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Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by Nobody: 8:37am On Aug 30, 2012
elimokhai: When the son of a prominent politician is arrested for driving against traffic, then i'll believe in the new Lagos traffic law. Assuming Bola Tinubu's son/son in-law drives against traffic in Lagos state, what will happen?
you are just whinning?you will only make sense to me when u post a situation as u said above with pics.
Nigerians can't just be satisfied!if he arrest,he's wicked,if he didn't,i'm sure you will be the first to say,where is fash and his useless law,he arrests now,u are complaining,who can satisfy NIGERIANS,God sef go just try leave una.

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Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by DVanguard: 9:21am On Aug 30, 2012
Seun: If the punishment does not fit the crime, it is not justice. 1 year jail term does not fit this crime, and that's all there is to it.
When we read about Shariaists stoning girls for getting pregnant, we are indignant, because even though it works, it's not just.
The solution to petty crimes is not to make the punishment unreasonable and wicked, but to enforce reasonable penalties consistently.
I have witnessed an accident scene in Abuja involving a bullon van and a crysler, the woman died instantly. 1 year jail term is not a bad idea cos it could loead to loss of life in case of any accident. What are they protecting, do that stop them from not been robbed

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Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by kunletiwoo(m): 9:22am On Aug 30, 2012
D'Vanguard:

I have witnessed an accident scene in Abuja involving a bullon van and a crysler, the woman died instantly. 1 year jail term is not a bad idea cos it could loead to loss of life in case of any accident. What are they protecting, do that stop them from not being robbed

So On Point!
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by Biggyd2: 9:25am On Aug 30, 2012
I have come to realize a rather sad trend in NL. Many people are willing to see White and swear by whatever that it is black. I have noticed that if someone or organization or whatever is doing wrong because of people's affiliation to the person or the organization, they will readily turn the truth upside down. I fear really that the same problems that has bedevilled this country will continue in a long long time to come. This trend, if we don't change our thought processes, will bring back the wrong people to rule us each time there is a new government in Nigeria.
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by babestella: 9:25am On Aug 30, 2012
profola2be:
please,tell us how it is in advance country.
if it were in advanced country,them born you well make you because of traffic go follow ONE WAY?
you talk as if no one has ever been to an advance country before.
go try am for UK and come and give us feedback.

I wonder why people come here to tell us how it is done in UK and USA. It is ok to copy what is done there as we see it as the right thing to do, but where in UK or NY do you stay in a hopeless traffic for 3 hours unless there is a natural disaster, we are talking about Lagos where a journey that should ordinarily take you less than 15 minutes now takes you more than 3 hours to make, and you are asking us how it is done in UK. Have you asked the government to provide good roads and convenient alternative routes, just like it is in UK and NY. So there naturally will be no need to run one way and when that continues for a decade or so, things naturally fall in place.

In that UK USA, how many times do bullion van carry money around? Most transactions are done through cards, and credits. But in Nigeria, it is 100% cash making it a very viable environment for armed robbers to operate.

Please stop talking from the left side of you mouth, may you not be caught in a cross fire between police and armed robbers trying to rob a bullion van, then you will urgently ask that bullion van even fly on that one way.

Bullion van should be allowed to run one way as far as there is traffic grid lock. Let's face the fact.

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Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by kunletiwoo(m): 9:34am On Aug 30, 2012
babestella:

I wonder why people come here to tell us how it is done in UK and USA. It is ok to copy what is done there as we see it as the right thing to do, but where in UK or NY do you stay in a hopeless traffic for 3 hours unless there is a natural disaster, we are talking about Lagos where a journey that should ordinarily take you less than 15 minutes now takes you more than 3 hours to make, and you are asking us how it is done in UK. Have you asked the government to provide good roads and convenient alternative routes, just like it is in UK and NY. So there naturally will be no need to run one way and when that continues for a decade or so, things naturally fall in place.

In that UK USA, how many times do bullion van carry money around? Most transactions are done through cards, and credits. But in Nigeria, it is 100% cash making it a very viable environment for armed robbers to operate.

Please stop talking from the left side of you mouth, may you not be caught in a cross fire between police and armed robbers trying to rob a bullion van, then you will urgently ask that bullion van even fly on that one way.

Bullion van should be allowed to run one way as far as there is traffic grid lock. Let's face the fact.

Regardless of the life of people using the pedestrian? Between LIFE and MONEY which one is more IMPORTANT to you?
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by HNosegbe(m): 9:34am On Aug 30, 2012
vivacious vivi:

I am sorry but I disagree with you. A person driving against traffic is a menace to both pedestarians and other road users on that lane. Not to talk of a complete nuisance. What is wrong is wrong, which d so called "victim" had admitted. 10 yrs ago, how many Nigerians wore seat belts while droving? Lastma came ard and things slowly took shape...now its a necessity. We wear d belts almost automatically. Abeg, he shld face d music in jail (which wldnt be up to a year considering d time d case will keep being adjourned) and may it serve as a big deterrent for those who do it as a habit esp military personnel and danfo drivers!

Maybe you should tell us whether we were threatened with imprisonment before we decided to comply with the seat belt law.

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Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by onlineadvert: 9:48am On Aug 30, 2012
The penalty is OK but there should an options of fine.
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by babestella: 9:49am On Aug 30, 2012
kunletiwoo:

Regardless of the life of people using the pedestrian? Between LIFE and MONEY which one is more IMPORTANT to you?

Life of course is far more important. With proper safety measures put in place in bullion van, the risk of losing any life can be averted. It is more deadlier having bullion van being robbed in a traffic. More people are bound to lose their life. After all, it didn't start today, bullion vans have always ran one way, how many lives have been lost, though few accidents may be recorded no doubt, but how many lives are lost. The point is this, the only solution is to have good roads, and road network. By so doing, you don't have to bypass traffic or run one way, because you know that even though you are in traffic, you'll soon be out of it, so the urge to take one way for whatever obvious reasons will not come to play.

We talk about traffic law, what happens when a part of the state is totally shut down just because a politician is in town, does the traffic law apply too?

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Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by jobaskia(m): 9:50am On Aug 30, 2012
The law is indeed punitive. If na one business mogul dem fit jail am . Laws are for the massess not richies applicable only in nigeria
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by DVanguard: 9:50am On Aug 30, 2012
babestella:

I wonder why people come here to tell us how it is done in UK and USA. It is ok to copy what is done there as we see it as the right thing to do, but where in UK or NY do you stay in a hopeless traffic for 3 hours unless there is a natural disaster, we are talking about Lagos where a journey that should ordinarily take you less than 15 minutes now takes you more than 3 hours to make, and you are asking us how it is done in UK. Have you asked the government to provide good roads and convenient alternative routes, just like it is in UK and NY. So there naturally will be no need to run one way and when that continues for a decade or so, things naturally fall in place.

In that UK USA, how many times do bullion van carry money around? Most transactions are done through cards, and credits. But in Nigeria, it is 100% cash making it a very viable environment for armed robbers to operate.

Please stop talking from the left side of you mouth, may you not be caught in a cross fire between police and armed robbers trying to rob a bullion van, then you will urgently ask that bullion van even fly on that one way.


Bullion van should be allowed to run one way as far as there is traffic grid lock. Let's face the fact.

what fact are u facing, have we not experienced cross fire also in the bank premises, around the bank and point of delivery of money. Pls that does not justify disobeying traffic. And for your information most of lagos traffic probs is lack of discipling and impatient driving. it does occur here at Abuja, until someone deems it fit to come down and direct traffic. But in lagos even if someone volunteer the people wont obey unless u treat them in an harsh manner. I notices this at my first visit to lagos around berger, they wont wait for themselves, everybody wants to pass the a tiny road at the same time. I came down to direct traffic cos of my experience in abuja but they wont obey, until an army officer came down to joint me and start using is belt on some of the danfo drivers. so pls it more of indiscipline that makes most of lagos road traffic.
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by DVanguard: 9:50am On Aug 30, 2012
babestella:

I wonder why people come here to tell us how it is done in UK and USA. It is ok to copy what is done there as we see it as the right thing to do, but where in UK or NY do you stay in a hopeless traffic for 3 hours unless there is a natural disaster, we are talking about Lagos where a journey that should ordinarily take you less than 15 minutes now takes you more than 3 hours to make, and you are asking us how it is done in UK. Have you asked the government to provide good roads and convenient alternative routes, just like it is in UK and NY. So there naturally will be no need to run one way and when that continues for a decade or so, things naturally fall in place.

In that UK USA, how many times do bullion van carry money around? Most transactions are done through cards, and credits. But in Nigeria, it is 100% cash making it a very viable environment for armed robbers to operate.

Please stop talking from the left side of you mouth, may you not be caught in a cross fire between police and armed robbers trying to rob a bullion van, then you will urgently ask that bullion van even fly on that one way.


Bullion van should be allowed to run one way as far as there is traffic grid lock. Let's face the fact.

what fact are u facing, have we not experienced cross fire also in the bank premises, around the bank and point of delivery of money. Pls that does not justify disobeying traffic. And for your information most of lagos traffic probs is lack of discipling and impatient driving. it does occur here at Abuja, until someone deems it fit to come down and direct traffic. But in lagos even if someone volunteer the people wont obey unless u treat them in an harsh manner. I notices this at my first visit to lagos around berger, they wont wait for themselves, everybody wants to pass the a tiny road at the same time. I came down to direct traffic cos of my experience in abuja but they wont obey, until an army officer came down to joint me and start using is belt on some of the danfo drivers. so pls it more of indiscipline that makes most of lagos road traffic.
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by seanswitch(m): 9:53am On Aug 30, 2012
Even though the one year jail term for traffic offenders sound draconian, I must confess the attitude of some drivers warrant this draconian laws. How on earth will some1 drive against traffic because he's in a hurry or because he doesn't want to be robbed. If banks cant cope with Lagos traffic, I think they should make use of Helicopters.
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by pcagbaji(m): 10:01am On Aug 30, 2012
kj_hova: 1 year jail term for a civic offence in Lagos State in the same Federation where Tafa Balogun & Mrs. Ibru bagged 6 months for criminal offences?! Something is sure wrong with this.

This law will not hold ground if contested up to the Supreme court. Oh how I miss Gani

Traffic offence is not a civil offence .get ur fact right mr man
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by babestella: 10:11am On Aug 30, 2012
seanswitch: Even though the one year jail term for traffic offenders sound draconian, I must confess the attitude of some drivers warrant this draconian laws. How on earth will some1 drive against traffic because he's in a hurry or because he doesn't want to be robbed. If banks cant cope with Lagos traffic, I think they should make use of Helicopters.


Very good thought, I think it should be legistilated and passed to law, no ore bullion vans in Lagos state.
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by babestella: 10:13am On Aug 30, 2012
D'Vanguard:


what fact are u facing, have we not experienced cross fire also in the bank premises, around the bank and point of delivery of money. Pls that does not justify disobeying traffic. And for your information most of lagos traffic probs is lack of discipling and impatient driving. it does occur here at Abuja, until someone deems it fit to come down and direct traffic. But in lagos even if someone volunteer the people wont obey unless u treat them in an harsh manner. I notices this at my first visit to lagos around berger, they wont wait for themselves, everybody wants to pass the a tiny road at the same time. I came down to direct traffic cos of my experience in abuja but they wont obey, until an army officer came down to joint me and start using is belt on some of the danfo drivers. so pls it more of indiscipline that makes most of lagos road traffic.

WHY do robber go to banks? Because they are sure to cart away millions, say money attracts them to bullion vans. If the economy fully goes cashless, then we will not need bullion vans around us that much.
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by kunletiwoo(m): 10:23am On Aug 30, 2012
babestella:

Life of course is far more important. With proper safety measures put in place in bullion van, the risk of losing any life can be averted. It is more deadlier having bullion van being robbed in a traffic. More people are bound to lose their life. After all, it didn't start today, bullion vans have always ran one way, how many lives have been lost, though few accidents may be recorded no doubt, but how many lives are lost. The point is this, the only solution is to have good roads, and road network. By so doing, you don't have to bypass traffic or run one way, because you know that even though you are in traffic, you'll soon be out of it, so the urge to take one way for whatever obvious reasons will not come to play.

We talk about traffic law, what happens when a part of the state is totally shut down just because a politician is in town, does the traffic law apply too?


With proper safety measures put in place in bullion van, the risk of losing any life can be averted.
Since the law is against this, why not shun that safety measure and replace it with adequate security on Bullion Vans?

how many lives have been lost, though few accidents may be recorded no doubt
Why can't we prevent these from happening?

It is more deadlier having bullion van being robbed in a traffic.
Are the thives going to operate successfully with an air craft or by what means in a Traffic Jam?

We talk about traffic law, what happens when a part of the state is totally shut down just because a politician is in town, does the traffic law apply too?
The last one that happened on the Island, were you aware of "Fashola's reaction"?

Thank you. kiss


Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by TimAllen: 10:33am On Aug 30, 2012
If the van was actually carrying money, then it would have had armed escorts as well who probably initiated the driving against traffic. WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM....and why werent they mentioned. This story isn't complete......
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by buchibabe: 10:36am On Aug 30, 2012
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Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by kunletiwoo(m): 10:37am On Aug 30, 2012
TimAllen: If the van was actually carrying money, then it would have had armed escorts as well who probably initiated the driving against traffic. WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM....and why werent they mentioned. This story isn't complete......

The SUBJECT of the MATTER is the "BULLION VAN"
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by TimAllen: 10:40am On Aug 30, 2012
kunletiwoo:

The SUBJECT of the MATTER is the "BULLION VAN"
i dont agree with you oga, if they were actually there then something is wrong with the system because they should know better. i know the bullion van is the subject as you mentioned but are we sure the story is complete cause escorts would have made the story different.....
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by onlineadvert: 10:53am On Aug 30, 2012
There should be an option of fine. After all there various cases that are very serious than these at Federal levels yet there was considerations.
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by kunletiwoo(m): 10:54am On Aug 30, 2012
TimAllen:
i dont agree with you oga, if they were actually there then something is wrong with the system because they should know better. i know the bullion van is the subject as you mentioned but are we sure the story is complete cause escorts would have made the story different.....

How could have the escorts make the story diffent? That they too should know that Law? Sure they do, buh they were not used to obeying laws, and that's why they were all arrested. But here in this Forum, the "Bullion Van" is the Subject of the Matter we are focusing on.

We are not reviewing the Root Cause Analysis here, but the SUBJECT of the MATTER! Just as the OP has said "New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First - Victim - Bullion Van Driver"

Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by TimAllen: 10:58am On Aug 30, 2012
kunletiwoo:

How could have the escorts make the story diffent? That they too should know that Law? Sure they do, buh they were not used to obeying laws, and that's why they were all arrested. But here in this Forum, the "Bullion Van" is the Subject of the Matter we are focusing on.

We are not reviewing the Root Cause Analysis here, but the SUBJECT of the MATTER! Just as the OP has said "New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First - Victim - Bullion Van Driver"


Like I said. Then there is something wrong with the system......Identifying your root cause helps you put preventive or corrective measures. Yeah the story focuses on the bullion van.. but is that all? By the way the escorts (if any) were not charged or disciplined in any way.
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by Omen100(m): 11:06am On Aug 30, 2012
chii8: one yr jail term 4 a civic offence while Otedola n Lawan r abscoundn wt our money.....i dey laff oooo

Funny enough, u don't hear or see those big men & children involved or committing petty offence like this, perhaps they don't go out when ordinary Nigerians like president jonathan would say, those big boys don't walk around for pet sake, "abi dem dey carry dey see rabbit 4 daytime" some nairalanders should stop being cynical.
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by Yomieluv(m): 11:06am On Aug 30, 2012
kunletiwoo:

How could have the escorts make the story diffent? That they too should know that Law? Sure they do, buh they were not used to obeying laws, and that's why they were all arrested. But here in this Forum, the "Bullion Van" is the Subject of the Matter we are focusing on.

We are not reviewing the Root Cause Analysis here, but the SUBJECT of the MATTER! Just as the OP has said "New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First - Victim - Bullion Van Driver"

kunle,why are u so eager to jump at everyone against ur opinion?are u on the payroll of fashola?no one here supports one way,but what we are condemning is the penalty..there ought to be an option of fine,or other punitive measures...what will be the after effect of the penalty on the driver,is it to make him worse off,or better off.
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by kunletiwoo(m): 11:11am On Aug 30, 2012
Yomieluv: kunle,why are u so eager to jump at everyone against ur opinion?are u on the payroll of fashola?no one here supports one way,but what we are condemning is the penalty..there ought to be an option of fine,or other punitive measures...what will be the after effect of the penalty on the driver,is it to make him worse off,or better off.

LOL... I'm not taking it personal bro, so please dont't; as everyone is entitle to his/her own opinion.

"We all cannot sleep and face the same direction" smiley
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by krnl: 12:09pm On Aug 30, 2012
snthesis: silly law- jailing a 1st time offender for a traffic law for one year- haba!!!!
other road users will henceforth- try to getaway by all means and i foresee more Lastma officials getting hurt

Agree !
But under fashola's new world order, the government (ruling class) must be deified, while lower classes criminalised for ultimate control.
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by RuuDie(m): 12:35pm On Aug 30, 2012
Desola:

Don't be silly! That is such a lame excuse for not punishing an offender - "is there even space availale in those prisons" what an argument!

I wonder if you would be so concerned about the silly stigma if he had hit you - an innocent pedestrian. What irrational mentality! The same law that is seeking to protect you and your rights as a pedestran or road user is the same one you're kicking against. I just don't understand Naija people.

No one is advocating for the guy to go Scot-free!

Something tells me you don't even reside in Lagos; if you do, I hope you have access to cars and drive regularly. . . and one day, get caught in something very inconsequential as accidentally beating a traffic light or intruding into the wrong lane, then spend just one month kpe're in prison - let me see if you'll still come here and hold this same views!
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by GogobiriLalas: 1:07pm On Aug 30, 2012
Nice one, he should have spread the money to his captors
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by okparaugo: 1:43pm On Aug 30, 2012
Paul John: But this bankers are wicked. They're begging for the release of the Bullion van and not even the driver cry

Capitalists. Nah now you know say banks dey use their staff
Re: New Lagos Traffic-Law Catches First-Victim - Bullion Van Driver by minnygirl(f): 2:30pm On Aug 30, 2012
I know say person go fall victim Nigeria!

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