udatso:

Don't mind him. Am already teaching malvisguy212 English language. I hope he joins my class too

Assalam alaikum, I saw some of your trends. They are educative. However, try as much as possible not to use derogatory remarks on non believer. It is only Allah who can direct to the right path. Ours is to tell them what is right and forbid evil so that they will not have any excuse against us on the day of Judgement. May Allah guide us right.

malvisguy212:
I don't think you know what you are talking about, when they say, the gospel according to mark ,matthew ,john and luke. It mean this people wrote this gospel, and are eye witness. The Gospel according to the quran, it doesn't make sense, or is the quran human ?

So what allah is asking muhammad to confirm is corrupted ?

Oh! I now understand you.
What I meant by 'Gospel, according to the Qur'an, was bestowed on Jesus' is that Qur'an explains that Gospel is the word of God put in Jesus' mouth. What you call the Gospel contains a third party speaking in them.
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Wrong, what Muhammad was requested to asked the Christians and Jews is about the story which was revealed to him.
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malvisguy212:
I don't think you know what you are talking about, when they say, the gospel according to mark ,matthew ,john and luke. It mean this people wrote this gospel, and are eye witness. The Gospel according to the quran, it doesn't make sense, or is the quran human ?

So what allah is asking muhammad to confirm is corrupted ?

Oh! I now understand you.
What I meant by 'Gospel, according to the Qur'an, was bestowed on Jesus' is that Qur'an explains that Gospel is the word of God put in Jesus' mouth. What you call the Gospel contains a third party speaking in them.

analice107:

Run away. It's obvious you know what a liar Muhammed is, but you can't help yourself.
You weren't busy when you came here spewing trash thinking no one have an idea of what you are saying. Let me ever see you here again.

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Muhammad is not a liar. He is a Prophet of Allah.
My first post stated why a muslim and non believer will not agree with the interpretation of the op. If my posts are trash to you, then that's your problem.
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and if you ever see me, you can't do me any evil or good.

analice107:

Pls don't bother about my state of mind. Muslims are known world wide for their insults when it comes to discussions, so your insults do not shake me up.
Now, pls be patient with this ignoramus and try putting some sense into her. Pls help me understand.
Now, answer the questions. I need to learn English language from you. Come down to my level and speak the language in a manner I can understand. So, again, answer the questions.

Except if you can pay me, i can't leave my Job to teach you English. Rather, ask any one if the statement mean what you interpreted it as. The English is as simple as I can make it. I don't know how I can make it simpler for you.

malvisguy212:
the gospel according to the quran ? Confused muslim, so the quran wrote the gospel ? If the Gospel was given to jesus, were is it ? How comes all copies vanish without anyone having the original copy ? Why will allah be so weak to allow men change his word ?

The Gospel according to the Qur'an. Yes, what is wrong with the statement? And how exactly does the statement mean that the Qur'an wrote the Bible?
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Where is the Gospel? Lol. That was exactly why I told the other guy he didnt understand my previous post. In case you didn't see my previous post, let me answer you.
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1. Muslim did not believe in the Gospel because we have seen it just like we believe Angels exist.
2. If a man comes and says he is an Angel, and he doesn't have the Qualities of an Angel we believed in, then we will quickly discard that man's claim. This is similar to why we muslims do not accept the Bible as the Gospel because we know the Qur'an clearly stated what the qualities of the Gospel which the bible failed to meet.
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The Gospel was given to Jesus truely, just like the law was Given to Moses. God would have preserved it for us if we need it. He would have preserved Moses for Jesus' deciples if they need them. But Jesus, a better man than Moses came to them, they dont need Moses but they believed in Moses. We muslims have the Qur'an which is better than Gospel, so we don't need the Gospel.
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Your last Question should be directed towards Allah not me. Only him knows why he chose to do what he does.

[quote author=analice107 post=45173308][/quote]
There is a difference between someone who is asking question in order to know and someone who wants to debate. If you are looking for someone to debate with, I am not the one because debate on this forum is a waste of time.

analice107:

This guy is lost. You believe in something you can't even defend. You made assertions and based on them, I raised questions, yet you are applying dodging tactics?

Dodging tactics? Call it whatever you like. Check my very first post on this trend. Your question is not the problem but your comment. You asked some questions and you answered them yourself. It will be as if I am trying to fill and already filled cup if I should answer you.
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analice107:

Yea, I indeed understood it. Pls answer the questions I asked there. Don't run away with that lame excuse.

Your question are more of rhetorics than a normal question.
I am not here to argue with you. If you are satisfied with your self proclaimed victory, then,good luck.

analice107:

The gospel according to Koran? Hahahahahahahaha. This is new. The gospel according to Koran. So Koran wrote a gospel? I can't believe this.
Guy you really need Alisina to help reset your brain. Wonderful!!!!!.

lol. Please invite someone who is very good and respected in using English on Nairanland here to intepret my post for you.
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I guess that was the problem you had with my previous post.
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I don't mean to insult you, but I don't think you understand English. I am challenging you to call in anybody who is good in English to prove this wrong.
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I can translate my post to Yoruba if you understand yoruba.

BreketeMind:
If only most muslims have ur point of view. i can't understand why most muslims are not only getting d qur'an wrong but are going d DIRECT OPPOSITE way. Why should a religion of peace have so much reputation 4 war? Don't u think there is something responsible 4 dis within Islam itself?

Some use their knowledge of science to destroy. Some use it to make life better. Does is mean there is something responsible for that within science?
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That we will have tyrants to rule us in Islam is a saying of the prophet. Also, it is stated in the hadith that in this time (last hour), ignorance will rule.
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It is not a surprise to me as a muslim, because these are signs of last hour stated by the prophet. He already told us what to do during this hour in his Hadith.
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But also, non muslims do mix things up. For example, when Russia invaded Ukraine, no body called it an act of terrorism but Pakistans are terrorist for defending their country. Bush destroyed a country trying to look for an invisible weapon of mass destruction. Non muslim sees the country as a terrorist country, bush as an hero.
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I am not denying the fact that we have tyrants among us, but the definition of terrorism as defined by non muslim is bias (in my own view).
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I hope your question was answered.

whemmytopsy:

may Allah s.w.t. increase you in knowledge and piety. amin. I really love ur reply.

amin. Jazakumullahu Khairan

Nsonaso:

That is old Acer bro. New Acer has positive reviews you can check it there on Amazon.

I myself, am getting Acer (Aspire V15 V3-575T -7008) by the grace of God it will land next week.

I've been using HP since my life, the last one that just broke hinges Pavilion DM4 3055dx. Time to try something different.
I made a very serious research before choosing this Acer.

The lenovo I wanted to buy, I saw many bad negative reviews and is a little bit expensive.

The HP that trip me is Spectre X360 but I don't have the cash now as am still a student.

You requested for a laptop with Nvidia Graphics. Apple doesn't use Nvidia they use Intel Irish Graphics and Apple products are quite expensive.

Used Apple Macbook Pro with lower spec will buy you brand new HP Spectre x360.

I thought I was bothering you with too much request but you replied so friendly and maturely.
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I haven't read the review of those Acer yet, I will read them. I will also check the HP spectre you mentioned. Thanks. You have been helpfull.

BreketeMind:
D way u jump to conclusion just to win argument? Well, i'm not speaking for any religion whatsoever. My concern here is truth & not religion. So back to our discussion: u quoted a quranic page enjoining peace whereas muslims are more known for conflict than for peace. & u quoted a bible passage inspiring muslims to violence. The TRUTH is that d accepted scripture for muslims is d Holy Qur'an & not d Holy Bible. So, where so many muslims allow themselves to be inspired by unaccepted scripture instead of d accepted one, dis clear divergence between theory & practice, is surely a case of gross hypocrisy on d part of our muslims. if u don't think so, tell me how & why.

One muslim will not account for the deed of another Muslim. Why other people who call themselves muslim kill is not a question for a muslim who consider it haram.
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I do not intend to answer the question for the muslim you asked. I noticed that the basis of the question is similar to asking a law abiding citizen of Nigeria why another Nigerian steals. The person who comits the offense should ans why not the person who also sees it as bad.

Nsonaso:

Both of them are new. On amazon.com

yes, they are new. But I have heard bad news about Acer. If by chance you come across Hp, Lenovo, Asus, Dell or Apple(by miracle), kindly, tell me before I order for this Acer. Thanks so much for your kindness.

Nsonaso:

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thanks so much. But please, help me with the links to the ones that are new.

Nsonaso:
Sorry for my late end time reply. Have you gotten?

Thanks for replying. I have not gotten.

analice107:

Was the gospel bestowed on Jesus? The Bible say Jesus wrote any gospel? This guy nah, na waoo. How can a seemingly intelligent person become this dumb?

The Gospel, according to the Qur'an, was bestowed on Jesus. I don't have any business if the Bible says Jesus wrote Gospel or not.
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analice107:

I have a little problem here. Plse help me out with some of these questions.
1. Is it the Koran or not which claims the injeel is corrupt?
2. If Muhammed who wrote the Koran all by himself said the Bible was corrupted.
Did he mean the Bible was already corrupted as when he was alive then, or now due to the numerous translations?

3. It the Bible was corrupted then, how many translation were there then?

4. If he claimed the Bible got corrupted, shouldn't reason tell you that, he most have the original copy to prove that point to at least one of his followers, did any Muslim saw this original Bible?

5. Wait, you just said, the Muslims believed that the bible or injeel is fake because the Koran and hadith says it, not becos they have seen the original. My God!!!!. Not Muhammed, not even one single Muslim saw the original copy, yet every Muslim believe this lie?
Something is wrong with Islam.

So everything Muhammed says is true?
How can you for sure know if Muhammed lied?
It is not enough to say the Bible is fake when you yourself have not seen the original copy, we need prove or pls keep it.

I want to understand why it's a wrong perception to ask for the original copy of injeel.

Is this book (injeel) invisible?
because you mention Or likened injeel to Angels. Angels are invisible except when they want to manifest in the flesh. This is the first time am hearing that a book is invincible. How is that?
Now, this injeel, when allahh gave it to Jesus, was it for Jesus to use just for himself or did he pass it down to his followers to he used as a guide? At what point did the followers corrupted it?
If muslims are the real followers of Jesus, how do they do it without being guided by the Injeel given to Jesus by allahh?
Pls when you make assertions, pls think.

I don't think you understood my previous post at all. May be you should read it again

analice107:

You are saying that according to the Koran, Christians are those who blaspheme? What do they blaspheme? Except of course you are saying that Christians blaspheme against Christ?
What brought the Jehovah's Witness into this discussion? When the Koran was written there was no JW, so stick to the point.
I get one thing here straight, the Muslims have been programmed to believe only what the Koran says, then they should also believe what it says about Christians and Jews and their Book. But no, muslims can't bring themselves to believe it, they have to twist it out and give it another interpretation, just like the one you are giving right now. You are trying to say, Christians according your interpretation of that Koranic verse are not the believers but blasphemers.

At the point when that verse was written, were the Christians in Mecca knew exactly what Muhammed intended? Were they believers or blasphemers of the Koran?
You are making it seem like, the information the Christians of today have, was the same information the Christians then had about Islam. Muhammed presented himself to them as a prophet, they only rejected them because their scripture never prophesied anything about Muhammed of Arabia coming as a prophet, will you term that as blasphemy?
Now, if Christians both then and now, are not Christ followers but blasphemers, who then is the Koran referring in that verse as those Christians who are superior till judgement?
If you say the Koran is referring to muslims as the true followers of Christ,
Can it then mean that, muslims can be muslims and Christians at the same time? because that verse specifically mentioned Christians.

I don't know why you quoted me. Because after each question, you provided your answers to it.

analice107:

Really? Muhammed of Arabia was indeed an interesting man. So of all the Christian world, only two persons passed his test to be Christians indeed. The king of Abyssinia and Waraga Bin Nawal.
I won't talk about that King of Abyssinia for now.

So this king and Waraga were indeed the only approved Christians? could it be because Waraga mixed his Christianity with Arabic religious/superstitious beliefs? And becos he happened to be Muhammed's tutor?
Without Waraga, Muhammed wouldn't have been able to plagiarize the Bible. Waraqa at the time of Muhammed had translated the new testament Bible to the Arabic language, so new about Christianity well.
When Muhammed married Kadijat he didn't know allahh, as a supreme being. Allahh was one of the Arabian 360 gods in the Ka'aba. When Muhammed couldn't take the torment from the demon anymore, Kadijat took him to see Waraga who doubled as a Soothsayer to consult and find out if Muhammed was possessed by a demon. (Remember there was no Islam as a religion then). Waraga the acclaimed christian swore by Allah, that the entity tormenting Muhammed was Angel Gabriel.
This is the man Muhammed approved to fit the description of the world's only christian? A Soothsayer. And why not?

Examples of fruits are mango and pineapple. Does that mean that mango and pineaple are the only fruits?

Clearly, it shows you read my post just to argue with me.

Well, provide your reference to the story you told us about Waraqa and the Prophet.

solaceTK:

My phone numbers are always availabe 24/7. And sorry the laptop is sold already, the one available now is 1gb dedicated

1gb won't do the work. Thanks.

solaceTK:


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BetaTechnicians:

Hp elitebook 8460p
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Help me with a new or very clean laptop which has at least 2gb nvidia dedicated ram please.

Salimmuhammad:
Op u have to reduce that price oh...caus my cousin bought the core i5 with 2gb nvidia graphics for 75k..

Where did he get that? Please I am in need of a system with nvidia.

mikkyangel:


What type do u need? I have lots of core i5 arriving my adress next week....all with huge memory and hard drives

Do you have any with nvidia dedicated ram below 140k?

I think my Muslim brothers made the prove difficult for their Christians counterparts to comprehend.


Christians claim:
1.Qur'an claim that Samaritan exist before Moses
2. Samaritan lived in Samaria as stated in the Bible.
3. Qur'an is wrong.

Muslim's claim.
1. Samaritan exist before Moses.
2. Samaritans do not live in Samaria as stated in the Bible.
3. Qur'an is right.

Non religious source. (History)
1. Samaritans claim that they do not live in the bible's Samaria.
2. Samaritan claim they exist before the time of moses.
3. Samaritans has nothing to do with the people who lived in Samaria.

Deductions:

If the Christians assersion were to be true, then Samaritan started their existence when Samaria was formed. Evidence from both Samaria and Samaritan proved this wrong.

Conclusion:
The problem is that Bible got history wrong by stating that Samaritans lived in Samaria.



To prove the conclusion wrong, Christians should bring the claim that Samaritan started being Samaritan when Samaria was formed. This prove should be from a reliable history source outsider the Bible.

Of course enough non Islamic reference are on the trend to push history in favour of the Quran.

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Olabestonic001:


You're partly right there.
Though in all honesty I detest that thing called gender equality in Western worlds. While it helped in resources aggrandizement as you said, it failed woeful in moral aggrandizement. Forget, humanity without morals is a curse. The fact that the West is doing well economically does not mean their family structure is worth emulating. South Korea had it's model that caters for its development.
I just hope we Nigerians will look past these Western World's and channel our own course. While growing up, my dad (though the provider of all at home) took care of us all as much as mum would. This helped mum to grow to her full potentials as a woman and I learnt therein then that it's not always all this "We are equal" mantra feminists brandies about but rather a society where we are all fair to all.
What stops that man from changing the kids diapers and helping out in the kitchen when the wife is indisposed? What stops a man from being submissive at work to his female superiors? What stops the woman from helping out financially when "our daddy" is financially down? What stops the man willing some of his properties to his daughter? What stops the woman from having same assets as the man?
Sir, all these can never be gotten by some bandied legal bills but by having True men.
True men knows that their purpose on earth is essentially to coordinate every form of resources and not to dominate.
What I've seen in Western world is a destruction of male dominance to install a female dominance. Rather, we should put to men that their so-called "edge" they shout about in Life is never to dominate but to liberate and coordinate.

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Wow, good points.

naijamakossa:
you are not a religious and wat u doin in religion section

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I never stated that I am not a RELIGIOUS, I stated that I am not a RELIGION. I came to religion section to read and comment on some of the things that are there.

naijamakossa:
which religion are u?

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I am not a religion.

rawgame:


quran(10:94)

So if you (O Muhammad SAW) are in
doubt then ask those who
are reading the Book [the Taurat (Torah) and the
Injeel (Gospel)] before you. Verily, the truth has
come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who
doubt (it).

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It is quite hillarios how Christians quotes the Qur'an. Any sane person who reads that part of the Qur'an will know that God asked him to ask the Christians about the story of Moses he revealed some few verses prior to that.

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Also, please, which of the English translations put Torah and injeel in the bracket?