₦airaland Forum

kareemkamil:
My brother don't be deceived, Islam is the only religion u will do, to have mercy of God, when u die.

Christianity claim the same. What makes you think they're wrong and you're right?

Aegerine:
Yes I need the Qur'an verse(s). You should have deemed that necessary.

By the way, I am a geologist, and the Qur'an dealt with the subject matter of geology with pinpoint accuracy touching many of its numerous branches several centuries before the acclaimed father of modern geology

OK. Few hours I will bring the verses.

I'm also a geologist by the way with bachelor and masters degrees. Discussing the geology related verses of the Qur'an between us will be interesting. I will probably open a thread for it

cruxgemmata:
Here is another

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lekzhortin:
With all this knowledge u seem to think you have acquired,still there is still more you don't know.

Can u tell me why animals are created?
There purpose on earth?

Does it ever occur to you that they ought have they same privilege u are enjoying as a HUMAN?

Do you know what was protecting when u are nothing but a cling?

The breathe u take?

So many things u can never fathom with Ur knowledge because it so way out of your medulla

I never claim to know all. Infact, I always admit my ignorance anytime I realised my flaw. I can't leave Islam if I felt I knew everything.

Back to your question. I know where you are heading to and my answer is simple.

We are ignorant of many things in this life.

Scientist don't even know all animals in the ocean yet.

We don't know how to stop earthquake from happening (we can minimise the hazard though),

We don't have established factual scientific explanation for human consciousness.

We don't know what happened before big bang.

We don't know why big bang happened.

We don't know why several extinction occur in the past,

we don't know with certainty how free will works.

And lots more.

However, I don't agree with the god of the gap. The fact that we don't understand something in the universe doesn't mean that I should submit to a particular religion. Perhaps, we may have the explanation for such stuff in the future.

In the past, earthquake is attributed to the wrath of God, today as a geologist we know that God don't influence earthquake. It is natural, it is predictable.

In the past, Muhammad was afraid and rush to mosque when he saw eclipse. Today, scientist have explanation for eclipse and can predict when it will happen.

Thus, worshiping God of the gap is fallacious to the best of my understanding

mhmsadyq:
Ameer? So?
Anyways, i dont think any Muslim needs your validation either...

I don't know you personally, but I doubt you are devoted as I was in my days as a Muslim.

It may interest you that I completed five pillars of Islam including zajat and hajj. I prayed for guidance in my hajj and beg Allah to never allow me to doubt his religion (because the doubt had started before my hajj but I was still avoiding the doubt struggling with my brain).

What did Allah do?

If by your assumption that Allah lead me astray, why did he do such. Is he evil? Despite my prayers in haram.

I attended several umrah. I never had sex before marriage. I married a wife improved her deen from half hijab to full. She later put on the niqab.

You think I was just a common Muslim?

budaatum:
Lord God Almighty, continue to strengthen Xmuslim so he never ever tires. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

I don't usually like your posts (especially those defending Islam (not Muslim) ) but this got me laughing

Aegerine:
Thank you for your kind response.

Can you kindly point at a scientific point of the Qur'an that is inconsistent with reality?

Let's engage.

too many. Let start from the description of the heavenly bodies. Early Muslims believed the earth is flat and the sky is solid body. They got this interpretation from the Qur'an. Today we know this is a fallacy. Do you need quran verses? Or you know where it's stated in the Qur'an?

mhmsadyq:
Ameer? So?
Anyways, i dont think any Muslim needs your validation either...

lol. If I give you my full profile and tell you I'm a strong Muslim, I'm sure you will use me as a reference to non believer. But because I left the religion, you won't care about my ameer position in the past. Hypocrisy

Coronabirus:
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are you in Nigeria at all? Go and read the news

Human claim about religion is funny.

1. They were born innocently with nothing in their brain (Muslim claim baby were born Muslim unless if parents change their mind - this is a fallcy)

2. They imitate parents religions

3. They were indoctrinated by the parents, ustath, community, scholars, pastors, alfas, etc

4. They become aware of themselves as they grow up and they started investigating the religion in a biase way (even though they're not aware of their prejudice). They judge other religion based on the religion they were brought up with.

5. Most of them conclude that the religion of their parents is the accepted religion to God.

6. Few change their religion for various reasons

7. Very few abandoned religion all together.

8. We'll die and no guarantee of what will happen after death. But each religion design their own version of after life.

Isn't it funny

Human claim about religion is funny.

1. They were born innocently with nothing in their brain (Muslim claim baby were born Muslim unless if parents change their mind - this is a fallcy)

2. They imitate parents religions

3. They were indoctrinated by the parents, ustath, community, scholars etc

4. They become aware of themselves as they grow up and they started investigating the religion in a biase way (even though they're not aware of their prejudice). They judge other religion based on the religion they were brought up with.

5. Most of them conclude that the religion of their parents is the accepted religion to God.

6. Few change their religion for various reasons

7. Very few abandoned religion all together.

8. We'll die and no guarantee of what will happen after death. But each religion design their own version of after life.

Isn't it funny

k4kenny:
The more I read your responses, the more convinced I am that you never really understood Islam. Clearly you still don't.

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lol

k4kenny:
I mentioned above. God does not need our worship, If the entire world decided to worship him, It will be of no benefit to Him, If every single oerson on earth decides not to worship him, it'll be of no harm to Him. We worship Him for our own humility. We worship and unseen God so as not to be enslaved by objects. So we can be grounded and not arrogant.


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I bet you don't see the flaw in your write up . It's like saying I don't need your worship because it doesn't benefit me, but if you don't worship me I will punish you. If that make sense to you, I wonder which specie you belong to

k4kenny:
It might seem unfair and unjust to you, but that's why the Qur'an was revealed; to guide, warn anf give glad tidings. The principal purpose of our creation is to Worship the Creator Q51:56. An integral aspect of this worship is to give charity and be good to every one around you, regardless of their faiths. Allah mentions that those who do good without believing would be rewarded here on earth, but their deeds would not amount to anything on the day of Qiyaamah( I can't remember the chapter and verse at the moment). The Qur'an was revealed to warn and guide us right. The warnings are there for a reason. If someone warned you of a tornado and you choose to ignore the warning, don't complain when you become part of its casualities.

It's easy for you to say quran was revealed to guide human because you were probably born into Islamic family. Tell me what chance does soneone born into another have.

Secondly, Islamic god is so unfair that he will reward non Muslim in the temporary dunya, but Muslim in the everlasting akhira. And you think that make sense. If you know what I know, you will hate those that indoctrinated you.

Informed Muslim preachers have moved away from the scientific miracles claim of the Qur'an, but my people on nairaland are living in the past. Knowledge is power

Aegerine:
How can I get this book my brother.

Very much interested in reading

I have read the book when I was a Muslim and it was a very good book. But the book undermine Hadiths and claimed that Hadiths are unscientific.

Well, learned Muslims have moved on because of the fallacy in the claim of the scientific miracles in the Qur'an. Snap out of it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyf4gecrY8c

It may interest you guys to know that I was the ameer of my departmental MSSN in my undergraduate. I was also one of the core member of the main MSSN body in the university. I was the ameer of the MCAN of the local government where I served during my NYSC. I don't need your validation but my point is I know Islam more than an average Muslim.

DoctorAbk:
Xmuslim or what do you call yourself .
They devil has succeeded in brainwashing you as you are typing he is busy laughing at you. .
Well you still have chance don't allow your self to be engulf in the party of shayadins.
May Allah make me die as a Muslim.

In Islam when they sa kallalahu kala rasul we obey without allowing devil to play table tennis with our thinking

Well I trust my brain more than you believe in the imaginary devil. If something doesn't make sense, I can't accept it. It is that simple.

I'm not a zombie that just obey without questioning. My belief must be logically proven correct. I stopped being a Muslim the moment I couldn't logically defend some stuffs in my religion

k4kenny:
And that was all you could bring out from my epistle .

don't take offence with my choice of words please. I only picked one point from your epistle because your response shows your little Islamic knowledge and it will be unfair if I engage you head on. For example, you claimed that jihad is only prescribed as a defensive means but learned scholars knows that offensive jihad is in Islam....

k4kenny:
And that was all you could bring out from my epistle .

It's not for me to say if Allah would punish those not waering the HIjab. It's not in my capacity to judge. I wear the hijab befause I'm aware that this body doesn't belong to me and I intend to treat it in a way best pleasing to its Creator. One of the best decisions I've ever made .

lol! OK. Open your mind sha. What if I tell the origin of hijab from Qur'an and hadith. It is very different from the way your scholars packaged it for you.

Lest I fgt. It's because of the wrath of Allah that you use hijab. Admit the fact, don't avoid it

motayoayinde:
IF HE PRETENDS TO BE MUSLIM JUST TO AVOID BEING KILLED, IT'S OK.

THE AIM OF SHARI'AH IS MORE PREVENTIVE THAN IT IS PUNITIVE

SOMETHING SIMILAR HAPPENED WHILE THE PROPHET WAS ALIVE. A MUSLIM KILLED AN IDOLATOR DURING A BATTLE WHILE THE LATTER WAS DECLARING THE ISLAMIC CREED(shahadatain) SO AS TO AVOID BEING KILLED.

WHEN THE MATTER GOT TO THE PROPHET HE WAS ANGRY AND DISTURBED THAT A MUSLIM HAD KILLED A MUSLIM.

HE TOLD THE KILLER THAT HE HADN'T BEEN ORDERED TO OPEN UP PEOPLE'S HEART TO SEE WHAT THEY BELIEVE.

AS TO WHETHER THIS IS ENOUGH TO DOUBT ISLAM, I'M HAPPY TO INFORM YOU THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE JUDGEMENT OF ALLAH IN OLDER SCRIPTURES REVEALED BY ALLAH. IT'S EVEN MILDER.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY STRENGTHENED MY FAITH IN ISLAM AND I PRAY THAT I DOES SO FOR YOU TOO.

Well I don't like such judgement and I expect better from the mighty creator of the universe.

I don't expect a good religion to kill someone that leave the faith or force him to remain in the faith. This is the definition of a CULT

NeoWanZaeed:
Idiot boi with insane logic...

Since you have renounce Islam.. Why are you still alive?

Laughing

be more civil in your utterances. It will help you as you grow up. Life is complex than your imagination. It does not end in the Qur'an

blackjack21:
The bolded call to question the story of Muhammad to have travelled through the firmament to heaven. if the story were true then he would have surely observed that the sky was a composite of gases which excuse any assertion that the sky needs a pillar; so either that or we have to question the observer's faculties.

although, there's a possibility of clouds being solid it would still depend on the gravitational configuration of a planet to determines whether it crashes down or not.

So the answer to why the sky (wether solid or gaseous) does need a pillar is simply "GRAVITY".

RELIGION IS DARKNESS.
ONE OUGHT TO LOVE SCIENCE.

you nailed it. But are they ready for the truth. I doubt it

k4kenny:
With your mentioning of these 72 virgins. I'm more convinced you were never truly a muslim. Real muslims never believed in that crap. The hadith has ben debunked decades ago. Only non muslims latch on to it. You deceive none but yourself.

bring the evidence that the hadith is not authentic. Wait, it seems you are not a sunni Muslim. Enjoy your Islam . But be ready for the hell fire of the 73 sect that Muhammad says will enter hell fire. Only sunni Muslim are going directly to paradise

k4kenny:
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you believe Allah will punish you if you don't use hijab right?

k4kenny:
With your mentioning of these 72 virgins. I'm more convinced you were never truly a muslim. Real muslims never believed in that crap. The hadith has ben debunked decades ago. Only non muslims latch on to it. You deceive none but yourself.

ok

motayoayinde:
DIDN'T DENY IT BEING A PART OF OUR LAWS. I ONLY EXPLAINED THAT IT'S AS DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT AS THE ADULTERY LAW.

AFTER ALL THE RIGOUR TO ASCERTAIN THAT THE "MURTAD" (apostate) IS OF SOUND MENTAL HEALTH AND HAS INDEED APOSTASIZED BY DECLARATION AND ACTIONS, HE'S GIVEN ENOUGH TIME TO RECONSIDER HIS ACTIONS,
HE'S ALSO ALLOWED ACCESS TO ANYONE WHO CAN TALK HIM OUT OF HIS DECISION WHILE LETTING HIM KNOW OF THE CONSEQUENCES.

ALL OF THESE MUST BE IN AN ISLAMIC STATE, WHERE THE PENAL CODE FOR THE ENTIRE STATE IS SHARI'AH, NOT LIKE OURS AND MOST OTHER MUSLIM COUNTRIES WHERE THE SECULAR CONSTITUTION IS SUPREME.

AT THE END OF ALL THESE, THE FINAL DECISION TO TAKE HIS LIFE RESTS WITH THE RULER OF SUCH A STATE IF HE DOES NOT RECANT.

IT DOES HAPPEN, BUT RARELY.

you explain it perfectly. I can't deny the truth. But if I'm in that shoe and I pretend that I am no longer a disbeliever, that would be tantamount to forcing me.

It is like someone pointing a gun at me and telling me I have a choice to either say I'm a Muslim again or get killed. I don't think it is fair one bit .

If this isn't enough for you to doubt Islam, then we must be from a different planet

sukomit:
What religion do you practise now? Which one is perfect to you?

I haven't studied many religions. I only study the doctrines of abrahamic religions and their scriptures and I found them not convincing. I also looked into the doctrines of Sikhism and Hinduism and similar religion that claim incarnation. The notion of incarnation is not verifiable too.

Thus, I'm not religious at the moment. I will describe myself as an agnostic. I think a perfect God should not need human to worship him which obviously benefit him not. Good conduct and behaviour should be enough to please God.

I find it hard to accept that the ticket to paradise is being an adherents of a particular religion (irrespective of your conduct). I will explain.

Islamic paradise is for people that believe that Allah is God and Muhammad is His final messanger. If one have this believe but have the worst behaviour, he may be punished for a while but he will eventually make it to paradise.

But one that reject Muhammad and his preachings will never be able to escape hell fire even if he's the most good person in terms of behaviour and conduct.

This theory is also found in the majority of the Christian doctrine. The ticket to their heaven is to believe in trinity and that jesus died for your sin..

One problem I identified with Muslims is that you guys always think you have the absolute truth. Things are more complicated guys. Lower your pride and be objective and open minded.

I don't care if you are Muslim or Christian or atheist. What I care about is dangerous things in those religions should be discarded.

Example, jihad (religious war) should be abolished

Permissibility of beating wives should be abolished (some will say the beating should be with tooth brush - it's not true)

Permissibility of minor marriage should be abolished

Killing apostate and blasphemous should be abolished

Forcing religion on your children should be abolished. Let then decide.

Preventing your female children from marrying from other faiths should be abolished

Forcing hijab on your child girl should be abolished. Let them decide

And lots more

fashionhub:
Okay... Let's put it this way
See. I understand you urge to make sense
To make sense out of everything possible, and that's why right now I'm talking to you as I will talk to my younger brother,
Everything does not go in 0s and 1s.
You do not know anything
The more you try to proof that wrong, the more you get nested in the debris of your intellectual jargons

Alright... you want thinking abi, then tell me why the heaven(sky) is with no pillars

you need to assume that you may be wrong. You need to assume that there is a possibility for the Qur'an and Islam to be wrong. Without these, you can never comprehend me.

@bolded. Why would sky need pillars? In fact, your point is one of the weakness of the Qur'an.

Muhammad like any other 7th century man with limited scientific knowledge felt that the sky is a solid body that require a pillar. But we now know that sky is just a vast space.

The sky is not a solid body

The star are not attached to the sky like Qur'an claimed. Infact, many single stars are bigger than our planet

Please read about what sky means from scientific point of view for more details

Jayhansdboss:
When last was an apostate murdered in your country

ask Muhammad that drafted the apostacy and blasphemy law.

Sometime one need to be harsh to some questions

Thenorth:
You already long gone...
Totally mislead...
Just keep your strength aside, Cos you doesn't Even reach the kind of Disbeleaver that I will waste my precious time arguing about what the noble QUR'AN contain...
I pray to Allah almighty every morning when I wake up to protect and keep me on my faith...

bye. It is good to define the boundaries before engaging people. Closed minded people like you can't see errors even if they are presented to them. I'm sorry I can't help

Jayhansdboss:
What are your evidence on this

Read sahih buhari if you are a sunni Muslim. I'm tired of giving evidence to Muslims only for them to start cognitive dissonance drama