₦airaland Forum

advocatejare:
You're lying. The verse talks about those that emigrated with muhammad to Medina but later turned back when they knew that Muhammad was a false prophet and a liar and they turned back and left Islam, then Allah said they should be killed for turning back from Islam


﴿فَلاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ مِنْهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءَ حَتَّى يُهَاجِرُواْ فِى سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَإِنْ تَوَلَّوْاْ﴾
(So take not Awliya' from them, till they emigrate in the way of Allah. But if they turn back,) if they abandon Hijrah, as Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas. As-Suddi said that this part of the Ayah means, "If they make their disbelief public.''


"Others, such as Ibn Kathir and Maududi’s Quran commentary, say that the verse refers to the hypocrite Muslims who had accepted the message of Islam in Makkah..."

even though I don't agree with Christianity (I like it more than Islam though), I appreciate your effort in going through tafseer. Those Muslims will only use tafseer when it favours them. But they will claim open mindedness

motayoayinde:
256. Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

fún fact. Hadith can abrogate Qur'an verse and this verse has been abrogated by two hadeeths.

1. Hadith that command the killing of apostate.

2. Hadith where Muhammad says he is been commanded to fight people until they become Muslim.

Read your tafseer Well before posting Qur'an verse that's been abrogated by Muhammad hadeeths

Meekha:
I am a Christian and not a Jew. I follow the teachings and commands of Jesus and not everything captured in the Old Testament because some of the laws were not originally made for people. Jesus came and revealed the true intentions of God.

Muhammad came and dragged us back to the law of an eye for an eye and laws of apostasy.

As at the moment, I don't know of any Christian secret that encourages that wicked and inhumane act. You know any?? Tell me pls.

when you back online, just answer my repeated question once. WHAT WAS YAHWEH THINKING WHEN HE REVEALED THOSE LAWS.

Unless you can't live without religion, Christianity is not in line with common sense either

AntiChristian:
No, I think I brought similar verses of what you claimed chased you from Islam to Christianity from the Bible.

Now you can now embrace another religion if you're truthful in the beginning!

for the first time, I agree with you completely.

Meekha:
Now I am not saying that Christians dump the entire old testament. No. They are part of our scripture. But when Jesus came around, he revealed the original intent of God to humanity.

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so the old testament gave the false intent of God?

Was Yahweh not aware that those laws were too harsh.

I'm not a Muslim for your information. I disagree with all religions,but I don't deny the possibility of existence of a God

AntiChristian:
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your Tu Quoque fallacy is amazing.

You were asked to justify nonsen.sical stuffs in Islam. You left the argument and started pointing out similar nons.ense in Christianity.

If both are nonsense, why did you chose one nonse.nse and criticise the other. Is your no.nsense less nonsensical to his nonsense.se

motayoayinde:
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BEFORE ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS THOUGH, I'D LIKE THAT KNOW IF YOU'RE STILL.AS OPEN-MINDED ON THE ISSUE AS TO ACCEPT SOME OF MY POINTS IF YOU FIND THEM SATISFACTORY.

THIS IS SO THAT WE DON'T RUN IN CIRCLES AND NOBODY'S TIME IS WASTED.

You can't justify those points without you running in circles yourself. The hadeeths and Qur'an are crystal clear on those issue. Stop twisting your own source

Just accept that there are part of your religion that doesn't make sense and move on. Nobody is forcing you to be free of dogma and superstition, but stop justifying nonsense spoken by Muhammad 1400 year ago

forlexxy:
We believe naturally that all people were born as Muslims then the families they are born into later influence the child's thinking or the culture influences the child's natural belief in one God .

but Muhammad still told you to force your children to observe solat. If they were Muslim naturally and they were lucky to be born by a Muslim, why forcing them to practice Islam. Isn't Muhammad claim a BIG FALLACY?

Meekha:
With all due respect to your religion and your emotional connection to it, there are a number of things I find discomforting and those were my sole reasons for leaving Islam.

I'll like to ask how you feel about...

* The Death Punishment for Apostasy.

* The fact that Islam approve of Muslim males to marry non-Muslim females and will often violently reject non-Muslim males from marrying a Muslim female.

* The fact that Allah intentionally lead some people astray and let some people remain in the right path

* Calling for the death of those who criticise your prophet.

To be honest, all of these reasons are absurd to me and they were part of the reasons why I knew I can't continue to be a Muslim. This is because to you me, the ideology upon which Islam is was built reeks of insecurity and conquest.

As a person who cherishes his own free will and freedom to choose, all of these does not make any sense to me because they do not harmonize with our human nature.

So Muslims, the table has turned to you. What is it about Christianity or other religions that makes you think that they are not the right religion or why do you still insist that Islam is the right religion even when it will readily call for your death when you decide to leave it??

Bible also has some of these problems, but Christians will claim that jesus has erased all those laws. My question to Christians is WHAT WAS YAHWEH THINKING WHEN HE REVEALED THOSE LAWS.

Your best bet is to leave all religions. You may still believe in God, but those religions can't be accepted if you are willing to follow your rational mind

By: Fatma Ramadan

If I was waging war and sending many young men to fight and possibly die a virgin in battle for me ,the promise of fulfilling their desires in the afterlife sounds no different to the spoils of war.
One way or another the suppressed sexual desires of young men who fight or die for allah will be fullfilled for Muslims. Hence the promise of the hoor-l-ain (paradise slùts)

By :Carraweelo Sceptic

Basically as a woman Allah is gong to fundamentally change me to suit me after his rewards for men? I will be like a potato with no free will? Guess I don’t want such a “paradise”

By: stormi(female)

I am pissed that women's jealousy or protectiveness will be taken away in Islamic heaven so that we can watch our husbands screw other bitch.es. lmao this is shit so glad I'm leaving this

looker444:
Thoughts?

abrogation is an escape plan for Muhammad and Muslims also emulate him. Nothing convincing in the Farid video. He is an apologetic and he is only ready to defend Islam not to side with the truth (even if it is against Islam)

Why would all knowing God reveal a verse and later cancel it. I expect him to be more intelligent than me. I understand alcohol gradual prohibition, which is the popular example, but

- what of a whole chapter gotten abrogated.
-What of stoning verse that is expected to be enforced, but abrogated in the text, what's the logic in this. Allah is ashamed of the verse?
- what of a verse that prohibit additional marriage for Muhammad which was later abrogated by another verse that permitted him to continue adding wives.

Is Allah confused? What was he thinking when he revealed the chapter and the verse? Pardon my language.

tintingz:
I rather watch Hamza Tzortzis debate.

yes, that Greek guy is more intellectually honest than Hijab. He is one of few Muslim scholars that admitted that Qur'an is not in line with modern science even though he concluded wrongly claiming that since science keeps changing, it can't discredit quran.

UsmanBabaIdris:
Provide your evidence!

my time is precious. The responsibility is on you to go and read what non muslims write about Islam and try to verify and justify their points without bias.

Islam go against science
It contradict common sense
It describe God as evíl
Allah could not preserve Qur'an as he promised in the Qur'an
Lots of contradictions in the Hadiths and Qur'an
Islam encourages Muslims to hate non Muslims
It seems to have been created for the benefit of Muhammad
And many more

UsmanBabaIdris:
a word is enough for the wise!

else he will roast me in fire forever right? That alone is enough reason to throw Allah in the dustbin of history.

Allah can't convince me with explicit evidence. All he can do is to thrèathen me with eternal hell. Is that not ridiculous

Theguided:
I started reading the Quran and when I got to chapter 2 verse 23.

this verse says that if we doubt Qur'an, we should produce something like it. As a phylosopher, I'm extremely flabbergasted that you can't see the fallacy in this statement.

Can anyone write exactly like any other person? A test that can't be falsify is never a test.

Also, anyone that attempt to write similar Qur'an would be prosecuted in Islamic country as if he's commited a crime. Read news please. One happened recently (I fgt the country). You gave me a challenge, I attempt to do it, you arrest me for attempting. Is that normal?

Before you can see clearly, you need to abandon the fear of hell fire and criticise quran the same way you would criticise the Bible

Theguided:
Go and search Mohammed hijab on YouTube. He uses the same logic to prove Islam. Trust me, I was a logical person and logically Islam proves itself. Watch his debates with people. He uses logic only. Just logic nothing else.

I have passed through this stage. I was impressed the first time I listened to him (was still practicing my parents religion then). Trust me Muhammad hijab sound like idiot to me today.

Do you know that hijab deleted the video of his conversation with Dr yasir qadhi regarding the preservation of the Qur'an? Why? Because he want to keep Muslims in the ignorant status forever.

Hijab only twist Qur'an and hadith to make it look nice and he use big big terminologies.

Ask yourself, is hijab more smart than Allah? Why can't Allah reveal a book that does not require hijab interpretation?

Believe me Islam can never be from a supreme being. I've done enough research on this religion. It was hard for me to believe that the religion of my parent is a hoax. But I can't deny the truth - that's me.

Theguided:
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I don't want to go into the inconsistencies in the Qur'an and hadith.

My first question to you is this. Is ETERNAL HELL FIRE Justifiable?. Do you think it make sense?

Also, do you think it is Allah that guided you to Islam, or your effort to know the truth.

Third, do you love Allah or you are afraid of his supposed brutal punishment?

Before I forget, I was a fan of Yusuf estees, zakir naik, Ahmed deedat etc and I've watch Muhammad hijab and other apologetics. So I've been where you are. If you are truly logical, and not bias in your research, you will later abandon religion.

Praylove:
I was taking care of a friend who's ill. I pray that the healing hands of the Lord rest upon her. Amen

and if she does not recover despite your prayers, you will still continue to believe in prayer. Some human are indeed more evolved than others

yemi1504:
You forgot their Bible says their God does things in his own "time and season", that saying alone is enough cause for and to worry for sensible people. Just saying o.

you are right

It was when I was more educated and realised many flaws in the religion that scholars (whom I asked questions about Islam privately) started telling me why..

I should not believe my brain;
that not everything in Islam will make sense to human;
that we have been given little knowledge and we cannot discredit Islam with our own brain that is deficient.
That we should just say we hear and we obey (we should not criticise the religion of Allah)

I came to nairaland thinking those scholars were biased. To my surprise most Muslims here started reacting same way. They started saying they will believe anything in the Qur'an and hadith whether it make sense or not.

They started saying it is Allah that guided them to Islam not their brain etc.

This make me realise that I was different from the beginning, but I didn't know because I have not found any flaw in the religion. I thought we were together and that no Muslim would accept Islam if it go against common sense or established scientific fact.

Thus, if dogmatically following Qur'an and hadith is the definition of a Muslim, then I think I was never a Muslim.

Thanks for your time

2. When I was in the religion of my parent,i sincerely thought it was the absolute truth based on the evidences I had. These include
a) supposed scientific miracles of the Qur'an
b) supposed numerical miracle of the Qur'an
c) supposed prophecy of Muhammad
d) supposed recurrent miracles such as name of Allah on a snail, tree etc
e) supposed miraculous absolute preservation of the Qur'an.
F) etc

I sincerely thought that non muslims deserves punishment (though I was never happy with eternal torture) because Qur'an told me that they intentionally reject Islam despite knowing with certainty that Islam is the way.

I sincerely thought that abrogation principle in the Qur'an make sense because of few examples such as alcohol gradual abrogation.

I sincerely thought that the description of Islamic paradise (full of wine, virgins etc) is same with other abrahamic religions.

I sincerely thought that every Muslims believed islam because of convincing evidence, and I never doubt that any Muslim will twist obvious flaw if found in Islam. I felt any rational being will abandon anything that lack merit.


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So many Muslims on this thread have been accusing me of faking my previous religion status and I use to affirm my status. Little did I know that they were telling the truth albeit from different angle.

I was never a Muslim for the following reasons

1. I never chose Islam as my religion. I was born, raised and indoctrinated into Islam. I grew up and did my own research about religion and concluded that my parent religion is the correct one. Little did I know that I was bias and was looking at other religions with great skeptism - the principle which I didn't apply to Islam. I leaned about other religions from Qur'an, Hadith and Muslim scholars. So, my research was very skewed.

I can't say I was a Muslim per se because I was not in my right senses then and I was not given a choice. If I was given a neutral mind and I researched all religion using same standard and concluded that Islam is the way, then I can claim I was a Muslim.

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We shall keep educating you guys, not because we want you to be extremely wise and confident like us (and thus leave religion), but because we want you to have some doubts about the validity of your religion.

Having doubt however little will help yo to be less judgemental about other people's perspectives such as other religions, other sexual orientations etc.

It will also help some of you with great empathy not to worry too much about the afterlife of your loved ones who don't follow your religion. You will accept the possibility of your loved ones not ending in the eternal Lake of fire despite his/her religion believe.

iramure:
religion has really dealt with me negatively in the past. I will always be afraid of what is not real, doubting my intelligence because i believe I need holy spirit to interpret things to me before I take a step. I became lazy believing my own intelligence is not worth it. My confidence has been completely taken away. Miracles only take place in the bible. No physical miracle done any pastor in jesus name. I pity those still believing the nonsense

people are still in this delusional state (especially sunni Muslims). They trust revelation (Qur'an) more than their own brain. Thus, they're stuck in the delusion forever.

I stopped believing in religion when I started using my brain properly without indoctrination interference.

Akayitzomu:
am really sick am on drip

pray to God and leave hospital. Let's test the power of this unseen Yahweh sef.

edoairways:
I stop attending because of unanswered prayers. No point wasting my time praying for more than a decade without results

they will tell you God has a better plan for you that you should be patient . Or

Your sin is too much that's why God is not answering you . Or

Your faith is weak . or

Other lies

danyero:
I examined my belief and realized it does not hold up to reality. I was a Christian because I was born into it, I could easily have been born Muslim or Hindu or to one of the many other religions.

welcome to the sane community. I did same to the Islam that I was born into.

Only critical, unbias, and lack of fear of the imaginary hell fire in these religions can set one free.

RELIGION IS NOT FOR EVERY HUMAN. I THINK I'VE EVOLVED ABOVE RELIGION

jesusjnr2020:
Wow!

Caplocked's actually in the spirit, because I was high on Something much more than alcohol or any of the stuffs you guys take to get high... It is called the Holy Spirit, but I doubt you both would be able to comprehend it.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

snap out of illusion my dear friend

UsmanBabaIdris:
Please mention some of what science has done and Allah cannot!
we await your response!

that's in the past. You guys can't handle the truth. Go and study on your own. Allah, hell, Islamic paradise are all imaginaries. Muhammad didn't bring his message from any supreme being. All are fallacies.