thelastPope:

I don't get you sorry. Are you saying because Abraham did great sacrifices, he was exempted from tithes or what? Are you saying I should pay tithes because I didn't do as much sacrifice as Abraham? I don't get it

Fhemmmy:

The kinda of sacrifices that Abraham did, could you get close to it?
When God told him to get up and go to lands he never knew, could you? When he told him to go and sacrifice his child, could you even think of it?
It is easier for us to pick and chose what part of the bible that is fun to us and yet leave the other?

If we wanna follow the example of what someone did, we shd be willing to follow it all the way . . .

Pastor Kun:

We are called to follow christ and NOT abraham. Abraham allowed his wife sarah to commit adultery and even slept and had a child with his wife's maid, going by your rational are we also to copy these examples from Abraham?

frosbel:

in which case, I can also buy a bottle of brandy with my tithes and plenty of good food as the bible says we should , no ?


"25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household" - Deuteronomy 14:25-26

I mean if we are going to practise tithing we must do it with 100% accuracy , right ?

A-ZeD:


When two or three are gathered in my name, i am there... So my place of worship can be under the bridge with two beggars.
Its not a tithe until it passed through a pastor? I thought we were all pastors called to proclaim the good news..

Joagbaje:

There were 3 kinds of tithes . The one for the poor is done every three years . And it doesnt take the place of the anual one which has to be taken to the place of worship

A-ZeD:

I'm not trying to ignore anything. Its you. Jesus observed the sabbath, celebrated passover all biblical. Do you practice those too?
The law of Moses requires giving burnt sacrifices... Do you do that? If not why?

A-ZeD:
I've never said tithing is wrong. Jesus says we should give with our hearts not grudgingly or out of compulsion. So i encourage people to give. Whatever name you call it(Tithe, offering, seed na you sabi.) its your choice.

On a side note, Jesus said give to the poor so many times but he never said give the {insert any name} to the poor. The key word was/is give not the name of what you are giving.

Pastor Kun:

We are called to follow christ and NOT abraham. Abraham allowed his wife sarah to commit adultery and even slept and had a child with his wife's maid, going by your rational are we also to copy these examples from Abraham?

Boomark:

what of the other kinds of tithe. Also tell us Why the other kinds are now every week.

Joagbaje:

Nobody says tithe must be weekly. It depends on individual . It can be daily or yearly or monthly or weekly . It was yearly in bible days officially for the nation because they were farmers by default and harvest was annUal by default.

Tithing is a spiritual principle . We must not follow the detail of the OT structure. we look betting the letters to see rather into the spirit behind it. Or the principle . That's what count. Tithes , offerings , prayers, fasting, worship , etc are all spiritual principles. If you believe them , they work for you . If you don't believe them no problem.

Fhemmmy:

Remember you came around and said : cos Abram did not pay tithe, why should you? now i am putting it to you that if you wanna follow someone, follow all the way and not pick and chose what you feel is right.
Same Bible where Tithe was mentioned (instructed) Same Bible where Abram is, so if you because of Abram not paying tithe, could you do close to what he did, so dont say you cant get me, Sir . . it is simple analogy
Besides, we were told that the bible was written for our teaching, and instructions and more, so why do we select what is convenient and leave those that has to do with money?

St.Ola:
@Joagbaje, you have rightly said "there were 3 types of tithes". Yes tithes belong to the past, the decayed old testament that has withered-away. It has no business with the New Covenant. The blood of Christ has put to dead the reasons for such mandatory offering. Is it such rocket science to understand that Christ died for a reason? To perfect our reconciliation with God, which tithes, offerings, burnt offerings and the like could not accomplish. God in his own words has said "in those days, a new covenant I shall make with my people". In saying new, he therefore makes the former old."your offerings and sacrifices have not pleased me". He found a way to make it perfect yet you OBSTINATELY insist you want to be justified by that he which he has annulled. Next time a request is made for your tithes, ask to see the Levite who has refused the redemption of Christ, except you are a Jew.



Enough of the Malachi bullshit, Its not a new testament text, serving no purpose in this Christian Arguement. We all know Jews paid tithes as COMMANDED to, which they paid to Levites only as COMMANDED by God. As there no Levites, they have promptly stopped the practice. The same God that promised blessings and curses on tithes, has now said he has no interest, having provided a onetime everlasting sacrifice of the lamb of God.

thelastPope:

I am sorry but your statement is a little funny. We are discussing a doctrine not somebody's life style or achievements. A doctrine! I said Abraham did not pay tithe anywhere else because people are using him as an example why they tithe. This is not a competition but a doctrine. It has nothing to do with a man's achievements.

Do you burn incense? The israelites did. Do you demand compulsory circumcission? Abraham and and all jews do. Do you alters and sacrifice animals? Abraham did. Why don't we do all these things anymore? Because they were abolished when Jesus came and fuffiled the law. Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law including the curse of tithing! Gal 3:16. The Word of God that is wrttien for our instruction are not all the laws that were written in the books of numbers, leviticus and malachi. If it was, then we should be doing every other thing written there too, not just tithing.

Joagbaje:

Nobody says tithe must be weekly. It depends on individual . It can be daily or yearly or monthly or weekly . It was yearly in bible days officially for the nation because they were farmers by default and harvest was annUal by default.

Tithing is a spiritual principle . We must not follow the detail of the OT structure. we look betting the letters to see rather into the spirit behind it. Or the principle . That's what count. Tithes , offerings , prayers, fasting, worship , etc are all spiritual principles. If you believe them , they work for you . If you don't believe them no problem.

Fhemmmy:

^^^ There are still so many churches today that burn incense . . . and like someone said, it is not cos of what Abram did, but cos of what the bible said, i paid tithe, not cos i see other paying or not paying, but cos God's word - The Bible said it.
But i find it more funny when someone said cos of what someone did in the bible, they wanna follow same footstep but wont follow the rest of what the person did.
Tithing is scriptural and it is not about what part of the bible it was mentioned, and i have given some other part of new testament where you could refer to as tithing . . .

Joagbaje:

Nobody says tithe must be weekly. It depends on individual . It can be daily or yearly or monthly or weekly . It was yearly in bible days officially for the nation because they were farmers by default and harvest was annUal by default.

Tithing is a spiritual principle . We must not follow the detail of the OT structure. we look betting the letters to see rather into the spirit behind it. Or the principle . That's what count. Tithes , offerings , prayers, fasting, worship , etc are all spiritual principles. If you believe them , they work for you . If you don't believe them no problem.

plappville: When Jesus came, He kept the seventh day all His life. Luke 4:16; John 15:10.
Thus He followed His Father's (GOD)'s example at creation. Shall we not be safe in following the example of both the Father and the Son? Waw there numerous verses of how Christ paid tithe that we are so down with this issue? Instead of following His steps !

The seventh day is the Lord's day. Revelation 1:10; Mark 2:28; Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 20:10.

Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28), that is, to love and protect it, as the husband is the lord of the wife, to love and cherish her. 1 Peter 3:6.

Christ vindicated the Sabbath as a merciful method designed for man's good. Mark 2:23-28.

Instead of abolishing the Sabbath, He carefully taught how it should be observed. Matthew 12:1-13. Yet Christian stil ignore this Oh, they will not go and work or have fun on Saturday if they should observe Gods sabbath Yet persuade the poor people to Obey the Tithe law as if it was for the Love of God. If you truelly love God, keep his Sabbath.
And continue with your tithe dont be hypocrits..............;

But how is it, that you happen to step into church one early morning when nobody is there(not even on a sunday) and you see a brother or sister (who even diligently serves in the church on top) crying their heart out to God over an urgent/dire situation that can be solved with the money you have kept to give next Sunday as tithe...and I mean EXACT amount(and you have nothing else).

tpia@:



if you find yourself in such a situation, that means the person must have been monitoring you.


either bring up the issue before the church committee in charge of welfare and/or help the person with money from your personal pocket, separate from your tithe.


this stuff isnt that hard to figure out- no need for all the twisting and such.

tpia@:
the money you were intending to use for a new car, pair of jeans, girlfriend, etc, can also be used to help the poor.


the price of two bottles of odeku (beer) can feed someone.


you and your girlfriend/s can donate the funds meant for brazilian hair and blackberry, as well as buying nollywood movies to add to the thousands of titles you already have, can also be given to the poor.

thelastPope:

Congratulations! You just created the foundation for anybody to do what they like. From your position above, anyone can form their own doctrine and claim its a spiritual principle and claim that it works for them. There's a reason Rev 22 says you should not add or subtract from God's Word. Because of the kind of thing you just did.

The written word is the logos of God. It is the only guidaince for every believer in Christ. If you do anything and claim you are walking in some kind of spiritual principle that only you can verify and authenticate, then you are way into error and spreading some doctrine of devils. Anything outside the instruction of God's Word is a lie! You cannot write your own bible and you cannot create your own rules in the kingdom of God. You follow what has been handed over to us. All scripture is given by the inspiration of God. You are way out of line there!

2buff:

LOL now I think you're just being bitter.

I'll stop now for the sake of preventing derailment.
But those who want to can meditate on what I have written here.

2buff:

LOL @ monitoring. So someone can precog-monitor You to happen to be there when you never planned on happening to be at church that morning for whatever inconsistent reason?

And if your church has no welfare? And do not intend on it?

You don't know hard it can be for someone in this part of the world having no credit and unable to borrow from other sources.
They can only turn to God. At that point in time, it becomes up to whoever answers the call.

But know this, there has never been a time such calls in the Spirit have been made, and I having answered them, was not met with a stupendous burst of blessing in my life thereafter.
The next month, I simply resume paying tithe to the building, but the special project has been done and the blessings attained.

I will leave the matter at that and continue to do what works for me.

Joagbaje:

God never stopped tithes . Or offerings . He may not accept blood sacrifice because Jesus blood had covered all. But the principle of offerings is still there. You can't have true worship without offerings and sacrifice . The spiritual principles of God are eternal .

You can't say because Jesus had prayed for us or interceding for us so we should never pray again. Hope you get my point

Please read your bibles and not where the "MOG" INSTRUCT you to read.

God be

tpia@:


yes, as you well know.




start one.







you can answer the call with money you have besides tithe.

or is your own tithe 200% of your income?


eg instead of buying the latest bling bling or some other frivolity, give the cash to the person in need.




translate, thanks.