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Paraman:
Lol, Ikwerre no b Igbo

Lol. Ikwerre na Yoruba 😂 😂 😂 😂

Ofodirinwa:
They're included.
If they are saying they are not Igbo and their environs and mentality and mannerisms are the same then they're I'm ready to believe them.
Europeans can write their own, me I will write my own.

I can isolate Idemili for 50 years, they will never relax

Ok. You can believe what you choose to believe and can write whatever you want to write. Ndigbo will continue to move forward though.
A man that lacks foresight is heading for doom. Adaptability is the best strategy for survival.
Atuolu omalu, o malu.

Oganigwe:
That name "Abai" never heard of it before. Which tribe is the name indigenous to in Nigeria?

Either Yoruba(Ondo and Lagos) or Akwa Ibom.

Ofodirinwa:
everything you have said is sharp. But there are holes in your reasoning. I will start with the minority bug. You are correct to an extent. But now, as an Igbo man (which I believe you are), can an hausa person come to your town and tell you you're not Igbo and you then say 'ok'?
The reason Igbos can't accept the minority bug is because igbo culture conditions you to see yourself as equal to everyone in the world. This means whatever is being achieved in Japan, you also believe you can achieve it. For this reason, both feeling small and denying being IGbo are impossible.

But what if an hausa person came and told ikwerre they're a minority and they said 'ok'. Different cultural orientation.
There are old structures in the South east, but young people are not building them. In Ikwerre, people are either living in the grandfather's home, or are not interested in building anything at all unless it's in PH town. This is a similar cultural pattern to others who are not Igbo like Ogoni, Ijaw, Edo etc. Even now, as an Igbo man, you are seeing that there is an advantage in Ikwerre and Igbo being connected for both sides. Ikwerres tap into a massive enterprising majority group. I'm not sure what Igbos gain, I can say access to the see but we already have it, and the Rivers coast is Ogoni, Bonny and Ijaw anyways. But as you're seeing these advantages, Ikwerre are not.

Obigbo (Oyigbo) see them. If you go to Obigbo you will see settlements that look like normal parts of Imo or Abia. If you go to Ikwerre the shift happens.

Even as a normal Igbo man, if someone from your own town declared you people were vassals of Bini people, wouldn't there be a natural shame that comes with it? So what happens when you encounter people who don't reason the situation the same and are ALSO telling you they are not igbo. And one of the most crucial aspects of what makes a person Igbo culturally, which is out relationship to our village, is not shared.

MAYBE they are a people like Ogoni who happened to choose Igbo as their language. This is not a case of developmental stage. There is developmental state and there is developmental orientation. stages can differ within a culture but your fundamental idea of what development is, is cultural and Ikwerre do not share the Igbo mind vision or spirit about it.

Why are you limiting your comments to Ikwerre alone? Why didn't you also add Etche, Ogba, Ndoni and Ekpeye people? All of them have similar developmental state and orientation. Those of them doing well concentrate their buildings in Port Harcourt neglecting their own home towns and villages. Keeping themselves away from other Igbos have left them laid back exactly how our enemies had wanted them to be. It's easy to blame them when you don't put a lot of things into consideration especially what they faced when they were placed under a government that wanted to take over their ancestral lands immediately after the civil war.
I'll not say a lot of things here. Just know that the developmental journey of a people can impact their orientation over time. Leave our Ikwerre people alone. If you can't join the unity process that's going on at the moment, just stay one corner and do your thing. Europeans who came hundreds of years ago wrote what they saw. It was the same during colonial days and remains the same today. Whatever happened shortly before the uncivilized war and thereafter that created confusion and denial is gradually being dismantled today. This should be the focus today and not some architectural orientation comparison.

dealslip:
I didn't read whatever you wrote up there but know that justifying the ill treatment of three year old makes you evil and extremely wicked and a child abuser. See the mother's complaint. The teacher has damaged the boy's ears but you think the teacher was only helping the boy. Satan begone

It isn't my fault that in your emotional roller-coaster, you failed to realize that I didn't justify the teacher's wrongdoing by any means.
Here are latest facts that I've got from the boy's mother.
1. She's a co-worker with the same teacher of her boy within the same school premises.
2. This isn't the first time the teacher had hit the boy like that with other adults seeing it but no one confronting her. The boy's mother had only heard about her boy being hit but didn't take it seriously until a video was recorded to show her.
3. The school itself has serious issues. The management has poor relations with their staffs which has created a toxic environment. Other teachers (adults) saw that bad treatment and couldn't confront the teacher or report her to the school management. Something isn't right with the school.
4. The teacher is a habitual hitter who didn't know she was hurting the kid unfortunately. She had become desensitized by the silence of everyone around her. In my eyes, her only window of escape is that she appeared to be doing that without malice. The environment was an open one and his mother was a co-worker and readily available. She couldn't afford to do something she considered malicious in the open.
5. The boy is the biggest loser in all. His hearing has been negatively impacted from an unlikely quarter; someone who didn't think she was hurting him. He was failed by his teacher, the other adults around who didn't intervene, the school management and of all persons, his mother. I truly feel for him. He's just like the multitude of good people from all ethnic groups trapped inside Nigeria. Failed by all the sectors meant to protect and assist them.

My verdict on the issue after the latest information remains the same for the teacher. A sack will suffice followed by a reorientation on how to handle kids should be given to her.

The school management should be investigated on how they treat and relate to their staffs. The relationship would have been very terrible to warrant both the other staffs and the boy's mother avoiding to report to the management. This led to them being totally unaware of the teacher's innocent wrongdoing and putting a stop to it earlier.
The boys mother may likely lose her job from the school should the above be done. This means the government should get her another job where she won't feel victimized.

This is how I analyze and judge things. I'm not moved by sentiments. Once your actions can be traced to have come from a place of malice or bad intention, you should suffer for it.

Finally, for coming at me, I'll have to come at you too. To hell with you, you daughter of Jezebel.

Ofodirinwa:
This december we saw hundreds of drone shots of igbo villages.
I am here to categorically say if your village does not look like an Igbo village, your people are probably not Igbo.

There is a debate about Ikwerre and other groups being Igbo. I used to believe they were Igbo until I realized what their rural communities looked like.

The reason this is a good testing method is because I know what Igbo culture, spirit and psychology does to a young man and how it is impossible to live and die without making an imprint on your community as a minimum. This is primarily done through building a great home. I also know that this same spirit ina community will assure that, at least, 25-30% of young men will be rich by the time they pass.

But I see Ikwerre communities are still in 1912. Meanwhile most of Anioma and Ika look like most of Imo, Anambra, Abia, Enugu, Ebonyi etc.
So it is obvious to me that there is a difference. In the Igbo communities, nobody is forcing or instructing these young men to build what they are building. The generation after them are even thinking of ways to out build the previous generation. If you go to Ijaw villages, Ikwerre villages, Edo villages in 2000. Come back in 2024 and nothing has changed. Just bungalows and dirt road.

This is not to say that there is no poverty in Igboland, but within that poor family, every 1 years a member escapes poverty. So there will be physical evidence of this.

I don't believe in claiming the unclaimable. If you are Igbo, it will show. Going forward, Igbo villages are the ones that look like the one below.

You're definitely an ignorant person which is one big problem when it comes to speaking about people's identity. Your observation might be right but you hypothesis and conclusion is totally flawed. I'll challenge you on few things with regards to this topic.
1. Have you travelled round all Igbo communities to confirm if they all have similar taste for architectural advancement? I can bet you have not.
2. Are there still Igbo communities even in the SE with mostly pre 1960 styled buildings? Yes, there are a couple of them.
3. Does it mean that those communities aren't Igbo people? Certainly not.

This shows that your poor yardstick for assessment is flawed and at worst an insult. I appeal to you stop forthwith in this misguided path and allow us forge ahead as a people who have had a difficult history because of our identity.
This isn't the time for stupid comparison that bothers on ancestry. Our language, culture and traditions have already shown our identity. Factors over time can impact a section of people that can lead to their decline or rapid advancement. Only a careful observant mind can see the actual problem and not just their differences to use for comparison.
My answer as to why some Igbo communities especially those outside the South East don't build mansions back in their villages is this.
1. Most of them fell for the plot of the enemies of Ndigbo who wanted the entire Igboland to be laid back and less ambitious. When they accepted the Igbo denial stuff, they fell fully into the trap. All what mattered to them became to deny being Igbo. Nothing else matters. Even if others are stealing the resources in their land, they dare not talk. At best, they will ask for settlement and go back to their laid back lifestyle. We all know Igbos are very critical people. This part of them only comes out when you tell them they're Igbo. Thus, their communities didn't witness much development. It is very sad. This isn't limited to Ikwerres alone but the entire indigenous Igbo communities of Rivers state. Have you being to Omoku? This town is suppose to be the second most developed town in Rivers but we see the same problem. What about Ndoni(Peter Odili's home town)? It was even Wike that built a befitting house for him. Is he also not Igbo?

2. I'll call it the minority bug. This is the bug that naturally makes a people laid back because they see themselves as being a smaller people. It is what Buhari and his minions have been trying to do to the SE by calling us 'dot in a circle' and '5 plots of land'. They're trying to sow it into the minds of our people. Unfortunately for them, we saw through it and beat them back. Our brothers from Anioma also saw it at stepped up to challenge and counter it. They started to realize the danger that we all will be if we didn't counter that narrative. Today, our Rivers brothers are coming out in droves to also counter it because it has dawned on them the danger it portends for all. The day our cousins in other SS states will realize this too, they will wake up and join us to fight for our land, resources and rights. Our collective enemies have been profiting for too long from our in fighting. All our resources have gone to outsiders including all the lucrative jobs in multinational companies. The headquarters of those companies are all outside our regions and pay their taxes there.
3. Detachment from your brothers that have the comparative advantage in businesses. The more detached Igbo groups are detached from those already ahead, the lesser the opportunity they have to improve. Iron sharpens iron. Our Anioma brothers saw this on time and came closer and today, we all can see the improvements in their communities. Now that our Rivers brothers are coming closer, you will see the difference in no distant time. Igbo nation is a great one because we have too much human resource and you'll be motivated by your brothers when you walk with them. Our cousins who walk with us always have a testament to that. Dr. Apoki is one of such people. You can check his videos on YouTube. There are thousands like him who have testimonies for associating with Ndigbo.

All Igbo speaking communities are Igbo people irrespective of their different developmental stages. Factors abound that led to the different stages but together, we can help one another to build a great and well developed Igboland.

Nigeria will divide in less than 9years from now. We are just wasting time, human lives and resources forcing what was never meant to be.

richie240:
You are simply projecting your bias, which was pretty obvious.
You were the first to link her crime to tribe.
What every normal human being saw was a criminal but it was only you that linked her offence to tribe.

I wonder how the seeking the conviction of a criminal has to do with 'tribal prejudice'.
Go back to page one and scroll again: before your comment, no one linked her crime to her tribe, but you were the first to awaken the tribal angle.

So if any of your kinsmen commit an offence, it amounts to (to borrow ur exact words) tribal prejudice if anyone seeks for justice??

vvvvv



So if she's convicted and sent to prison, that amounts to 'tribal prejudice' they??

Ndi-'nigerians' sef!




My bloda u sef see am??
#victim mentality!

Of course, only a sentimental judgement will judge will send a tutor to prison for what I saw in that video. No need responding to you again on this issue. My assessment of you was spot on.
Bye.

mysticwarrior:
There had been crime in heaven. Lucifer and one third of the angels in heaven plotted and staged a rebelious campaign. That is high treason bro and it's one of the highest crime.

Lucifer was eventually casted down on earth and he fell right inside Nigeria. Some people in Nigeria claimed their ancestor fell from heaven down to earth. You can connect the dots.

richie240:
It's not today una craze start!
See all d turenchi u blow just to justify what every tom, dick and harry saw with their own eyes.

These are the small_small biases ppl dey see wey nor make them to trust una.

From your first alone, one can tell of your bias. Who is 'una'? It was exactly for people like you that I wrote my first comment. You and the OP of this thread are chips of the same block.

richie240:
Your first paragraph has exposed your bias.
Just tell us una usual mantra: she's being victimized bcus she's ****" and let us hear word Biko!

It isn't my fault that you have comprehension problem.

ChiefOkporghe:
Please, let the person I quoted respond to me.
You should have also quoted him to take his assertions to another thread.

People speak Hausa in the North and also Hausa names but they are not all Hausa.

Is his assertion applicable to every scenario? That's what I want him to answer.
Nothing concerns me with who is what tribe or whatever.... I just want to know if his assertion is a universal rule.

Ok. Wait for him to respond to your specific question. As for me, I'll only respond to it in another thread specifically dedicated for it.

ChiefOkporghe:
I am asking based on what was written by the person I quoted.

Open another thread and invite him there. This one is for is for appreciating the new leader.
Thanks.

ChiefOkporghe:
So.... What about the Itsekiris?

Open a thread about Itsekiri and we can discuss them there. This thread is meant to congratulate the new Ohaneze president only.

zed7:
Lol. Ikwerres say they are not Igbos but from Benin.

Basically, it means the bins are the leaders of the igbos now or what?

The binis are the leaders of the yorubas, and now the igbos. Oba gha tor kpe he.

😂😂😂😂
Oba ga tor n'ikpere ya... iseee.

TimeManager:
His mother is Igbo. His election doesn't affect full blooded Ikwerre people.


-Kiss the truth!

What about his father?
There's no melesin for heart attack o.

gidgiddy:
It may not be that straightforward. The State of origin is usually where your father hails from, not your mother

When Gowon was creating Rivers State, he chopped off some Igbo communities such as Etche, Egbema, Obigbo and added them to Rivers State

In the case of Egbema, Gowon carved amost half of Egbema into Rivers State, Ogba/Egbema/Ndoni LGA. While the other half Egbema is now in Ohaji/Egbema LGA in Imo. Some people believe that Okiro's father is from Egbema Imo, while his mother is from Egbema Rivers. People believe Okiro claimed his mothers part of Egbema

If true, I'm not sure if this makes him qualified, although he has every right to claim his mother's side

You may have to review this post to reflect the correct information about Egbema communities in Rivers state.
https://www.nairaland.com/7685500/knowing-egbema-nation

SonofIssachar:
I don't think you understand the gravity of what you're saying. Her being calm simply means that's how she has been treating the other children all this while and it has become a part of her dead conscience. That woman is mentally unstable and unfit to handle children. It the ego of your tribe that can make you believe this animalistic behavior is normal

It's your sentimentality that has given you colour blindness. It isn't my fault if you fail to distinguish between a bad practice and an abnormal one. A bad practice maybe be prevalent even in an advance or average society but an abnormal practice/behaviour can only be prevalent in a sick society. Tutors hitting pupils in the course of one on one teaching bad as it may is still prevalent in the Nigerian society of today. The extent/force of the hitting is what people can debate about as acceptable or not.
If she had a malicious intent, at least she wouldn't have done that in the presence of other adults in the same room with her. One adult next to her appeared totally unperturbed while the one recording didn't even make an effort to stop her.
NORMAL human beings would have attempted to stop her or intervene if what she was doing was ABNORMAL. Clearly, those other adults weren't incapable to intervene.
Just common sense.

dealslip:
Stop deceiving yourself, you need to see a psychiatrist. How do you justify hitting a three year old repeatedly in the face? Claiming she had no malicious intent. You are evil personified. Wicked to the cure. Wicked, evil and Satanic soul.

You're demonic with a brigade of demons inhabiting your cursed soul. You deserve to be chained on both your arms and legs before you're hanged upside down.
Did I justify her bad actions? Show just one post where I justified it. I already sensed the direction the narrative will be headed once sentimentality is allowed to take the front burner.
What I saw in that video bad as it may isn't rare in Nigeria. I want you to swear against this assertion.
If you're observant enough, you'd have noticed I've avoided specifying some form of child abuse to any ethnic group. It was deliberate so the focus can stay on this particular case and it be treated accordingly without giving a disproportionate penalty.
If you may;
Let's visit the roadside mechanic workshops and record how those master technicians treat(beat up with scars on their bodies) their underaged apprentices.
Let's visit homes and see how toddlers are almost suffocated just to get them to feed on non-nutritious pap.
Should I continue?
Thunder fire you there.

3seriez:
On point. Growing up I think we received worse than this but the world has gone soft these days. Not justifying her actions tho.
Still she should be warned and this should not be an overkill as you mentioned, probably this is her own understanding of making the kid learn which is getting kinda outdated.

Well written.
Personally, I never approved high handedness even back in the days. If the video had shown the lady shouting and cursing whilst hitting him, I'll even support hanging her. Teaching isn't by force.
My position on the issue is that she remained calm and focused on the teaching even after hitting him. By my judgement, she was focused on her task although hitting him that much is condemnable and unacceptable. Irrespective of wherever she came from, my judgement will remain the same either way. Her penalty shouldn't be an overkill from what I saw in the video.

dealslip:
You that don't see anything wrong in what she did and felt she was only helping a three year old by hitting him on the face several times. I repeat you are very very sick and evil. You are a depraved human who will abuse children. I suspect that's your Mum

You have cognitive dissonance which isn't my fault. The money your parents paid for your education is a waste. Finally, your lunacy is incurable.

Wizpa:
You are one of the problems Africa has

You're one of the major problems of the world ahead of Kim Jong Un, Bola Tinubu and Bello Turji.

one4GOD:
you are due for another dose of your medication so go take it

You're on overdosed colos. I hope you're in your residence now. Else, na gutter them go pick you tomorrow morning.

triplechoice:
The teacher hit the 3 year old pupil because she obviously lost control of the situation and didn't know how to handle it.


She lacks the temperament ,experience,and ,I also think, the requisite training to handle children of that age.


If she's allowed to continue and not stopped she would do alot of damage to the brains of
those under her care .

Children don't only learn from what you tell them,but also from how you treat them and behave in their presence.

Teaching small children requires extreme patience,if not, you make it difficult for them to learn anything from you .

The teacher did the wrong thing , and so please, don't support her in anyway .

I never supported her in any way. Reread my comments again. She definitely needs to be reprimanded but calling for her head is an overkill.

7upnigeria:
She was too hard on that child but its not a tribal issue. So many teachers still do that in Nigeria.

Yes, she was too hard on him which is totally condemnable. It isn't a tribal issue either if we want to be sincere with ourselves because we know things like these are rampart in Nigeria. However, the current atmosphere in Nigeria requires one not to be unconscious of certain narratives.
What I saw in this video will still happen in other parts of Lagos tomorrow, next week, down through the months and years. It will only raise dust when those who shouldn't breathe are involved in it. See what is happening to a gubernatorial aspirant in Oyo. What was his crime? The same factor.

Ashawoman82:
u will never die well for making that callous comment idiot.. Wicked man.

You'll die in your ashawo kurukere movement. Madman.

StoneLucifer:
May your child if u have any of that age receive these heavy slaps from his/her teacher in school and then see how it feels. I guess u will go and praise the teacher for a good discipline on ur child, Onukwu!!

Onukwu, stop being emotional and read my comments again. I did condemn the teacher's heavy handedness. I won't tolerate such for my child but won't be mad at the teacher. Her intent from the video didn't appear malicious.

Praktikals1000:
You should be ashamed of yourself. Just look at how you are trying hard to justify nonsense.

Your problem is that you're just too emotional. Go and reread what I wrote again. I didn't justify her action in any way. I CONDEMNED IT entirely. My main focus is on how she should be disciplined. From the video I saw here, my judgement was that there wasn't any malicious intent from her to harm the child. She continued teaching the child and didn't show extreme signs of frustration. These are things to consider when judging her.

Ashawoman82:
are u OK, are u sure u watched the video.. Infact you are very very stupid for this comment.. Are u sick?,

You're a big fool... a useless ashawoman.

Najdorf:
You are clearly a deranged human being. Mad people like you should never walk the streets freely

Your medulla oblongata is sour and as such, your judgement is impaired. You should chained both hands and legs and tossed into sewage from Makoko.

dealslip:
You are sick.

You're demented.

budaatum:
Yujin, this is not how a good teacher helps your child learn. And claiming a child who's face you can not even see, is not injured or crying is disingenuous. You know very well that if you receive just one of the slaps that child received, there'd certainly be tears in your eyes, how much less or more a child of that age!

Please, if you want one on one tutoring for you child, get a kind and considerate person who will not emotionally damage your child for life. The person in that video should not be teaching at all.

It's easy to judge another person when you're not in their shoes. I believe the teacher must have had her record in the school. If it says she's a habitual brute, then it can be concluded that she isn't fit for the job but if not, then she should be queried and left to continue her job. Working with kids can be tough. Passing through the Nigerian schools, things like this aren't rare to find. It shouldn't be condoned but what I saw in the video isn't a scenario that warrants a state punishment yet.