For those (muslims and non christians) that still keep deceiving themselves ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE BIBLE IS NOT TRUE, My answer to you is that the bible IS TRUE, and there are Physical Proofs to back it up.

If you are really sincere about knowing the truth , check out the following links for your current answer and subsequent questions:

PLEASE NOTE THE IMPORTANT THING IS NOT TO TRY AND RIDICULE YOU , NO, THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THE MERCY OF GOD THROUGH CHRIST.

This proofs might make you understand that every word in the bible is True and Trustworthy, as such everything that the bible said about judgement of sinners and salvation of sinners is VERY TRUE.

THE CHOICE IS YOURS.



Inconsequence below are links and categories of questions and physical evidences (for grand canyon in the us, against evolution and for noah's flood) to prove the biblical facts concerning creation, noah's flood, sodom and gomorah

1. Proof that Evolution is false and the bible is True.

As a prove that Evolution is a lie please check out the following videos from this links:
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-trail.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/utp-upper-taylor-platform-mcfall-trail.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/ryals-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/burdick-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/new-mexico-problematica-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/turnage-patton-trail.htm
http://www.loudcry.org/main/video/Dr_Kent_Hovind_PhD/seminar_videos/7_questions_and_answers_part_2.avi
http://www.loudcry.org/main/video/Dr_Kent_Hovind_PhD/seminar_videos/7_questions_and_answers_part_1.avi
http://www.loudcry.org/main/video/Dr_Kent_Hovind_PhD/seminar_videos/7_questions_and_answers_part_4.avi
http://www.loudcry.org/main/video/Dr_Kent_Hovind_PhD/seminar_videos/7_questions_and_answers_part_3.avi
http://drdino.plaingospel.com/seminar2.wmv
http://drdino.icsrepair.com/videos/lowbitrate/seminar4_low.wmv
http://drdino.icsrepair.com/videos/lowbitrate/seminar3_low.wmv
http://drdino.plaingospel.com/seminar5.wmv
http://www.loudcry.org/main/video/Dr_Kent_Hovind_PhD/seminar_videos/6_the_hovind_theory_part_5.avi
http://www.loudcry.org/main/video/Dr_Kent_Hovind_PhD/seminar_videos/7_questions_and_answers_part_5.avi
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i4/Wang.asp
http://www.drdino.com/drdinoLinks.php


2. Proof the Noah's Ark Existed and there was really a flood.

As prove check out this sites:

http://noahsarksearch.com/ararat.htm
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c013.html
http://noahsarksearch.com/ararat.htm
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c013.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a001.html
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i1/flood.asp
http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/845


3. Proof the Moses existed and God really saved the Isrealites at the Red Sea.

As prove check out the following links before commenting

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt_sinai_found_part_2.htm

http://www.anchorstone.com/

http://www.anchorstone.com/content/view/133/53/


4. Proofs about the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah

http://users.netconnect.com.au/~leedas/sodomgom.html

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm


5. About Alexander the Great

There is also the fufillment of the (Book of Daniel) biblical prophecy about a Grecian Empire (Alexander the Great), how long and the intensity of his reign. Below are bible quotations that relate to a vision by Daniel years before Alexander the Great.

I have also included links that might help you in the information about Alexander the Great in relation to the bible.


Dan 8:1 In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.
Dan 8:2 And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.
Dan 8:3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.
Dan 8:4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.
Dan 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.
Dan 8:6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.
Dan 8:7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.
Dan 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
Dan 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.



Biblical verse interpreting the vision given above:

Dan 8:15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.
Dan 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
Dan 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
Dan 8:18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
Dan 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
Dan 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
Dan 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Dan 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
Dan 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.


http://www.bible-history.com/archaeology/greece/2-alexander-coin-bb.html

http://www.bible-history.com/archaeology/greece/alexander-the-great-bust.html

bible phylosopher

, I am sorry I don't mean it as an insult but the truth, I would rather you not call me a bible philosopher. Simply because I am not a Bible philosopher.

I am just a Born Again Christian who (despite is own person deficiencies and shortcomings) is striving to get across the message of Salvation to those who are want to listen.

I was once a person who hoped evolution was true , once a person who didn't believe the bible word for word.

However recently (past and present) that I know the Truth about the lies of islam, evolution, atheism, and others , I want to try and get across my information so that those that are interested would at least also have the same oppotunity that I had.

yeah the bible is 100% TRUE from Genesis to Revelation. Check this out

,

SysUser,

you could have made more sense if you created a thread to explain how the bible is correct about creation.

Comparing and saying that what Islam and evolution say is wrong does not help matters atall.

Plagiarising sites does not help atall.

You can come out here and explain, its the responsibilities of readers to determine whats right or wrong.

@mdsocks

Must you always try to do , what you are trying to do, by saying:

SysUser,

you could have made more sense if you created a thread to explain how the bible is correct about creation.

Comparing and saying that what Islam and evolution say is wrong does not help matters atall.

Plagiarising sites does not help atall.

You can come out here and explain, its the responsibilities of readers to determine whats right or wrong.

First and foremost, it is rather sad that you are accusing me of plagiarism instead of , actually restricting your comments to the issues and topics in the post. once again, it seems the best tactics you are using when faced with the truth is to start throwing accusations left, right and center.

Please don't attack the preacher even if you cannot attack/disprove the message.


Now for everyother reader, let us understand that: "Plagiarism simply means using and presenting someone else's material as if it were ones material,


Secondly if you are going to be fair to me , and not try to attack my personality instead of actually facing the issue at hand, you would realise that there is nowhere in my original post where I ever claimed that the physical evidences that I was using was mine. Neither was there anywhere in the post where I was claiming to be the one making the explanation about the physical evidences.

All I have simply done is inform you about the physical evidences to back up my claim that: CREATION IS TRUE: BIBLE IS TRUE: EVOLUTIONS IS FALSE AND ISLAM IS FALSE.


So once, let me explain to you again, what I did and have done is not plagiarism, instead it is similar to what is called "Referencing", simply because I made a claim and then gave you the sources from which I got information upon which the claim is based. As such just like any sincere person would do, the responsibility of checking (by crosschecking the links to the references and physical evidences) whether or not my claims are true lies with the reader.

So since I have given everybody (muslims/christians/non-christians), the web links to my sources of information for the physical evidences that I was talking about, the onus then falls on you ( and everybody else) to click on those links to crosscheck those evidences, before making posts that imply whether or not I am lying.

(Note that whether or not you click on those links is your responsibility and choice, whether or not you lie that you have clicked on those links when you have actually not done so, is your responsibility)

So please there is no need for you , to try and twist things or instigate personality attacks by saying things which are not true about me or the post I have made.

SysUser

First and foremost, it is rather sad that you are accusing me of plagiarism instead of , actually restricting your comments to the issues and topics in the post. once again,

Am not here to argue with you. Am just telling you that you can't gain anything by claiming something is wrong.

You could have first enlightened us on the bible version, then explain why evolution is wrong.

is that hard for you to get?

I think no.

it seems the best tactics you are using when faced with the truth is to start throwing accusations left, right and center

You can point out where i have accused you in my post. Am just telling you the proper way of driving your point home.


Your topic suggest deciet from the onset.


We are really ready to learn,but not this way lol.

@mdsocks please , doesn't it seem as if you are playing a public relations game by giving the following statements and I quote:

You can point out where i have accused you in my post. Am just telling you the proper way of driving your point home.


Your topic suggest deciet from the onset.


We are really ready to learn,but not this way lol.

1. You accused me of plagiarism when you made the statement , that I quote as

Comparing and saying that what Islam and evolution say is wrong does not help matters atall.

Plagiarising sites does not help atall.

2. You accused me of lying from the onset, even though:

[list]
[li] you did not point out what I said which was a lie
[li]you did not state whether or not you have checked the links for the physical evidences which I have given for the use of everybody, hence how can you know for sure whether or not, I am lying if you have not even told us whehter or not you have checked it to find out whether it is true or not.[/li]
It seems you have made up your mind that "I must be lying", whether or not what I am saying is true or not[/li]
[/list]


3. You claim that you are ready to learn , ,

[list]
[li]yet you have not indicated whether or not you have regard for the learning materials that, I have given you links to[/li]
[li] yet it seems you are only willing to learn what you already "think you know" and belief", but you are not ready to learn what you think might nullify your present knowledge and belief[/li]
[/li][/list]

Finally:

I DON'T THINK EVOLUTION IS WRONG, I KNOW EVOLUTION IS WRONG, I BELIEVE EVOLUTION IS WRONG AND I HAVE GIVEN YOU LINKS TO PHYSICAL EVIDENCES WHY EVOLUTION IS WRONG.

Before we proceed again: Bible and quran (Islam) cannot be both true at the same time, because their foundations contradict each other. therefore only one of them is true.

Therefore once again,

I DON'T THINK ISLAM IS FALSE, I KNOW ISLAM IS FALSE, I BELIEVE ISLAM IS FALSE AND I HAVE GIVEN YOU LINKS TO PHYSICAL EVIDENCES SHOWING THAT THE BIBLE IS TRUE. SINCE THE BIBLE IS 100% TRUE , IT SIMPLY MEANS THAT ISLAM IS 100% FALSE, BECAUSE THE TOO CANNOT BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME.

So please mdsocks, if don't really have to contribute or reply, unless you have physical proof to contradict everything I have already posted on this thread.

@sysuser

I DON'T THINK ISLAM IS FALSE, I KNOW ISLAM IS FALSE, I BELIEVE ISLAM IS FALSE AND I HAVE GIVEN YOU LINKS TO PHYSICAL EVIDENCES SHOWING THAT THE BIBLE IS TRUE. SINCE THE BIBLE IS 100% TRUE , IT SIMPLY MEANS THAT ISLAM IS 100% FALSE, BECAUSE THE TOO CANNOT BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME.

Please, can you kindly serve me some of the reasons you think made christianity to be right and Islam false?

What do you mean by 'bible is 100% true'?

@babs787, dreamliner

I am tempted to blow you off , since I have already given answers to the kind of question you are still asking,

Nonetheless , let me explain in plain in English that:
The Bible is 100% True because:

1. Bibilica Accounts of Events as reported in the bible have been found to be True via Physical Evidences found recently or in the past

(If you are "Truthfully" and "Sincerely" interested in checking it out for yourself, you can find examples and links for physical evidences (from earliers posts that I have made on this thread) for those kind of biblical accounts).

2. Biblical Prophecies as reported in the bible are being fufilled exactly as told:

(Again, If you are once again "Truthfully" and "Sincerely" interested in checking it out for yourself, you can find examples and links for physical evidences (from earliers posts that I have made on this thread) for those kind of biblical prophecies).

3. So called contradictions in the bible being peddled by muslims and unbelievers have been shown not to be True.
(Again, If you are "Truthfully" and "Sincerely" interested in checking it out for yourself, you can find examples and links for video links giving you detailed analysis of how and why there is no contradiction in the bible as reported by those who desperately want to believe there are contradictions in the bible).


So, Mr. @babs787, (hmmmmm probably from Boeing 787 Dreamliner).


I hope I have answered you question or have i not?

@sysuser,

undoubtedly the bible is true and I also believe evolution is false.

though I have my reservations about Islam and the Quran, i dare not say they are false. even though I am a christian.

the world would be a sane and better place if we try not to impose our ideas, thought and/or feelings no matter how cogent we think they are on others

creation is false, bible is false, yahweh/jehovah[the biblical-creator] is false

Hello neotic

you said ,

@sysuser,

undoubtedly the bible is true and I also believe evolution is false.

though I have my reservations about Islam and the Quran, i dare not say they are false. even though I am a christian.

the world would be a sane and better place if we try not to impose our ideas, thought and/or feelings no matter how cogent we think they are on others

Please don't mis-understand me, I am not trying to impose anything on anybody.

What I am simply trying to do is to expose the lies , simply because:

1. Christ told us to go to the whole world to preach the good news,

2. I feel (think) that telling muslims and non-christians , the truth about what they believe is a means through which I can preach the gospel to them. Because some of them simply don't know the truth, some of them are who they are because they were born into it, access to truthful information is what I am trying to provide,


Concerning your statement of not imposing "ideas", let me apologise in advance for what I am about to say; it sounds to me like you are trying to be politically correct either:

1. You have doubts whether or not the bible is 100% true (and believe me since the bible is 100% true, , it is simply impossible for islam and co, to be true).

or

2. You simply don't want to say it the way it is,

As it is written , spare the rod and spoil the child,

Sparing individuals the discomfort of telling them the blunt truth simply means one does not love them enough to care for the eternal well being.

There are certain things I known now that sometimes wish someone had told me earlier , even though it might not have been pleasant for anyone to try to tell me such.

Once again, neotic, forgive me if you feel insulted by my statements, it is not my intention to insult you nor abuse you.
I am simply saying it, the way I see it

idinrete, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

@sysuser

apologies accepted.

I am not trying to be politically correct like you thought because I have schooled in an islamic environment where I criticised and vehemtly opposed their acts of trying to impose their will on us. take for instance, certain students came together to organise a campus beauty peagent dubbed "miss Lautech". coincidentally it was during their fasting period. they insisted the show must not hold and would attack anyone who attempts to attend the show. it led to a big fracas.

we stood our ground. while it was acceptable that since this was rammadan period, pornography or anything close should be avoided. they also had the option of not attending and cannot impose their will on others (xtians).

once again, christianity is real 100%, evolution is false 100%, over islam i reserve my comments.
I respect muslim`s opinion, but dont neccessarily believe it.

@sysuser

I am tempted to blow you off , since I have already given answers to the kind of question you are still asking,

You can not do that but will only expose your fraud further. Let me quickly go through what you called answers.

Nonetheless , let me explain in plain in English that:
The Bible is 100% True because:

It is a blatant lie.

1. Bibilica Accounts of Events as reported in the bible have been found to be True via Physical Evidences found recently or in the past

Are you prepared for biblical accounts that contradicted evolution, physical evidences etc?

(If you are "Truthfully" and "Sincerely" interested in checking it out for yourself, you can find examples and links for physical evidences (from earliers posts that I have made on this thread) for those kind of biblical accounts).

Brother, when did you start reading the bible and for how long have been reading same? Let me have the verses that I have been quopting wrongly if you have been truthful. I have been serving you questions and giving you verses to back same from your bible and the only thing left for you is to label me as not being truthful. Why do you people like playing game of dishonesty?

2. Biblical Prophecies as reported in the bible are being fufilled exactly as told:

Are you ready for biblical verses that didnt come to pass?

(Again, If you are once again "Truthfully" and "Sincerely" interested in checking it out for yourself, you can find examples and links for physical evidences (from earliers posts that I have made on this thread) for those kind of biblical prophecies).

Brother,like I said, do I serve you prophecies that seemed false and never materialised?

3. So called contradictions in the bible being peddled by muslims and unbelievers have been shown not to be True.

Why are you denying the glaring truth and are you saying that there are no contradictions in the bible? Pls deny that and I will serve just one. Hope you know that you ignored the one I gave you on Toi, Tou, Hadarezer, Hadadezen etc?

Once again, are you saying that there are no contradictions in your book anbd I will serve you verses contradicting each other from those that claimed to have witnessed jesus ministry and wrote the four books in which you must explain

(Again, If you are "Truthfully" and "Sincerely" interested in checking it out for yourself, you can find examples and links for video links giving you detailed analysis of how and why there is no contradiction in the bible as reported by those who desperately want to believe there are contradictions in the bible).

Let me read from you denying the contradiction from your book and I will serve you just a tip in which you must explain the reason for going against each other in the inspired book of GOD!

So, Mr. @babs787, (hmmmmm probably from Boeing 787 Dreamliner).

It is your problem and not mine. Let me know when you stop deceiving yourself.

I hope I have answered you question or have i not?

You havent and the question goes thus; are there contradictions in the bible or not?

What I am simply trying to do is to expose the lies , simply because:

Let us read the lies you are exposing.

1. Christ told us to go to the whole world to preach the good news,

Haba.Ok if that is how you want it, kindly explain this:

Why should Jesus specifically forbid, on the one hand, preaching the Gospel to the Gentiles Matthew 7:6,15:24,26) and yet on the other, tell the disciples to teach all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost? (Matthew 28:19)

These are the verses to start with:


mattew 1v21: and she shall bring forth a son, and thou shall call his name Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins.

Who are Jesus people? The Jews are the people of Jesus because he was sent to them alone.


John 4v21-22: Jesus said unto her, woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem worship the father, ye worship ye know not what we know. We know we worship, for SALVATION is of the JEWS.

Jesus said that salvation is for the Jews because he came for Jews alone.


Mathew 15v24-26: but he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel……,


Here Jesus said, he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel although there are other countries apart from Israel but was sent only to them.


Mathew 10v5-6: these twelve, Jesus sent them forth and commanded them saying, go not on the way of the gentiles and unto any city of the Samaritans, enter ye not, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.



Math 19v28: and Jesus said unto them, verily I say unto you, that which have followed me, in the regeneration when the son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribe of Israel.


Jesus said that he and his disciples will judge the twelve tribes because he was sent only to Israel.


Also from the Holy Quran


Quran 3v49: and (make him) an apostle to the children of Israel….

Quran 43v59: he (Jesus) was naught but a servant on whom we bestowed favour and we made him an example for the children of Israel.


Quran 3v61: but whoever dispute with you in this matter concerning Jesus after what has come to you of knowledge, then say : come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.


So, why did he forbid his disciples from going to gentiles but told them to preach to all nations and please what do you understand by all nations?

So what do you also understand by 'all the nations'

2. I feel (think) that telling muslims and non-christians , the truth about what they believe is a means through which I can preach the gospel to them. Because some of them simply don't know the truth, some of them are who they are because they were born into it, access to truthful information is what I am trying to provide,

Hey, common, stop deceiving yourself. I wasnt born into it, I came, I saw and accepted the truth. I was like you before I saw and accepted the truth.What Gospel are you preaching by the way and please was Jesus given the revelation during his time or after his death and was he given four gospels and are those authors really witness to his ministry and were they under any inspiration.

Brother, it will do you good if you do away with your pride and arrogance and accept the trth. If you are claiming to be a born again, I was before you and you know that I am very aweare of your bible more than you yourself. So you need to embrace the truth and stop this your deception.

1. You have doubts whether or not the bible is 100% true (and believe me since the bible is 100% true, , it is simply impossible for islam and co, to be true).

Once again, is the bible 100% true and I can bet it with you that you will eat your word by the time I expose you to some verses from your bible deny your claim above. You should trust me for that whenit comes to dealing with apologists like you. Just let me know if it is 100% true and let me how you arrived at that. 100% true


Brother, over to you

SysUser:

idinrete, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

sysuser,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 

Na wa o, babs787 must you go this far just to protect a lie as the truth,

IT SEEMS THAT YOU TONE OF WORDS IN YOUR REPLY, INDICATE THAT YOU ARE ALREADY STARTING TO GET ANGRY AND AGITATED, THANK GOD THIS NA INTERNET (THANK GOD I AM NOT WITHIN YOUR PHYSICAL REACH) , NO ONE CAN BE SURE WHAT YOUR SUPPOSEDLY ANGRY TONE OF WORDS MIGHT ACTUALLY TURN INTO FOR ME ASSUMING IF YOU WERE WITHIN MY PROXIMITY


First and foremost, instead of giving me sincere and pragmatic answers to the questions that I had asked you, doesn't sound rather wrong for you to now give me answers like:

You can not do that but will only expose your fraud further. Let me quickly go through what you called answers.

It is a blatant lie.

Are you prepared for biblical accounts that contradicted evolution, physical evidences etc?

Are you ready for biblical verses that didnt come to pass?

Brother,like I said, do I serve you prophecies that seemed false and never materialised?

It is your problem and not mine. Let me know when you stop deceiving yourself.

Let us read the lies you are exposing.  

Alternatively you can check them out for yourself which phrase you were responding to and which answer you ended up giving me:

@sysuser

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I am tempted to blow you off , since I have already given answers to the kind of question you are still asking,

You can not do that but will only expose your fraud further. Let me quickly go through what you called answers.


Quote
Nonetheless , let me explain in plain in English that:
The Bible is 100% True because:

It is a blatant lie.


Quote
1. Bibilica Accounts of Events as reported in the bible have been found to be True via Physical Evidences found recently or in the past

Are you prepared for biblical accounts that contradicted evolution, physical evidences etc?


Quote
(If you are "Truthfully" and "Sincerely" interested in checking it out for yourself, you can find examples and links for physical evidences (from earliers posts that I have made on this thread) for those kind of biblical accounts).

Brother, when did you start reading the bible and for how long have been reading same? Let me have the verses that I have been quopting wrongly if you have been truthful. I have been serving you questions and giving you verses to back same from your bible and the only thing left for you is to label me as not being truthful. Why do you people like playing game of dishonesty?


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2. Biblical Prophecies as reported in the bible are being fufilled exactly as told:

Are you ready for biblical verses that didnt come to pass?



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(Again, If you are  once again "Truthfully" and "Sincerely" interested in checking it out for yourself, you can find examples and links for physical evidences (from earliers posts that I have made on this thread) for those kind of biblical prophecies).

Brother,like I said, do I serve you prophecies that seemed false and never materialised?

[color=#990000]@babs787, It is obvious that the answers you have giving me, do not lead to anywhere they are just phrases to while away time in the technique of intentional misdirection[/color]


Secondly, , please please stop deceiving yourself and stop trying to deceive every other person (reading this thread, but who doesn't know his left from the right).

I have not ignored your questions , instead I have already answered your question(s) about, Why the bible is 100% True, YET YOU IGNORE THE ANSWERS I GAVE TO AND STILL KEEP ASKING ME , "THE SAME QUESTION OF ARE THERE CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE",

I begin to wonder whether this is a kind of tactically method of trying to mentally and physically wear me out by asking the same kind of question over and over again, in the hope that I would soon get frustrated and simply stop trying to tell you the truth. I am sorry to say that God willing I am not going to let you off the hook so easily.

As an example of the similar kind of questions that I have come to notice that you (@babs787) repeatedly seem to keep asking me or other people is the one I am about to quote, below :

Hey, common, stop deceiving yourself. I wasnt born into it, I came, I saw and accepted the truth. I was like you before I saw and accepted the truth.What Gospel are you preaching by the way and please was Jesus given the revelation during his time or after his death and was he given four gospels and are those authors really witness to his ministry and were they under any inspiration.

Why are you denying the glaring truth and are you saying that there are no contradictions in the bible? Please deny that and I will serve just one. Hope you know that you ignored the one I gave you on Toi, Tou, Hadarezer, Hadadezen etc?

Once again, are you saying that there are no contradictions in your book anbd I will serve you verses contradicting each other from those that claimed to have witnessed jesus ministry and wrote the four books in which you must explain

Let me read from you denying the contradiction from your book and I will serve you just a tip in which you must explain the reason for going against each other in the inspired book of GOD!

, in cased anyone has not told you, before, AGE and EXPERIENCE, HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH UNDERSTANDING THE THINGS OF GOD, .
That you think you are old enough to know more about the bible or not is irrelevant, that you think you are experienced enough to know more about the bible or not is irrelevant. That you read the bible or not is irrelevant", that only shows that you have experience with the bible". It does not show that you actually understand what you have read.

[center] What is important is that YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW, [/center]

So please , before you start trying to play the AGE and EXPERIENCE card, whenever you run out of FACTS AND FIGURES TO BACK UP YOUR LIES, understand that "AGE AND EXPERIENCE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH UNDERSTANDING"

Okay let me now show you verses in the bible detailing why AGE AND EXPERIENCE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH UNDERSTANDING For example , you ought to know who that verse was talking about.

Luk 2:42  And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
Luk 2:43  And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
Luk 2:44  But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.
Luk 2:45  And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
Luk 2:46  And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
Luk 2:47  And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

Please babs787 it is understandable if you decide to pretend as if I or some other people have not already answered your question. It would be better by SIMPLY TELLING US THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE OR ACCEPT THE ANSWERS THAT WE HAVE GIVEN, , you can save everybody from the frustration of trying to answer the same question over and over again, by not repeating the same MANTRA.

Please abeg, Apmaka Biko, WayoWayo, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WEAR ME/US DOWN WITH , QUESTION REPETITION,


A sincere person (in fact even an atheist, ) reading this thread would know for sure that "the answers I gave you and the links to the physical evidences supporting the answers i gave you" are plainly there for everybody to see and check for themselves.

Obviously it is either that you have not checked the answers at all or simply that you have made up your mind to ignore them ,  "isnt it curious to know that you didn't not quote back any of the bible verses that I had used to support my claims " . Instead you have simply either avoided them or ignored them so that "it would look like I have not answered your question.

Deceit whether intentional or unintentional for the sake of allah is futile.

The truth is always there for all to see, whether or not you try to avoid it and claim that you were once this and once that, whether or not islam, allah, terrorist, etc try to suppress it or not

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You said and I quote:

Brother, it will do you good if you do away with your pride and arrogance and accept the trth. If you are claiming to be a born again, I was before you and you know that I am very aweare of your bible more than you yourself. So you need to embrace the truth and stop this your deception.

Once again, is the bible 100% true and I can bet it with you that you will eat your word by the time I expose you to some verses from your bible deny your claim above. You should trust me for that whenit comes to dealing with apologists like you. Just let me know if it is 100% true and let me how you arrived at that. 100% true  

Once again instead of considering the message and criticising the message you have decided to "attack my personality". PLEASE DON'T BOTTHER TRYING TO USE THE INTIMIDATION TACTICS ON ME (because it won't work). It becomes obvious that you are wrongly assuming that your intimidation tactics would work on me and also wrongly assuming that age or experience has anything to do with God.

IDINRETE ,

I just wanted to know why you posted the emoticon

Re: Creation Is True: Bible Is True: Evolution Is False: Islam Is False.

why did you post yours in the first place?

Mr babs787, You accused the Bible (God's Word) of lying by saying and implying that the Bible said contradicted itself by saying (in some places) that Jesus came to save only the Isrealites and also by saying/implying that the Bible also said (in other places) that Jesus came to save the whole world.


Mr babs787, That fact that you are asking these kinds of desperate and false questions and also making these kind of false implications, shows that you are either of the following.
Either that:

1. You are being purely mischevious, and you are therefore desperately looking for something in the bible which you can then say is a contradiction.

or

2. that you read the bible yourself but unfortunately you didn't understand those portions of the bible for one reason or another, and since you didn't

understand it you decided that the only sensible explanation to you, was that it was a contradiction in the bible.

or

3. that you were told by someone else that there was a contradiction there and then you "dogmatically" believed what you were told without trying to find out

the truth.

or

4. that you know the truth about the lies of the quran , mohammed and allah, but you are desperate to find a means of coverup for them and a means of relevance for them. As such one of the ways you try to use to do that is by trying to make the bible or every other person look like a liar.


The truth is that I don't know which of the above options applies to you, nonetheless I thank God, that deep down in your soul, you yourself know that at least one of those things I have listed above applies to you.

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About the Matthew 1:21, where you said there was a contradiction, ACTUALLY THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION, kindly follow me as I strive to teach.


You (babs787) said and I quote:

mattew 1v21: and she shall bring forth a son, and thou shall call his name Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins.

[color#990000]Who are Jesus people? The Jews are the people of Jesus because he was sent to them alone.[/color]

First and foremost let us do a little understanding of English 101 before we dwelve back into the scriptures.

Now for the english 101, consider this following example and explanation:

[color#005566]As an example, assume there was a statement which said that , "a White man tells a Yoruba man, that the Yoruba man should not live with him,

but instead the yoruba man should go and live with "his people"[/color]

From the above example and relative to the Yoruba man, what does the white man mean by the phrase "his people".


As an answer to the meaning of that statement, the following answers can be given by different listeners based on their level of "perception", "prejudice"

and "understanding" of the statement.
The different possible answers can be:

1. "His people" can mean fellow "Black Men" to certain people.

2. "His people" can also mean fellow "Yoruba men" to certain people.

3. "His people" can also mean fellow "Nigerians" to certain people.


If we base our understanding solely on the interpretation of the listener, it becomes difficult to know that actual mean of the phrase "His people" because

the perception and prejudice of the listener influences the interpretation that is given to the phrase "his people". So in other to completely understand the

actual meaning of the statement we need to find a way to elimiminate the listener from the equation so that the influence of the perception, prejudice and

understanding of the listener would not be able to cloud the actual meaning of the statement.


Fortunately, this does not mean we still cannot know what the true meaning of the phrase "His people" is. This is because, once we are able to know and

accurately describe who the speaker (white man) is, it would help us understand what the meaning of his statement is.


Now assume that I had a phrase like this ", a dwarf white man told a Yoruba man, " it becomes easy to want to guess that the white man might have been refering to the Yoruba man being tall, Yet we are still not sure, because nothing in the statement refers to anything about the height of the Yoruba man or about the height of his people . As a matter of fact the dwarf white man might still have been refering to the Yoruba man as either being black or being a Nigerian. So we still need a clearer description of who the white man is and who the Yoruba man is.

However if we had the phrase like this that ", a racist white man told a Yoruba Man, ". We are completely sure that the statement was based on Skin

Color, due to the fact that the white man was qualified as being a "racist".

Therefore merely knowing things like "the character and description of the speaker" and "the character and description of the person being spoken to", makes

it possible for us to completely eliminate the listener and thus make the meaning of the statement to be independent of the listener.


----------------------------------------

Now let us get back to the scriptures:

An expanded quotation of scriptures from the Matthew 1:21 that you quoted is:

[b]
Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to

take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
[/b]


1. First and foremost an "Angel" via a dream was the one talking to Joseph, about the birth of Jesus, and about what Jesus was going to accomplish.

2. Secondly, I hope and believe you understand that Angels are spirits


3. Thirdly, Jesus was to be born as a Man (Flesh), (This means that Jesus was a man when he was born, unlike the Angel (who was not a man) when he was

giving Joseph the message).


Now that we have understood the description of who an Angel is, and and how Jesus is going to be born, let us consider the phrase where the angel said

", he shall save his people from their sins, ". The word "his" in this context , "means who Jesus related to". Jesus is to be born as "flesh being"

hence is not related to an "Angel" who is a "spirit being". So the phrase "his people" in this context means "the beings to which Jesus is related to when he

is born". (Note that once Jesus is born, He is not related to Angels "Spirit beigns" , but instead he is related to man "flesh beings" i.e. all of mankind).


"HIS PEOPLE" = "ALL OF MANKIND"


So you see contrary to the unfortunate deception or lack of understanding that you were trying to foster, , YOUR FALSE AND WRONG IMPLICATION THAT

JESUS CAME ONLY TO SAVE THE JEWS IS NOT TRUE.

AND I HOPE THAT THE EXPLANATION THAT I HAVE GIVEN ABOVE WOULD MAKE YOU AND EVERY OTHER DECEIVED INDIVIDUAL, TO UNDERSTAND THAT: Mat 1:21 "And she shall

bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." SIMPLY SAYS THAT JESUS SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE (ALL OF

MANKIND) FROM THEIR SINS.

THEREFORE IN CONCLUSION MR babs787, I HOPE YOU CAN NOW PLAINLY SEE THAT THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION IN MATTHEW 1:21.


(Please note: This my plaing explanation ougth to care of some other places where you implied that the bible contradicted itself as concerns the issue of whether Jesus came only to save the isrealites or whether Jesus came to save the whole of mankind.)

what's ur proof that evolution is false

@bawomol, I might be wrong, yet my guess is that you obviously didn't see the initial postings that I have made since the beginning of this thread.

This is because the answers to your question have already being provided in the previous posts on this thread.

So please in other to avoid repetition kindly go through and check the other posts on this thread.

@sysuser

Na wa o, babs787 must you go this far just to protect a lie as the truth,

You have been the liar and you cant deny that fact but let me respond to your and see the kind of person you have been

IT SEEMS THAT YOU TONE OF WORDS IN YOUR REPLY, INDICATE THAT YOU ARE ALREADY STARTING TO GET ANGRY AND AGITATED, THANK GOD THIS NA INTERNET (THANK GOD I AM NOT WITHIN YOUR PHYSICAL REACH) , NO ONE CAN BE SURE WHAT YOUR SUPPOSEDLY ANGRY TONE OF WORDS MIGHT ACTUALLY TURN INTO FOR ME ASSUMING IF YOU WERE WITHIN MY PROXIMITY.

I am not annoyed and will never be because I know that you know the truth but trying to accept same.

First and foremost, instead of giving me sincere and pragmatic answers to the questions that I had asked you, doesn't sound rather wrong for you to now give me answers like:

Okay.

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You can not do that but will only expose your fraud further. Let me quickly go through what you called answers.

It is a blatant lie.

Are you prepared for biblical accounts that contradicted evolution, physical evidences etc?

Are you ready for biblical verses that didnt come to pass?

Brother,like I said, do I serve you prophecies that seemed false and never materialised?
It is your problem and not mine. Let me know when you stop deceiving yourself.

Let us read the lies you are exposing.

Alternatively you can check them out for yourself which phrase you were responding to and which answer you ended up giving me:

Brother, I asked a straight forward question which goes thus:

Are you ready for biblical verses that didnt come to pass?

Secondly, , please please stop deceiving yourself and stop trying to deceive every other person (reading this thread, but who doesn't know his left from the right).

You have been doing that and you know that. What did you do to the contradicting verses I served you. Did you answer them?

I have not ignored your questions , instead I have already answered your question(s) about, Why the bible is 100% True, YET YOU IGNORE THE ANSWERS I GAVE TO AND STILL KEEP ASKING ME , "THE SAME QUESTION OF ARE THERE CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE",

Brother, dont fool me even if you have been doing that to your folks. You claimed that the bible is 100% true and I asked you to profer answer to some contradictions but till n ow, you havent done that and you are here lying that you have responded to that.Please show me where you have proferred answers to those contradicting verses from 100% inspired word of God that seemed to be TRUE!

I begin to wonder whether this is a kind of tactically method of trying to mentally and physically wear me out by asking the same kind of question over and over again, in the hope that I would soon get frustrated and simply stop trying to tell you the truth. I am sorry to say that God willing I am not going to let you off the hook so easily.

I dont do that but had to give you that when you tactically avoided that question and please you havent done that, kindly attend to that contradictions from the inspired book of God. Hope you remember when you sent same post in some threads trying to deflect topic, So respond to those contraditions and let us move on.

As an example of the similar kind of questions that I have come to notice that you (@babs787) repeatedly seem to keep asking me or other people is the one I am about to quote, below :

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Hey, common, stop deceiving yourself. I wasnt born into it, I came, I saw and accepted the truth. I was like you before I saw and accepted the truth.What Gospel are you preaching by the way and please was Jesus given the revelation during his time or after his death and was he given four gospels and are those authors really witness to his ministry and were they under any inspiration.



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Why are you denying the glaring truth and are you saying that there are no contradictions in the bible? Please deny that and I will serve just one. Hope you know that you ignored the one I gave you on Toi, Tou, Hadarezer, Hadadezen etc?


Quote
Once again, are you saying that there are no contradictions in your book anbd I will serve you verses contradicting each other from those that claimed to have witnessed jesus ministry and wrote the four books in which you must explain

Let me read from you denying the contradiction from your book and I will serve you just a tip in which you must explain the reason for going against each other in the inspired book of GOD!

Brother, you may quote me till tomorrow but that will not in anyway solve christians' problem. You claimed that your bible is 1005 ture and I served you some verses going agaimst each other in which you are supposed to provide explanation but rather than do that, you re-posted my quote trying to run from my question. Why not attend to those contradictions and we will see if your bible is 1005 true and inspired.
By the way, can I have the thread where you provided answers to my questions above?

, in cased anyone has not told you, before, AGE and EXPERIENCE, HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH UNDERSTANDING THE THINGS OF GOD, .

Meaning?

That you think you are old enough to know more about the bible or not is irrelevant, that you think you are experienced enough to know more about the bible or not is irrelevant. That you read the bible or not is irrelevant", that only shows that you have experience with the bible". It does not show that you actually understand what you have read.

Brother, dont deflect the thread, try to respond to those contradicting verses from 100% inspired word of God!!

What is important is that YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW,

Do you think you have understanding more than I do. Why not quit deceiving yourself because it has not been helping you.

So please , before you start trying to play the AGE and EXPERIENCE card, whenever you run out of FACTS AND FIGURES TO BACK UP YOUR LIES, understand that "AGE AND EXPERIENCE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH UNDERSTANDING"

Na real wa for christian apologists. Who ran out of facts betwen you and I?Have you responded to the contradictions I gave you?
Have you responded to the question of Jesus being sent a gospel and not a revelation and some other questions which can be found in your post?

Okay let me now show you verses in the bible detailing why AGE AND EXPERIENCE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH UNDERSTANDING For example , you ought to know who that verse was talking about.

Quote
Luk 2:42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
Luk 2:43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
Luk 2:44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.
Luk 2:45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
Luk 2:46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
Luk 2:47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

Brother, dont you ever try deflecting the topic but try to respond to those contradictions and some other questions in my post and if you think you have answered them, kindly refer me to the link you did that.

Thanks

Please babs787 it is understandable if you decide to pretend as if I or some other people have not already answered your question. It would be better by SIMPLY TELLING US THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE OR ACCEPT THE ANSWERS THAT WE HAVE GIVEN, , you can save everybody from the frustration of trying to answer the same question over and over again, by not repeating the same MANTRA.

Can I please have the answers you claimed to have supplied?

Please abeg, Apmaka Biko, WayoWayo, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WEAR ME/US DOWN WITH , QUESTION REPETITION,

You have been an escapist just like one of your sisters her. Kindly go through my post and respond to my questions and PLEASE IF YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE REPLIED ME, LET ME HAVE THE LINK YOU DID THAT

A sincere person (in fact even an atheist, ) reading this thread would know for sure that "the answers I gave you and the links to the physical evidences supporting the answers i gave you" are plainly there for everybody to see and check for themselves.

Are you that blind not to see my questions?I dont like liars

Obviously it is either that you have not checked the answers at all or simply that you have made up your mind to ignore them , "isnt it curious to know that you didn't not quote back any of the bible verses that I had used to support my claims " . Instead you have simply either avoided them or ignored them so that "it would look like I have not answered your question.

Can I have where you provided answers to my questions please

Deceit whether intentional or unintentional for the sake of allah is futile.

You may tell that to your folks that have been lying to themselves and couldnt defend the issue of trinity and other isues from your bible

Once again instead of considering the message and criticising the message you have decided to "attack my personality". PLEASE DON'T BOTTHER TRYING TO USE THE INTIMIDATION TACTICS ON ME (because it won't work). It becomes obvious that you are wrongly assuming that your intimidation tactics would work on me and also wrongly assuming that age or experience has anything to do with God.

I have not attack you and by the way do I know you from Adam to have attacked you?Common, stop deceiving yourself trying to avoid my questions? Let me have where you provided answers to my questions please

@sysuser

Mr babs787, You accused the Bible (God's Word) of lying by saying and implying that the Bible said contradicted itself by saying (in some places) that Jesus came to save only the Isrealites and also by saying/implying that the Bible also said (in other places) that Jesus came to save the whole world.


Mr babs787, That fact that you are asking these kinds of desperate and false questions and also making these kind of false implications, shows that you are either of the following.
Either that:

1. You are being purely mischevious, and you are therefore desperately looking for something in the bible which you can then say is a contradiction.

or

2. that you read the bible yourself but unfortunately you didn't understand those portions of the bible for one reason or another, and since you didn't

understand it you decided that the only sensible explanation to you, was that it was a contradiction in the bible.

or

3. that you were told by someone else that there was a contradiction there and then you "dogmatically" believed what you were told without trying to find out

the truth.

or

4. that you know the truth about the lies of the quran , mohammed and allah, but you are desperate to find a means of coverup for them and a means of relevance for them. As such one of the ways you try to use to do that is by trying to make the bible or every other person look like a liar.


The truth is that I don't know which of the above options applies to you, nonetheless I thank God, that deep down in your soul, you yourself know that at least one of those things I have listed above applies to you.

-------------------------------------------

About the Matthew 1:21, where you said there was a contradiction, ACTUALLY THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION, kindly follow me as I strive to teach.


You (babs787) said and I quote:



Quote
mattew 1v21: and she shall bring forth a son, and thou shall call his name Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins.

[color#990000]Who are Jesus people? The Jews are the people of Jesus because he was sent to them alone.[/color]




First and foremost let us do a little understanding of English 101 before we dwelve back into the scriptures.

Now for the english 101, consider this following example and explanation:

[color#005566]As an example, assume there was a statement which said that , "a White man tells a Yoruba man, that the Yoruba man should not live with him,

but instead the yoruba man should go and live with "his people"[/color]

From the above example and relative to the Yoruba man, what does the white man mean by the phrase "his people".


As an answer to the meaning of that statement, the following answers can be given by different listeners based on their level of "perception", "prejudice"

and "understanding" of the statement.
The different possible answers can be:

1. "His people" can mean fellow "Black Men" to certain people.

2. "His people" can also mean fellow "Yoruba men" to certain people.

3. "His people" can also mean fellow "Nigerians" to certain people.


If we base our understanding solely on the interpretation of the listener, it becomes difficult to know that actual mean of the phrase "His people" because

the perception and prejudice of the listener influences the interpretation that is given to the phrase "his people". So in other to completely understand the

actual meaning of the statement we need to find a way to elimiminate the listener from the equation so that the influence of the perception, prejudice and

understanding of the listener would not be able to cloud the actual meaning of the statement.


Fortunately, this does not mean we still cannot know what the true meaning of the phrase "His people" is. This is because, once we are able to know and

accurately describe who the speaker (white man) is, it would help us understand what the meaning of his statement is.


Now assume that I had a phrase like this ", a dwarf white man told a Yoruba man, " it becomes easy to want to guess that the white man might have been refering to the Yoruba man being tall, Yet we are still not sure, because nothing in the statement refers to anything about the height of the Yoruba man or about the height of his people . As a matter of fact the dwarf white man might still have been refering to the Yoruba man as either being black or being a Nigerian. So we still need a clearer description of who the white man is and who the Yoruba man is.

However if we had the phrase like this that ", a racist white man told a Yoruba Man, ". We are completely sure that the statement was based on Skin

Color, due to the fact that the white man was qualified as being a "racist".

Therefore merely knowing things like "the character and description of the speaker" and "the character and description of the person being spoken to", makes

it possible for us to completely eliminate the listener and thus make the meaning of the statement to be independent of the listener.


----------------------------------------

Now let us get back to the scriptures:

An expanded quotation of scriptures from the Matthew 1:21 that you quoted is:


Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to

take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.



1. First and foremost an "Angel" via a dream was the one talking to Joseph, about the birth of Jesus, and about what Jesus was going to accomplish.

2. Secondly, I hope and believe you understand that Angels are spirits


3. Thirdly, Jesus was to be born as a Man (Flesh), (This means that Jesus was a man when he was born, unlike the Angel (who was not a man) when he was

giving Joseph the message).


Now that we have understood the description of who an Angel is, and and how Jesus is going to be born, let us consider the phrase where the angel said

", he shall save his people from their sins, ". The word "his" in this context , "means who Jesus related to". Jesus is to be born as "flesh being"

hence is not related to an "Angel" who is a "spirit being". So the phrase "his people" in this context means "the beings to which Jesus is related to when he

is born". (Note that once Jesus is born, He is not related to Angels "Spirit beigns" , but instead he is related to man "flesh beings" i.e. all of mankind).


"HIS PEOPLE" = "ALL OF MANKIND"


So you see contrary to the unfortunate deception or lack of understanding that you were trying to foster, , YOUR FALSE AND WRONG IMPLICATION THAT

JESUS CAME ONLY TO SAVE THE JEWS IS NOT TRUE.

AND I HOPE THAT THE EXPLANATION THAT I HAVE GIVEN ABOVE WOULD MAKE YOU AND EVERY OTHER DECEIVED INDIVIDUAL, TO UNDERSTAND THAT: Mat 1:21 "And she shall

bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." SIMPLY SAYS THAT JESUS SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE (ALL OF

MANKIND) FROM THEIR SINS.

THEREFORE IN CONCLUSION MR babs787, I HOPE YOU CAN NOW PLAINLY SEE THAT THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION IN MATTHEW 1:21.


(Please note: This my plaing explanation ougth to care of some other places where you implied that the bible contradicted itself as concerns the issue of whether Jesus came only to save the isrealites or whether Jesus came to save the whole of mankind.)

You will now come again and tell me that you have answered my question. Is that my question? You even wasted your time trying to explain a verse, na real wa for you

This happened to be my question:


Why should Jesus specifically forbid, on the one hand, preaching the Gospel to the Gentiles Matthew 7:6,15:24,26) and yet on the other, tell the disciples to teach all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost? (Matthew 28:19)

I supplied you verses on that to help you find your bearing and here they are:

mattew 1v21: and she shall bring forth a son, and thou shall call his name Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins.

Who are Jesus people? The Jews are the people of Jesus because he was sent to them alone.


John 4v21-22: Jesus said unto her, woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem worship the father, ye worship ye know not what we know. We know we worship, for SALVATION is of the JEWS.

Jesus said that salvation is for the Jews because he came for Jews alone.


Mathew 15v24-26: but he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel……,


Here Jesus said, he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel although there are other countries apart from Israel but was sent only to them.


Mathew 10v5-6: these twelve, Jesus sent them forth and commanded them saying, go not on the way of the gentiles and unto any city of the Samaritans, enter ye not, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.



Math 19v28: and Jesus said unto them, verily I say unto you, that which have followed me, in the regeneration when the son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribe of Israel.


Jesus said that he and his disciples will judge the twelve tribes because he was sent only to Israel.


Also from the Holy Quran


Quran 3v49: and (make him) an apostle to the children of Israel….

Quran 43v59: he (Jesus) was naught but a servant on whom we bestowed favour and we made him an example for the children of Israel.


Quran 3v61: but whoever dispute with you in this matter concerning Jesus after what has come to you of knowledge, then say : come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.


So, why did he forbid his disciples from going to gentiles but told them to preach to all nations and please what do you understand by all nations?

So what do you also understand by 'all the nations'

So help yourself out.

@babs787 , I know and you know that I have CLEARLY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION (even though admitting it would a suicidal option for since, it would me things you have believed would start to fall apart).

Please , wasting my time , is not really a very good thing.

LOOK VERY CLOSELY TO MY ANSWER, (b4 you start lying and accusing me of not answering your question).

I have already started to answer your so called contradictory verses.

What I have just done is first and foremost take the very first one i.e. Mathew 1:21, and then explain to you why it is not contradictory.

I gave you that long explanation, (WHICH ON ITS OWN IS VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND IS ALSO CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION HAS YOU HAVE FALSELY CLAIMED),

My believe is that you have simply decided to ignore the explanation and proof that I have given you, THAT EXPLANATION AS TO WHY MATTHEW 1:21 IS NOT CONTRADICTORY, IS SO SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD THAT I BELIEVE EVEN A 100 LEVEL STUDENT WOULD UNDERSTAND ,


so PLEASE babs787 , STOP ignoring the obvious answers to your questions,


THE ANSWERS I GAVE YOU IS CLEAR FOR EVERYONE (EXCEPT YOU) TO SEE

One of the worst Creationist apologetics I've encountered, and the prophecy bit wasn't too much of a step above, either.

@sysuser

so PLEASE babs787 , STOP ignoring the obvious answers to your questions,

In order to wrap up this discussion because this will be my last post in this very thread:
Can you please supply me where you provided answers to my questions, particularly to those contradictions and my last question?

Thanks

i guess DNA variations, fossils and the ever changing life forms around us are made from magical fairy dust.

@SysUser: If we are to take your 'work' of explanation of 'his people,' from the bible to be true of Jesus who was born of flesh, to be true as to mean the whole of Mankind or every color and creed, then we have to assume therefore that Jesus did not do his Job correctly! First, he restricted his preachings to the Children of Israel alone and ordered his followers to do so! Jesus aught to know who he was sent to more than you, Johnny come later by close to 2000 years and far from the source of knowledge, because you live in Yoruba land of Nigeria! You never have in your life seen a true record of what Sleeping Joseph recorded as soon as he woke up to take 'his wife,' the pregnant Virgin Mary. Even though he 'knew him not,' your Bible did not put into consideration of the Semitic culture of Marriage at that time! To be living with a person you are not yet married to is a no no. To be married and do not consumate the marriage the very first day is also a no no! So Joseph can not be living with this virgin and married to her and did not consumate the marriage, the very first night!

If he knew the very first day that she was pregnant already, she will not be spending the night with him under the same roof! From the simple look of the natural process of relationship, in ancient cultures, your Bible writer did not do a good and possible job in the exegesis of the relationship between Pregnant Mary and Capenter Joseph! Now, again, if Jesus was for all the whole world he did not do a good Job and he failed miserably by not carrying his missionary duties beyond the Children of Israel! He also misinform his associates so, while he had 3 years to do it. Not the father nor the holy ghost reminded him of this mistake of not carrying the Good news to the rest of the world! he did not even try the Arabs who were so close to his neighborhood!

Finally, we must then assume whereever we find any prophet being instructed to tell his people something, it must be that he has been instructed to tell the whole world, and not just his tribe or country! Moses therefore must have been told to safe the whole world/mankind from under the oppression of Pharaoh and those peskey Egyptians! See the weak argument you present, passing it for something worth while?

Finally, because Jesus was called Emmanuel, meaning 'God with us,' does not mean anything other than it is name; God with us! Godwin as a name in Nigeria symbolises just that, a name! Oluwasegun in Yoruba is just that a name. Chukwuma in Igbo means just that, a name. (+Osisis, I did not forget you in this matter.)

My esteem SysUser, find another process, this is not doing it for you. Its riddled in fallacy!