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sirlop1:
See who is talking. U have shown me how unintelligent u are.u were singing useless praises of someone we know has no other source of income apart from defrauding gullible individuals like u. U are talking of CV... who has dropped his CV here? I think u are really confused. U have been talking rubbish on this forum. Since I knew u, u haven't made any reasonable contribution. U always contradict urself. I never said all pastors are idle. We know majority of them depend solely on their members.They centre their preaching around prosperity. They even organise dollar service. Many are being misled. Some even tell u to come the way u are. If u go to those churches, u see people dressed in night club attires. They tell fools what they want to hear just to get something from them. Nobody can deceive God.I pray u receive sense.

Wit all ur so called wisdom, wat have u done for d growth of God's kingdom? Wat impact have u made in Christianity? How many persons have ur wisdom led to Christ?
People like u think dat wat a Christian wants to hear is, "give" while d opposite is d case. They like hearing dnt give. Only extraordinary Christians give so much. Average or baby Christians like u hate giving. If u think its easy try and give.
I dnt care wat u said i will keep sponsoring d spread of d gospel with my money. U can cry me a river i dnt care. Meanwhile d day u come to my church u wont even see a space to park ur mercedez benz

menxer:
Does it mean a "Christian" like you can't share in an argument without resorting to insults?

So according to your spiritual sight, how would God achieve what he wanted on earth without human agency?

Who is the devil assigned to do God's work?

If u are an atheist d word spiritually blind, deaf and dumb shudnt mean anything to u. Its never an insult to call an atheist son of devil because he doesn't believe in any of those things. So be a true atheist u re.
I carefully choose my words.
It will be a waste of time arguing upandan with an atheist. I prefer physical approach because it gives me d opportunity to look into his eyes and command d devil of spiritual blindness to go

menxer:
@bolded, you don't understand what sacrifice means?
How can he "died as sacrifice"?
Meaning he killed himself?

Anything that is sacrificed is killed by another.

OK, without the lepers, would that prophecy be fulfilled? Same with Judas or whoever that would have opted to play that role.

I sense am talking with a spiritually dead man, AKA unbeliever.
I dnt expect u to understand anything because d word of God says u re spiritually blind, deaf and dumb, no understanding.

menxer:
@bolded, you don't understand what sacrifice means?
How can he "died as sacrifice"?
Meaning he killed himself?

Anything that is sacrificed is killed by another.

OK, without the lepers, would that prophecy be fulfilled? Same with Judas or whoever that would have opted to play that role.

D fulfillment of dat prophecy was not dependent on d lepers d same way d death of Jesus was not dependent on Judas.
If God needs a man to leave d earth, and u go and kill dat man, bro u d blood will be on ur head even though u wud think dat u helped God achieve dat purpose. D job is for d devil and if u allow d devil use u, u will answer for it

NOETHNICITY:
Thank u sir, and do ve a beautiful sunday.

U re blessed

ReubenE:
I'm a christian of course, and it's not about logic.
It is we humans that are over sensitive to this Judas issue...that is my take

I am not sensitive to Judas issue. I have read d entire Deut, Lev and numbers. If u read those areas of d bible u will have a million and one questions to ask about God. But as i said before watever God chooses not to reveal to u. Leave it alone.

NOETHNICITY:
and I tot Jesus, as portrayed by Christians, wud never curse a fellow, let alone one who helped hasten an heavenly predestined event.

I quoted a Christian. Check back on dat post u will find out dat i clearly said dat it will sound foolish to d unbeliever because he is in darkness, blind to see and deaf to understand. So i got nothing to say to a spiritually deaf man

I will go wit blackmail for the truly annointed ones.
D day devil sees u as a threat dats d day he will unleash every weapon in his arsenal to destroy u.
But for a drunkard and smoker and sinner, they are already in d devil's pocket and he tosses him anytime he wants so no need to fight him.
For a cool and calm Christian, he is no threat to d kingdom of darkness so d devil does not fight him much. But d day u liberate one soul from d kingdom of darkness dats d day u will feel a bit of wat pastors feel

Very true.
But not going to Church is also d surest way to loose ur salvation.
because d simplest way Devil can succeed in getting u is to isolate u from d gathering of d saints.
St Paul advised Christians not to be as foolish as those who forsake d gathering of d righteous

menxer:
@bolded, how? By suicide or old age, I guess?

He died as a sacrifice. Joel, Isaiah, David, Jeremiah all gave their prophecies about his death. But not one of dem mentioned dat he would be betrayed by Judas.
For example God said dat d economic situation of Israel would turn around in 24hrs but it was still d lepers dat made their own deliberate choice to go and look for food in d camp of d enemies.
Judas made his choice.
D bible says God is not unjust and dat is final for me

ReubenE:
The question is, by what means?
He could not have died a natural death, because the purpose for the death was meant to be a sacrifice.

Whether Judas stole from the purse is just one of the many sins we all commit, and is not enough to write him off.
Mind you, when Christ died, his death also washed away the sins of Judas....I believe!

For me, the man only carried out a divine assignment whether good or bad, because someone needed to do the job.

As the OP rightly opined, some of the characters in the bible that we so much respect, did equally despicable things that were not divinely ordained or programmed. Yet we adore them, we wish to be like them.

I think we should give Judas a break....

U spoke like a Christian. So i will address u directly as a Christian in words dat will be foolishness to unbelievers.
Jesus cursed Judas wen he said WOE UNTO THE MAN........... and for dat Judas remains cursed to me. I take d words of Jesus d way it is without applying any logic

oruma19:
1.pls can u make a reference in d Bible where Judas stole from d purse,? 2. Y do pple die for the sins of their fathers when obviousl they are not the committers of such sins? Judges 19:1- end

John 12:4-6
Did u also read in Ezekiel 18:20 where God said he will no more lay d sins of d father upon d sons?
Rom 8:1 therefore now, there is NO CONDEMNATION.
D day one gets born again u become a son of God. U re disconnected from every wrong ur father had done

YelloweWest:
Was David a priest collecting tithes and offerings??

A priest is different from a prophet.
How did David get his wealth?
Den do u know d financial status of d pastor u re criticizing before he became a pastor?
Do u know d business he runs?
Why do people like u always think dat wenever u see a wealthy pastor den it must be offering or tithe?
U may be surprised dat man owns mega businesses but h are myopic on dat area just because he is a pastor?
My pastor about 9yrs ago was a bank Manager. So tell me wat i dnt know.

sirlop1:
No wonder. Keep aspiring to be like ur mentors. Don't work hard for ur daily bread. Wait for people to pay tithe to u. As for the scripture, u have chosen one side which is prosperity and left the other side (salvation). It shows u are not from God. God sent us to go and preach the gospel of salvation and not of prosperity. Hungry people see any thing concerning the church as money spinning venture. As I said, I pray u are saved.

If u re one of those dat think dat true Christians dnt work hard den shame on u. One of my pastors is a top manager in Chevron. U dnt even know my personality. Bro i dnt drop my CV in public but one thing for sure is dat u dnt talk like someone near my level.
D day u truly understand d word of God u will know dat laziness is a sin. because God's word will make u go all out for success. A man whose dream is to pay d fees of 10kids who are not his blood will never be lazy. A man whose dream is to sponsor missionaries to far distant countries would never be lazy.
Its wen ur only responsibility is u ur family and u and u dnt see beyond dat, dat is wat i call irresponsibility

YelloweWest:
David was a king o. Not prophet

David was a prophet. He was also a king. Many events in d new testament was prophesied by David. Check Acts 3. So even though he was king, he was also a prophet but not "THE PROPHET" of his time. I hope u understand wat dat means

Soon people who has otobo as their role models would start showing up. A stripper is always a stripper. No matter how hard d devil tried, he will not succeed. The church will keep marching on

sirlop1:
There u go.. I am an entrepreneur and my role models are self made billionaires not Demi god's that u call pastors that have succeeded in brainwashing gullible fools like u. U go about singing praises to mortals like u. He goes on private jet, drives exotic cars and still he does nothing apart from working on ur useless psyche. I pray God liberates u from this bondage.

An who is interested in seeing ur CV. Yes i will sing their praises because one of dem found me, raised me up in God's word which helped me rise to d level i am today. U can be watever u want to be, but where i am today i live a very comfortable life. A life i couldnt have gotten if one of the pastors u open ur mouth and criticize didnt nurture me in God's word.
U think u know God and yet u have not made reference to one single scripture all u do is to blab blab and reblab. Dat same God said dat if u dnt receive d kingdom of God like a kid (gullible, foolish in d eyes of men) u will not enter into dat kingdom

indoorscholar:
In the gathering of hundreds, they must be a fool. A fool at last presents himself

If dats all d wisdom u got den u are a disgrace to ur lineage. Anyway poverty stinks, and u re stinking right now.

Wat a role model to children of hatred. Immediately he says one bad thing about any pastor u will come and see foools shouting everywhere ride on role model.

sirlop1:
Who is poor?? I am not a church rat like u who has no job other than following these prosperity preachers that have only succeeded in brainwashing u. Keep whiling away ur time. Unless u find something meaningful to do, ur condition will never change. U see nothing wrong in stupidity. I pity ur lineage.

Poverty brings frustration and frustration can hardly be hidden. U sound like someone beset and sorrounded by poverty. If not u wont be exhibiting pain wen u see a wealthy person. Poverty is a sickness get well soon

willibounce1:
What is this one saying? Do you know how much some people pay as tithe? So you think everyone is like you who pay 5k tithe. You haven't heard about someone paying 42million naira tithe.

I guess u dnt know wat average means.
Before u quote me again try and get d meaning of average from d dictionary.

sirlop1:
Keep on displaying ur stupidity. I pity ur brain

U are actually d one who is stupidly ignorant. U have not made a single point. Why dnt u learn not to stick ur nose where u dnt know anything. U can languish in mendicancy but d God i serve is not a poverty-embracing God. If d prosperity of a pastor pains u dat much den go to hell and meet ur father d devil there

Wen they decided to blackmail the only pastor who spoke up against d killings Christians were all over d place helping dem to bring dan down instead of standing by him and picking up he momentum to fight against this.
Until we unite as Christians they will continue endangering us. Until we stop answering Catholics, anglicans, redeemed, winners etc. We are endangered

donbenie:
So,in other words the be all and end all of your religion is PROSPERITY?..Whatever happened to SALVATION..
Remind me again,how RICH and Flashy was YOUR Saviour during his time on Earth..
The Gospel of Prosperity has brainwashed many..If I may ask what's the purpose of the red carpet?

Those rich pastors go to their programs if u can number d people dat give their lives to Christ den know dat am no Christian. Some nights they win more dan 3000 souls
If angels celebrate over one soul tell me why God wont prosper dem

mcmurphy132:
look at ur self pastor will tell you that holy spirit will guide you and he is guided by security operative.. I refuse to be a fool..

Yeah Jesus was guarded by men who carried swords so they only take after d steps of our God

Shafiiimran99:
What u r tryin to say is that u will never listening to a preacher like Jesus because has no house according to Bible and he never preach about prosperity unlike today's men of gods

Jesus was so wealthy dat men of importance dined with him
He was so wealthy dat Judas stole from d treasury and other disciples didnt notice.
Wen Jesus needed money he commanded it from d mouth of a fish.
Wen Jesus needed a colt, he went for d new unused one, wen he wanted to, eat d last supper he went for d upper room.
Jesus clothe was so costly dat soldiers(world power ar dat time) casts lots for his clothes.
Now tell me how poor Jesus was?

YelloweWest:
Don't interpret what u are not sure of.

Was Abraham and David livites or prophets??

There are many men who were very rich and lived in luxury in the bible, were any of them Prophets?? Hmmm

David was a prophet (pls before u start dragging go and check wat it means to be a prophet)
I will tell u people of God dat were very rich and dat pastor is also a child of God.
The bible says d husband man is the first partaker now tell me why God will prosper his people under him without prospering him?
Who owns silver gold and who is the owner of the world? Tell me why d owner of d world would starve his children?
Wen Jesus said anything u ask in my name i will do it did he say except wealth?
Pls quote d scriptures wen u answer me

czarr:
before he opened the church why wasn't he rich? Or you still think they give tithes and offerings directly to God?

David was just a shepherd before Samuel annointed him and after dat he became mega rich.
Now tell me where David and solomon's wealth came from

9jakohai:
The gospel is not spread by displays of wealth, but by the power of God.

As Jesus said....

But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

See for example in the Book of Acts, when Peter spoke to Cornelius. Cornelius was of a higher social standing than Peter, and was far far richer than Peter....yet because of the Power that Peter recieved....he was able to speak the truth of the Word to Cornelius, and Cornelius was saved.Not because Peter was a rich man, and displayed his wealth to Cornelius.

The Gospel is being spread in China...and many of those spreading it are not rich people, and some,because of the communist polic/system running that country are going to jail. But what spreads the gospel is the POWER of The Holy Spirit, not displays of wealth.(Saudi is very hostile to the Gospel....even to the point that christian tourists are not allwed to bring in their bibles).

Wealth is perishable,but our inheritance in Christ is not perishable.

PS I would very much like to be rich, but even more so, I prefer to become more and have God be the Lord of all my affairs...including work.

It took money to bring d gospel to africa. I dnt mean people will see how much u have and believe No. I mean to break the airwaves and dominate satelites and get d gospel into peoples home in saudi etc will take money.
I have many inheritance in Christ and it includes prosperity

sirlop:
Just shut up

Says a man who has nothing to say Cry me a river. Are u from d tribe of blind bartemous shut up?

Shafiiimran99:
Wc means u r serving moni

D word of God always work. If it works in my spiritual life, it will work on my health, it will work in my family, it will workk on my finances. Psalm 1:1-3
So if u want to preach to me make sure d word of god has worked for u

9jakohai:
'The Abrahamic covenant (Gen. 12, 15, 17, 22) is one of the theological bases of the prosperity gospel. It’s good that prosperity theologians recognize much of Scripture is the record of the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant, but it’s bad that they don’t maintain an orthodox view of this covenant. They incorrectly view the inception of the covenant; more significantly, they erroneously view the application of the covenant.

In his book Spreading the Flame (Zondervan, 1992), Edward Pousson stated the prosperity view on the application of the Abrahamic covenant: “Christians are Abraham’s spiritual children and heirs to the blessings of faith. . . . This Abrahamic inheritance is unpacked primarily in terms of material entitlements.” In other words, the prosperity gospel teaches that the primary purpose of the Abrahamic covenant was for God to bless Abraham materially. Since believers are now Abraham’s spiritual children, we have inherited these financial blessings. As Kenneth Copeland wrote in his 1974 book The Laws of Prosperity, “Since God’s covenant has been established and prosperity is a provision of this covenant, you need to realize that prosperity belongs to you now!”

To support this claim, prosperity teachers appeal to Galatians 3:14, which refers to “the blessings of Abraham [that] come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus.” It’s interesting, however, that in their appeals to Galatians 3:14 these teachers ignore the second half of the verse: “that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.” Paul is clearly reminding the Galatians of the spiritual blessing of salvation, not the material blessing of wealth.'

Source: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/5-errors-of-the-prosperity-gospel

John 6 vs 25-27

When they found Him on the other side of the sea, they asked Him, “Rabbi, when did You get here?” Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, it is not because you saw these signs that you are looking for Me, but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. Do not work for food that perishes, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For God the Father has placed His seal of approval on Him.”…

Hahaha i feel ur pain bro. Get rich soon den u will know dat wealth is from God.
Tell me how d gospel will get to saudi arabia, china etc without money. Eccl says d voice of a poor man is not heard