﺮﻬﺷﺍ ﻢﻟ ﻲﺋﻼﻟﺍﻭ ﻦﻀﺤﻳ ﺕﻻﻭﺍﻭ
ﻦﻬﻠﺟﺍ ﻝﺎﻤﺣﻻﺍ ﻥﺍ ﻦﻌﻀﻳ ﻦﻬﻠﻤﺣ ﻦﻣﻭ ﻖﺘﻳ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻞﻌﺠﻳ
ﻪﻟ ﻦﻣ ﻩﺮﻣﺍ ﺍﺮﺴﻳ
The Noble Verses are clearly speaking about
divorce of women , and there are three
categories of those women :
1- Women who are very old.
2- Women who have not had their
monthly period at the time of the divorce.
3- Women who are pregnant at the time of
the divorce.
For point #2, it doesn't necessarily have to
mean that the woman was a young girl. To
me, it is clearly talking about the wife not
having her period yet when the divorce
happened. Women on average have 10 days
of menstruation each month. Point #2 is
speaking about the 20 other days.
As to my opinion, the scholars'
interpretations are sometimes partial. They
do not cover the latter Laws that came to
abrogate the current Laws that they're
commenting on. This misleads the reader.
As to the menstruation and the minimum
age for marriage, I am not sure if the girl
having her first period is the line that
determines when she can get married or
not. The ample Holy Verses that I quoted in
this article are clear about:

As to the tafaseer (interpretations) that you
provided, they remain limited to their
authors. They are not part of the Noble
Quran. They are only interpretations and
personal opinions of the Mufassireen
(interpreters), and the Hadiths therein are
either:
1- Fabrications and lies that were put on
the mouths of the companions and the
Prophet as many false hadiths were
exposed. Notice the long chain of narrators
that your source presented:
Al Wahidi said: "Abu Ishaq al-Muqri’
informed us> Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn
Hamdun> Makki ibn ‘Abdan> Abu’l-Azhar>
Asbat ibn Muhammad> Mutarrif> Abu
‘Uthman ‘Amr ibn Salim
That's 8 people!
2- Abrogated Hadiths, because the Noble
Verses that I presented came much much
later.

De Beauvoir: There were no misinterpretations in what I wrote,
The Surah where the verse was gotten from id Suratul Talaq which deals with the processes involved in carrying out a divorce and one of such processes is the Iddah or waiting period for a woman who has been divorced.
The Iddah that was outlined in Suratul Talaq explains how three types of divorced women should perform their Iddah.

Surah At-Talaq (65:4): And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

Look at the bold of that verse, it says 'for those who have no courses, that means it is referring to the people who do not have menstrual courses implying young immature girls, why are you changing the interpretation of the verse to mean something else? Even the most renowned Tafsir Author in Islam; Ibn Kathir interpreted that verse and said the Iddah period in that verse is talking about immature girls that have not attained puberty.
Other renowned tafsir authors interpreted the verse to mean that the Iddah is talking about children that have not began to menstruate;

Tafsir Ibn Kathir;
Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The same for the young, [size=14pt]who have not reached the years of menstruation[/size]. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And [as for] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months — both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234].

Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months.

Tafsir al-Kabir by Ar-Razi
{and those who have not menstruated yet} A man stood and asked: ‘O messenger of Allah, what is the period (Iddah) of the young girl who has not yet menstruated?’ Then Allah revealed {and those who have not menstruated yet}, meaning that her Iddah is like the old-aged woman who reached her menopause.

Tafsir Al-Qurtubi
{and those who have not menstruated yet} Meaning the young girl.(*) (Arabic Source; translation by Mutee’a Al-Fadi)
[Note: * Here “young” (as-sagheerah) denotes a girl who did not reach the age of puberty yet.]

Tafsir al-Qur'an by Al-Fayrooz Abadi
{and those who have not menstruated yet} Those who did not menstruate due to their young age. (Arabic Source; translation by M. Al-Fadi)


This only applies to women who have begun to menstruate. Read your Quran and Tafsir, there are also directions given in the Quran and Tafsir for girls that have not started to menstruate.
I can understand that your Modern scholars would be too embarrased to admit that Allah gave Muslim men directions fro divorcing little girls so they omit the iddah for immature girls when they are talking about types of Iddah. I can perfectly understand why they would omit it; it is a shameful thing to admit that you worship a god that sanctions marriage to little children.
However, no matter how many times they omit the iddah for immature girls from their explanations, the fact remains that Allah has already outlined it in the quran, it is already written there for everyone to see, your renowned tafsir scholars who lives closer to the time of the Prophet agree with me, there is even a sound/sahih hadith that also agrees with me.

This is a Sahih Bukhari Hadith that butresses my point;
Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 63: Narrated Sahl bin Sad: While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sad, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." 'And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (Qur'an 65.4) And the 'Iddat [waiting period before remarriage] for the girl before puberty is three months

Keep lying to yourself all you want, The Iddah laws of immature girls is clearly written down in your Quran for the child lovers to educate themselves.

65:4 Such of your women as have passed the
age of monthly courses, for them the
prescribed period, if he have any doubts is
three months, and for those who have no
courses (it is the same) : for those who carry
(life within their wombs), their period is until
they deliver their burdens: and for those who
fear Allah, He will make their path easy.


it doesn't necessarily have to
mean that the woman was a young girl. It is
clearly talking about the wife not having her
period yet when the divorce happened.
Women on average have 10 days of
menstruation each month.

those
ﻢﻟ
Did not
ﻦﻀﺤﻳ
have their periods
ﻦﻬﺗﺪﻌﻓ
so their waiting time
ﺔﺛﻼﺛ
Three
ﺮﻬﺷﺃ
Months
So it is referring to those who do not have
their period, it does not mention kids or
young girls. As i said it is referring to those
who have not had their period yet, or those
after puberty who still have not had a
menstruation cycle even after reaching age of
puberty. To say it is referring to pre-
pubescent girls is incorrect, whether it is you
saying it or any writer of tafsir. It is simply
inserting something into the text which is not
there, making that which is plain and clear
more confusing


As respected as they may be, anyone can make
mistakes.

The meaning of Iddah in Islam
‘Iddah is a period in which a woman waits
after the death of her husband or divorce, and
she is not allowed to marry during this period.
The Muslim jurists have unanimously agreed on
it as being waajib (obligatory) due to the
explicitness of the Qur’anic injuction whereby
Allah says: “The divorced women shall wait
concerning themselves for three monthly
periods.”

There are three types of ‘Iddah:

The first type of ‘Iddah is that of birth. That
is, a woman must wait until she delivers her
child before she can remarry. A common
erroneous idea among people is that a
pregnant woman cannot be divorced. This is
not the case at all. Rather there is a consensus
on this point among the scholars, and that this
is a Sunnah divorce and heresy (bid’ah). There
is no dispute regarding its validity.
The second type of ‘Iddah is the ‘Iddah of
menses. This means a woman is not allowed to
marry until she has three menstruations. As
soon as the third period ends, ‘Iddah ends.
This is the view of many of the elite
companions such as ‘Umar, ‘Ali and ibn
Masu’d, and it was narrated by ibn al-Qayyim.
This is also the view by the majority of
contemporary scholars such as ibn Baaz and
‘Uthaymeen.
The third type of waiting period is the ‘Iddah
of months. This applies to women who have
passed the age of menstruation. The ‘Iddah in
this case is three months. As for a woman who
is divorced by her husband before he has
consummated his marriage with her, then
there is no waiting period that applies to her
based on verse number 49 from Surat Al-
Ahzaab (33).
The woman whose husband has divorced her
once or twice is instructed to spend her ‘Iddah
duration within her husband’s house.
Any woman who leaves her home without the
permission of her husband after he has uttered
either the first or second divorce is in violation
of the injunctions of Allah and His Messenger.
A woman whose divorce is revocable (i.e. first
divorce or second divorce) may still uncover in
front of her husband and adorn herself by
applying make-up and perfume. She may speak
to him and he may speak to her; she may sit
with him and do anything with him apart from
intercourse. The only instance in which he may
have sexual relations with her is if he takes
her back. If the husband kisses and embraces
his wife with the intention of taking her back,
then that taking back is valid. To be on the
safe side however, he should not handle with
his wife until after he has clearly stated that
he is taking her back.
In the case were a husband is not sure as to
whether he uttered the word of divorce at all,
or as to the number of divorces he has
uttered, then he should act on the basis of
what is certain. So if he is not sure whether he
has divorced her or not, the basic principle is
that divorce has not taken place, because in
this instance marriage is something which is
certain, and divorce is something concerning
which there is uncertainty. Based on the
juristic principle that certainty cannot be
overridden by doubt, if the husband is
uncertain as to whether he has divorced his
wife once or twice, he should assume that he
has divorced her once, because this is what is
certain.

CLEARED..... AS I SAID AM DONE TALKING TO U

De Beauvoir: Which someone were you talking to?
You quoted my post and wrote a very long epistle about how marrying off small girls is ok in Islam as long as they've had their first period.
You quoted me, not someone else so I replied your post, I was not intervening in anything. Please try to keep track of what you are doing.

I have already posted the Quranic verse, the Tafsir of that verse and even a related Hadith of the same verse on this thread and you have quoted and replied the post where I posted the verse so why are you asking me to quote the verse again?
Do you have attention deficit disorder or something?

This is the link to the post where I quoted the verse:
www.nairaland.com/1491813/3-things-love-islam/8#19094348

I was not talkin to u initially.... I qouted
jonniegill: Cos you can marry a 12yr old
and divorce her at 17 after VVF and
replace with another 12yr old. (2) Cos its
a religion of peace if U̶̲̥̅̊ r in doubt ask
those who live in.(1) Irag. (2) Afghanistan.
(3) Pakistan (4) Egypt (5) palestine (6)Syria
(7) Libya ( Borno (9) Yobe (10) Kano

And replyed him
Islam allows you to marry any girl which as
attained the age of puberty.... So we don't
call that underage.....
Islam doesn't allow indiscriminate divorce....
B4 a man divorces a woman he must follow
some certain rules and stages which are up
to 5 stages.... nd by d way I stay at kano..

Then qouted the above.... He was to qoute what i said nt you.... Wen u qouted what i said then i replied...

YOU SHOULD KEEP TRACK OF WAT U DOIN... its isin't you forum so get the hell out... Its also not a debating forum......

And the verses you qouted.... Does not explain underage divorce.... It says IDDAH... Iddiah is the waiting period of a woman after shes divorced NOT UNDERAGE PLEASE.... SPARE ME UR MISINTERPRETATIONS....... AM done talking to u here...

bravo...u All did GREAT... What a wonderful performance..

De Beauvoir: Sick......
Immature 11/14 year olds are fit for marriage?
When their minds and bodies are still underdeveloped?

Anyway, I wasn't talking about children that have attained ppuberty, stop changing the subject.

WHAT ABOUT THE VERSE OF THE QURAN I SHOWED YOU THAT GIVES DIRECTIONS ON HOW TO DIVORCE CHILDREN THAT HAVE NOT REACHED PUBERTY?

What you don't understand is the Islam allows marriage when the woman reaches the age of puberty... Quote the verse you talking abt.. I wasn't changing the subject. I was talking to someone when you intervened...

De Beauvoir: Sick......
Immature 11/14 year olds are fit for marriage?
When their minds and bodies are still underdeveloped?

Anyway, I wasn't talking about children that have attained ppuberty, stop changing the subject.

WHAT ABOUT THE VERSE OF THE QURAN I SHOWED YOU THAT GIVES DIRECTIONS ON HOW TO DIVORCE CHILDREN THAT HAVE NOT REACHED PUBERTY?

What you don't understand is the Islam allows marriage when the woman reaches the age of puberty... Quote the verse you talking abt

De Beauvoir: ^^^
What point are you trying to make exactly? I showed you verses that prove that marrying girls who have not attained puberty is an Islamic thing and you reply with a completely unrelated epistle on how there is nothing wrong with marrying off 9year olds that have attained puberty.
So xclusive43 what is the summary of what you typed? Are you saying there is nothing Islamically wrong with marrying prepubescent kids? Because it is in your quran and hadith.

Am trying to clarify all the misinterpretations u did...... So far a girl has reached the age of puberty... She's fit for marriage.... Islamically...

laugh won kill me ooooo


See bomb like knockout.
See Alien like toy....
This is no trailer

Because it is nigeria of course

Northern Elders are not prepared to
back down on the North’s demand for the
presidency in 2015,spokesman for the group,
Professor Ango Abdullahi has said.

“There is no going back on the presidency
returning to the North in 2015, and that has
remained our position,” he told The Nation on
the outcome of the last weekend meeting of
the Northern Elders Forum.
Professor Abdullahi accused the President of
playing politics with the proposed national
conference.

“As far as we are concerned, all this talk about
national conference is political and geared
towards 2015. It is also becoming clear that
the only card on the table of Mr. President is
ethnicity or religion. We are waiting to see how
this will work in his favour,” he said.
But he explained that the North is not in any
way against the conference.


His words: “The Northern Elders’ Forum met
last weekend and we generally agreed with the
direction of the North on the National
Conference. And we said why not? The point
we tried to make is what kind of conference?
“This is because we have had all sorts of
conferences in the past from 1914 to date. All
the reports of these conferences are there in
the Government House. The Northern Elders’
Forum wondered what kind of conversation,
dialogue, or conference that would be different
from the ones we have had before.


“We agreed that the only thing that will make
the proposed conference significantly different
is when it is sovereign. What needs to be done
is to suspend the current 1999 Constitution by
the National Assembly to pave the way for a
peoples’ conference. The National Assembly
should vacate itself to enable the sovereign
conference to take place.


“I am particularly surprised that those who've
have always wanted a sovereign conference are
now backing out and for whatever reason, I
cannot say. While the Northern Elders’ Forum
may be at home with the proposed conference,
as we have always maintained that we are
ready for any kind of conference, I still
maintain that we either have a sovereign
conference or nothing else. Without that, we
had better manage the system as it is.
Otherwise, the proposed conference will be a
mere talk shop and a jamboree.”

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/2015power-shift-north-negotiable-northern-leaders/

Who cares anyway.....

De Beauvoir: You are not ashamed of yorself, you actually came to justify the marriage of a 53 year old man to a 9 year old girl just because your prophet did it.
And please, spare me the lie that Aisha had attained puberty when the marriage was consummated. That is just a fabrication of your modern day scholars that are trying to protect Islam from having a bad reputation.
It wasn't possible for a 9 year old that lived in Mecca more than one millenium ago to attain puberty at 9years of age. Even if she had attained puberty (which she hadn't), can you tell me how a 9 year old child that is very mentally immature is supposed to handle the complications of marital life? Is it possible for a 9 year old to have the intelligence and experience that is necessary for her to be good wife and mother?
Health complications that result from early marriage in the Middle East and North Africa include the risk of operative delivery, low weight and malnutrition resulting from frequent pregnancies and lactation in the period of life when the young mothers are themselves still growing.
Early pregnancy can have harmful consequences for both young mothers and their babies. According to UNICEF, no girl should become pregnant before the age of 18 because she is not yet physically ready to bear children. Babies of mothers younger than 18 tend to be born premature and have low body weight; such babies are more likely to die in the first year of life. The risk to the young mother’s own health is also greater.
Also the marriage contract between Muhammed and Aisha was arranged when she was 6; when she was still a baby that could not even give her opinion on the matter.

This is the verse of the Qur'an and accompanying hadith that speak of men divorcing underage children;
Surah At-Talaq (65:4): And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

Tafsir/explanation of that verse that supports my point;
Tafsir Ibn Kathir;
Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause.

Hadith that talks about the verse and confirms that it is referring to immature children;
Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 63: Narrated Sahl bin Sad: While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sad, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." 'And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (Qur'an 65.4) And the 'Iddat [waiting period before remarriage] for the girl before puberty is three months (in the above Verse). [The last lines are what the man knows of the Quran.]

1-It was a divine inspiration: Before
describing the rationale behind this married
relation, let it be known that the Holy
Prophet (peace be upon him) married
Sayyida Aisha not of his own desire rather it
was a Divine inspiration. Read the following
Hadith; Narrated 'Aisha: That the Prophet
said to her, "You have been shown to me
twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a
piece of silk and some-one said (to me).
'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the
picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If
this is from Allah, it will be
done." {Bukhari :: Volume 5 :: Book 58 ::
Hadith 235} 2-It was not out of his physical
desires: The Holy Prophet (Peace be upon
him) did not marry Sayyidah Aisha out of his
physical desires. One need to note that for
first 54 years of his life he had only one
wife. His only wife till 50th year of his life
was Sayyida Khadija. He spent his entire
youth with her and she was a two time
widowed woman, 15 years elder to him. For
next four years his only wife was Sayyidah
Sa’uda. 3-Age of Marriage in Old Ages: One
must first understand that 1400 years ago
was very different than now, times have
changed and so have humans. 1400 years
ago it was something very common to marry
young girls, in fact they were not considered
young girls, and rather they were considered
young women back then. It is a historic fact
that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were
being married in Europe, Asia, and Africa, in
fact even in the United States girls at the
age of 10 were also being married just more
than a century ago. Yet with these facts no
historian claims that all these people were
sick perverts, historians would call anyone
who made such a claim to be arrogant and
very stupid who has no grasp or
understanding of history. Even in Indo-Pak
Sub-Continent girls used to be married at
12-13 even 50-60 years ago. And those ‘girls’
infact raised much better families. There
were less family problems then. A simple
analyses of the divorce rate then and know
would certainly make it clear that maturity
level earlier used to be different i.e. people
used to come of age rather quickly. 4-Child
Brides in Byzantine Empire: http://
www.roman-emperors.org/aggiefran.htm
Visit this link to see how common were the
child brides in the Byzantine Empire.This
clearly states;”Child brides, whether
Byzantines or foreign princesses, were the
norm rather than the exception, especially
from the late twelfth century”. 5-The
Pagans of the Prophet's time: The fact that
it was a completely acceptable thing can
also be seen from the response of the
pagans at that time. No Muslim or even
pagan objected to the marriage because it
was widely practiced. And even until today
in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-
Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do
get married. Anyway, the reason no one
objected was to the Prophet's marriage
was:1-People used to have very short life-
spans in Arabia. They used to live between
40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only
normal and natural for girls to be married
off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.2-Marriage for
young girls was widely practiced among
Arabs back then, and even today in many
non-Muslim and Muslim countries 6-
Engagement with Jubair bin Mutim: It ought
also be noted that Sayyidah Aisha ( RA) was
engaged to Jubayr son of Mut'im before
Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him.
This indicates the age of marriage and
engagement in Prophet's time. However, the
engagement was later nullified by Jubayr’s
parents due to Abu Bakr (RA) embracing
Islam.Doesn’t this indicate there was
nothing bad in marrying a 9 year girl at that
time?She must have been even younger
when she was engaged to Jubair 7-Sayyidah
Aisha
sha was fit for marriage: Furthermore
a
s to the Holy Prophet’s marriage with
Sayyidah Aisha, something people will notice
is that the completion of the marriage was
done when Sayyidah Aisha was 9 years old,
not when she was 6, and there is a reason
for that. (my previous post) Infect it
is manifest from several traditions that she
loved the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him)
too much and even felt some sort of
jealousy when she found others around him.
Does this not prove that she was extremely
happy about this marriage? So, when she
herself had no problem at all then what’s
the matter of concern for others? 9-A 9-year
old Thai girl gave birth: A 9 old girl can
become a mother. If you don’t believe me
then see here is the proof; The news item is
from the New Straits Times, 10/3/2001. > In
our world today, we still have people who
marry very young girls. Why should we
object to someone who married a 9-year old
girl 1400 years ago, when we still practice it
today? The girl above even gave birth at the
age of 9! 10-It was absolutely legal: Prophet
Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was 100%
legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine
Religions. It is important to know that girls
during the Biblical and Islamic days used to
be married off at young ages when they
either had their first periods,. In other
words, when they turn into "women", then
they get married off. It was quite different
for men on the other hand, because physical
power and the ability of living an
independent life had always been and will
always be a mandatory requirement for men
to have in life. So men waited much longer
than women in terms of getting married.
The guy had to develop both his body and
mind before he was ready for marriage. That
is why you see girls as young as 9 or 10
were married to men as old as 30 or even
older. The culture back then and in many of
the world countries today (NON-MUSLIM
ONES TOO) is quite different than what you
live in today.And there is no divine law
which is broken in marrying a girl of nine at
any costs. 11-Her parents never objected:
Sayyidah Aisha's mother and the Muslim
women back then were O.K with her
marriage. It was part of the Arab custom
and still is in many of the Muslim and non-
Muslim countries today for girls to marry at
a very young age. When a girl's body starts
showing up (her breasts and her height and
physical size), then she would be ready for
marriage The only reason why Sayyidah
Aisha's father, Abu Baker Al Sidique, broke
her engagement with Jober is because he
was a non-Muslim. Later, a woman named
Kholeah Bint Hakeem suggested for Prophet
Muhammad peace be upon him to marry
Sayyidah Aisha, because the Prophet and
Abu Baker became best friends. Prophet
Muhammad (peace be upon him) engaged
Sayyidah Aisha for 3 years before he married
her. INDEED ALLAH KNOWS THE
BEST!!!

i rest my case
....

ooshinibos: i wondered what would have happenned if some one married a nine year old now in these days .....is this recorded in the koran ..please enlighten me

We keep saying the same thing over nd over again..... As if you don't understand English....

gnabry: ve u eaten today?

victorv12: All these thesist are about to take their religion into the space again! All the astronauts around the world should go against this. This shows how gullible all religion can be. Jesus and Muhammad died on this planet, why can't everything regarding their followership be limited to our planet alone! I hope their religious wars won't be taken to the space, where space stations and satellites will be the next target...The space most be really protected! It's meant for explorers, scientists and atheists, not religious followers that can wakeup one day and start blowing up all the satellites and the space stations in the solar system.

Bros must u comment...... As my sis said Your naivete is so glaring! take a glass of
water please.

Reski2500: see wat etisalat caus now.
I lost d race 4 5th to comment
angry.

Thanks for sharing tho....

pharmow: There are so many ʇuɐɹoubı comments made by some people that made me wonder why they cannot spend some time on the internet to improve their IQ

True...some Australopithecus Africanus cnt just see a post wifout critisizing others people religion....

De Beauvoir: I would be derailing if I did that.
Your quran in suratul talaq, gives men directions on how to go about divorcing their prepubescent wives if the need arises, there are also hadith on this matter.
Muhammed married Aisha when she was nine and scientific records show that girls who lived in the middle east during that era used to acheive puberty much later than when they were nine years old.

Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W) married Sayyidah Aisha was 9 years old, and there is a reason
for that. The reason why this happened is
because Sayyidah Aisha had been through
puberty by the age of 9, and in Islam a
female who under-goes puberty is
considered a lady and is fit for marriage. If
we read the hadiths, we find that right
before Sayyidah Aisha got married off to the
Holy Prophet that she was sick and not
feeling too well: Narrated Sayyidah
Aisha:”The Prophet engaged me when I was
a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and
stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin
Khazraj then I got ill and my hair fell down.
Later on my hair grew (again) and my
mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was
playing in a swing with some of my girl
friends. She called me, and I went to her,
not knowing what she wanted to do to me.
She caught me by the hand and made me
stand at the door of the house. I was
breathless then, and when my breathing
became all right, she took some water and
rubbed my face and head with it. Then she
took me into the house. There in the house
I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best
wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good
luck." Then she entrusted me to them and
they prepared me (for the marriage).
Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in
the forenoon and my mother handed me
over to him, and at that time I was a girl of
nine years of age.” {Sahih Bukhari Volume 5,
Book 58, Number 234} So as we can see,
Sayyidah Aisha got ill and her body was
going through some changes, indicating that
she was going through her puberty.
Sayyida Aisha never showed her displeasure:
Another striking thing to observe is that
among hundreds of her narrations there is
not even a single one showing her
displeasure about this marriage.

De Beauvoir: I would be derailing if I did that.
Your quran in suratul talaq, gives men directions on how to go about divorcing their prepubescent wives if the need arises, there are also hadith on this matter.
Muhammed married Aisha when she was nine and scientific records show that girls who lived in the middle east during that era used to acheive puberty much later than when they were nine years old.

The prophet (S.A.W)is a superrior human.....he is the best among human race....just as d prophet married 9 wifes....we are only alliwed to marry 4 wives...

Holy Prophet’s marriage with
Sayyidah Aisha, Sayyidah Aisha was 9 years old,
not when she was 6, and there is a reason
for that. The reason why this happened is
because Sayyidah Aisha had been through
puberty by the age of 9, and in Islam a
female who under-goes puberty is
considered a lady and is fit for marriage.

[quote author=cashkid(419)]Quran 2:216 – Allah says, “Warfare is
ordained to you (Muslims), though it is
hateful unto you; but it may happen
that ye hate a thing which is good for
you;” {This sura means Muslims must
fight wars for Allah till eternity,
whether they hate it or not}
Quran 2:217, 2.244, 3.21, 4.74, 4.84,
4.91, 5.33, - Allah basically commands
Muslims to fight and slay (kill)
unbelievers (non-Muslims).
Quran 3:54 - “…Allah is the best of
schemers.” {An accomplice to Murder}
Quran 4:76 – “Those who believe
(Muslims) do battle for the cause of
Allah;”
Quran 8:30 - “… and Allah is the best of
plotters.” {“Accomplice to Murder”}
Sura 8.12; “I will terrorize the
unbelievers. Then smite the necks and
smite of them each finger.” { Allah
himself admits, he is a terrorist, &
demands torture/killing}
Quran 8:39 – “…And fight them (non-
Muslims) until persecution (disbelieve
in Islam) is no more, and religion is all
for Allah…” {No others left-This sura
alone, says it all}
Quran 8:59 “And let not those who
disbelieve, suppose that they can
outstrip (Allah’s purpose). Lo! They
cannot escape.” 8:60 “Make ready for
them all thou canst of (armed) force
and of horses tethered that thereby ye
may dismay the enemy of Allah.”
Quran 9:29 – “Fight against such of
those who have been given the
scripture (Christians) as believe not in
Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not
that which Allah hath forbidden by his
messenger, and follow not the religion
of Truth (Islam) until they pay the
tribute readily, being brought low
(admitting readily as low-down to
Islam).”[/quote]All the verses above explains jihad....
nd u dont even knw what jihad means...fighting for cause of Allah...real muslim are not terrorist.....u cnt fight or goto war without your opponent knwing u re fighting him....islam frowns at terrorism......ND BY D WAY U DID NOT PROOF WHAT I WANTED U TO PROOF...
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i shoulnt be talking to an enemy of Allah by d way...
quran 8:30. And (remember) when the
disbelievers plotted against you (O
Muhammad ) to imprison you, or to
kill you, or to get you out (from your
home, i.e. Makkah); they were plotting
and Allah too was planning, and Allah is
the Best of the planners.
nd u were misinterpreting the word of Allah..