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hahn:
I don't believe Allah exists because it has never been seen.
All those who believe in Allah only claim it exists.
What is your proof that it exists?

Sorry, I have to ask:
Are you an atheist or agnostic?

hahn:
Do you have any proof that Allah exists?

I am asking this because there are 4,200 religions in the world and they all claim you are wrong and that Allah is not the true god

The reason you gave for asking your question is not enough reason for me to answer you. My answer will be based on too many assumptions like: I will assume the 'claim'. I will assume you believe those claims.

It will be better if the premises is what you yourself understand and can stand to defend not what thousands of others claim.

hahn:
Cool. So, he "allowed" us to sin. How did sin come about?



Actually, I am pretty ignorant about Islam but I am glad to know this about Islam's position on knowledge. I am not surprised in fact considering that Muslims were known to have made lots of achievements in astronomy and mathematics.



Then Allah creates sin too. Yes?



But why create something you know you will hate and even go on to punish people for indulging in the things you created which you hate?

Islam is practised based on what is clear and with evidence. AND one of the thing that is clear is that man will never understand everything.

Your question will lead to paradox - hanging on assumptions that are not established in Islam.
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The question about sin assumes that sin is a creation not an action.

Your last question assumes that I can answer why God does something he didn't tell us why.

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Sometimes paradox doesn't mean the two contrading things are wrong. They sometimes occur as a result of wrong assumptions or lack of complete knowledge. Eg, Two lights travelling at the speed of light will approach one another at the speed of light. This will be a paradox if you lack knowledge of the theory of relativity. Theory of relatively also causes some paradox in quantum physics (eg EPR theory).

Islam believe there is unseen and we do not have knowledge about the unseen except the one that has been revealed to us.

If you do not understand my point, perhaps, Allah will guide you to someone who will make it understandable to you.

hahn:
According to Islam, did Allah create sin/evil? If no, what is the source of sin?

The tense (create) used is wrong. Allah allowed us to sin. The reason why? Only He has the full knowledge of that.

I think you know it is Islamic that Human knowledge is limited?

hahn:
So, Allah creates everything but does not need to love them all. According to your logic, right?

Allah creates everything...... I agree with this.

Allah NEED to love everything he created: I do not have evidence for or against this.

hahn:
Honestly, it is an assumption.

I am not well versed in Quranic scriptures but I would expect an almighty god to be all loving since it created all things.

That is even why I asked,



You did not supply an answer to this though

since Allah created everything, it equates that it MUST love everything? lol, creating the rules by which Allah works right.


I didn't answer the last one because I want to us finish the one we started.

hahn:
Then that is a contradiction. That means it is not all loving

According to Islam, did Allah create sin/evil? If no, what is the source of sin?

Your first statement, what's your Islam reference that Allah is all loving?

hahn:
References?

Is Allah all loving or not? Is Allah all forgiving or not?

You are using non Islamic definitions for Allah's love and forgiveness.

Allah does not love the transgressors for example.

(All forgiving) oft forgiven : no matter the magnitude of the sin, if the sinner repents (according to how Allah states it), the sin would be forgiven.


Understanding the Attributes of Allah is part of what is taught in Tawheed in Islam. the definition you gave to Gofuurun (oft forgiven) as all forgiven is wrong islamically.

hahn:
But Allah is all forgiving, isn't it?

It is all loving, isn't it?


(1) Then it does not need any reason to love or forgive Satan especially considering that all human, plant and animal suffering will be erased.

(2) Is the fact that billions of people will not have to burn and suffer for eternity if Satan can be forgiven enough reason to do so?

If not, then it seems human suffering is Allah's will and thus Allah is most likely NOT all loving and all forgiving as we think it is.

Don't you think?

What are your references for 1 and 2.

Funny, how you set rules and want Allah to play by them.

Peace be onto you.

In Islam, some deals are already closed. For example, a Muslim can't pray not to ever die because Allah has already told us that:


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كُلُّ نَفْسٍ ذَائِقَةُ الْمَوْتِ ۗ وَإِنَّمَا تُوَفَّوْنَ أُجُورَكُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ ۖ فَمَنْ زُحْزِحَ عَنِ النَّارِ وَأُدْخِلَ الْجَنَّةَ فَقَدْ فَازَ ۗ وَمَا الْحَيَاةُ الدُّنْيَا إِلَّا مَتَاعُ الْغُرُورِ

Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception. (Q3 vs 185).

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the issue of Satan is a sealed deal because Allah says:


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لَأَمْلَأَنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنْكَ وَمِمَّنْ تَبِعَكَ مِنْهُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ

"That I will certainly fill Hell with thee (Satan) and those that follow thee,- every one."



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I know not while Allah knows best.

Biggerbangs sold Etisalat data to people on this thread:
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But, he sold the data on his sponsor wallet to more people than required. He has refused to pick calls too.


his numbers are: 0814 006 9411, 0706 946 5293, 09086459609.

He has shown himself to be a very dishonest, selfish and irresponsible man.

BiggerBangs:


Just laugh out loud and walk out of thread ,his business tho.confirm from Mrs Aisha Buhari ,"the other room" knows no decorum na

guyz beware of this guy I quoted. he sold fake Etisalat data to people on this link: www.nairaland.com/3342253/how-get-3gb-etisalat-1000

bjhaid:
bn keepin calm since yesterday afteernoon, he is not even pickin his calls, now i regret buying data from him

has he rectify your error? he hasn't rectify mine.

LordPherule:
I want to buy but the problem is you are not picking calls...

seriously, the guy is losing customer's good will. I have been trying to buy since yesterday and up till now, I am yet to receive any meaningful explanation for the delay.

sonofluc1fer:
King of Kings? Who? That dead Jew? He is not my King o. I cant worship a God killed by three nails. That's not good on a Supreme Being's CV.


Name:
YAHWEH

Post applying for:
GOD

NEXT OF KIN:
Self/Jesus

REF:
Holy Spirit/Self

Mother's Maiden name:
MARY


Why should humans worship you:
I died for their sins. Killed myself to forgive their transgressions.

Objective:
Show humans how loving I am. If they dont accept, Ill lovingly respect their choice and let them burn for eternity in My Special Unbelievers Paradise.

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Farmerforlife:
Nope, it testifies in the taurah and the injeel; described as revelations to Prophets Moses and Jesus. Which part of your 'Bible' would you describe as such please?

It is funny how they think the Qur'an is talking about 'Paul's letter to some people' as part of the Torah or Injeel.

Muslims are not that gullible to believe in junks written by unknown authors. The bible is their book and they have messed it up ( e.g is differences between RSV and KJV bibles).

They even accuse themselves of tampering o.


However, we believe that indeed revelations were given to Moses and Jesus.

Farmerforlife:
Truly an edifying comment, worthy of your wisdom. You know, I have always held that interacting with an uncouth character is futile and time-wasting. You can neither learn from him, nor teach him. And his company tends to always be execrable. Sad.

Have a good day yourself.



You are right in that bro, they never actually have anything meaningful to say. Falsehood always gives way before the truth. It always ends in lewdness, obscenity and abuse, in lieu of logical reasoning. This is because Islam is unassailable from a logical stand.

jazakumullahu khairan bro for being patient in your reply to them.

@Empiree

assalam alaykum,

References to expunged Hadith will be appreciated. A screenshot of old vs new Hadith showing missing hadith's will also be appreciated.

honestly, I don't know why people delay marriage. DAFT LADIES keep jumping from / fucking one boyfriend to another when they can easily get married and enjoy life legally.


Ladies dey suffer o.

DifferentBoy1:
Guy, Christian parts might be in a way that many Christians live there but might still be owned by Muslims.

Guy, you have no point.

Muslims misruling Nigeria and God is warning Christians with earthquakes........ and you think this points match? Guy! Guy! Guy! find another thing to talk abeg.

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Bnladan:
wa izha khaadabahumul jaahiluuna qaalu salaaama. Leave d ignorant with his belief, Allah knows better and shall foil dia evil plans.

I must confess, I feel pain in my heart as this people spew trash against Faj and Awo mosque. this is the where I learnt most of what I know about Islam. And yes. you are right........ they plan forgetting that Allah is the best planner.

Bnladan:
wa izha khaadabahumul jaahiluuna qaalu salaaama. Leave d ignorant with his belief, Allah knows better and shall foil dia evil plans.

I must confess, I feel pain in my heart as this people spew trash against Faj and Awo mosque. this is the where I learnt most of what I know about Islam. And yes. you are right........ they plan forgetting that Allah is the best planner.

Bnladan:
wa izha khaadabahumul jaahiluuna qaalu salaaama. Leave d ignorant with his belief, Allah knows better and shall foil dia evil plans.

I must confess, I feel pain in my heart as this people spew trash against Faj and Awo mosque. this is the where I learnt most of what I know about Islam. And yes. you are right........ they plan forgetting that Allah is the best planner.

YOLO1:
Na to go visit Awo Brothel mosque sure pass now

Oh our Creator, if truely we sleep with these ladies in Awo and Faj mosque, make our life miserable in this world and in the hereafter. But if these people have lied and are propagating falsehood against us and they do not publicly repent, make their life miserable in this world and the hereafter.

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَرْمُونَ الْمُحْصَنَاتِ الْغَافِلَاتِ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ لُعِنُوا فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ

Those who slander chaste women, indiscreet but believing, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter: for them is a grievous Penalty,-


wallohi, the promise of our creator is true........ Human beings forgot the will die and account for their deeds. Non Muslims and Madam DSA SHOULD FEAR THEIR LORD!

toshino4real:
Evidence

thanks for pointing my attention to that.


It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married me when I was six years old and he consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old.  We came to Madinah and stayed among Banu’l-Haarith ibn Khazraj, and I fell sick… My mother Umm Roomaan came to me when I was on a swing and some of my friends were with me. She called me loudly and I went to her, and I did not know what she wanted of me. She took me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house, as I was gasping for breath, until I had calmed down. Then she took some water and wiped my face and head with it, then she took me into the house. There were some women of the Ansaar in the house, who said: With good wishes and blessings and good luck. She handed me over to them and they adorned me, and suddenly I saw the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) at mid-morning, and they handed me over to him. At that time I was nine years old.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3894) and Muslim (1422) 



Al-Bayhaqi (1588) narrated that ash-Shaafa‘i said: The earliest age at which I heard of girls reaching puberty was the women of Tihaamah who reach puberty at the age of nine.

Kabikala:
Thanks ypeace.
I am following your responses.

In following up on your answer to Question 4, was it that Prophet Mohammed disobeyed Allah's command? Or was the commandment issued after he was already married to more than 4 wives? Or does this particular commandment exclude him?

check the ans in my response to question 4 above. I will like to completely answer a question before moving to the next. I will also like to make answers on a particular question be on the same post so that it will be easy to follow up.

****I know not and Allah knows best. Any mistake is from me while any good that comes out of my post is from Allah. I pray Allah forgives my mistake and reward me on whatever good which comes out of my post. May He make it beneficial for us. Ameen***

I will try and answer your question to the best of my knowledge, excluding sentiments and lies from my reply. I pray Allah helps me. however, I may not be able to provide answers to all your questions if I do not have sufficient reference.

Kabikala@
I stopped answering the questions after reading this:
*I will appreciate all expositions and explanations that will broaden my horizon and enrich my understanding of these issues.*
I think one question be resolved before moving to the next to avoid muddle up.

.) Is it true that Mohammed married a girl at 6 and started having sex with her at the age of 9?
yes, it is true.