THE PROPHET (s) DID NOT ONLY CRY FOR IMAM HUSSAIN (as),-EVEN WHEN IMAM HUSSAIN (as) WAS YOUNG-BUT HE WAILED FOR IMAM HUSSAIN (as) FIFTY YEARS BEFORE KARBALA, EVERYTIME JIBRIL (as) REMIND HIM OF HIS MARTYRDOM.THE PROPHET (s) ALSO HONORED THE SOIL ON WHICH IMAM HUSSAIN (as) WOULD BE MARTYRED!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFTcmZ2fKS0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcehVQ9Vrks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peJkzqSfAc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nOOf1rJSzs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBgaVwriuf4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGX9uNWCpfU

BetaThings:

Please when we have ahadeeth that might apparently be in conflict.
There are ways of reconciling them
But an explicit prohibition takes precedence over what people observe
But your position of last year is different from this year's - but it is not an issue
I used the hadeeth last year and I remain on it

please what is the difference. i'd like to know because I am open to learning everyday.and I do not claim perfection.

it is a serious thing when you say something is "pagan" and the Prophet (s) is recorded to have done it.it is not a simple matter of prohibition.it is either hitting oneself in grief is pagan or it is allowed in islam.then explain to us what the pagans of jahiliyyah used to do that made the Prophet (s) utter the statement he made.for a hint,they used to insult Allah (swt) in wailing when they grief.

it is the same thing about "grave worship".if you look at the graves of our Imams,they are level to the ground.wahhabis think the "dhareeh" (outter fencing protecting the graves) are structures on the grave we worship.truth is the graves within the outter protecting structure are level as the Prophet (s) ordered.and the graves of the Christians and jews used to be themselves made in the form of housing which the Prophet (s) prohibited.you need to not be superficial.





COMPARE:

Of course she is my role model and my mother - Alhamdu li Llah, I am a Muslim
But like any human being she can err. I don't even have time for takhreej now

so if Aisha who you implicitly accused of "paganism" can still qualify for a role model,why do you have problem with the Shia? cant they also "err" going by your argument? someone that does pagan acts is no role model for a muslim.

BetaThings:

I agree there is a difference between bloodletting and blunt blows
But both are forbidden by the Prophet of Allah (SAW)


(Bukhari and Muslim)


Enough for today - you have contradicted yourself and I have pointed it out
This is a religious matter. I don't need to gloat
But I am satisfied with the progress made today = that you can cite the name of Aisha as a role model
Insha Allah, the day to clear the name of Aliu ibn Talib (RA) of the unfortunate and unfair allegation of the Shia draws closer

you should stop contradicting yourself.

tell us what the hadith about jahiliyyah means.it doesn't make sense that the Prophet (s) would forbid something that he is recorded in the very bukhari to have done.

NB: As for Aisha I cited her because she is your role model and not mine.it is also a great progress that you implicitly accused her of following "jahiliyyah paganism".

BetaThings:
Actually they do
Even the blood of children is split in the process and you can often see the children wincing in pain

Very funny!

ok,since you now see that the vast majority of Shia and Shia ulama do not tolerate tatbeer,would you now join us to commemorate Ashura? taking the following into account:

-crying for Imam Hussain (as) is sunnah
-hitting oneself in grief is sunnah (Aisha,Sarah and Prophet Muhammad are recorded to have done that)
-love for the Ahlul-Bayt (as) is an injunction in the Quran and that love should not only stay on our lips
-observing Ashura is emphasized in the hadiths
-on Ashura,it is also more opportunity to learn more things in Islam and recite the Quran

BetaThings:

I am not in a competitive game with you. I belive that Shias are misguided. But how will that help me to get to Jannah which is my focus
It will not
I am better off being able to say in Jannah (may Allah make me its abode) that I used to debate hotly with ZhulFiqar by Alhamdu Li Llah, he saw the light


Roping and beating is not my aim. Not at all


Alhamdu Li Llah that you have admitted that we only take our deen from the Prophet (SAW) and not past prophets (AS)



No! Don't put it to me.
Put it to Zhul-Fiqar and Ayatollah Khamenei

Does Islam change everyday? Does your position change everyday?
See below what you wrote in 2012. You wanted me to listen then
Now you have changed your position and you still want me to listen


http://www.jafariyanews.com/2k8_news/jan/14tatbeer_khamenei.htm



According to Imam Malik, we can take and reject from anyone - Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, the mothers of the believers -apart from the Prophet (SAW)
Only the Prophet of Allah (SAW) is the one whose position we cannot reject
This is what the Prophet (SAW) said and I stand by it

(Bukhari and Muslim)

there is a big difference between hitting your chest or thigh as a sign of grief,and cutting yourself inflicting injury which is forbidden. you are mixing things up.

Do you really want to bring what Shias say about the relationship between Iblees and Ali ibn Talib (RA) onto this thread
Be careful.

please do.expose yourself.

BetaThings: At least the Supreme Leader of Iran got it right on this occasion
unless he is doing Taqiyyah while his life in not in danger
Or Ayatollah SYED Khamenei might need to read this Nairaland thread to be properly educated by the highly knowledgeable Shias here after which the Ayatollah might be persuaded to change his mind and his fatwa
We need to send this link to him so that he can become properly schooled on Shia etiquette of mourning
Unless he is just being "stubborn", he will have to change that fatwa after readiing the "truth" on Nairaland

http://www.jafariyanews.com/2k8_news/jan/14tatbeer_khamenei.htm

why do you insist on mocking yourself with half or no knowledge?

the majority of Shia scholars forbid tatbeer (cutting one's self),and the very post you are using to make a clown out of yourself was posted here on nairaland by a Shia to explain that the act is not religiously permitted by the vast majority of our scholars.there are cultural practices which people have been attracted to because they express sad emotions to fit the occasion.however these practices are not religiously sound.the majority of the Shia don't go about cutting themselves.and because there are some lay people who do such acts,that is no justification to tell us to stop holding the memory of Imam Hussain (as) in high esteem,and commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (as) according to the sunnah of the Prophet (s).Wahhabis/salafists want people to believe they oppose Ashura because of people cut themselves.while in fact whether people cut themselves or not,they just want to erase the memory of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) and the legacy of Imam Hussain (as).

the truth is you can use all tricks and tactics,but we will not stop remembering Imam Hussain (as).if it bothers you, fly into another planet.

Why do Shia hit their chest:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_N_t67hY6Y

@BetaThing

the pile of rubbish you post is so clear that you on your own cannot think through and separate truth from falsehood.keep depending on lies and nonsense of Wahhabi propagandists on youtube and you'd be blind forever and full of hate that others would view you as a non-living creature that does not think!!!

since religion to you is a competitive game with the Shia,i am glad to inform you that I have roped you and beaten you again severely.i brought out evidence showing your almighty Aisha in hadith and Lady Sarah (as) in the Quran hitting themselves to express grief.so your point became we do not follow Aisha but only the examples of the Prophet (sa), and we do not follow Sarah because she follows a previous shariah.ok here is the Prophet (s) in your almighty "Sahih" Bukhari hitting himself:

Narrated ‘Ali bin Abi Talib:
That Allah’s Apostle came to him and Fatima the daughter of Allah’s Apostle at their house at night and said, “Won’t you pray?” ‘Ali replied, “O Allah’s Apostle! Our souls are in the Hands of Allah and when he wants us to get up, He makes us get up.” When ‘Ali said that to him, Allah’s Apostle left without saying anything to him. While the Prophet was leaving, ‘Ali heard him striking his thigh (with his hand) and saying, “But man is quarrelsome more than anything else.” (18.54)

Ibn Hajr Asqalani-the Nasibi scholar- in the commentary of this tradition in Fatah al Bari, Volume 3 page 11 writes:

قوله يضرب فخذه فيه جواز ضرب الفخذ عند التأسف

“His statement ‘striking his thigh’ shows the permission of striking the thigh to express the grief”

"Sunnah" is what the Prophet (s) did.therefore I put it unto you that hitting oneself to express grief is a Sunnah because the Prophet (s) did just that.or do you want to tell me the Prophet (s) is also following "paganism" (astaghfirullah)?

you Wahhabis/salafists are like Iblis. Allah (swt) told iblis to bow down to Adam (as),iblis replied that Adam (as) is a created creature from clay and he is better than Adam (as).perhaps iblis just like Wahhabis/salafists were following "pure tawheed".now tell us what you think about the Prophet (s) hitting himself.

now that we are done with the topic,and even the father of salafism ibn taymiyyah has a similar fatwa permitting drinking water during fast in special circumstances,the Wahhabi wannabes want to derail the thread because they feel bitter and beaten.

Sheykul Islam: "you can drink water if the you cannot withstand such fasting". I hope ibn taymiyyah's students are reading this thread

amazing! how ignorant can people get because of blind hatred? so even the founder of salafism has the same ruling?!!!

BetaThings: A lot of things done by Shia have pagan background and they are not original
Similarities of Shia self flaggelation with christianity

people have come to realize the truth on the topic in spite that the op opened this thread to vilify the Shia.so in order to continue the nonsense,you want to derail the thread.

why did you not copy all that was said in that thread? why only pick out few verses of the bible to accuse Muslims of being "pagan"? what does mourning have to do in this thread? there is no problem because I will still catch you and beat you with your point.that is evidence that Wahhabis/salafists have no aqeedah.

so when Aisha is reported to have beaten herself, she was doing acts of "pagan background", right? or is it only "pagan" if the Shia does it? please enlighten us :

al Tabari in History Volume 9 page 183 (English translation by Ismail Poonawala):

Abbas narrates:
“I heard Ayesha saying “The Messenger of God died on my bosom during my turn, I did not wrong anyone in regard to him. It was because of my ignorance and youthfulness that the Messenger of God died while he was in my lap. Then I laid his head on a pillow and got up beating my chest and slapping my face along with the women”.

and of course,there is also acts of "pagan background" found in the Holy Quran (astaghfirullah),according to the words of Mr.Wahhabi who does not know the Quran and does not know Islam but only sentiments:

“Then came forward his wife in grief, she smote her face and said (what! I) An old barren woman?”
Quran 51:29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OQrATP9n3g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjyIBqfUi3Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Sci_UWFHY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJTGUF_87Ys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSXO_GhcyL8

BetaThings:

I don't believe in senseless killings. The answer is a simple No

but you justify killing Shia civilians.

Irrelevant
I see Quds day parade in Nigeria. It has no effect on Israel apart from giving the impression to people that muslims are militants

how peaceful of a Wahhabi sympathizer.peaceful demonstrations against occupation give the impression that muslims are "militants",but all the bombings and beheadings done by the salafists/Wahhabis portray muslims in good light.that is your view anyways.you are free to take part or not.however whether you are right or wrong is not the issue here.the point is your contention that the Shia don't care about what affects muslims at large (in reference particularly to what affect Sunnis).therefore I pointed out the efforts done by Shia to support Sunni Palestinians.you described the effort as "militant".that is great if the Shia can turn into "militants" to support your sunni brothers.it defeats your argument that the Shia do not do anything.

You seem to have forgotten that when the issue of Srebrenica was brought up on NL, shias were clearly against the matter
The link is still there for us to refresh our memories with

the Shia were not against the bosnians or their struggle or even the memory in remembering sebrenica.the point was raised that since Wahhabis/salafists term everything under "shirk" and "bid'ah",why is the remembrance of the massacre of sebrenica not classified as "bid'ah" just as they classify the commemoration of the massacre and tragedy of Karbala? that was the entire point.but as usual you read more into every idea and then project your interpretation to give an idea of your own as the reality.that is how salafism/wahhabism operates especially when they classify other muslims as "mushrikeen".

I have seen Sunnis defend Islam when there is some negative perception of Islam caused by the activities of Shia
I have NEVER seen Shias defend "Islam" whenever an issue was caused by Sunnis
When renegades Sunnis strike, Shias quickly distance themselves from "Wahabbis"

you need to search more.i wont comment further because the case of Wahhabis/salafists is different.

And please remember that you Shias have said it is bid'ah to be a sunni - So don't tell me your grouse is only with "wahabbis"
All of non-shias are filthy products of adultery according to your scholars

we are not ashamed at all that we believe what we hold is the truth.we have ideological differences.but is that reason to start killing ourselves like Wahhabis/salafists do? having differences and disagreeing is one thing,and the case of killing and terror of Wahhabis/salafists is on another scale.

UNITY!!!!!!
Most of the articles from the stable of Shias on NL show a deep hunger and passion for unity!
Anyway, did you discuss this your planned show of unity with anyone? Did you carry anyo0ne along? Or you just started a protest in a country sensitive about such things without consulting the hosts
Personally as a Sunni, I will not join any protest during hajj because I am not supposed to conduct myself in such a manner during hajj
If that is my only hajj I thereby invalidate it through such conduct, what will be my recourse
Like I have explained above, Shias don't have such restrictions. They can do anything during hajj and earn nothing and make up in a big way by visiting some graves

Makkah and Medina belong to all Muslims.they are not the property of aal-Saud.if pilgrims burst into an emotional chant and start to carryout a show in solidarity with muslims,your pseudo-fatwa about validation or nullification of hajj only applies on you.hajj itself is a huge demonstration.take an example with the stoning of satan.

I know that all the problems of this world are caused by Saudi "Wahhabis"
Yet the "pristine" Shias wanted to be "united" with them.

no we don't want to be united with them since we are "polytheists/idolaters" in their evil eyes.

BTW the issue of Abdullah ibn Saba, the jewish founder of Shiaism, is for another day

you are still treading the path of an old fashion Wahhabi lie,that even Wahhabi preachers presently feel shy to use in this age and time.this lie has been trashed here on nairaland and it was made clear that not one hadith exist to validate the Abdullah ibn saba claim/myth :
https://www.nairaland.com/1107764/story-sunni-imam-shia-ayatollah/4#13246368

however if following the commands of the Prophet (sa) in Ghadir Khumm and loving the Ahlul-Bayt (as) and believing in the 12 holy Imams (as) makes one a "jew" then I am proud to be a "jew".

but don't forget to consult google on the jewish origin of the al-saud clan in wahhabistan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lAT-D5771A

duplicate post

vedaxcool:

why don't you just address betathings? @ bold you are simply hanging yourself again.

Imam Sajjad (A.S) said:

"Surely, I have never brought to mind the martyrdom of the children of Fatimah (A.S.) except that I have been choked with tears due to it".

Bihar al‑Anwar vol. 46, pg. 109.

@ brother/sister al-Baqir,

Ameen.may Allah (swt) reward us on the martyrdom commemoration of Imam Abi Abdillah al-Hussain (as),and condolences to our great maraji and the Imam of the time (ajtfs) and every lover of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) of our beloved Prophet,Muhammad (s).

vedaxcool:

Why don't address betathings, Betathings have answered the thread see here https://www.nairaland.com/1501204/how-true-narrations-sahih-bukhari#19276820 his very first word answered the thread, he raised a very important issue which is more than you or the op can chew!

Ignorance is not good.the only thing left unanswered in Betathing's post is his propaganda video on Sayyid Murtaza Qazwini.

The hadith Sayyid Qazwini was quoting that the verse: "God favored Adam,the family of Noah,the family of Ibrahim and the family of Imran over mankind",also included "family of Muhammad",is a hadith that is found (also) in Sunni books.this hadith has been refuted by the great Shia alim,Ayatollah Abu'l Kassim al-Khu'i,and proven to be weak.furthermore,the video Betathing presented of Sayyid Qazwini is doctored.Sayyid Qazwini does not believe the Quranic text has been distorted,but was merely quoting what is found in some Sunni reports.instead of showing us 1minute 28 seconds of his lecture,those Sunni (definitely wahhabi/salafist sunnis) should have provided the full lecture let us hear the statement in context.

I will present this 10 minute video to get more refutations to such claims by Salafist pseudo-scholar,Usthman al-Khamees:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=xXPA5bmKMMc

The real problem is in the Sunni "sahih" books because you have reports from people like Aisha,Umar and Abdullah Ibn Masood-upon whose shoulders the foundations of the Sunni sect lies-that the Holy Quran has suffered tahreef.these figures were among the Sahaba Sunnis do hold in high honor.

As for us,the words of the 12 holy Imams (as) of Prophet Muhammad's (s) Ahlul-Bayt (as) are decisive over whatever anyone says.Imam Ja'far as-Sadeq (as) said:

"'Test the various reports by the Book of God; whatever agrees with it take it,whatever disagrees with it reject it."'Take what is agreed upon (by scholars). Certainly the universally accepted should not be doubted.'"

The above is found in al-Kafi by al-Kulayni.al-Kulayni was a Shia hadith recorder/compiler (just like Bukhari and Muslim for Sunnis),and he considers the Quran (as per the saying of Imam Sadeq) to be the yardstick for separating truth from falsehood.

This is what we read in the Holy Quran:

“and most surely ” (41:41) it is a Mighty Book: (42) Falsehood shall not come to it from before it nor from behind it; a revelation from the Wise, the Praised One”, and “(15:9) Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian”.

What the classical Shia scholars of the highest prominence have said:

The completeness of Quran is so indisputable among Shia that the greatest scholar of Shia in Hadith, Abu Jafar Muhammad Ibn Ali Ibn al-Husain Ibn Babwayh, known as "Shaykh Saduq" (309/919-381/991), wrote:

"Our belief is that the Quran which Allah revealed to His Prophet Muhammad is (the same as) the one between the two covers (daffatayn).And it is the one which is in the hands of the people, and is not
greater in extent than that. The number of surahs as generally accepted is one hundred and fourteen ...And he, who asserts that we say that it is greater in extent than that, is a liar."

Shi'i reference: Shi'ite Creed (al-I'tiqadat al-Imamiyyah), by Shaykh Saduq, English version, p77.

1- It should be noted that Shaykh Saduq is the greatest scholar of Hadith among the Imami Shia and was given the name of Shaykh al-Muhaddithin (i.e., the most eminent of the scholars of Hadith). And since he wrote the above in a book with the name of "The beliefs of the Imami Shia," it is quite impossible that there could be any authentic Hadith in contrary to it.
It is noteworthy that Shaykh Saduq was one of the earliest Shia scholars.

2- Another prominent Shia scholar is Allama Muhammad Ridha Mudhaffar who wrote in his Shia Creed book that:

"We believe that the Holy Quran is revealed by Allah through the Holy Prophet of Islam dealing with every thing which is necessary for the guidance of mankind. It is an everlasting miracle of the Holy Prophet
the like of which can not be produced by human mind. It excels in its eloquence, clarity, truth and knowledge. This Divine Book has not been tampered with by any one. This Holy Book which we recite today is the same Holy Quran which was revealed to the Holy Prophet. Any one who
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
claims it to be otherwise is an evil-doer, a mere sophist, or else he is sadly mistaken. All of those who have this line of thinking have gone astray as Allah in Quran said: "Falsehood can not reach the Quran
from any direction (41:42)"

- Shi'i reference: The Beliefs of Shi'ite School, by Muhammad Ridha Mudhaffar, English version, pp 50-51

3-Sayyid al-Murtadha, another prominent Shi'ite Scholar said:

"... our certainty of the completeness of the Quran is like our certainty of the existence of countries or major events that are self evident. Motives and reasons for recording and guarding the Holy Quran
are numerous. Because the Quran is a miracle of the Prophethood and the source of Islamic Knowledge and religious rule, their concern with the Quran made the Muslim Scholars highly efficient concerning
grammar, its reading, and its verses."

4-With this various concern by the most eminent Shia scholars, there is no possibility that the Quran was added or deleted in some parts.

5-Besides what Allah mentioned in Quran about its protection, we can use our logic to derive the same result. Allah sent his last Messenger to show people (to the end of the time) His Right Path. Therefore if Allah does not preserve His message, He would be contradicting His own aim. Obviously, such negligence is evil according to reason. Thus, in essence, Allah preserves His message as He preserved Moses in the house of His Enemy,Pharaoh.

Conclusion:

Shia Muslims collectively believe that the Qur'an we have is free from all textual distortions. It's the same Qur'an God revealed upon Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his descendants). Yes, distortion was made in the arrangement of the verses as we all know that Q. 96 is the first chapter of Qur'an revealed and Q. 5:3 is the last verse revealed. Fabricated interpretation of Qur'an is also a kind of distortion but the letters in Qur'an are indeed the word of God. See this:

http://www.shiapen.com/comprehensive/tahreef/shia-scholars-completeness-quran.html

vedaxcool:

someone has bitten more than he can chew

Yes for once i do agree with you.al-Baqir has bitten more than he can chew because he is dealing with people who justify and feel good about their own beliefs by denying beliefs of others through unfounded claims and wet-dreams.

Betathing is talking about taqiyyah,yet Taqiyyah is found in the Quran.

He is talking about Shia having belief that the Quran have been altered/distorted (tahreef),yet the very Sunni books he is defending (like bukhari and muslim) contain hadiths that state the Quran has been altered.yet because he is programmed to believe it is only the Shia that hold such belief,he disregards the skeletons in his own cupboard.even when the Shia in every home have the same Quran (even ones printed in majority Sunni countries) and the Shia deny tahreef,the likes of Betathing would insist the Shia believe in tahreef.ask him for proof,he would quote hadiths from Shia books that the Shia themselves reject.and ironically when the Shia bring hadiths from his "sahih" about Aisha narrating that a verse of the Quran,known as the "Verse of Stoning",was allegedly lost when a goat chewed it,he would pretend ignorance.our al-kafi,biharul-anwar,wasael al-shia,etc are not tagged by the Shia with the "sahih" label as sunnis have their hadith books.the Shia insist that only the Holy Quran is "sahih".when you tag a book as "sahih" (authentic/unadulterated),you must accept everything in it.based on that and since hadiths supporting tahreef are found in bukhari and muslim,it is 100% honest to say sunnis believe in tahreef.he will still disagree,but wants us to believe it is the Shia misusing taqiyyah and not his likes.amazing nonsense! Do you believe your books are "sahih" or not? Do you believe in tahreef or not? Its either your books are not "sahih" as the OP has been preaching,or if you say they are then you believe in tahreef because there are reports therein supporting tahreef.choose!

BetaThings:

Muslims are oppressed in many places but the Shia pilgrims go to Saudi Arabia to protest the palestinian crisis.
Iran can easily go and liberate the Palestinians from their cousins the Jews. That will be a more sincere approach
However they never protested when Muslims were unjustly massacred in Srebrenica. They hardly pay attention to injustice to Muslims elsewhere.
The focus is Palestine and the political (rather than the spiritual) capital in the Middle East

firstly do people who protest against the occupation of Palestine deserve to be killed collectively?

it is Shia and Persian Iran (after the Islamic revolution in 1979) under the leadership of Ayatollah Khomeini that declared with a binding fatwa that the last day of the holy month of Ramadhan be observed as "al-Quds Day" (Jerusalem Day).

during the conflict in former Yugoslavia, the Iranian revolutionary guards and their ally Hezbollah (both Shia Muslims) sent aid and even fighters to help the Sunni Muslim Bosnians in the face of the massacres the serbs committed against innocent civilians.do your research well and google will help you out.

now why did the Iranians/Shia choose the climax of the hajj in 1987 to protest the Zionist occupation of palestine? here are some points one can consider:

1.) The hajj is a show of muslim unity where all muslims can collectively make their voice heard on the occupation of Palestine

2.) the hajj during which the symbolic stoning of satan takes place teach the muslims to resist forces of evil and oppression.the hajj is a symbolic place to revive the teachings against shirk and the stance of the Prophet (s) during the occupation of the pagan arabs of the holy Ka'ba.today similarly the al-Aqsa is under a similar occupation.

3.) during the hajj,the masjidul-haram (the first holiest mosque) is visited while the masjidul-aqsa (the second holiest mosque) is under occupation.from the masjidul-haram a message was been sent in solidarity with al-Aqsa.

of course that show of unity,strength and message did not please the Saudi Wahhabis against their Zionist allies,and they decided to spill muslim blood to silence muslim unity;mind you this was no Shia-Sunni issue.yet you deny all these facts and insist to labeling the Iranians as the "cousins of the jews".how did you conclude that? that is even so false because it is the arabs who are really "cousins of the jews" (Ismaeel and Ishaq-(as)-being brothers) and the Iranians are non-arabs.please let us try to put emotions and sentiments aside and for once think what is right and in the interest of muslims and islam and what is not,and who is following what and for what reason.let us be objective.

PRESS RELEASE: American Shia Attacked in Hajj

Submitted by admin on Sat, 10/19/2013 - 20:00

Saturday, October 19, 2013

WASHINGTON D.C. – This week, a large group of Salafis attacked a group of American Shia Muslims performing Hajj. The incident took place in Mina, during late hours of the evening. The Americans arrived at the tent, only to be immediately accosted by a group of men demanding to know if they were American. When the group responded in the affirmative, the men asked if they were Shia, and then immediately attacked after hearing the response.

During the attack, the men shouted ““Our Hajj will be complete once we have killed you, ripped out your hearts and eaten them” and “We’re going to do Karbala all over again.”  They also shouted other vulgarities towards Shia women.

Details of the attack can be in various news media:

"The Americans fled the tent area, which the Saudi government had specifically designated for American and European pilgrims. During the escape, many of the group, almost entirely U.S. citizens and mostly hailing from Dearborn, Michigan suffered bruises (in one case, due to an attempted strangulation), concussions, broken bones, and black eyes."

The Universal Muslim Association of America condemns this attack, and calls on the United States Embassy in Saudi Arabia, as well as the State Department, to take immediate and swift action to punish those responsible and prevent future such incidents.

Read more on the incident, click here.

http://www.umaamerica.net/content/press-release-american-shia-attacked-hajj