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lastmessenger:
The devil and his agents(eg you) are fools and there is no hiding of mouth in saying it

And you my friend just booked front row seats with us in hell.

lastmessenger:
That does not apply when dealing with devils like you.

For I testify unto every man that heareth the
words of the prophecy of this book, If any man
shall add unto these things, God shall add unto
him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words
of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away
his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy
city, and from the things which are written in this
book. Rev 22:18-19.
You are twisting your rulebook to suit yourself. Above lies the punishment for those who do that.

lastmessenger:
You are big fool for making such a stupid statement. Satanism is real and I know what happened to me.

... And
whoever says, 'You fool!' will be subject to hell
fire. Matt 5:22(b)
You people don't even know your rulebook.

menesheh:
why is it that the almighty office of mr President have been reduced to mere play ground by toutish politicians and even by a plenty award winning professor soyinka.


Soyinka suppose to be a core supporter of GEJ's rational and liberal behaviorism as an academician.

he should respect the respect bestowed on him nationally and internationally by abstaining from politics or by offering solutions to certain upheavals in the country.

is unbecoming of him making public statement instead as a stateman but as tout (barrow pusher or low grade layman)

Not tout..lout.

An omnipotent god who allows millions to die of starvation and thousands to be stillborn daily..there's no limit to his benevolence.
Humans like you love horror movies and action flicks. Don't you ever stop to think that the god you were fashioned after would thoroughly enjoy same?
Where's my popcorn?

plaetton:
This article from Huffington Post look as if it was tailor made for a Nairaland discussion/debate.

Read , enjoy and comment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ronald-a-lindsay/moses-jesus-mohammed-and-_b_6247604.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Here are some important excerpts from the article.

1. I'm not going to address the Exodus story. It's a heroic myth not dissimilar to Greek or Roman stories about Heracles, Aeneas, or other heroes. If you're willing to believe that God would slaughter thousands of innocent children to punish a ruler for his decisions, then you're probably inclined to accept a plague of frogs.

2. What is especially ironic about the false claim of Moses's influence on the (US)Constitution is that all religions which are based on revelation--and this would include Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Mormonism, among others--are inherently anti-democratic.

3. Sure, you can claim you talk to God in your prayers, but if you want to remain a member of one of the major religions you cannot claim that God has provided you with a revelation that contradicts the views of the accepted prophets of your religion. If you're Muslim, try to contradict Mohammed and see what happens.

4. If you are a faithful Jew, Christian, Muslim, or Mormon, then you must accept that God does not convey any really important information except through the medium of a few prophets. In other words, there is a rigidly hierarchical, cognitive class system inherent in revealed religion. There are a few people who have been in direct contact with God and are in the know about his plans and instructions. These are the people who tell us what to believe and do. Then there are the billions of the rest of us, who just have to follow along.

5. And, of course, the ultimate twist to this bizarre anti-democratic system is that the revelations are in conflict with each other. One has to choose between Moses talking to a burning bush, Mohammed getting the word from Gabriel in his dreams, and Joseph Smith finding wisdom at the bottom of his hat, among others. Later revelations may borrow from earlier ones, but they're not consistent.

6. There's a better way, of course, to determine how we should behave, what rules and laws we should adopt and follow. This way is democratic. If our moral norms and our laws are to serve human interests--and what would be their point otherwise?--then humans need to talk to each other and reason together. We cannot and should not rely on supposed prophets to tell us what to do; we should figure that out for ourselves.

7. During the childhood of humanity, we did rely on gods and kings to direct us. The myths of the various religions provided the pretext for dictatorial rule by authoritarian rulers (and, sadly, in some parts of the world, they still do). It's high time we grew up and accepted our responsibility to govern ourselves, without the dubious benefit of prophets and divine revelation.

Wonderfully written piece.
Isn't it quiet mysterious that the world's largest religious groups all have their origin in the middle east? What happened to our own prophets and priests? Did I hear someone say man-made gods? All gods are man-made. We have lost our identity around here.

"If you're a black Christian, you have a really short memory" - Chris Rock.

AlfaSeltzer:
Blood turn black and flesh turn blue,
I will curse you if you force me to,
by the left hand and the unclean food,
I´ll curse your eyes, I´ll curse your lies,
I´ll call down a plague of flies,
blood go black and flesh go blue,
evil from me and back to you,
my soul clean and yours on fire,
you mess with me you get burned, liar.

That's a dark arts warning spell..I once read it somewhere. I always thought Nairaland satanists were jokers..these guys know their stuff.

Rubbish reduction for a redundant people.
I'm a first year medical student and I was initially supposed to pay 115,250. Now, I'm paying 95, 250.
How many percentage reduction?

honourhim:
Rather you can walk away since you lack any meaningful contribution. Nobody forced you to comment rather you did on your own and sought for my response even while I wasn't showing interest in your submission. Thanks.

Tsk Tsk. If you want to kick butt, you'd have to try harder than this.
Anyways, I hope you've been educated. So long.

honourhim:
Like I said, the position of this science on this isn't certain yet. Scientific enquiry is quite young. However, this is the latest and most plausible plosbiological model.
The biblical account doesn't appear like something being assumed. That you chose not to believe it doesn't make it false. That it is beyond your imaginations doesn't make it impossible. Feel free to believe what you want.

It does sound like an assumption to me. A poor one at that. Not more plausible than the snail shell and chicken Yoruba theory and the fact that you don't believe does not make it false.
Now that you've been adequately answered and you do not have a convincing reprehension, do close this educational embarrassment of a thread.

honourhim:
No question bro. You only made assumptions. Nothing concrete to warrant questions.

You have a better poised "assumption" ?

honourhim:
I'm just watching you as you are trying hard to divert this thread from the main issue but I don't fall for such tricks by you people. If you want to argue the so called contradictions in the bible you can open another thread for it so that those who are interested can sort it out with you. I ve told you that whatever you call contradictions can be balanced with another verse by someone who knows better. Feel free not to believe what I said.

For me, I don't argue bible with you atheists. You see life from the physical angle only while i see life both from the physical and spiritual angle. We are two parallel lines that cannot meet. The bible has physical and spiritual angle therefore you can't subject it only to phyiscal perspective. If you want us to argue bible then you must change your perspective of life from only physical to both physical and spiritual. If you can't come to my own stand point to view it then I can't also come to your own stand point to view it. Bible is a divine book, it doesn't matter whether you believe it.

That you don't believe in the spiritual perspective doesn't mean that the spiritual is false. I know you people's tricks of making people see the bible only from your own perspective. Such tricks don't work for me. You can try small minds who are not sure of their belief. Atheists views are not the benchmark of how life should be viewed. Believe what you like but your belief is not the limit of what life comprises. Thanks for your time.

Still waiting.

I am still waiting for your questions @ Honourhim.

It's simple.
The need for communication and the ability to communicate is biologically innate. From the dance of the bee to indicate the direction of food, to the croaking of toad to attract a potential mate, to the hissing of a snake on sensing a potential prey, to the singing of the birds to imitate the natural environment and blend in it or attract a potential mate, to the gibberish of apes to indicate various emotional wants and desires as well as express such.
None is however as complex and diverse as the human language system. Perhaps it is our psychological dominance over fellow species or an increase in complexity of needs that prevailed on the earliest of our species to develop from basic grunt to more complex grunts to more distinct sounds to earliest forms of known language.
It is pertinent to note that there is as there is no such thing as a first man, there is no such thing as first as a first language. There are first men and first languages. However, environmental, geographical and biological factors affect the tone and accent as well as vocalisation of these languages.
As man spread, new languages were formed. Some languages died and have stayed that way. Some have mixed with other languages to form new hybrid languages.
The evolution of language is one aspect of science that is not entirely certain yet. However, this is the most plausible model yet (I stand to be corrected).
Any questions?

Kicka*s coming through..I solemnly swear not to be nice. If you refused polite secondary education, you'd have to accept rude primary tutoring.

Schizophrenia..

Seems to me that Christians conveniently ignore
that parts of the Bible they don't like. They say
things like "oh, that's not to be taken literally" or
"what that REALLY means is".
They always water-down or ignore or interpret
away the parts of the Bible they wish didn't exist.
Every Christian reading this, imagine you are living
in pre-Jesus times. That means all the laws in
Leviticus are in full effect and no one has died for
your sins yet. You must, according to the Old
Testament:
-stone a woman to death for having premarital sex
(Leviticus 20:9)
-stone a man to death for having gay sex
(Leviticus 20:13)
Translation: "You had sex in a manner that I don't
approve of. Therefore you must die. And by the
way, you will be killed in a painful, brutal, sadistic
manner. You will suffer greatly for the crime of
giving yourself and someone else pleasure."
Really? Is that absolutely necessary? Most modern
translations of the Bible replace "stoned to death"
with "put to death" but the original text says
"stoned to death". Have any of you seen a person
get killed that way? It's absolutely horrible. If the person is
lucky, they'll catch a large stone to the head shortly
after the stoning begins and they'll be knocked
out. Sadly, this doesn't happen most of the time
and death is slow and brutal. They cover the
woman in a white sheet and bury her up to her
waist. As the stoning progresses, large red spots
begin to appear all over the white sheet where the
impacts from the stones have made cuts or
wounds, until eventually the person collapses due
to shock or blood loss. How insane and cruel is
that? And why would God, who supposedly loves
us, do something so sadistic and barbaric and
cruel to us merely for giving each other pleasure?
Seriously, what is the big deal? Why is premarital
sexual pleasure SO WRONG and SO EVIL and SO
IMMORAL that it warrants a horribly painful death
sentence? Don't you think that's a bit extreme and
over-the-top? We usually associate that type of
punishment with radical, militant, crazy religious
nut-cases like the suicide bombers.
Is it because of STDs? Or pregnancy? If so, why
did God create viruses and STD bacteria in the first
place? What good are they? And as for pregnancy,
why didn't God just design the human female in
such a way that she would get pregnant only if she
has sex and also *wants* to get pregnant. God
could have made women capable of opening or
closing their fallopian tubes at will. No unintended
pregnancies...ever! And it would really cut down
on over-population and mass starvation. But no...
God gives both genders a healthy sex drive and
then tells us we're gonna get butchered if we act on
it. That's like dangling a glass of lemonade in front
of a very thirsty person and saying "Here.. take it
and look at it. But if you drink it, I'll stab you to
death." I mean... what's the point of doing that?
It's insane and just down-right sadistic.
So to the Christians in the audience... would you
really stone these "sinful" people to death? Hey,
God ordered it! You better obey... right? And
Jesus hasn't shown up yet to wash away our sins.
In pre-Jesus times, the Old Testament was God's
law and you had better obey it. So would you
really kill two consenting adults for the "crime" of
having unapproved sex?

sukkot:
i aint pushing nothing back. made a couple of miscalculations based on misappropriating celestial events. however keep in mind all my miscalculations are all within the same year. i aint said something was going to happen in 1999 and then 15 years later you are still waiting. what does that tell you ? i know the year. all i was doing was fine tuning the month and day. however this is it now. no turning back. before nov 22 and more than likely november 17 will be a date to pay attention to. no turning back now. THE DATE IS SET

If nothing happens after November 12th, you would eat the pie of humility, apologize and put an end to this madness. Do you concur?

sukkot:
keep an eye out for november 17th. november 22 is not too long now. its only 6 days from now. keep an eye on november 17 though. strong readings for that day. but i still got till november 22 so lets not get too excited

This game of push back is getting boring.

I'm an atheist but I'd be very frank here.
One thing special about Christians is their undying devotion to their delusion. So, I don't think you were ever a Christian. At least, you've come to the realization that you and you alone is responsible for your outcomes in life..good for you.

Ishilove:
Was it god you typed, or 'dog'?

Provoked dyslexia, Ishi.
I feel really sorry for this lot..really sorry.

2prexios:
I think you are more tyrannical than dog or god if you have to insult the belief and commiserate with the dead at the same time. We always resemble our worst enemy, because we will be worst if we are in their stead.

No need for the philosophical discourse. I wasn't insulting anyone or anything. I simply was commenting on the inability of this god to protect it's worshippers.

Rest on, O Deceased!
This doG can't even protect his worshippers. It's a crying shame.

First of all, I hope you know stealing is a "sin". Do well to credit the author of any intellectual property.
1) I'm tired of telling this to nitwit theists but I'd do it one more time. Atheists are not evolutionists. I, personally, know very little about evolution neither do I care to know more than I already do.
Also, stop lying for Jesus. Darwin never recanted the theory. He only apologized for causing Christians excessive butthurt. Have you no respect for the memory of the dead?
You also need to go back to high school. Humans didn't evolve directly from monkeys. I hope you do not embarrass yourself about this any further.
2) Science is quite young. The Big Bang is correct about the evolution of the universe certainty about the origins are unclear at this time. However, I'd rather stick with the opinions of the lab coat guys who painstakingly research to acquire, verify and utilize accurate information than a book written by Jewish Cavemen and containing all sorts of absurdities with no substantiation other than a threat of eternal damnation for the use of common sense.
3) This one is truly annoying. I've got a Batman cape. It's proof of the existence of the dark knight. Of course, that shouldn't even be in contention because the existence of Batman is well documented. Silly.
4) In the human female, a fertilized egg can
implant into the fallopian tube , cervix or ovary
rather than the uterus causing an ectopic
pregnancy. The existence of a cavity between
the ovary and the fallopian tube could indicate a
flawed design in the female reproductive
system. Prior to modern surgery, ectopic
pregnancy invariably caused the deaths of both
mother and baby. Even in modern times, in
almost all cases, the pregnancy must be
aborted to save the life of the mother.
In the human female, the birth canal passes
through the pelvis. The prenatal skull will
deform to a surprising extent. However, if the
baby ’s head is significantly larger than the
pelvic opening, the baby cannot be born
naturally. Prior to the development of modern
surgery ( caesarean section ), such a
complication would lead to the death of the
mother, the baby or both. Other birthing
complications such as breech birth are
worsened by this position of the birth canal.
In the human male, testes develop initially
within the abdomen. Later during gestation, they
migrate through the abdominal wall into the
scrotum. This causes two weak points in the
abdominal wall where hernias can later form.
Prior to modern surgical techniques,
complications from hernias, including intestinal
blockage, gangrene , etc., usually resulted in
death. [7]
The existence of the pharynx, a passage used
for both ingestion and respiration , with the
consequent drastic increase in the risk of
choking .
The breathing reflex is stimulated not directly by
the absence of oxygen but rather indirectly by
the presence of carbon dioxide. A result is that,
at high altitudes, oxygen deprivation can occur
in unadapted individuals who do not
consciously increase their breathing rate.
Oxygenless asphyxiation in a pure-nitrogen
atmosphere has been proposed as a humane
method of execution that exploits this
"oversight".
The human appendix is a vestigial organ with
no known purpose. [ citation needed ] However,
appendicitis, an infection of this useless organ,
is a certain death without medical intervention.
Absolutely perfect (Credit- Wikipedia).
5) Another lie for Jesus. There is no reliable scientific study affirming the efficacy of any form of prayers. Feel free to prove me wrong. Meanwhile, the One Million Dollar
Paranormal Challenge is still open. Prove that you actually possess any extraterrestrial power and strike gold. Your pastor is welcome to try as well.

Kicka*s coming through....

UyiIredia:
with all these said don't repeat the worn out mantra of atheism not being a belief.

Uyi my man, I think it's quite simple. Lack of something can not be a type of that thing. Bald hair is not an hair colour.

Sunymoore:
This will do
https://www.nairaland.com/1199142/what-stand-gain-being-atheist

I guess this thread adequately replied you then.

Often religious people talk about how much their
faith enriches their lives. Sometimes, a religious
person will even ask atheists what we can offer
that will enrich lives. In the market place of ideas
this seems like a fair question. What does atheism
have to offer?
It should be noted that while this seems like a fair
question, it is a little misleading. Atheism isn’t an
idea in the market place of ideas in and of itself.
Atheism is the lack of belief in the ideas presented
by religion in the market place. However, many
atheists have formed communities around ideas of
skepticism, humanism, science, reason, and logic.
These ideas can compete with religious ideas in
the market place of ideas.
None of the communities of atheism offer certainty.
We can’t know with absolute certainty that the sun
will rise tomorrow but based on the evidence, it
would be a pretty solid bet. While religion does
often offer the stability of certainty as a selling
point atheism can only offer uncertainty. However,
the uncertainty that science and reason offer is
almost certainly more certain than the certainty
that religion offers. We know what we know and we
know what we don’t know. Religion claims to know
what they do not actually know. They are often
certain of proven wrong answers.
Religions often make claims about a life after death
and traditionally, these claims feature some form of
paradise. Whether such a paradise merely is the
promise of a blissful eternity or includes details
such as 72 virgins is not really important. The
important part is the contrast that atheism cannot
offer such a paradise. The evidence suggests that
when we die, we are dead . As depressing as that
might sound to someone expecting an eternity of
bliss, I don’t see it that way. Many atheists like me
see our lives as part of a greater tapestry of
human history and as long as that tapestry exists,
part of each of us lives on. We are part of
something larger than ourselves.
Another popular and attractive claim of religions is
that we as a species have been created for some
sort of special purpose and God has a special plan
for each of us as individuals. In other words, we
are special because we were created special. Most
atheists reject this claim on the lack of evidence.
However, there is an alternative view that we can
offer. That is the view that we were not created
special, but that we are becoming special through
our ability to reason and learn about the world
around us. Being special isn’t some cheap gift
from a divine creator, but rather it is something
that we are in the process of earning through
struggle and because we are smart and clever.
Atheism offers the one thing that religion cannot
offer, reality. Critical thinking offers the tools
needed to protect ourselves from delusions.
Atheism offers the potential that can only come
through uncertainty. Atheism offers the individual
empowerment to add to the tapestry of humanity.
By enriching our lives and the lives of those
around us, we are enriching the future of humanity.
Atheists don’t need to dogmatically follow some
ancient book when we have the ability to shape the
future of our species. We can learn from the past
and apply what we learn to the future, but we don’t
live and long for the past when we can offer the
future.
Source- http://www.examiner.com/article/atheism-101-what-does-atheism-have-to-offer

I've been opportune to meet a few persons from this group and to them I'm very grateful indeed.
To the supplementary candidates, I know it's hard but patience is a virtue. Please, be patient. Good news is on it's way.

asudan:
1.Thy kingdom come, O God,
Thy rule, O Christ, begin
Break with thine Iron rod
The tyrannies of sin

Jesus has an iron rod? No wonder the girls love him.

This is prolly a dude starved of affection.
To our lady folks, learn to show some love even if you don't eventually date, you'd have saved someone from depression.

0xladee24:
@zidik how reliable is dis info about d mbbs accreditation abeg l need ur reply

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