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Did u see KANU with any gunman?

Who told u he killed those police and army

SIRmanjar:
Im be like say u do night vigil untop this thread..Dem don school u finish use u dey catch Cruz.U still dey here dey form intellect.Abi dem swear give u?

These are pictures of ancient Nubia and kush before and when they mingled with Egypt..Some of them moved around semi unclad becose they were comfortable with it not becos they weren't civilized.In fact they were more brilliant than the hykso,Assyria controlled Egypt in terms of astrology, medicine, architecture, agriculture and co

SIRmanjar:
Im be like say u do night vigil untop this thread..Dem don school u finish use u dey catch Cruz.U still dey here dey form intellect.Abi dem swear give u?

Are u still quoting that guy..He argues for a living,except maybe u want to while away time with him.
Ancient Nubians and kush were semi clad.The ones that were fully clad were the ones that mingled with the Egyptians the period thehyksos from the east conquered and ruled Egypt.

Below are sculptures of ancient Nubian Candace and kings that ruled Nubia,before they later mingled with Egypt ruled hyksos.They influenced Egypt and Egypt influenced them

BOOZELEE:
Omo I am seeing something that look like android phone on the hand of that statue.. So Yoruba's discovered android phone?

Na true ooo..I just look well see am now.I be think say na dildoo

TAO11:
The pool tears (veiled with dry humour) are understandably valid.


(1) Thermoluminescence test dates that image to circa 700 — 1000 years ago.

In other words, the Yoruba have an understanding of clothing many, many centuries ago; while their Igbo counterparts were still swinging n@ked from tree to tree in as recent as 200 years ago.

(2) Agbada usage in Yorubaland didn’t date to circa 700 — 1000 years ago, and I can’t remember any Yoruba saying that.

My point have consistently been that (and I challenge you to show where I said otherwise) that the Yorubas’ agbada usage must have been at some later period in the course of our cultural evolution. I also maintain that it wasn’t borrowed from the Hausas, contrary to your brother’s false, unsubstantiated claim.

Cheers!

This guy self..Im be like say u wan build house die untop this thread.When them don finish u with fact.

Person wey dey boast of textile change mouth sharp sharp when dem catch am

TAO11:
https://www.nairaland.com/6624267/how-igbos-lived-olden-days/8#103211833

I can imagine the liters of tears you shed as you typed this. LMAO!

Did you skip basic English classes to have come to this understanding of the word “unclad”? LMAO!

Also, regarding “changed mouth” — you know what to do if you wish to be taken seriously on this.

And I think you wish to be taken seriously. So, do the needful.

In other words, provide comparative evidence of my comment in relation to which I have now “cHaNgEd mOuTh”.

Yeah one thousand years ago, we tied wrappers (and evolved other styles later in the course of time).

1,000 years ago, Igbos swing n@ked from tree to tree. In fact, Igbos we’re still n@ked only 200 years ago.

Cheers!

Is this statue of ur oni not semi clad?But u were bragging of how u guys wore cloth before Adam,the Nubians,kushuites and co.Now u changed it to 1000years.Sorry o

KAHBOOM:
See how them king tie wrapper hold palm wine horn with im bare chest like palm wine tapper.Im come here dey brag with cloth and agbada wey dem copy from northerners

Hahahahaha..Nice one

U just gave him another knockdown..which other proof does he want again


Probably the guy don go dig out sculpture of oni were im were jeans,polo and money jacket with sunglasses.So im go claim say na Yoruba's invent modern dressing.

Clown

KAHBOOM:
See how them king tie wrapper hold palm wine horn with im bare chest like palm wine tapper.Im come here dey brag with cloth and agbada wey dem copy from northerners

Hahahahaha..Nice one

U just gave him another knockdown..which other proof does he want again


Probably the guy don go dig out sculpture of oni were im were jeans,polo and money jacket with sunglasses.So im go claim say na Yoruba's invent modern dressing.

Clown

BOOZELEE:
Guy agbada and other form of dressing have been in existence 700,1000 years ago even before the 700,1000 years
So if Yoruba's were among the earliest civilization back then and if they wore dresses after the 700,1000 years that means they evolved lately and copied agbada and other form of dressing from thier neighbours.Simple

Leave that snake abeg..he was boasting of how his tribe discovered cloth before Adam.U gave him a nice example of the unclad art work on his dp he changed mouth to 700,1000 years ago bla bla.As if dressing didn't exist before then.Clown

TAO11:
In addition to my foregoing comment, I have already cited you the eyewitness documentation of Frobenius.

He travelled through parts of West Africa and noted that the Yoruba have the best architecture from the 1800s and early 1900s.

Cheers!

Cc: theFilmtric

Im don dey change mouth. Lols

TAO11:
Dig? Lol.

These are basic stuffs. You are clearly meeting me for the first time.

This proves my point again.

In the mid/late-1900s when those materials were already available, Igbos were still stuck with mud, stick and leaf for shelter.

Mid/late-1900s!! What a shame on the Igbo race!!

IF you show me an ancient Igbo building, I will do the same.

You can’t provide me with photographs of best Igbo structures from the 1900s, and the request in the same breath that I provide you with photographs of the best Yoruba structures from the 1800s.

Does that even make sense to you?

What you call ancient Igbo buildings are from photos taken in the mid/late-1900s. (See the first two attachments)

While what you call recent Yoruba buildings are also from photos taken in the mid/late-1900s. (See the last two attachments).

The same period, yet one looks feeble and uninspiring; while the other looks modern and recent.

That’s the whole point I was making. Thanks for making my point.

No, we’re didn’t invent zinc. I was embarrassing you with the gap between Yoruba and Igbos during the same period.

Your best Igbo structures (attached by your brother) were from the 1900s.

I also attached our Yoruba structures also from the 1900s (the same period) just to highlight the gap.

If you request photograph of best Yoruba structures from the 1800s, then you must provide photographs of best Igbo structures also from the 1800s.

You can’t provide Igbo-1900s, and expect Yoruba-1800s for comparison.

To request such double standard is to be admitting already that the Yorubas are superior to your people.

Cheers!

U still dey qoute me?

The op showed u pictures already so no need to start digging up pictures. He showed u ancient and new pics..If u observe the pics closely u will notice that some recent structures were built with zinc roof..Zinc roof wey u dey use chest beat say na only Yoruba's get access to.Smh for u

U are chest beating that u guys have the best ancient architectural design in west Africa I said u should show me pics u go carry 60s pics come here dey bang ur chest.

I am talking ancient u are talking 60s.

TAO11:
If you had taken the time to trace back my comment on this thread to its beginning, you would have noticed that I am responding to the aspect which specifically mentioned Yoruba.

Had your brother(s) not mentioned Yoruba (and simply lied continuously about Igbo and Igbo only), then I would have left you all to do as you please.

If u no show me una magnificent ancient building Ogun go punish u..I dey wait u

Abi u wan go dig out one skyscraper picture?Hahahaha

TAO11:
(1) If not for the fact that you type faster than you think, you would have read what I typed and seen the images I attached.

You would have realized how the mid/late-1900s Igbo structures attached by your brother is a huge disgrace on ndi-Igbo.

Now go back to my attachment and take a look at the mid/late-1900s Yoruba structures and come back here to tell me if you won’t drown in tears for ndi-Igbo.

Show me an image of the ruin of Benin walls, the only wall ruin that I’m aware of in southern Nigeria is the Eredo in Ijebu land.

Cheers!

Hahahaha

So u went online to dig out this stuff.

U must be slow in reasoning...Is that not zinc roof and cement wall i am seeing there introduced to Africans by Europeans.
Olodo rapata

Show ancient building im go dey show me recent building.

Oh I don forget Yoruba's invented zinc roof before kahl friedrich schincel. Hahahaha

U nor get talk abeg..u just fully exposed ur dumbness

TAO11:
There wasn’t anything called photograph in ancient times. Did you know that?

And where did you get the idea from that Nupe is Yoruba?

I can only imagine how soaked in tears you are right now now.

Since your problem have now been reduced to English disability, I will quote Frobenius’ actual words again, and then dumb down the English for you:

“Leaving out of account for the moment a few particular compounds, altogether exceptional in their character, held by princelings in Nupé, it may, I think, be said that no province in the western half of Africa can show finer lines in its general architecture than Yoruba.”

~ L. Frobenius, “Voice of Africa,” page 153

To dumb down this foregoing BiG gRaMmEr for you, L. Frobenius is saying that:

“Only a few Nupé compounds are magnificent.

If we set aside these few Nupé compounds, only the Yorubas (of all the peoples in the west of Africa) have better architecture than the Nupé.”

Let that sink in for a second, before you let the tears out.

Perhaps ancient structures which survived to the present-day because they were stone-built, rather adobe-built.

You’re clearly a dunce.

The images attached by your brother are buildings photographed in the mid/late-1900s. [See the 1st attachment below].

Does your brain NOT tell you there are no photographs in ancient times?

Does your brain NOT tell you that a structure built of adobe or wood from ancient times can not survive up to the 1900s — to have been captured by photograph?

In fact, you should be ashamed for the Igbo race that those are the best buildings that ndi Igbos can boast of from the mid/late-1900s.

If I show you the best Yoruba structures from the same period as your brother’s best Igbo structures, i.e. from the mid/late 1900s, you will weep for the Igbo race.

Anyways, I will show it to you so you can weep. See attached. (2nd and 3rd attachments).

Cheers!
Cc: theFilmtric

See me see this Nama o

No picture in ancient time?Oya show me ruins na..Great wall of Bini ruins still dey till today.well documented in pictures.

We have seen ancient pyramids and houses built by semi clad nubians in pictures,Old and new pictures and Some still exist till today.

We have seen Mosques and houses built by the dogons in pictures and some still exist till today.

Old igbo houses are in pictures.

Why una own come dey exceptional..Abi na only una see wetin una build.Hahaha

Show us let's see the magnificent architecture and compare it with others..lols

U dey show me quote of one white man wey I no know without proof to back wetin im talk.

[quote author=TAO11 post=103205805][/quote]Olodo show us the Yoruba ancient magnificent structure na?lols

Is nupe Yoruba

But ancient magnificent structures thatz still standing till now can be found in Mali and co.

I won't respond to ur textile nonsense cos u are still yarning same old dust.

Mr op even showed u ancient Igbo structures and how neat and and organized they were... Abeg show us any picture of the Yoruba magnificent building let's campare it with others.If not dont qoute me again cos u are trying to hold on to straws.

TAO11:
Notice how you crumbled in the face of evidence and superior ratiocination:

When the proofs hit hard, a dunce tries to escape with a dry joke.

Yes, the IFE monopoly of glass bead fabrication in sub-Saharan Africa circa 1,000 years ago is not just civilization but a high point of civilization.

I bet you have no clue, in this age, how coral beads are manufactured — let alone how glass beads are fabricated in Ife circa 1,000 years ago.

And the following are the other indices of the Yoruba civilization which I listed, and which seem to be driving you insane:


(1) The best architectural feat found in West Africa.

(2) The best classical artworks (in diverse media) from sub-Saharan Africa.

(3) The knowledge and use of textile/clothing since the classical/ancient times.

(4) The knowledge/presence of street paving in Ife (and other parts of Yorubaland) over 1,000 years ago.


(5) The innovation of a social-order based on a self-evolved government system now known as monarchy.

Among several others, such as writing (as evidenced on the ancient Oranmiyan obelisk); the best bow-men in Africa (as noted by Clapperton’s team); shiny walls (in relation to which the best from Benin could not come close in comparison, as may be seen in H.L. Roth); etc.

May be, may be not.

But whichever is the specific case here, you have still failed to make a case for your earlier claim.

Your earlier claim was that: Agbada was originally borrowed from Hausas.

No! That’s an ignorant falsehood for which there is no substantive evidence whatsoever.


Yes, the most ancient Yoruba artworks dating to 7,00-1,000 years old shows that.

However, my point remains that tying wrapper (around the waist or shoulder) is a simpler & earlier form of Yoruba clothing — as seen in the 700-1000 years old artworks.

While, “agbada” is a more complex and later form of Yoruba clothing.

You are yet to provide any evidence whatsoever to back of your mere claim (an empty claim) that the Yorubas borrowed agbada from Hausa.

No, the Yorubas didn’t. Each of them evolved the use of agbada independent of one another. This is more reasonable and substantive than your empty claim.

No. I should tell you this. I have provided evidence and superior ratiocination. You have provided empty repetition without any evidence whatsoever. Get a grip.


If lying to yourself helps you sleep well at night, then lie on.

Anyways, thanks for being the reason why I educated you and others today.

It was good doing business with you.

Cheers!
Cc: theFilmtric

Ur granny dunce

Lier....When it comes to the best architecture in west africa give it to the westernmost west Africans like Mali,gambia,burkinafaso, Ghana(ancient Ghana) not todays ghana and Senegal.

Look I don't have time to reply all the crap u wrote.

All ur yoruba's have the best architecture,street bla bla bla.

Infact U guys discovered textile,u tot god how to wear cloth.

I have told u wot I told u...ur ancestors tied wrapper..And semi clad cultures like the nubians,cushites and co were more civilized than there arab neigbours..So get lost

And Pls don't thank me for educating u.

TAO11:
Listen to the dynamic of your tone.

Your initial tone: Yoruba has nothing to point or as an index of civilization.

I provided four different indices, you smelt the rat and, and changed your tone as follows:

Okay, okay, okay, you have art; but others too have art. And almost everyone of us got A-1 in art

My Remarks:
(1) I would have thought you will maintain your false energy that Yorubas having no index of civilization.

(2) Is there any reason why you dared not say a word regarding the other index of Yoruba civilization in my examples? Lol.

(3) Most importantly, NOT almost everyone of us got A-1 in arts.

Only the artworks of the Yoruba people were held in such high regards (by art historians) as being able to take a noble comparative stand beside the best ever evolved by the greatest civilizations of Europe, Asia, Egypt, etc.

I cited the words of the experts on this. Did you miss it by chance? Lol.

In sum, making art is not one and the same thing as making great art. The best out of sub-Saharan Africa remains the Yoruba’s arts.

Thank you for saying this.

But what you haven’t done is to adduce historical (or contemporary) evidence to prove your word.

It remains only a word of mouth — which is not to be taken seriously by any serious person — if it remains unsubstantiated.

Help yourself to be taken seriously.


Regarding your specific empty claim of Agbada being alien to Yorubas and having been borrowed from the Hausas; what you have successfully done here is to simply repeat yourself. Repetition is NOT proof.

I would wait patiently for you to adduce the historical evidence that proves your wishful words.

Until then, you have only written down words (most people can do that), but you haven’t substantiated your words in any way, shape, or form.

John the Baptist was the first person to fry dodo.

Does my mere writing (or repetition, or expatiation) of these words make it true?

I’m not sure why you thought I must help you with the answer to a question which you should be answering to help your own position.

But anyways to educate you, the Ooni tying a piece of textile around his shoulder has a ‘ritual’ significance.

And the Ooni doesn’t have to do that as frequent as it is been done by the present Ooni.

The past Ooni rarely does that. And the Ooni before the past one hardly does that.

Moreover, wearing agbada is not mutually exclusive to tying a piece of cloth around the shoulder. In fact, the Ooni does both every time he shows up with the cloth tied around his shoulder.

Having answered your question (which I didn’t have to answer), you seem not to realize how your so-called reasoning here demolishes your whole point.

Your claim (without evidence) is that Oyo borrowed agbada from Hausa.

In other words, Oyo had a different clothing style (the Yoruba style; which you insist was wrapper) prior to the agbada borrowing

In a similar vein, you insist that Ife and other Yorubas too used the wrapper prior to the borrowing.

Question:
How come then that OF all Yorubas (Oyo, Ife, Awori, Ekiti, et al.) who all used wrapper prior to the agbada adoption; only Ife retained “wrapper” despite having adopted agbada??

Why doesn’t the Alaafin and the other Yoruba kings also show up with “wrapper” [on their clothes] since they all used “wrapper” earlier??

If your reasoning is to be consistent, then the Alaafin and other Yoruba kings should also adorn wrapper [on top of their clothes] — just like the Ooni — since as you claimed, they all used “wrapper” prior to their agbada adoption.

Something else clearly explains the Ooni exception, and that is the spiritual significance of the Ooni’s style of clothing which he adorns on top of his agbada.

Inconsistency is a key indicator of a failed reasoning. Yorubas did not borrow their agbada from Hausas, as there is no substantive evidence to prove that.

The most reasonable explanation for which there is some proof is that each culture come to their respective use independently.

Of course cultural borrowing is a reality in every culture of the world. That’s not what I’m debunking here.

What I’m debunking here is your specific claim that the Yorubas borrowed their agbada usage from Hausa. No that’s ignorant.

Well, I simply debunked your lies and misinformation on Yoruba history/culture/civilization.

No, unclad tribes don’t run no great civilization. I have debunked your false innuendos on that in my foregoing comment.

Cheers!
Cc: theFilmtric

That u guys produce bead is what u call civilization.
Im be like say u don chop belle full this afternoon.


Alafin influenced and taught other Yoruba kings how to wear agbada.Talking of art work most Yoruba old artwork are always depicted as men without shirt on wrapper not agbada.

Infact U are free to believe whatever u wanna believe.Its a free world..I can't keep on lecturing u for free.Bye

TAO11:
(1) Binis more civilized than the Yorubas abi what did I just read? Lol.

You finally gave yourself away as a stark ignoramus. I empathize with you.

Anyways, I’d indulge you that you should help your own empty claim by naming one thing in which Bini was “mOrE CiViLiZeD” than Yorubas (or even remotely close to the Yorubas in civilization).

For each aspect of “civilization” you name (and prove) supposedly in favour of Binis over Yorubas, I would reply you with education — free of charge.

(2) Listen, there is a huge and massive difference between the following two things:

(A) A group of people among whom some chose to sometimes go about unclad despite living in a society which has come to the discovery of clothing, or widespread use of clothing.

(B) A group of people who have not yet evolved to the point of wearing clothes at all, or wearing it on a normal widespread scale.

The first instance here relates to the ancient Indian & ancient Egyptian examples you all cited.

The second instance here relates to the classical Igbo & classical Benin examples — at a period of time when their Yoruba counterparts have long evolved to the point of having come up with textile and clothing.


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In fact, one of the images attached by one of your own earlier on this thread shows a clothed person amidst the unclothed ladies. [See attached]

In sum, the knowledge of clothing is a classical index of civilization no matter how uncomfortable your unclothed history makes you feel. Get a grip.

Cc: theFilmtric

U are the ignoramus here.

Whether they wore cloth and decided to move around unclad the bottom line is that unclad people ran a civilization greater than there fully dressed neighbours.
Ur brother said that an unclad nation be it those that have cloth and decided not to wear it can't build a sophisticated civilization and we gave him proof that they did.
Una get sophisticated architecture?

Una get street light like binis?

Una get toilet like binis

Una dey do sanitation

Una get writing system

NAH! So why the noise about art work and cloth?

TAO11:
Two things “real quick”:

(1) What precise timeline(s) do you refer to when you say: “those days”?

In other words, your “argument” here collapses if your use of the phrase “those days” refers to two different historical timelines each for your Ife’s “wrapper,” and your Oyo’s “agbada”.

(2) In fact, your “those days” for Ife’s “wrapper” and for Oyo’s “agbada” refer to two completely different historical timelines.

One of them (the Ife’s “wrapper”) is centuries earlier than the other (the Oyo’s “agbada”).

Actually, all human clothings (Yoruba or non-Yoruba forms) have evolved from the more simplistic forms in the earlier times (e.g. “wrappers”, etc.); to the more complex forms (e.g. “agbada”, etc.) in the later times.

In other words, both your so-called “wrapper” & your “agbada” examples apply in Ife (but at different times). And both also apply in Oyo (but also at different times).

Actually, the Yorubas in Osun state (or Ife) wear agbada as well as tie wrapper.

I’m not sure where you got the idea from that they do one and not the other. Please substantiate your claim (of dichotomy) if you wish to be taken seriously.

Debunked above.

There is no substantive historical evidence for your ridiculous borrowing theory. It is that simple.

In fact, what is more realistic and supported by evidence is that that each of these two cultures adopted/evolved theirs independent of one another.

I guess the Igbos couldn’t defeat their own “weak neighbors,” but that’s by the way. Lol.

The IFE empire was the center of the Yoruba world (as well some non-Yoruba’s).

(1) From circa 500 CE, this Yoruba center (IFE) evolved rapid socio-political innovations such as the idea of a divine monarchical system of government alongside a unique system of urbanism which both became the basis of social order.

This urban structure appears to have trickled down to and become evident in its magnificent rchitecture even up to the early 1900s.


The German anthropologist Leo Frobenius who came to the region notes as follows:

“Leaving out of account for the moment a few particular compounds, altogether exceptional in their character, held by princelings in Nupé, it may, I think, be said that no province in the western half of Africa can show finer lines in its general architecture than Yoruba.”

(2) Archaeological excavation quests in Ife (and other Yoruba areas) have come to corroborate the Yoruba accounts which talks about street tiling or paving.

In fact, archaeology have come to date street tiling — one of the many features of Yoruba civilization — to at least as early as circa 900 CE.

The excavations conducted by F. Willett at Iya-Yemoo [as well as in some other parts of Ife] dates the Ita-Yemoo pavement to circa 960CE.

(3) Sometimes between circa 1000 CE and 1400 CE, Ile-Ife was the military power, the economic hub, and holiest center of much of the souther Guinea forest region.

Its military-cum-economic strength is based mainly on its technology of producing glass and glass beads [as well as iron and textile].

In fact, Ile-Ife was at that time the only place in the whole of sub-Saharan Africa known as an industrial centre for primary glass production.

(4) During roughly the same period, Ife produced the most unquestionably exotic sub-Saharan classical art.

These artworks were fashioned using different media viz. stone, iron, quartz, terracotta, and “bronze” among others.

Some professional remarks on the Ife artworks are as follows:

(A) “[They] would stand comparison with anything which Ancient Egypt, Classical Greece and Rome, or Renaissance Europe had to offer".

~ Frank Willett, “Ife and Its Archaeology,” The Journal of African History, Vol. 1, No. 2 (1960), p. 239.

(B) “How, in a comparatively obscure corner of this vast and backward continent, could an art and a technique have flowered that take their stand beside the best ever evolved by the elaborate civilizations of Europe and Asia?"

~ W.R. Bascom, “The Illustrated London News,” (8 April 1939), p. 592.

(C) “These meagre relics were eloquent of a symmetry, a vitality, a delicacy of form directly reminiscent of ancient Greece and a proof that, once upon a time, a race, far superior in strain to the negro, had been settled here. Here was an indication of something unquestionably exotic and the existence of an extremely ancient civilization.”

~ L. Frobenius, “The Voice of Africa,” 1913, pp.88-89.

Cheers!

Cc: theFilmtric

U are chest banging with art

Art wey almost every Nigerian culture get A1

Every southern culture had and was producing every thing u mentioned up there.



Alafin Oyo wore agbada while Oni of ife tied wrapper at the same era not different eras even till now they do.
Agbada is alien to yorubas.Bini kings wore wrapper and bids same as every southern king.Before coming in contact with northerners alafin and Yoruba's in Oyo wore wrapper till he came in contact with Hausa's,Fulani's,Berbers,Nupes whom introduced him to agbada,horses and some other stuff.As alafin defeated and traded with other interior yoruba's down south he influenced them and they copied there way of life.
Why do u think the oni moves around with wrapper tied around his shoulder?For fashion or what.While alafin wear agbada and they are both Yoruba kings.
The one that claim to be the ancestor of all Yorubas tie wrapper while the one that migrated north wear agbada.
Some Yoruba's borrowed there culture from the tribe they mingled with.

Mind u the point of all this argument is not about Yoruba's but its about unclad or semi unclad tribes running great civilization.

theFilmtric:
I already trashed it


"India" is not an ethnic group
It has thousands of tribes


Which one was naked and built those spectacular buildings?

Shiver99 liar99

Bros go and rest na abi ain't u tired of bin knocked out?

How many proof do u want before ur eyes clear

theFilmtric:
I míght reply you later

Oga u have nothing to say go and wear ur northern borrowed trampoline called agbada.

Shiver99:
Haha , It's only in places like Nigeria where they believe that the amount of clothes you wear translates to civilisation. It's understandable due to the near century of European colonisation and influence but sometimes it's hard not to laugh.

Look at pictures of Ancient Indians below:

Hahahaha

Lols..U just knocked the guy out with fact
They don't know that the best ancient civilizations was ran by semi clad people.


I am still waiting for them to mention one thing that marvelled Europeans abt them.
Europeans be talk say dem dirtiness na nothing to write home about na why dem no write am

Every time u see them write things like u guys were unclad on tree tops while we were civilized.
Oya mention the civilization they are all quiet. Even binis that were more civilized than them were semi clad and they don't brag.
thebosstrevor1 come and see oo

theFilmtric:
@emboldend
I knew someone will say this

Can you prove it?
No cause it's false


I don't need to list the many developments in Yorubaland
You are no match

In those days does oni of ife wear agbada?yes or No?Ans is No...He tied wrapper even till now.

In those days does alafin of oyo wear agbada?yes or no?Ans-yes

Where did Yoruba's originate from?Ife.So why is it that oni of ife and yoruba's in osun the home of every Yoruba man tie wrapper.


So I give u the simple assignment to go and find out why alafin and Yoruba's that share border with the north wore agbada and why Yoruba's in osun,ekiti and ondo tied wrapper those days.

The northern Yoruba's taught the southern Yoruba's agbada wearing which they copied from there northern neighbours.From then till now they wear it.



And pls Mention Yoruba civilization na?
We dey wait

And please don't tell me of how u guys defeated ur weak neighbours..That's not civilization,even Rome was conquered by there barbaric Germanic neighbour

thebosstrevor1:
So can someone naked be more civilised than someone wearing clothes

Imagine you go to a town where everyone are naked and you are the only one wearing clothes, wouldn't you call those people illitrates and uncivilized?

Stop distorting history.

If they were so advanced and built a those things and have doctors and all the things you mentioned, how come they weren't able to think about making a cloth to cover their unclothedness??

Its obvious to me that u argue without fact but based on what u feel.U are not ready to learn and understand. Bye

theFilmtric:
My ansestors wore cloths of various styles and fashions as far as the 10th century
Maybe farther
But this is what is proven

Ok


The binis that tie only rapper can boast of the great wall of Bini and an organized spacious neat road with street light.

We have seen what Igbo's built and how they lived an organized neat life.

So I ask u..Ur ancestors that wore cloth what did they achieve in terms of architecture and invention?

One can imagine how dirty a Yoruba community was in those days

And mind u before u chest beat..Yoruba's imported wearing of cloth from there northern neighbours.

Blacks did not see clothing as civilization those days.. We just cover up a little and that's it.

thebosstrevor1:
Wearing of clothes is the first thing any civilised nation will do before others.

Do you know the meaning of civilization.

Aren't you civilised than the tribes not wearing clothes today.

How can you write that people who are naked are more civilised than people who were not, it is like writing that the society who invented bicycles are more innovative than the society who invented cars.

Is that not confusion and an attempt to distort history

Don't use that bicycle and car example

Arabs,isrealites,Berbers,tuaregs,arabs and co covered there body more than ancient Egyptians,Nubia,kush, and co but we blacks were more civilized.Infact civilization started from Lower Egypt.

They were richer, more organized, had more astrologer's,doctors,Scholers,wizards than they neighbours.They built advanced buildings like pyramids.They were more advanced,stronger and intelligent than there clothed neighbours.

So I don't know what ur own definition of civilization is.

theFilmtric:
Ancient

And yet 20th century igbos were naked


Who do una dis tin

See this black monkey feeling fly

Ur ancestors were the dumbest of all ancestors.

thebosstrevor1:
Cant you write without trying to diss other tribes and cultures to make igbos look good.

If i may add, you are writing like a manipulator, if i had not pointed out the naked dressing in the old igbo culture, you wouldn't have written about it or you would have said that igbos invented clothes.

Don't be an olodo

Eastern Africans did not wear cloth but were the most civilized of all blacks.Eg the Nubians,black kushites,shiluks and co.Those that later wore clothes amongst them were the arabized ones and those that were later defeated by the Axum's.

West African women didn't wear cloth but were civilized

South African women didn't wear cloth

Only north africans wore cloth.which they later introduced to there immediate southern neighbours who spread it down south.

Wearing of cloth those days should not be used to measure civilization.The Mayans,Aztec and co were not fully clothed but had one of the best civilization.

Shiver99:
The fact that Ancient Igbos covered less, didn't mean they went naked or didn't know what modesty was. It was just what they considered as unclothedness was different.

This is the mistake that for example, Mohammedan groups make of societies such as America. They look at young people wearing shorts and t-shirts or speedos and bikinis on the beach and wonder why they are 'naked'. However, those people certainly don't think so.

Igbos had a strict sense of modesty, but it was not the same as the lopsided sense of modesty that could be seen in western nations or Arabia, where men could go topless to stave off the effects of hot weather while women were left to stay in oven-like burkas and the like.

Igbo fashions were completely adapted to their environment the same as Eurasians, and their sense of modesty developed from there.

No need to yab them biko just give them fact.

Some ancient African civilized culture did not cover put totally in those days.

Nubian women and great Queen's moved around topless

Ancient cush didn't wear top

West african civilized women did not wear top

South African women didn't wear top

The only African women that wore top those days were north African women.. The Berbers,tuaregs,Arabs and co.Who later introduced there Arab culture to there southern neighbours and arabized them.

Women been topless in ancient Africa is not a sign of not bin civilized. The Nubians were the most civilized black Africans those days but there women moved around topless.

Pastor chris beb that year

Naso

esnbrutality:
I dont know that, all i know was that it was built even before independence...and the whites marveled at its ingenuity.

If true that means,Nephilims and fallen angels existed in that region.