Iroroghene:


The question now is, anytime we yield to temptation without the intent of abusing the grace of God, we feel guilt and this guilt might make us think our sins cannot be forgotten, which has led many, once fervent believers to apostasy.

You claim God disciplines us anytime we sin, but do we remain saved in spite of the sin we've committed or after the disciplinary action, he restores our salvation?

Every Christian knows that God forgives all Sin and I mean All.
No Christian will stop to think that God doesn't forgive all Sin but it still didn't stop is from feeling terrible when we fo fall into Sin.

He discipline us so that the fruit of Salvation becomes evident in us once again and not to bring us back into Salvation for once we are there, there we will be forever.

Iroroghene:


1 Peter 5:8
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”

Matthew 26:41
“Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak”.

A saved believer can also fall into temptation, therefore, making him sin, not because that was his/her intention but because s/he couldn't resist the Devil.

People actually fall into sin, not with the intent of abusing the grace of God but because they yielded or were not watchful.

Of course a Christian commits Sin, falls into temptation.

Why wouldn't we, when we still have this dead carcass called the Flesh but let me tell you, a believer is always bitten by his sin and our Father in Heaven disciplines us whenever we do so.

Iroroghene:


Personally, I feel the “Once Saved, Forever Saved” doctrine gives people liberty to commit sin. Don't you think so?

That's a false thinking.
I believe a believer would never abuse the grace of God, never.

Whoever takes God's Grace as a chance to commit sin is not saved and was never saved. It's as simple as that.

Iroroghene:


By Reformed Church, do you mean churches that Preach the “Once Saved, Forever Saved” doctrine?

Yes, but not only that.

Those that believe in Calvinism, TULIP.

biggy26:

Don't be desirous of being a teacher without proper study. Go, read and understand.

I should say the same to you!!!

Besides, I'm not trying to be a teacher knowing fully well that I'm not qualified to be, I don't know everything or even much to begin with.

However, I'm trying to spread the little that I know; which is true; what's so wrong in that?

biggy26:

Don't be desirous of being a teacher without proper study. Go, read and understand.

I should say the same to you!!!

Iroroghene:


Yes, I know. If I attend church once, get born again (saved) and stop going, while having personal fellowship with Christ in my room, there wouldn't be any need to attend church then.

First off, it isn't the church that saves you, it's God.
It's also good to be in a church, that is people who are believers so that they can help point out when you are in the wrong, as well as other benefits you tend to gain.

But then it's better not to go a church where they hold on to false doctrines especially when you are just starting and don't know much.

It's best you avoid such churches so they don't inculcate wrong doctrines into you.

I don't go to church because there aren't any Reformed churches around where I reside.
But I always listen to sermons by my favourite preachers; Paul Washer, John piper, John MacArthur, Voddie Baucham; what I'd give to find a Reformed church around.

duality:



You see yourself? For you to be twisting it this way shows obvious manipulation.
The devil is really wicked.

They were all virgins! Get that fact first. Those who didn't ensure they had extra oil, missed it. In VS 8,their lamps were gone out. That they are all virgins signified that they have been washed with the blood, but were careless and foolish. Just the way you want people to be.

Careless souls, who profess salvation but have departed from the faith.

Besides, this doesn't call for silent insults.
The same way you try to defend your beliefs, that's the same way I'm trying to defend mine as well.

You don't have to insult me to prove your point.

It's funny how you profess yourself saved and can't even present your Faith nicely. Pity!!!

So much for Work based Salvation.

alBHAGDADI:


If you are not born again, you can't understand the Bible.

True, because it's the Holy Spirit that dwells in every believer who interprets the bible correctly not some shady interpretation that is seen everywhere.

duality:



You see yourself? For you to be twisting it this way shows obvious manipulation.
The devil is really wicked.

They were all virgins! Get that fact first. Those who didn't ensure they had extra oil, missed it. In VS 8,their lamps were gone out. That they are all virgins signified that they have been washed with the blood, but were careless and foolish. Just the way you want people to be.

Careless souls, who profess salvation but have departed from the faith.

Who do you think the ten virgins are?

People who are Saved?

Has it ever occurred to you that they might represent Human on Earth created by God for the sole purpose of Serving, obeying and worshipping him?
Yet some choose to be unwise and not be prepared for his return?

If you do not, do you think our works are what take us to heaven?

biggy26:

You are correct in your submission, but it's not the Holy Spirit that's in constant conflict with the flesh, but the human recreated spirit.

It's the Holy Spirit that dwells in every Believer that is in constant conflict with the flesh.

Profmaojo:
Good morning sir/ma, do you mean that you can be far room God and still attain eternal life?? Because the opposite of eternal damnation is eternal life. When one sin, you have to ask God for forgiveness but saying since you have been saved you are always save and can continue doing what you want is absurd

That’s where you guys get it all wrong, a true Christian would never love to Sin the way an unbeliever does and Yes, it feels horrible when you do!
A true Christian would never think to take advantage of God’s Grace, regardless.

There might be a point in every Christian’s life that he back slides, but oh God comes to discipline His own and put them back on the Narrow way.

The New Testament plainly states that God does judge His people, meaning that He brings loving discipline and correction, sometimes sternly. And while it is gloriously true that our sins are forgiven in Jesus, there can be still consequences to our sins in this life, just as an alcoholic forgiven for decades of drinking may still develop cirrhosis of the liver.

duality:


I didn't want to post anything until I saw your last paragraph.

Read the story of the ten virgins in Matt 25. Note, they were all virgins. But in VS 12, it was stated, I know you not.


Look, it's this your interpretation that will take you far away from God. I've addressed this issue many times. I don't have time to stress myself over false teachings of the last days, with the obvious agenda of taking away God's consciousness from the heart of many. Soon, the preachers will tell you, it's not necessary to do things that pleases God

Do these verses and the words “I don’t know you” imply anything about salvation? The answer is yes. Yes they do. They imply exclusion from salvation.

“If you treat the Lord like he’s unimportant, you won’t enter the feast. You won’t enter salvation.”

Now, let me step back and give a little reminder. This is a parable, okay? There are ten virgins in this story that Jesus made up. Ten virgins are assigned to welcome the bridegroom when he comes to the feast, to go in and enjoy the bride. So they were to welcome him when he comes.

Five virgins take this seriously and stay ready. Five are careless and don’t have what they need to be ready. At the last minute, they run away to try to do a last-ditch effort to be ready. And it fails. It’s too late.

Those who do not have what they need to be ready are not Saved, because all a true Christian needs to be ready is Salvation, Grace through Faith alone in Jesus Christ!

pressplay411:


God's will is to give you the free will to choose Him over Sin out of Love. To choose Heaven over Hell. Why will he force you to heaven by believing in Christ? What if you changed your mind that you don't want heaven and you don't want to believe anymore? Is it still your free will?

The Christian race is not all rosy, it's difficult with different temptations everywhere but God will see His children through.

Sometimes, terrible ideas can fill our head but acting on them and relying on them is where the problems arise.

pressplay411:


God's will is to give you the free will to choose Him over Sin out of Love. To choose Heaven over Hell. Why will he force you to heaven by believing in Christ? What if you changed your mind that you don't want heaven and you don't want to believe anymore? Is it still your free will?

We never choose God, he chooses Us.

Without God saving us, we'd never go to him because of how much we love the bliss the world has to offer.

shadeyinka:

I had divided the incidences into three groups
1. Where our will/Volition is involved
2. Where external but natural occurrence is involved
3. Where the will of a third party affects an individual

The Question is,
Are the occurrences all at the instance(will ) of God?
The second question was:
What then is God's will?

However do you intend to know the definition of God's Will except biblically.
If you do, enlighten me, I'd love to know more than anything.

For I know only of the Sovereign Will of God; which I talked about earlier and His Will of Command.

alBHAGDADI:


We can chat on WhatsApp.

kindly send me your number to my email seen in my signature. Please let me know when you do

Sure, I've done that.

shadeyinka:

Everything?

Who decides if you will love God or Hate Him?
Who decides if we'll say the truth or s lie?

Who decides if our car will have an accident or not?
Who decides if we'll be sick or not?

Who decides if a rapist will rape an innocent girl or not?
Who decides if the innocent girl will catch HIV or not?


I have given several DIFFERENT instances of events in a man's life, look at each in relation to Gods will and then conclude if everything is indeed predestined by God.

The question is, What really is God's will?

Choice, but still it doesn't exit the will of God.

Righteousness89:


You Right! But it's what we see today.
You see someone who claims to be Saved and yet the character and attitude speaks otherwise...

You've said it all, they are false Christians.

This is where " By their fruits you shall know them " comes into play.

alBHAGDADI:


You are beautiful.

I'll like to meet you.

It'd be a honour to meet a Christian Apologist, although that'd only be possible if you reside in Delta State.

Thank you for the flattering compliment.

Righteousness89:


Once Saved Forever Saved is a fallacy From the pit of Hell!

The Grace of GOD is not a License to Sin

A true Christian would never see it as one.
He who abuses the grace of God isn't truly saved.

shadeyinka:

1. I believe in God's foreknowledge of our actions on earth even before He created anything
2. I believe that based on Gods foreknowledge, He made provision (special grace) predestination for those He had foreknown
3. Gods predestination is NOT random else He would be unjust to condemn a person who had not yet commited sin/iniquity.

4. Apart from this aspect of predestination (which has to do with salvation) , I doubt if God predestined our lives else, we would not/can not be guilty of what we have been predestined to do.

No one ever blames a Lime/Lemon for being bitter.
But if an orange tree would produce bitter orange, we will cut it down

I guess we do have points where we disagree.

Everything that happens in our life is in accordance with the will of God although we are given free will of choice.

shadeyinka:

Of cause, a babe in Christ!

He maybe 56 years old but a toddler in Spiritual growth and strength.

You are so right, where have you been all my life?

shadeyinka:

Correct.
If anyone claims to be born again, and the Holy Spirit doesn't convict such of sin, he is probably not born again.
Even a weak Christian would not enjoy the act of sinning against Christ.

Weak, you mean babe in Christ?

Like me, I don't know it all, but the little I know, I'd try to defend it as much as I can.

shadeyinka:

Correct.
If anyone claims to be born again, and the Holy Spirit doesn't convict such of sin, he is probably not born again.
Even a weak Christian would not enjoy the act of sinning against Christ.

Weak you mean babe in Christ?
Like me, I don't know it all but I try to defend the little I know.

shadeyinka:

Correct.
If anyone claims to be born again, and the Holy Spirit doesn't convict such of sin, he is probably not born again.
Even a weak Christian would not enjoy the act of sinning against Christ.

It bites really hard, like something is stuffed down your throat.
But then, it's good to have gutsy guilt.

shadeyinka:

Perfectly said. And salvation is a pgift of God

A gift we do not deserve and never will.

He bestows it to those he deems fit. He is not unjust. He chooses those to bestow mercy and those to give justice, that's what we all deserve.

Do you believe in Predestination
Those who were chosen to be saved are elected from the foundations of the world. The Elects

shadeyinka:

Of course, while Christ died not condone sin, the bible says if anyone of us commit a sin, we have an advocate with the father.

Some people believe that their name IS NOT yet written in the book of life even though they claim to be born again. They want to be saved by their own works of righteousness

Work based salvation is the downfall of anyone who claims to be saved.
But then, a true Christian would know that.

Our works are useless, although they are evidence of true salvation.

We are saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ alone.

shadeyinka:

I couldn't believe help but laugh at your terminologies "Reformed Christian /Calvinist".

No! Not at all. I am just a simple former sinner saved by the grace of God. The life I live now, I live by Faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me!

Let me give you a link to a very old post of mine which explains this:

https://www.nairaland.com/3203455/concept-born-again-simplified


https://www.nairaland.com/3423081/real-fake-student-university-heaven

https://www.nairaland.com/3436394/how-improve-spiritual-cgpa


These are long posts but they explain the concept big salvation in a clear manner.

Shalom Sister

I understand, you don't have to be these things to be a true Christian.

You could check out these people on IG and tell me what you think of them.
Anitaogechi, gits gitua, madrob, apologia.

shadeyinka:


Mark the words "I NEVER KNEW YOU". They were never bornagain!
The name of Christ is so powerful a sinner can use it to effect.

Very Correct, if ever one loves committing sin and is never bitten by it whenever he/she does so, it means the person was never saved to begin with, because the God who saved us is faithful and powerful enough to keep us.

It doesn't mean as Christian, we don't sin for we are in this evil flesh that strives to displease God hence, we have the Holy Spirit who is always in constant conflict with the flesh.
However, the sin of a Christian doesn't lead to eternal damnation just takes us farther way from God.

shadeyinka:

I guess some Christians don't know that God will judge us Christians according to our Faithfulness!

Some will build with Gold, Silver and precious stone while some Christians will build with grass and hay. Some peoples works would be burnt as by fire. Everyone will reap what he has sowed.

God is not mocked!

Are you a Reformed Christian like I am?
Calvanist?

pressplay411:

Kindly share your scriptural reference ma.

Romans 8:39, Ephesians 1:4, Philippians 1:6.
Read these up and try to get the correct interpretation or rather you listen to either Paul Washer, Voddie Baucham, John piper, John MacArthur on this topic and more.