Ihedinobi: I was gonna ask if you think you'll ever stop. But I don't think there's a need to. You're more than welcome to your prejudice, my friend. Let us know how that works out for you eventually. We'll do the same.

Ptolomeus: Possibly the best thread I read in the forum.
Really the "house negro's." existed in the slavery
The parallel with foreign religions and slave is magnificent.
Do not be embarrassed you by some critics, who probably will. Analyze this post, requires intelligence, and religious fanaticism that has no intelligence.
My most sincere congratulations.

ghostofsparta: @Topic

An excellent write-up.

But I think it's a bit similar to the phenomenon 'Stockholm Syndrome'. Black religionists would rather defend their white/arab man's religions/interest than that of their ancestors'.

Logicbwoy:

Yes, stockholm syndrome explains it all. Because christianity does some charity and has some schools, it is now seen as a good religion. Christianity and islam have raped our country.

okeyxyz: @logicbwoy,
This is logic gone astray, your points are not strong in anyway, they easily evaporate when challenged slightly. The arguments you make above are an attempt to paint religious devotion as a negative influence, but somehow you forget to (or perhaps you are not smart enough) acknowledge that in-fact every discipline is this way exactly. You are a slave to any system that you practice. whether you are a lawyer, doctor, banker, etc. You can only see things "authoritatively" from the point of view of your particular discipline, thus religion is no exception. simples!! or do you go to a lawyer when you are sick, instead of the doctor, and vice-versa?

okeyxyz: @logicbwoy,
You argue that we have adopted the white man's religion, but i do not hear you say that we have adopted the white man's technology too. The computer with which you "intelligently" typed out your essay, is it indigenous to your people? your cell phone, internet, satelite tv?? hell!! even the clothes you were, is it the type that your people invented

If you wanna make arguments that is respectable and worth any reference, then please put some serious efforts into it & come up with sound, logical and consistent analogy, cos what you have above is absolute rubbish thinking (no offence).

ghostofsparta: @Topic

An excellent write-up.

But I think it's a bit similar to the phenomenon 'Stockholm Syndrome'. Black religionists would rather defend their white/arab man's religions/interest than that of their ancestors'.

Logicbwoy:
You're a slave. You are the one with foolish arguments. You are foolish to compare a religion to a discipline. Your religion just like the other Abrahamic religion asks for submission to an invisible master with no question of his authorities. Other disciplines accept that they are man made and thier decisions can be appealed.

A doctor or accountant will never tell you that their profession is the only way or the truth to live one's life.

Logicbwoy:
Like a slave, you insult your own people in order to defend your master.
- Some of the designer clothes I wear are probably made in Taiwan, thailand China or Morocco. My native clothes are made in Nigeria. But like a slave, you want to praise your master for something he did not do.
-Technology. I use a Windows 7 computer. Computer is made from Japan and the OS in America. Before you go crediting America, realise that slaves built that economy that enabled Bill Gates to build windows.
Furthermore, technology is something that no country has exclusive rights to; different people contribute to different parts and types of technology.

okeyxyz:
Please tell me, how is religion not a discipline?? When a man determines to believe in a particular god & subjects himself to it's doctrines, he fasts, he abstains from sex, alcohol, meat, etc all for his god, he meditates, says mandatory prayers 5-times a day, how is that not a discipline Or maybe you don't know the meaning of discipline??

What makes you think religious people don't question the authority of whatever god they worship?? Are they not adults? Do they not have minds to think? Have they not asked themselves questions regarding the essence of life that is now and the life that is to come? Have they not decided that the religion of their choice is the one that best answers these questions and have therefore either continued with the religion of their birth or switched to another, or even refused religion for that matter? I'm wary of people like you who condemn others because their outlook on life is not the same as yours.

As regards other disciplines that are "man made", tell me: is it man made that 1+1 =2? is it man made that light travels at 299792458 m/s? is it man made how the biological systems in your body functions? So because people of a particular discipline have come together to form a body of doctors, accountants, bankers, scientists, etc, does that mean their knowledge is man made? no, their associations are man made but not the knowledge. knowledge is discovered. Just like catholic, anglican, christ-embassy, redeemed are man-made institutions, but their knowledge is discovered.

okeyxyz:
So, if slaves "built america's economy" like you say, is it not true that they built according to specifications designed & instructed by their masters? So who owns a property then? is it not the man who designed, instructed and paid for it rather than the labourer? Do you not know anything about property rights?
Okay, if you say no country has exclusive rights or claims to technology, does that not apply to religion too? Has religions not evolved differently in different societies then? christianity for example is practiced differently in nigeria as compared to UK, or Brazil, or Somalia, etc

This is why i say your points are very weak. You want to single out certain "negative" characteristics & ascribe them to religion but fail to recognize(or you are incapable of recognizing) that these attributes are universal amongst every sphere of life.

Logicbwoy:
You have nothing to argue here....discipline is different from religion. You can keep deviating but religion is a cruel slave master. Only a fool will say that the discipline of medicine can be related to a slave master like how christianity asks you to submit

As for your ignorance about what I mean when I say disciplines are man made, you make me laugh. Science is man made. Science is observation, testing and results. That is man made. The scientific data or subject might not be man made eg rocks, trees, time.

logicbwoy:
I'm not surprised you ignored my first point about clothes but hooked unto to the slavery and technology point. Technology is global, your religion is not.

-Isrealites are God's chosen people in christianity and judaism- racism and dvision while evolution applies to all humans.
-The Quran can only fuly be understood in Arabic

Logicbwoy:
-The Quran can only fuly be understood in Arabic

okeyxyz:

Mehn, you are causing me laughter in swahili
So if you have observed, tested & recorded the results of a phenomenon, does that mean you created the phenomenon?? What you have is simply a documentation of your observations, just like christians have their bible & moslems their koran, you have not created the subject. science is a discipline that documents nature, it dosen't create nature. simples!

okeyxyz:
There was no need to comment on your points about clothes because you just made no points, you just wrote some obvious sentences with no particular insight the warrants attention.
In case you don't know, everything has an origin, Hence it spreads and evolves. why do you make an exception with religion? So christianity originated in isreal and they were called "god's chosen", so what? I'm a christian and that makes me entitled to christian benefits.

okeyxyz:
Really And i'm supposed to be the ignorant one in this debate.

Logicbwoy:

The discipline of science is man made. The phenomenom it studies is a different matter. I wonder how yu cant make a simple distinction.
medicine- man made
human beings/patient- not man made

Logicbwoy: Does that expalin why God could not appear to everyone at the same time in those days? Zeus appeared to greeks,Yaweh to isrealites. Different gods same story

okeyxyz:
okay! Since you are smart enough to know this, then what do you have against religion? Since every discipline in the universe is man-made while their subject is naturally occurring, Why do you hold exceptional bias against religion??

okeyxyz:
Of course!! And what's wrong with that?? Have you ever asked an accountant to diagnose your fever??

Logicbwoy:
Religion is not a discipline. It refuses to accept that it is man made and fallible. Your religion asks for submission to an invisible being

Logicbwoy:
Huh? Answer why your god chose to reveal himself to people in the middle east? What were Abraham and Moses doing in the middle east when the first people in the world were from Africa?

cyrexx: the one we should question his logic is the one whom religion told us is an all-knowing, all-powerful being who creates faulty humans and then blames them for his own mistakes.

if religion do not exist, we wont have this God.

okeyxyz:
shoo?? Religion is not a discipline? ok, please do tell, What is a discipline and how does religion not qualify

okeyxyz:
ok, if we go by your "sound" logic, then it follows that every development(or at least most) in human endeavor should come from africa. wow!!!

Logicbwoy:
Theology is a discipline. Religion is a fraud!

Logicbwoy:
Nope, just irrational that God chose to ignore the first people and then rush to reveal himself to isreal

Logicbwoy:

Yes, stockholm syndrome explains it all. Because christianity does some charity and has some schools, it is now seen as a good religion. Christianity and islam have raped our country.

Mississippi Church Refuses to Marry Black Couple

They had booked their wedding far in advance. The invitations had been sent, the programs printed. But one day before Charles and Te'Andrea Wilson were to be married at the Mississippi church they frequented, they said a pastor told them they would have to find another venue -- because they were black.

There has never been a black wedding at the First Baptist Church in Crystal Springs, Miss., since its founding in 1883. According to Pastor Stan Weatherford, some church members objected so strongly to breaking that precedent, they threatened to oust him from his pastorship.

Rather than risk his job, Weatherford, who is white, said he decided to marry the pair at a black church down the road.

"My 9-year-old was going to the church with us. How would you say to your 9-year-old daughter, 'We cannot get married here because, guess what sweetie, we're black,'" Charles Wilson told ABC's affiliate WAPT-TV.

Outrage over the wedding's forced relocation swept the Jackson suburb of about 5,000 into a media firestorm.

The vast majority of Crystal Springs residents, blacks and whites alike, were "blown away" by the church's decision, said Theresa Norwood, 48, who was born in Crystal Springs and has lived there her entire life.

Norwood said she believes Weatherford should have married the Wilsons regardless of the risk to his job.

"That church was their home," she said. "What would Jesus have done? He would have married them, without a doubt, because it's the right thing to do. We're all God's children."

While the Wilsons were not members of the church, they often attended services there, and Te'Andrea's uncle is an employee of the church, and her father is a member. Charles Wilson told WAPT that the couple had planned to join as members after their wedding, which was held July 20.

Weatherford told WLBT-TV in Jackson that he would have liked to marry the couple as planned, but he decided to perform the ceremony elsewhere as a compromise to ensure that the Wilsons could be married while "addressing a need within our congregation."

Norwood, who is black, said her nephew came to worship at First Baptist Church while he was temporarily living with her, having been evacuated from New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. The church "made him feel at home," she said, but now she wonders whether he would return there when he visits Crystal Springs.

The church is now holding internal meetings to figure out how it should respond to future requests by black couples to be married there, Weatherford told WLBT-TV.

For her part, though, Norwood, who is dating a white man, said that if she and her boyfriend decide to get married, they will likely look for a different venue.

http://news.yahoo.com/mississppi-church-refuses-marry-black-couple-205218322--abc-news-topstories.html

jayriginal:

I just saw this

iv4fb: @logicboy, why do u always clench your fist at the word "slave"? I'm sorry but I hope in this dispensation, you're not someone's slave?

ghostofsparta: @Topic

An excellent write-up.

But I think it's a bit similar to the phenomenon 'Stockholm Syndrome'. Black religionists would rather defend their white/arab man's religions/interest than that of their ancestors'.

davidylan:

You have the same problem. If white atheists didnt exist, you would not be an atheist either lets face it... you're only an atheist because some white people showed you its cool to disavow the very notion of God.

The only "evidence" you postulate as an alternative to God is SCIENCE... hmmm the very invention of the white man! Where is your own indigenous ideas on why you think God doesnt exist? Yeah just run off and copy the white man's physics textbook then blather about how others are house negroes for cuddling up to the white man's bible.

If only you knew how incoherent you sound.

Logicbwoy:


Oh but, black atheists existed before Europeans came to west Africa. There were always people going against the oracle.


You wouldnt know this because you're a slave. A mental slave to christianity