₦airaland Forum

motayoayinde:
SIXTH QUOTE
WHAT MAKES THIS HADITH SO DOUBTFUL IS THE PART WHICH TALKS ABOUT BREASTFEEDING AN ADULT 10 TIMES.
NO SUCH THING EXISTS IN ISLAM.
ONLY BABIES ARE BREASTFED IN ISLAM AND THAT'S IF THEY ARE BELOW THE AGE OF 2.

first you tried, but there are obvious logical fallacies in your claim. But I'm not interested in dragging the issue. It is crystal clear that Qur'an wasn't perfectly preserved as claimed. Even honest Muslim scholars agree to this.

Regarding breastfeeding, I guess you are not aware of the hadeeths that talk about adult breastfeeding

Realismailakabir:
but why didnt mode block this guy? how muslims did you see posting on christian section? and i'm very sure you are not an ex-muslim you are doing all these to confuse people of their religion.

typical Muslim. You are always against freedom of expression. As for your claim, you are right - I was never a Muslim

businesscitadel:
Typical Muslim! Violence and threat na una way!

na their way

FIRDAUS3:
And for those who disbelieve in their Lord is the punishment of hell,and evil is the resort.

empty threat that's trying you down to the Arab religion

Lie lue people. Let them cure covid-19

k4kenny:
You can see whay these hadiths can be quite contratictory. They were written and compiled by men, prone to errors in translations and transmission.

I quite agree with you here.

But don't you know that it is the same set of people that compiled Qur'an too? If they reported hadith wrongly, you think they didn't made mistake in Qur'an compilation too?

Think about it deeply.

k4kenny:
I didn't go to any apologetics website as you claimed, I'm not like you who goes copying and pasting fron anti-Muslim websites and facebook pages. The concept of ladies having delayed menstruation is not a far fetched concept, it's not that uncommon.

The Qur'an is clear. In the pages where divorce was mentioned, the sole feminine term used was nisa'a(women). A little girl that is not matured cannot be referred to as a woman, there a lots of other terms that used to describe a young girl. There's no ambiguity in the word woman.

I don,t know where you got your screenshot from, but I have more confidence in the words used in the Qur'an than whatever any human being wrote, ibn Kathir might be a respected scholar, lets not forget he's also human. Allah used the word Women repeatedly in the verses of divorce, that should suffice anyone, except the one who desperately wants to satisfy his twistted misconception.



Really? Did you see her birth certificate to be sure of this? First of all, if you were the kind of muslim you claimed to be you should know that the pre Islamic Arabs were the most uneducated and uncivilised people. They kept no records of dates. Most of the dates we use in their histories were largely estimations.

Secondly, their leader used to manipulate their calenders during the times of war. They were required to stop their battles at the months of haram, in order to continue the wars, their leaders twisted the calender to avoid the sharul haram. Due to this, some years had far more than 12 months in them. Allah addressed it in the Qur'an. Again, no one can be sure of anyone's age.

Thirdly, This information of Aisha(RA)'s age at the time of marriage was joyously narrated by Aisha herself in her hadith. The hadith does mention she was 9 when she got married, but other hadiths narrated by Aisha herself contradicts this age. Another hadith claimed she was 5 years at the time the Prophet got his first revelation. She reportedly got married at the year 2AH. Let's do a little calculation...

If she was 5 at the time of prophethood(remember she may as well be older due to their poor record keeping), spent 10 years in Makkah, married 2 years after migration to Madinah.
5+10+2=17

Another hadith narrated by her sister Asma'a stated she was 30 years at the time of Hijrah. Multiple reports suggests that she was approximately 10 years older than Aisha. Tha makes Aisha approximately 20 years at the time of hijrah. she got married 2 years afterwards, that makes her 22.

You can see whay these hadiths can be quite contratictory. They were written and compiled by men, prone to errors in translations and transmission.

I can go on and on about how Aisha used to stand cheek to cheek with her husband, write lenghty poetry... A nine year old Ther was a battle shortly after the wedding where boys under 15 were told not to participate in. Guess who was fully involved in this battle, treating and bringing food supplies? 9 year old Aisha... makes sense abi.

I know you'll go back to your islamophobic pages for more screenshots. Again Allah is sufficient for us.

You should have just said you don't trust hadiths and the salafs and save us the stress.

You should have said you are one of those that interpret quran on their own regardless of the tafsir of the earlier Muslims that are regarded as salaf saliheen.

I thought you were sunni Muslim, I'm sorry I bothered you.

I like your type of Islam anyway. It is less dangerous to humanity. However, it is not the correct version of Islam

N.B. You didn't give any reference to all your claims about aisha age, but don't bother again. We're done.

I expect k4kenny to accept that Islam permit marriage to mino.r like other sunni Muslims on this forum. They even admit that they are not ashamed of any Islamic rulings such as killing of apostate and blasphemous. However ridiculous

People like AntiChristian and the like will be surprised that their own sister is denying permissibility of marriage to unde.rage.

k4kenny:
Alright let's address that issue. There's no need to check any tafseer, the answer lies in the very first verse. The name of the Surah is At-talaq(the divorce) and it speaks extensively on the rulings surrounding divorce. Suratul Baqarah also broadly discusses this issue of divorce. But note the general term Allah used to refer to the female to be divorced:

65:1 O Prophet, when you(believers) intend to divorce your women...

2: 231 and 231: When you divorce women...

The word specified anywhere divorce is mentioned is nisa'a(women), a term used to describe matured females. Allah could have used the term wives(zawjat, imra'at or soohebat), or the word females(unthaa). Rather Allah in His infinite Wisdom repeatedly used the word women in all verses of divorce to emphasize that it's matured females that are to be married.

Now to the issue of wives that have not started their menses. Perhaps you don't know that it's very possible to be a full grown woman of marriagable age and yet not begin your menstruation. This is actually not so rare, some females begin their periods as late as 18 or 20 years. Though it'll be recommended to visit the gynae if the monthly period hasn't started as at the age of 15, but according to NHS.com, it's not uncommon for a lady to start her menses at the age of 18.

Allah is our Creator, Maker and Fashioner. He knows our anatomies cannot possibly be the same, there'll be few exceptions to the norms.... Does He who created not know?[67.14]. All praises to Him.

First, you can't interpret Qur'an without tafseer. Stop going to apologetics website for twisted answer that suite your mind. This interpretation is different from what the author of the Qur'an intended.

Check tafseer Ibn kathir and see for yourself that Allah was referring to the young who haven't reached the age of menstruation. I have attached it for you.

Why are we even debating whether Islam permit marriage to mine.or. Didn't Muhammad matrird Aisha at 6 and did what he did to her at 9?

thesilentman:
I'm enlightened already.

a truly enlightened soul can never go back to religion.

ggirl4real:
If God wants me to make heaven (if there's any), He can and will include my name in the list. He is powerful enough to do that.

However, if God chooses to send me to hell fire (if there's any) because I'm an unbeliever despite living a morally upright life, then who I'm I to challenge the All-Powerful God?

perfectly said

thesilentman:
n.
Heaven and hell is the biggest scam of this millenium.
You can argue till you are red in the face.
I'm enlightened already.

I have never seen any scam greater than the concept of hell and heaven (especially Islamic heaven brothel)

Xmuslim:
https://sunnah.com/muslim/44/308

The online link to the hadith try to conceal the prophecy error so much that it also quoted Ibn Umar that lived century aftet Muhammad. Upon realising the defect in Hadiths, Ibn Umar quickly told people that what Muhammad meant was not the end of the world. Like seriously? Why would the last prophet speak vague words that requires others interpretation? Can't he just speak straight?

Ibn Umar said: People were (not understanding) these words of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) which had been uttered pertaining to one hundred years. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) in fact meant (by these words) that on that day none from amongst those who had been living upon the earth (from amongst his Companions) would survive (after one hundred years) and that would be the end of this generation.

Magic of putting the words in Muhammad's mouth. I'm not surprised, if they can put words in Allah's mouth, why not Muhammad. Easy peasy

Do I need to tell you guys that aftet 100yrs non of us would be on the earth? Is that a news? Of course we know that in a forum where we probably don't have less than 10 years old, the probability of living another 100yrs is slim.

Can Muslims tell us what exactly Muhammad was trying to point out by telling his companions the obvious?. It does not add up.

Xmuslim:
Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) led us 'Isha' prayer at the latter part of the night and when he had concluded it by salutations he stood up and said:

Have you seen this night of yours? At the end of one hundred years after this none would survive on the surface of the earth (from amount my Companions).

Sahih Muslim 31. 6160

The strike part is not in the Arabic version. As a Muslim, you need to know Arabic however little so that these scholars will not be toying with your brain.

See the Arabic. Muhammad meant no one would remain on the surface of the earth.

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، وَعَبْدُ بْنُ حُمَيْدٍ، قَالَ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ حَدَّثَنَا وَقَالَ عَبْدٌ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، أَخْبَرَنِي سَالِمُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، وَأَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ سُلَيْمَانَ أَنَّ عَبْدَ اللَّهِ بْنَ عُمَرَ، قَالَ صَلَّى بِنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ذَاتَ لَيْلَةٍ صَلاَةَ الْعِشَاءِ فِي آخِرِ حَيَاتِهِ فَلَمَّا سَلَّمَ قَامَ فَقَالَ ‏ "‏ أَرَأَيْتَكُمْ لَيْلَتَكُمْ هَذِهِ فَإِنَّ عَلَى رَأْسِ مِائَةِ سَنَةٍ مِنْهَا لاَ يَبْقَى مِمَّنْ هُوَ عَلَى ظَهْرِ الأَرْضِ أَحَدٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

https://sunnah.com/muslim/44/308

The online link to the hadith try to conceal the prophecy error so much that it also quoted Ibn Umar that lived century aftet Muhammad. Upon realising the defect in Hadiths, Ibn Umar quickly told people that what Muhammad meant was not the end of the world. Like seriously? Why would the last prophet speak vague words that requires others interpretation? Can't he just speak straight?

Ibn Umar said: People were (not understanding) these words of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) which had been uttered pertaining to one hundred years. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) in fact meant (by these words) that on that day none from amongst those who had been living upon the earth (from amongst his Companions) would survive (after one hundred years) and that would be the end of this generation.

Magic of putting the words in Muhammad's mouth. I'm not surprised, if they can put words in Allah's mouth, why not Muhammad. Easy peasy

Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) led us 'Isha' prayer at the latter part of the night and when he had concluded it by salutations he stood up and said:

Have you seen this night of yours? At the end of one hundred years after this none would survive on the surface of the earth (from amount my Companions).

Sahih Muslim 31. 6160

The strike part is not in the Arabic version. As a Muslim, you need to know Arabic however little so that these scholars will not be toying with your brain.

See the Arabic. Muhammad meant no one would remain on the surface of the earth.

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، وَعَبْدُ بْنُ حُمَيْدٍ، قَالَ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ حَدَّثَنَا وَقَالَ عَبْدٌ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، أَخْبَرَنِي سَالِمُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، وَأَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ سُلَيْمَانَ أَنَّ عَبْدَ اللَّهِ بْنَ عُمَرَ، قَالَ صَلَّى بِنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ذَاتَ لَيْلَةٍ صَلاَةَ الْعِشَاءِ فِي آخِرِ حَيَاتِهِ فَلَمَّا سَلَّمَ قَامَ فَقَالَ ‏ "‏ أَرَأَيْتَكُمْ لَيْلَتَكُمْ هَذِهِ فَإِنَّ عَلَى رَأْسِ مِائَةِ سَنَةٍ مِنْهَا لاَ يَبْقَى مِمَّنْ هُوَ عَلَى ظَهْرِ الأَرْضِ أَحَدٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

A'isha reported that when the desert Arabs came to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) they asked about the Last Hour as to when that would come. And he looked towards the youngest amongst them and said:

If he lives he would not grow very old that he would find your Last Hour coming to you.

Sahih Muslim 41, 7050.

The English translation has this in the bracket (he would see you dying). This is a way to cover unfufil prophesy of Muhammad.

https://sunnah.com/muslim/54/172

According to this hadith. The world supposed to have ended centuries ago.

If you believe Muhammad was talking about the death of those that questioned him, then it means Muhammad could not comprehend simple question posed to him. He should have simply said I don't know.

By: Hassan radwan

I don't think most people realise how traumatic losing one's faith in Islam can be. It is both shocking and deeply upsetting. It turns your world upside down.

There is a frustrating mystery and precariousness to our existence & religion can be such a comfort, which is why it is such an attractive proposition. But they are so conspicuously human and entrenched in an age of ignorance of the world.

Many religious people today struggle to hold on to their beliefs in the face of the dubious claims of these religions and the small gods they depict.

I appreciate that religions arose from humanity's sincere search for meaning and the divine - and I don't totally dismiss the thought there might be some sort of God - but the religions we have are so palpably human. They are not God speaking to man - but man speaking for God in the face of the heavens unreasonable silence.

2. KILL The INNOCENT DOGS. BLACK DOGS ARE DEVIL

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be KILLED
Bukhari Vol. 4, #540


Abd Allah B. Mughaffal reported the apostle of Allah as saying: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one.(Abu Dawud #2839)


Abu Zubair heard Jabir Abdullah saying: Allah's messenger ordered us to kill dogs and we carried out this order so much so that we also killed the dog roaming with a women from the desert. Then Allah's apostle forbade their killing. He said: "It is your duty to kill the jet-black (dog) having two spots (on the eyes) for it is a DEVIL (SAHIH Muslim #3813)

Abu Zarr, reported: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of a) donkey, woman, and black dog. I said: O Abu Zarr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil (sahih Muslim 510)

They may not read some of these Hadiths for you in Islamic lectures because they are ashamed of them.

1. Adult Muslim female is allowed to breastfeed adult male (who is not her husband or child) in order to make him mahram (someone he can never marry again)

Ref: Sahih Muslim, book 8, hadithnumber 3426, page 846.

https://sunnah.com/muslim/17
https://muflihun.com/muslim/8/3426


Let's see nairaland sunni Muslims response

k4kenny:
.

the verse in the Qur'an that support marriage and ṣèx to minor (those that have not menstruate.d)

https://quran.com/65/4?translations=17,19,20,21,22,85,95,18,84,101

Qur'an 65:4
And those who no longer expect menstru.ation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstru.ated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.


Please check your tafseer before you reply

Bloooody:
It seems women are very very dull when compared to us men especially Nigerian women.
I dare any man to try to bring an intellectual debate with his girl like the government or the existence of god or evolution or the theories of natural selection.
Almost no woman would answer you especially a nigerian woman.
It's very unsettling and makes you question if truly they deserve equality with us men.

you are right at the bolded. While I agree that men are more smarter even outside Nigeria, Nigerian women are way duller. I mean very dull.

However, I think it is not in their gene per se. It may be due to the way they where brought up. They were made to believe they're inferior and they lack confidence.

I think the new generation should give Nigerian women the freedom and the confidence from birth. I would rather pity them than mental shame them

oaugraduate1234:
You're a liar

what is the lie in it. Or is it kano people's invention outside Islam? Teach me something new

oaugraduate1234:
May God forgive you and your fellow critics

when Muhammad was passing the blasphemy law during his time, he didn't consider modern people criticism?

K4kenny come and see your people ó.

When I say I want people to realise that Islam is not the absolute truth, this is one of the stuffs I'm preaching against. These people that did this to this boy think Islam is 100% from God and every sahih Hadiths must be acted upon.

How come you people don't see the light of freedom and peace outside Islam . Well I have left the religion for una

P. S. No one should invite me to Christianity. Even though today's Christians are not violent, their bible is not better either.

k4kenny:
What evedence? Nonsense posts you went to copy and past from one anti muslim facebook page. Come to think of it. Your types constantly call religious folks gullible, yet you made a post filled with crap that you didn't bother to verify. Your stance against Islam was enough fo you to believe without verification. That's the textbook definition of a GULLIBLE person.

you don't need to be rude in a conversation. You can be civil while proving your point. Okay?

That aside, I will say this before I bring the evidence. You will definitely go against any evidence that weaken Islam even if it is in the Qur'an or hadith. You will find apologetics answer that suit you.

k4kenny:
This got me chuckling a bit. You've done nothing but display your ignorance about Islam. Seriously?? Coming from a guy who posted an 'Authentic hadith' about goats eating up pages of the Qur'an, 72 virgins... Jihad... . You may know some verses of the Qur'an, but from your posts, you knowlwgde of Islam is below average.

Like the guy above said, you're over reaching yourself. Your arrogance and flattery of yourself got you where you are today, though I'm not sure you were ever really a Muslim.

P.S I'm just seeing you thread (some of us have lives outside of NL you know...). You can keep having the conversation with yourself on that thread. Bring whatever 'authentic hadith' you want to treat over here. Allah is sufficient for us as a guide.

too bad you aren't ready to learn. The fact is you have been deceived by the point you raised but I was a bit busy to bring evidence to counter the apologist misleading point you mentioned. My intention is to bring the evidence to you on the thread I opened gradually whenever I'm free. But now you are not interested.

Well, my intention is not to make you leave Islam. Far from that. I only want people to know that Islam is not the absolute truth as we've been brainwashed by the ulama and the apologist.

For example, there is a verse in the Qur'an that support marriage and sex to minor (those that have not menstrated).

Qur'an encourage beating of wives

Hadith commanded killing of blasphemers and apostate

Qur'an was not perfectly preserved as we have been told.

Qur'an go against science

Qur'an go against common sense.

Quranic description of paradise is like a pórn house. Full of virgins (72 for martyers) with first breaṣt, transparent body, very fair. They become virgins again after men deflower them.

Nevertheless, I am not denying the good part of the Qur'an. Infact, they are more than the bad part. But people need to know the truth in order to live a balanced life. Even if they will continue with the religion, they will be more calm and more friendly and more tolerant

Seun I'm still in pain here. Help me out please. This deleted thread contains a lot of fact and I see no reason for it to be removed

IMAliyu:
On the subject of earthquake and mountains.

I don't see any correlation between mountains and earth stability. Actually what I see is more of a negative correlation, where landscapes that have the biggest mountains are more prone to earthquakes.

Places like West Africa that experience next to no earthquakes are as a result of being situated away from the tectonic fault lines.
Not unless I'm missing something.

1st image: mountain ranges and elevation in the world.
2nd image: Locations of recorded earthquake in
3rd image: tectonic plate fault lines.

you are not missing much. What you brought forward is what we term ring of fire which I mentioned and our Muslim friend ignored the point. He started pouring his own thought into the verge verse of the Qur'an.

Even though mountain is part of the factors that is THEORISED as a temporary stabilising factor to the crust. This stability is not the one Qur'an meant. Qur'an meant the ground would be SHAKING if there's no mountain which our friend could not prove geologically.

Once again. The verse seems scientific but not 100%. Our friend (like other scientific miracles of the Qur'an fans) only wished the verse is correlated.

One question he could not answer is why there is much earthquake in the ring of fire that is more mountaineous than any other part of the world.