Well,i find it very difficult to understand the fact that we are seeing the picture of Jesus Christ,Yet, ,we cant see the pictures John,Peter e.t.c.Please, can some one help me elaborate on this, Quick response will be highly appreciated

N.B. Please, Dont Divert the Topic to other things,lets Your answer be inline with the Topic in Question.,,
ONE LOVE

u really love to talk @ luv2talk

you are not specific at all. what's your point?

A few months ago, I visited Malaysia and had course to go shopping in a small road side supermarket. I was surprised to see a framed picture of Jesus Christ on sale, with A TYPICAL ASIAN LOOK. The picture left me pondering and reminded me of a similar picture I came accoss in China sometime ago.

Definitely not.

Jesus lived as a Black Man.

ryu11:

Definitely not.

Jesus lived as a Black Man.

does it really matter if Jesus was asian,black or jew when he came? Lets focus on the real issue, and plz guyz, I have told you folks to stop posting with no evidence to support your claim, you claim to have seen an "asian Jesus" without providing at least one pic, I just cant decipher u guyz

@MP007

I for one will NOT post such pictures anywhere!

Mind you, we're different in our thinking and approach issues. So, you don't dictate to people what to post and what not to post. 'Live and let's live!'.

Obviously you don't get the message. I don't care whether or not you believed in what I experienced. I mentioned seeing the photo of Jesus in 2 Asian countries with a typical Asian face. That doesn't not imply that I think Jesus was Asian. And posting such pictures doesn't mean that he was Asian while he lived on earth. The place of birth and nationality of Jesus Christ are clear enough in the Bible. The talk here is about the pictures we see around, and I decided to mention what I saw too. I will not post any picture here for people to download and circulate with their different meanings and interpretations. I will not take responsibility for such! Get the me right!

Now,that's my kind of jeeesus!

Horus:

@MP007,

does it really matter if Jesus was asian,black or jew when he came?

I don't understand what you are driving at here, but it does matter that Jesus must be a Jew. While His skin colour is insignificant, His bloodline is absolutely essential. And like Jesus Himself said: "Salvation is of the Jews." There is no way humanity could be assured of salvation through Christ if Jesus wasn't born a Jew.

Yashua was Black

I think JESUS picture is real cause his appearance to us this days looks like his picture that we have today.

Evidence attached

More evidence by typing jesus+appear on google then click on image.

There is Jesus the son of God.

Don't be decieve the secular picture of Jesus everywhere in the world.

Go look at your bible in the book of Relevation that describes what does Jesus look like, today? His appearance is more terrifying and awesome than words can describe.

The apostle John made an attempt to describe him in Revelation 1:12-16.

i dont think the picture above is real,it looks like dog head, im sorry,but thats what i can see

@uspry1

Go look at your bible in the book of Relevation that describes what does Jesus look like, today?

Can I have his dscription from the bible?

His appearance is more terrifying and awesome than words can describe.

Oops How did you arrive at that sister?

The apostle John made an attempt to describe him in Revelation 1:12-16.

But he didnt succeed huh?

None of the pictures is real and you would have known that they are false because you keep seeing different pictures here and there.

Even if you land your hands on the alleged pictures of his crucifixion and where he was tied to a stake, you would see that the pictures are very different from each other.

I can categorically tell you that it is the work of the Jinn (Demon). The Jinn has the grace of living up to 80,000 years and more than and Jesus' mother, Mary was around when they showed her one of the pictures and she declined that that couldnt have been her son. The Jinn used what people believe in to deceive them.


You also read below part of my brief journey from christianity to Islam and the way Jinn deceived people through the so called Jesus appearing to them in their dreams.

The first experience I had with the so-called Jesus appearing to someone in a dream was when I was in Secondary School. I was not yet a muslim then. A muslim friend of mine (an alfa, very religious) came to me and his other friends and told us that he he saw Jesus in a dream telling him to come and worship him. He also said that in the dream, the disguised Jinn told him that if he did not come and worship him, he would perish. After hearing the story, as a christian, we told the guy that since Jesus appeared to him by himself, we don't need to preach to him again that he should just accept Jesus into his life.

After so many years, I had another experience through a yoruba movie then called "Agbara Nla" (Mighty Power) produced by Mount Zion Faith Ministries. There I watched how the pastor (s) prayed for a demonic possessed lady. From there, I learnt that if you pray fervently to a demonic possessed victim, the jinn (called demon in christianity) will talk through the victim. You will be able to interact with the demon and likewise ask the demon anything you feel like knowing e.g, the reason for entering the victims body etc. After discusiing with the demon, through your prayer, the demon will leave the victims's body and never come back.

After walking in the darkness for years (probably to learn lots about christian's doctrine), I REVERTED to ISLAM.

Alhamdulillah, the society I belonged specialises in casting out jinn from a possessed victim. There is this prayer called RUQIAH in which if you are to say it to any demonic possesses victim, the demon will leave the victim but yo must be strong in faith. But for a muslim that is not strong in faith, the only thing you can do is to be playing the tape, disc etc, if the demons are in your room, they will be uncomfortable and leave.

The last experience I had opened my eyes to the lies perpetrated by Jinns.

There was this lady called Mariam, a secondary school student. She was very religious and very brillant. Along the line, she offended the Jinn and the jinn entered her body, kept disturbing her making her feel uncomfortable to the extent that at times she couldnt control herself. She was in Science class but due to the disturbance by the jinn, he knowledge reduced, she moved to Commercial and finally to art class.

When her parent noticed her being possessed, they sent for the Ustazh and he with others prayed for her and she was relieved but some months later, her parents had to call again telling us that her sickness had started.

Off they went to Ibadan to meet Mariam and they prayed for her. During the prayer , the jinn felt uncomfortable, feeling the hotness of the prayer and had to voice out.

The jinn started talking through mariam and said that she came all the way from Korea.The Jinn said that she was in Mecca before Abraham was born but when he was born, she had to leave and come to Nigeria. From the jinn, I learnt that the least number of years spend before they die is 80,000 years.Some do live up to 500,000 years or more.

The jinn said they work directly for Iblis (satan) and they too they have the people that are working for them. She mentioned Awolowo, Fela Anikulapo Kuti, Pastor Kumuyi of Deeper Life, Pastor Fakeye of white garment church, Fasheun, leader of the OPC that they all came for wordly gains.

Having said that, the jinn continued that, they used to go to Heaven to hear what is being said (they are being used by sootsayers, palmist, fortune teller etc) but that when the Quran was about to be revealed, they were pursued with fire and brimstones.

The jinn continued that Islam is the way and the truth but that it looks hard to practice and that whether you like it or not, be you christian, atheist, budhaism, muslim etc, its this same Arabic that everyone will speak on that day.

The jinn continued about the speaking in tongue especially by the white garment churches. The jinn said that they are always at work in that aspect.

The jinn continued when asked about the so-called picture of jesus being carried about.

The jinn said that, most christians are not reasonable that THE PICTURE IS NOT THAT OF JESUS BUT WHAT THEY BELIEVED AS JESUS. The jinn continued that THEY SHOWED THE PICTURE TO MARIAM, MOTHER OF JESUS BUT SHE DECLINED THAT, THE PICTURE IS NOT HER SON'S. THE JINN SAID THAT IT WAS THEIR WORK THAT CAME UP WITH THE PICTURES.
Honestly, if christians are really wise, they would have noticed that there lots of pictures potrayed as Jesus. Some you will Jesus having beards, some you wont see. Even at the so called cricifiction, you will some pictures having crown of thorn, some having beards while some will not have beards. Na wa o. May Allah continue to increase our knowledge in Islam.

The Jinn then said that if only the christians have sense, they would have seen that the picture of the LAST PROPHET IS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN BUT ONLY SEEING THAT OF THE PROPHETS YEARS BEFORE THE LAST PROPHET AND THAT IF IT CAN, THEY THE JINN WOULD HAVE SHOWN PEOPLE. The jinn said that Allah made it impossible for them so that they wouldnt be carrying pics around their necks, homes etc and worsipping the pics.

The Jinn then said that what they normally do for the believers is that, in a dream, they will show the so called picture of jesus with lights shining to the picture and will tell the person that this is jesus, that this your last chance to worship me, that if you don't, you will perish

I was shocked when I heard this because if someone had told me, I wouldnt have believed.

So years later, that alfa friend of mine and I met and I had to tell hin the story and play him the tape. He thanked me and tod me that ever since the school incident in which he dreamt, he never prayed as he used to and very confused about Islam but that now, Allah has shown him really that Islam is the way and the only religion. He has started praying and fasting like he used to as a muslim.

To you now, the so called picture is that of Jesus. Why don't we have pictures of those that came after him, can't you think? Enough of this deception. Is that really Jesus. Having you seen black Jesus. Whites draw the picture of Jesus as white man while some black are having black pictures. But if white wants to draw satan, he will paint it black. Na wa o, May God help christians.

Also Alhamdulillah, through this tape alone, I was able to convert a lady years back. She was suprised, she has never heard it before. I told her that Allah has been showing signs but people has been waiving it aside. I told her about the snail that came out from the beach and has 'LA ILAH ILALAH MUHAMMED ROSULULAH" written on its body, some trees in germany having that same type of message, a tree at Army cantonment at Ikeja having same, a baby was born at Agege, a suburb of Lagos State having the same message on her forehead. We also have a case of a boy in Tanzania preaching the gospel of Islam etc. The lady denounced christianity and accepted Islam and I took her to some sisters that did the bathing to Islam and other things for her. She is now assisting in spreading the message of Islam.

Early last year, I woke up and felt a stange hotness of the body, I grabbed my Quran started recitation but still felt uncomfortable. I started reciting La ilah ilalah and along the line, something within me told me that I should mention the name of Jesus in which I declined and continued with the supplication to Allah. Along the supplcation, I slept off and woke up the next day feeling refreshed as if nothing happened. If I had said the name of Jesus stuff which was the work of the Jinn, I would have thought that there is power in that name having woken up refreshed the next day and would have doubted Islam.

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@babs787,

babs787:

Even if you land your hands on the alleged pictures of his crucifixion and where he was tied to a stake, you would see that the pictures are very different from each other.

There's nothing in uspry1's answer to warrant your switch to the crucifixion or tying to the stake. The subject is simply about whether the "pictures" being circulated today about the image/imagery of Jesus are real - not about whether or not the "Crucifixion" is real.

When you turn to Revelation 1:12-16, you find the apocalyptic [/i]description[/i] of Jesus Christ in His character as One who stands to scrutinize the seven Churches in Asia - these churches being representative of the condition of all the Churches through the ages. The reason why you suppose that the apostle John "didn't succeed" is because Islam is completely bereft of any spiritual foresight into the revelations of God.

babs787:

I can categorically tell you that it is the work of the Jinn (Demon). The Jinn has the grace of living up to 80,000 years and more than

Where do you get your "categorical" ideas from if not from the phobias of Muhammad?

This is another confirmation of the fact that Islam has no understanding of the spiritual world. How do you come about the Jinn living up to 80,000 years when in fact demons are spirit beings that do not die or are being "killed" as men are? This fallacy of demons dying or being killed was entirely Muhammad's fancies and has nothing to do with reality - because just about anything Muhammad dreamt up happened to be the building blocks of his religion. His personal phobias have been thrashed by Muslims all around the world, and many Muslim scholars today are too embarrassed to publicly admit that most of Muhammad's ideas are irrational even to the Muslim mind.

By the way, just as you equate the Jinn to 'Demon' in parenthesis, how do you defend Muhammad's idea that some Jinns in Medina had accepted Islam - which would have the same meaning as saying that 'some demons' in Medina had accepted Islam? In other instances, it is said that the Jinns had become Muslims - much like saying that the devils had become Muslims! [Reference: Malik's Muwatta, Book 54, Hadith 54.12.33; Sahih Muslim, Book 043, Num.7182]. How do demons "accept" Islam and become Muslims when in very fact no Muslim has seen a demon practice Muhammad's religion? Do demons do wudu (ablution), pay the compulsory Zakat, or offer salat (Muslim prayers) as well?

babs787:

and Jesus' mother, Mary was around when they showed her one of the pictures and she declined that that couldnt have been her son.

Another fabrication of Muhammad. How did he come about that idea if not that he was dreaming it up? What do you mean by "pictures" - and who showed Mary those pictures?

@babs787,

babs787:

The Jinn used what people believe in to deceive them.

Quite true - and it has been confirmed that the Jinn used Islam to deceive people! Hey, before you begin your summersaulting adventures, hang on a minute and understand that this is precisely what Islam teaches!

Islam teaches that there is a devil attache consigned to every Muslim:

Sahih Muslim, Book 039, Num. 6757

Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be
upon him) said:

There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from
amongst the Jinn (devil).

They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too?
Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so

I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.

It is remarkable that Islam is so associated with "demon attachés" that it is hardly surprising we read these fantastic fabrications and phobias coming from you! How in the world would anyone assume that a Muslim is going to make a coherent "categorical" statement if he has a "demon attaché" as an incontrovertible tenet of Islam?

babs787:

You also read below part of my brief journey from christianity to Islam and the way Jinn deceived people through the so called Jesus appearing to them in their dreams.

Christianity is not predicated upon the deception of Jinns in any so-called appearances of figures in dreams - otherwise we might say the same thing about Muhammad appearing in people's dreams!

Sahih Muslim, Book 29, Num. 5635:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)
as saying: He who saw me in a dream in fact saw me, for
the satan does not appear in my form.

This silly cheap ideas you are advancing to discredit Christianity on the mere assumption that Jesus appearing to people must be false, is not doing you any good. Muhammad may have claimed that anybody seeing him in dreams must "in fact" have seen him. . . and my question to Muslims is simply this: "How would you know what Muhammad looks like if you ever saw him"?

Muslims today may hide behind their fingers and try to pretend that nobody is allowed to see Muhammad - in pictures, dreams, or whatever. But is it not the same Muslims who have in fact depicted Muhammad in paintings and other art forms? This is not a recent phenomenon - for Islamic art has highly praised and prized paintings depicting Muhammad! Those paintings and other forms of art are still venerated today in Islamic countries - and no Muslim is coughing over them or causing a riot in the sanctimonious enclaves where they are preserved by the same Muslim hypocrites who lie to the public that Muhammad is not to be seen in paintings or pictures!

Are these pictures of Muhammad not familiar much earlier than when Muslims wnet on ramapage killing and pillaging on the excuse that Muhammad was depicted in pictures? Sample them (click on highlighted links to see detailed larger pictures):

(1) [img]http://www.ee.bilkent.edu.tr/~history/Pictures1/Stamps/sim11.jpg[/img]

Angel [url=http://www.ee.bilkent.edu.tr/~history/Pictures1/im11.jpg]Gabriel (Jibril) carries Muhammad[/url] over the mountains


(2) [img]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:fm6rut-2Di8FTM:http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/Art/prophetpainting1.JPG[/img]

Angel Gabriel (Jibril) [url=http://www.ee.bilkent.edu.tr/~history/Ext/SIYER1.JPG]brings the word of 'Allah'[/url] to Muhammad

There are more paintings depicting Muhammad in pictures, but these will suffice for the moment.

The point is really simple: your ideas for attacking Christianity (under the pretences that such things made you turn to Islam) are even far worse than they are in Muhammad's religion! The idolatry we find Muhammad protesting against have ALL been thrashed by Muslims themselves - and there's no denying the facts, figures, pictures, statistics and charts that attest to them from Muslims themselves!

@babs787,

babs787:


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Kai! I have tried to read through your religious curriculum vitae outlining your reverting to Islam. Cunny man. . . you could not even establish what made you a "Christian" in the first place, but just wafted along with your usual dribble-man fabu again. No worries, let's walk you through a few assumptions in your testimony:

babs787:

The first experience I had with the so-called Jesus appearing to someone in a dream was when I was in Secondary School. I was not yet a muslim then. A muslim friend of mine (an alfa, very religious) came to me and his other friends and told us that he he saw Jesus in a dream telling him to come and worship him. He also said that in the dream, the disguised Jinn told him that if he did not come and worship him, he would perish. After hearing the story, as a christian, we told the guy that since Jesus appeared to him by himself, we don't need to preach to him again that he should just accept Jesus into his life.

First, the experience was not yours - you heard it as a secondhand narration.

Second, you acted like so many people do - assume that just because you were among 'Christians', you most probably took yourself to be one. There are many out there who are asking others to "reciece Jesus" and yet they themselves are LOST!!

Many would claim that they performed many miracles in Jesus' name in that Day, but it would be a rude awakening when He would pronounce the aweful judgement that He never knew them (Matthew 7:21-23)!! Indeed, they had no personal relationship with Him and were just assuming they were "Christians".

No wonder. . . you had always boasted prudly that you were a "Christian". Sad to say, you leaked faster than a basket! The next couple lines will show the point. . . because you had assumed that remaining along the sidelines to "learn" a few things about Christianity was all that was needed to make you one! Fabu! You only crossed from the middle of nowhere into sudden darkness.

babs787:

After so many years, I had another experience through a yoruba movie then called "Agbara Nla" (Mighty Power) produced by Mount Zion Faith Ministries. There I watched how the pastor (s) prayed for a demonic possessed lady. From there, I learnt that if you pray fervently to a demonic possessed victim, the jinn (called demon in christianity) will talk through the victim. You will be able to interact with the demon and likewise ask the demon anything you feel like knowing e.g, the reason for entering the victims body etc. After discusiing with the demon, through your prayer, the demon will leave the victims's body and never come back.

Lol. . . you of all people should have known better! Christians do not pray TO anybody but to God! You may pray "FOR" someone or people; but you do not pray TO them!

This is the one thing I have cautioned Catholics about for so long. E don tay wey Catholcism and Islam have been sleeping on the same matress! In Christianity, the only denomination I know of (there are several) that prays to people is the CATHOLIC CHURCH!

babs787:

After walking in the darkness for years (probably to learn lots about christian's doctrine), I REVERTED to ISLAM.

Hehehe. .haha!! Sorry, Babs. . . you were really grovelling in darkness for years and have never known Jesus Christ for real! No wonder you have been pouring black smoke on the screen all this time!

Second, I have often said that only in the West do Muslims speak of "conversion" to Islam. In the Arabic peninsula, Muslim speak of converts as "reverting" to Islam. The one point that leaks through your systematic storyline here is that you were speaking of "REVERYING" to a religion that you never was once a part of! How do you "revert" to something that you never belonged to?

babs787:

Alhamdulillah, the society I belonged specialises in casting out jinn from a possessed victim. There is this prayer called RUQIAH in which if you are to say it to any demonic possesses victim, the demon will leave the victim but yo must be strong in faith. But for a muslim that is not strong in faith, the only thing you can do is to be playing the tape, disc etc, if the demons are in your room, they will be uncomfortable and leave.

Lol. . . demons do not leave a room because of TAPES and DISC - Muhammad had no clue about any such matters in his day, or he would definitely had banned them like he banned music and art in Islam.

You cannot use a fallacy to project what Islam knows absolutely zilch about!

babs787:

The last experience I had opened my eyes to the lies perpetrated by Jinns.

Ok, I'll gee you a break here to allow you a few comebacks and humour us the more. . . then I'll show just the rest of the areas where your fabulous storyline leaks through, you hear?

For now, I just want you to keep this in kind: Muhammad actually told Muslims that everyone of you has a demon attache. Remember where he said so. . . or you want to deny (take style pretend say you no longer understand Islam again O!)

d post's interestin,I wondered why a Professor of Physics will bow down 2 d so called pic of Jesus knowin fully well that d pin hole camera;d 1st of its kind was invented few hundred yrs ago.what about d pic of Jeffery Hunter in wide circulation as that of JESUS.I read it in 'Applied Calculus' coppies of which is in Unilorin Lib.under Title: Applicatn of 1st order diff equatn;'The shroud of Turen'(please search)d presumed shroud used 2 cover Jesus b4 ascention.In 60's it was dicovered in a cave when d carbon datin was carried out on it 2 determine its age, It was found only 2 be less than 200 yrs of age! Then how can d same shroud be paraded as that of JESUS!!?

@Pilgrim

I am very used to your usual dribbling but that will not in anyway help you. Let me combine your posts and lecture you on jinn that your bible never told you about. You find it so hard to see reverts huh, common, if you still need more, i can give you and can even give you names of some former pastors that have seen light.

There's nothing in uspry1's answer to warrant your switch to the crucifixion or tying to the stake. The subject is simply about whether the "pictures" being circulated today about the image/imagery of Jesus are real - not about whether or not the "Crucifixion" is real.

I think you are the one getting it wrong. Go have a look at the topic of this thread and ask yourself if my response went against it.

The thread is about the pics of Jesus and I told her that you would know that there is no real picture of him from all we have been seeing. You may go back and re-read yourself.Let me have one and I will give you another that is different from the one you are shwoing.

I almost forgot, which mosque did you lift the paintings from and which home? Can you show me some from Mecca or Medinah? Keep searching going in circles when you have nothing to offer.

When you turn to Revelation 1:12-16, you find the apocalyptic [/i]description[/i] of Jesus Christ in His character as One who stands to scrutinize the seven Churches in Asia - these churches being representative of the condition of all the Churches through the ages. The reason why you suppose that the apostle John "didn't succeed" is because Islam is completely bereft of any spiritual foresight into the revelations of God.

Keep deflecting thread. This is her quote

The apostle John made an attempt to describe him in Revelation 1:12-16.

You may please tell me if he actually succeeded or not.

Where do you get your "categorical" ideas from if not from the phobias of Muhammad?

Does your bible have any answer to that?

This is another confirmation of the fact that Islam has no understanding of the spiritual world. How do you come about the Jinn living up to 80,000 years when in fact demons are spirit beings that do not die or are being "killed" as men are? This fallacy of demons dying or being killed was entirely Muhammad's fancies and has nothing to do with reality - because just about anything Muhammad dreamt up happened to be the building blocks of his religion. His personal phobias have been thrashed by Muslims all around the world, and many Muslim scholars today are too embarrassed to publicly admit that most of Muhammad's ideas are irrational even to the Muslim mind.

Now let me ask you some questions

1. What is the biblical stand on demons/Jinn
2. Do you have from your bible, how demon is created or came into existence
3. Is there any different between angel and demon and if they , can you please tell me the difference and the relationship?
4. Do you any biblical proof that demon will live for ever?
5. I will serve others when I remember

By the way, just as you equate the Jinn to 'Demon' in parenthesis, how do you defend Muhammad's idea that some Jinns in Medina had accepted Islam - which would have the same meaning as saying that 'some demons' in Medina had accepted Islam? In other instances, it is said that the Jinns had become Muslims - much like saying that the devils had become Muslims! [Reference: Malik's Muwatta, Book 54, Hadith 54.12.33; Sahih Muslim, Book 043, Num.7182]. How do demons "accept" Islam and become Muslims when in very fact no Muslim has seen a demon practice Muhammad's religion? Do demons do wudu (ablution), pay the compulsory Zakat, or offer salat (Muslim prayers) as well?

I can see now that you were a lazy muslim if at all you had been. How could someone be asking a question that how does jinn perform ablution? Does this makes sense to you at all? Now, get yourself ready and read about what your bible never told you and will never known as long as you are a christian.



Jinn


Jinn are a distinct creation of Allah, who are invisible to humans. Allah created them from the pure flame of fire. They are male and female and have offspring. They exist here on earth and out of it. Like humans, some jinn worship Allah, but some do not. The ones who do not are known as the devils, whose head is Satan. They are different from angels that happened to be another distinct creation of Allah. They are not male or female and have no children. Allah created them from light. They never sin, obeying Allah in every matter. Humans have angels near them that record all they do. Some angels have appeared to men in the form of men but they never take a woman's shape.


The jinn have free will like mankind. This invisibility is one of the reasons why some people have denied their existence. The origins of the Jinn can be traced from the Qur'an :

"Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire"
[Surah Al-Hijr 15:26-27]


The Jinn were created before man.Because they were created from fire, their nature has generally been fiery and thus their relationship with man has been built upon this. Like humans, they too are required to worship Allah and follow Islam. Their purpose in life is exactly the same as ours, as Allah says:

"I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me"
[Surah Ad-Dhariyat, 51:56]

Jinns can thus be Muslims or non-Muslims. The disbelieving Jinns are also called Shaitans (devils). As for the Jinns who become Muslims, then the first of them did so in the time of the Prophet when a group of them were amazed by the recitation of the Qur'an. Allah orders the Prophet to tell the people of this event:

"Say (O' Muhammad): It has been revealed to me that a group of Jinn listened and said; 'Indeed we have heard a marvellous Qur'an. It guides unto righteousness so we have believed in it, and we will never make partners with our lord'"
[Surah Al-Jinn, 72:1-2]

Allah Almighty says, “And among us there are righteous folk and among us there are far from that. We are sects having different rules.” (Al-Jinn: 11) “And there are among us some who have surrendered (to Allah) and there are among us some who are unjust. And whoso hath surrendered to Allah, such have taken the right path purposefully.” (Al-Jinn: 14)

Quote from: babs787 on December 20, 2007, 03:39 PM
and Jesus' mother, Mary was around when they showed her one of the pictures and she declined that that couldnt have been her son.

Another fabrication of Muhammad. How did he come about that idea if not that he was dreaming it up? What do you mean by "pictures" - and who showed Mary those pictures?

Now in order not to waste valuable time arguing ignorantly with you, I will kindly refer you to these links where you will be able to upgrade yourself and see that your bible will never be able to stand the Quran. I dont reallt blame you cos the bible was written by those that knew nothing and never inspired.

Happy reading

http://www.geocities.com/mutmainaa/belief/jinn.html?200722#Footnotes

http://www.geocities.com/mutmainaa/belief/jinn.html

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543990

Accept Islam before its too late.

Maa salam

d post's interestin,I wondered why a Professor of Physics will bow down to the so called pic of Jesus knowin fully well that d pin hole camera;d 1st of its kind was invented few hundred years ago.what about d pic of Jeffery Hunter in wide circulation as that of JESUS.I read it in 'Applied Calculus' coppies of which is in Unilorin Lib.under Title: Applicatn of 1st order diff equatn;'The shroud of Turen'(please search)d presumed shroud used 2 cover Jesus before ascention.In 60's it was dicovered in a cave when d carbon datin was carried out on it 2 determine its age, It was found only 2 be less than 200 years of age! Then how can d same shroud be paraded as that of JESUS!!?

: Everything is in use to prop up a myth about a believing soul known as Jesus son of Mary. From Changing the rules which he stands for, etc, etc, to the absurd imagery of some nameless guy who they are carrying all over the place as his picture. The very interesting thing is that towards the end of 1999, the US Christians have a picture of a little baby in a diaper who they nicknamed, 'New Millenium Baby Jesus!' When I saw it, I just could not believe how bend the mindset of many of mankind are.

WHAT A BLACK JESUS INDEED

Check it out here,
http://www.rejesus.co.uk/expressions/faces_jesus/gallery/black.html

@pilgrim.1


[quote]By the way, just as you equate the Jinn to 'Demon' in parenthesis, how do you defend Muhammad's idea that some Jinns in Medina had accepted Islam - which would have the same meaning as saying that 'some demons' in Medina had accepted Islam? In other instances, it is said that the Jinns had become Muslims - much like saying that the devils had become Muslims! [Reference: Malik's Muwatta, Book 54, Hadith 54.12.33; Sahih Muslim, Book 043, Num.7182]. How do demons "accept" Islam and become Muslims when in very fact no Muslim has seen a demon practice Muhammad's religion? Do demons do wudu (ablution), pay the compulsory Zakat, or offer salat (Muslim prayers) as well? [quote][/quote]


I know that pilgrim will soon surface with her biblical explanation of what demon/jinn is?We are now seeing it clearly that their bible told them nothing just like Jesus that came and didnt tell them everything but told them that he would go so that the comforter would come, the comforter came telling them what their bible kept mute on, yet they refused accepting the truth. You can imagine a person asking me how does jinn perform ablution!! A formal practising muslim for that matter

@babs787,

I remember you ahve asked me what my thoughts on the Jinn are; and my response was that I will post them subsequently. . . just in the meantime, allowing you time enough to edit the assumptions you made that have no balanced appraisal in reverred sources of Islamic jurisprudence. Before you ask me what they are, please carefully go through your replies again.

For now, let me briefly make an observation:

babs787:

@pilgrim.1

I know that pilgrim will soon surface with her biblical explanation of what demon/jinn is?We are now seeing it clearly that their bible told them nothing just like Jesus that came and didnt tell them everything but told them that he would go so that the comforter would come, the comforter came telling them what their bible kept mute on, yet they refused accepting the truth. You can imagine a person asking me how does jinn perform ablution!! A formal practising muslim for that matter

If you were referring to Muhammad as the Comforter, my simple request is this:

Please quote me the verse from the Qur'an where ALLAH ever referred to Muhammad as "the Comforter". Just the verse will do - no drama please.

Thank you.

luv2talk:

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lol at your foto of black Jesus  but hey indeed go ask Pope John Paul (Dog) - I know the catholics wont like this. That guy knows that the picture of proclaimed Jesus and Black Madonna there in Rome isnt the fake blond guy with blue eyes you and I have grown up to know as Jesus Christ.

Take a look at a typical bearded Middle Eastern man and you will have a good idea of what the physical vessel of Jesus looked like. Enough of the black and white Jesus. Sure his physical appearance is insignificant, sure I don't care if anyone shows me Jesus Christ of Sokoto or Jesus of Okija, we should remember that calling a spade a carrot may not be a sin/crime, but it is WRONG.

Leonardo Davinci painted a handsome bearded Italian Jesus, so did Michaelangelo, though Angelo's version is more macho. Rembrandt van Rijn painted a bearded Dutch Jesus while Eugene Delacroix painted a French Jesus. . . but they were all wrong, dead wrong. I admire their renditions nevertheless.

poster i dont get you.what are you trying to do,make jest of jesus or what and mind you who ever dat posted that pics that looks like devil should remove it thats not jesus.

nikke:


poster i don't get you.what are you trying to do, make jest of Jesus or what and mind you who ever that posted that pics that looks like devil should remove it thats not Jesus.

Are you kidding me? So you are one of those who believe in the long haired, beautiful, blue eyed, blond Jesus while the Satan is the fugly ass black man with horns? Please, check the expiration date on your marijuana.

If I did misinterpret your post, I bow down my head in shame and humble apology, and I am willing to receive without complaint, your well administered verbal/typographical ass whuppin'.

@pilgrim.1

@babs787,

I remember you ahve asked me what my thoughts on the Jinn are; and my response was that I will post them subsequently. . . just in the meantime, allowing you time enough to edit the assumptions you made that have no balanced appraisal in reverred sources of Islamic jurisprudence. Before you ask me what they are, please carefully go through your replies again.

Are you still looking for the verses from your bible ? Common enough of your deceit, your bible never and will never tell you anything on that.

If you were referring to Muhammad as the Comforter, my simple request is this:

Please quote me the verse from the Qur'an where ALLAH ever referred to Muhammad as "the Comforter". Just the verse will do - no drama please.

Thank you.

Here her again o. I am tired of this your maradona style . So because God did not refer to Muhammad as the comforter, he couldnt have been that comforter. You can see that you are the one deflecting thread but I will follow suit. Now, since you are ascribing the word to holy spirit, please has holy spirit be in existence or not? Just only that. Thanks

@babs787,

babs787:

@pilgrim.1

Are you still looking for the verses from your bible ? Common enough of your deceit, your bible never and will never tell you anything on that.

I ahve my answers ready - and I have often said that I give Muslims time enough to fool themsleves and tell as much LIES as may please them. When you don belleful, you will read my answers.

babs787:

Here her again o. I am tired of this your maradona style . So because God did not refer to Muhammad as the comforter, he couldnt have been that comforter.

You guys claim that Muhammad was the Comforter. I only asked you to show me where Allah referred to Muhammad as such.

If Allah did not refer to Muhammad as such, WHY are you LYING for Allah and putting words in his mouth to make him say what he did not say? Is LYINg for Allah the best thing you guys can do to cover up the deceit of Muhammad's claims?

babs787:

You can see that you are the one deflecting thread but I will follow suit. Now, since you are ascribing the word to holy spirit, please has holy spirit be in existence or not? Just only that. Thanks

I have dealt with that same question. To neatly allow this thread to flow in its own topic, please go to the relevant thread.

You know how not to deflect topics in thread, but you were first to bring up the issue of Crucifixion here when the subject was on whether those PICTURES were real. See how you like to act the retard you are?

nikke is on crackk!!!!



Who is looking for what in the bible? Bible