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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 4:09pm On May 14 |
Thewritingnerd: Well said Negative Nancy, carry on - you're doing a great job 👍 9 Likes |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 3:21pm On May 14 |
Thewritingnerd: Lol, no one asked you to spray confetti. I and others have pointed out flaws in the NHS and are advocating and voting for improvements. However we can point out the flaws and also be honest to see the numerous good points about the NHS, something you appear unable to do. Your view isn't balanced, it's just negative. 1 Like |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 2:57pm On May 14 |
Thewritingnerd: Dupyshoo, Goodenoch and others have also shared data and personal stories of the dire state of healthcare/healthcare system in the US and Nigeria. Ticha has also previously provided insights on Canada and NZ to provide a balanced view. Point is you don't have to bash the NHS like it's much better or perfect elsewhere. You're entitled to your opinion obviously, but we don't have to agree. 3 Likes |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 2:15pm On May 14 |
Goodenoch: 💯 Well said |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 2:11pm On May 14 |
dupyshoo: It's not just your family's experience sadly... A family friend recently lost their healthy new born baby due to hospital negligence at one of the top private hospitals in Lagos. No inquiry, investigation - just BAU afterwards. They had just moved from the UK to Nigeria as well. A friend's cousins are scrambling around to bury their father after the shock of him passing away shortly after he had been admitted for a minor illness. He had otherwise been fit and healthy. Again, no inquiry or investigation. There are good and bad stories everywhere. |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 1:32pm On May 14 |
Jamesclooney: There are many areas that I want to see improvements in the UK. It's not perfect, neither is the US or anywhere else. However I try to have realistic/ reasonable expectations in the first place especially when it comes to the NHS. On Friday for example, I chose to pay for a same day health service instead of waiting a few days on the NHS, so I did that for my peace of mind. There is positive criticism and then there is bashing. What you did initially by saying the NHS has completely failed, was the latter. Your experience and views are valid, but so also are the views and experience of others who support and praise the NHS, while also calling for much needed improvements. PS - I quoted your use of Eldorado. 1 Like |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 1:11pm On May 14 |
kwakudtraveller: It's ok, I don't feel attacked. We have different views, we can just agree to disagree. |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 1:05pm On May 14 |
dupyshoo: Exactly, which is why I keep saying to each their own. Some people will experience better healthcare/life in Nigeria or the US, and some people have experienced and will experience great healthcare in the UK both on the NHS or privately. Do what works for you. It's the constant complaining and comparing that irks me. No one is saying the NHS is perfect - far from it- but to say it has completely failed is ridiculous. If people think they are better off in the US or that Nigeria's healthcare is the new Eldorado, then bon voyage. Why stay back and constantly complain? Rant over 😊 3 Likes |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:57pm On May 14 |
kwakudtraveller: I did educate them that that's not how the NHS/IHS works and people typically have such tests done privately. Not everything is a call out. |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:39pm On May 14 |
dupyshoo: Thanks Dupyshoo, this fact has been called out several times but some people just love to bash and fault find. |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:33pm On May 14 |
Thewritingnerd: Or perhaps some people are happy where "life has put them" and not running from place to place in search of some utopia, only to start another round of complaints when they get there lol Look, I'm not trying to convince anyone not to move to the US. I was only defending the NHS, same with some other posters. It's not perfect as I've said numerous times, but it's very good. I'm very happy for anyone who chooses to go seeking a better life or healthcare in the US or Canada or Nigeria or wherever. 6 Likes |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:32pm On May 14 |
Thewritingnerd: That's certainly not the case anywhere I've seen or heard in the UK, but you're entitled to think what you think. |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 9:59am On May 14 |
kwakudtraveller: Everyone who attends A&E must truly need it and many would have a low pain threshold. However would you rather a stroke patient or another urgent condition be put on hold to treat someone with a low risk ankle sprain? As a PP said, it's not first come first served. People need to manage their expectations. And yes, I'm speaking from experience. I have heard several people discuss on how they have the right to a full MOT on demand because they've paid for the IHS and should use it, and advise how to fake symptoms so they are given the tests. I had to caution that that's not what the NHS is for - it can't cater to everyone who wants a full body check (unless you are in an identified risk group) because they heard so and so dropped dead unexpectedly. That's what private checkups are for. |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 9:50am On May 14 |
kwakudtraveller: Completely agree with the bolded. I mentioned in an earlier post that there is a lot of waste in the NHS - bloated managerial and admin workforce and extravagant contracts to mention a few. I really hope such an audit and the corresponding cutbacks can be implemented. 1 Like |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 9:48am On May 14 |
lavida001: Smh...If the healthcare is so great, not sure why every politician or rich man flies abroad for treatment at the slightest ailment. |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:33am On May 14 |
jedisco: Not really a crisis because at least there are doctors and nurses from many countries queuing up to work in the NHS. Your concern should be directed at the huge care gaps these professionals are leaving behind in their home countries, where even newly trained doctors and nurses are looking to japa at the earliest opportunity. I agree with the bolded, but the solution is not to privatise the NHS. |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:28am On May 14 |
Lexusgs430: Lol, I support some of their policies such as their viewpoint on gender issues, but anything public spending/NHS and yeh, no love lost there |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:09am On May 14 |
Lexusgs430: 💯, because over 95% of Brits are like "no Bueno" to the US healthcare system (along with their hormone injected beef lol). Tories tried to privatise by the back door but have never been bold/foolish enough to be transparent with their objectives. |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 11:54pm On May 13 |
jedisco: Any desirable country will attract doctors and nurses from abroad who are seeking a better life, more money and a superior professional experience and opportunities. The NHS is not unique in this. You seem to be pushing for the privatisation of the NHS which goes against its ethos and founding principles ,so no thanks. Private healthcare is available for those who choose/are able to pay. The NHS should remain "free" , (and I say this as someone who has gold private healthcare from work that also covers my family) but needs to find ways to become more efficient e.g. slimming down their management force, more conservative contracts etc 1 Like |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 11:46pm On May 13 |
Lexusgs430: I'm in support of you advocating for the scan for your child because you can never be too careful with children, I don't see this as a waste of NHS resources. What I'm not in support of is people demanding full MOT blood tests from their GP just because they paid the IHS or showing up at A&E with a sprained ankle and expecting to be seen immediately :| |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 11:08pm On May 13 |
jedisco: Fair enough....I guess the many thousands of American households that have been bankrupted due to healthcare bills or have lost their top paying jobs and accompanying health cover, were not bullish enough To each their own. I remain grateful for the safetynet in Europe where I don't have to check my bank balance before going to the hospital, but I also have the option to pay for private medical insurance if I want expedited or special treatment. 1 Like |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 10:43pm On May 13 |
jedisco: Funny that, there are numerous Reddit threads of Americans who have moved to Europe to access the cheaper healthcare. I don't know m(any) Brits who have moved to the US solely to use their healthcare. 4 Likes |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 10:40pm On May 13 |
missjekyll: Cancer now has a 2 year waiting list to start treatment? Okay. I have a very close relative who is receiving pioneering preventative cancer treatment - the drugs alone would cost over £50k out of pocket, not to mention the regular MRI, PET and CT scans. This is a retired lady who doesn't have private insurance, who has received years of cancer treatment and various types of surgeries on the NHS, from world class doctors, and never once had to pay a penny. She is thriving thank God. Similar treatments would have been unaffordable in the US and unavailable in Nigeria because their medical system mostly caters for routine/non complex conditions. For this and many other reasons, I love the NHS. I know it's not perfect, there is definitely a lot of room for improvement but I agree with you that it represents the best of the UK and I believe it will get better. 1 Like |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 8:42pm On May 13 |
EJIOGBENIMI: Thank you Dr. Well said... And I'm assuming when you attend to a patient in ED, you don't ask for their medical insurance details or to produce a police report before deciding whether to treat them and what to charge them for the emergency treatment. Which is what happens in certain countries, and yet the NHS is a "total failure". 1 Like |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 7:06pm On May 13 |
Jamesclooney: You're perfectly entitled to your opinion and fortunately you have a Nigerian passport and can fly over there to enjoy the premium health services on offer whenever the NHS fails to impress you. Lucky you. 4 Likes |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 7:03pm On May 13 |
Lexusgs430: Lol you and your adages 🙈 We have to keep hope alive innit lol and Sir Keir keeps reassuring us that they are New New Labour (Tony's Labour was only New Labour lol) so let's wait and see... |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 6:41pm On May 13 |
Strata1716: That's amazing news - congratulations 🎉 I wouldn't worry - I'm sure the confirmation is just a compliance/tick boxing exercise but it sounds like a done deal. The timeline was stated - they will start the sponsorship process soon as your pre-employment checks are complete. |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 6:18pm On May 13 |
Jamesclooney: You didn't address the questions in my earlier post, but in any case everyone is entitled to their view. While I agree that the system needs reform, and urgently in some areas, I don't agree that it has "totally failed". You compare the NHS to Nigeria that has the 3rd highest maternal death ratio in the world (behind Chad and Sudan)..... anyways everyone is entitled to their own opinion lol 1 Like |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 6:10pm On May 13 |
Lexusgs430: Lol Tony also landed us with all these polytechnics turned universities that we're now struggling to support. Agreed, the NHS definitely needs reform, I saw an article the other day on how much a particular agency charges the NHS for oneagency nurse especially on public holidays. It was something like 2k or more per shift (obviously most of it going to the agency). These and other wastes in the system need to be looked into for the NHS to run more efficiently. |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 4:46pm On May 13 |
EPEAKS: No. As long as you're declaring your income and paying taxes etc, you're good to go. 1 Like |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 4:35pm On May 13 |
Jamesclooney: The bolded is one of the reasons the Tories will lose the election - because many people remember how much better the NHS was 15/20 years ago before the Tories came in and started defunding public services. One of Labour's key pledges is to improve/transform the NHS ,including waiting lists, so no-one is saying we settle for things remaining as they are. Cases are usually triaged and urgent/life threatening cases (and minors) are not left waiting in A&E or on 2 year waiting lists. Anyone here been diagnosed with cancer or diabetes or hepatitis or sickle cell or heart disease etc etc and had to wait 2 years to start treatment? The NHS isn't perfect, I completely agree, and there is an element of post code lottery that determines the quality of treatment some areas receive, which isn't fair. However, on the whole it is very good considering the limited resources and increasing pressures it is faced with. 1 Like |
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 1:09pm On May 13 |
Mamatukwas: Thank you Mamatukwas.. Even with good insurance, a serious illness like cancer can easily bankrupt an average family, and as many insurance policies are tied to an employer, if someone loses their job e.g. due to a long illness, they and sometimes their family members will no longer have health cover. Some treatments are not covered by insurance or there is a limit the insurer will pay out. Meanwhile the NHS will never charge- even if an individual is on regular (expensive )treatment and medication for years. Their own drugs cost them more than we pay here - something Trump was mad about and wanted to change. The number of Americans who are envious of our NHS and the health system in Europe >>> No system is perfect, so for those who love to complain ,I simply encourage them to relocate asap to the US. Less pressure on the NHS lol 10 Likes 1 Share |
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