Mcdondayan:
How?

Fhemmmy:


I can understand where you are coming from, but we dont have to be in a church where we dont agree with their doctrine or lifestyle of the pastor

It is not about eithics but laid down principle . . if i think that that church has too much and i dont agree with the pastor driving around in poshy rides and flying in private jets, then, i will leave the church and go where i will blv in what they are doing, but for sure will make sure that my tithe is paid in the right way and right mind too.

2buff: '

My brother you lack serious understanding.
So from what you have said, you feel giving to the poor is not giving to God?

Read your bible, specifically deutoronomy, and understand what tithing is.

You are essentially saying you see a brother or sister suffering and starving and then you tell him "sorry the only money I have here is my tithe and I am going to put it in church".
WHO DO YOU THINK GOD CARES THE MOST FOR?

Tolaaaaannni:

Ok so let me get this straight, Are you trying to say that if a pastor is poor it means he teaches the right doctrine. Because their are tons of poor pastors out there in the world who collect tithes and don't give money to the needy out of the tithe. Again Ethics is the main topic here.

Iolo: No one has answered any of my questions

If the Bible clearly instructs Priest (the Pastor) not to own property, why are our Pastors of today contravening this?

georgee07: Yes, verrrrrrry wrong! Tithe is 10% of ur income rite?. D bible is very clear where u r to pay ur tithe--d house of God. Woteva happens to it is left to God to judge. Take out of D REMAINING 90% to help d poor. Obedience is better dan sacrifice.

Femsyn: For me, I care less of what anybody says and I am not here to quote the scriptures. Now, christians are expected to pay 10% of their earnings as tithes... Ok! Agreed!! But how many pple can beat their chests and say they pay the mathematical 10% of their "earnings". Some peeps earn far more than their monthly salaries, yet give 10% of their official salaries. We are all guilty in this aspect.
[/b]However, I will not! And I repeat, will not see a fellow brother wailing and wallowing in poverty and yet decide to give a so-called 10% to an already fat pastor. If the church falls in this category, then ofcourse why not. But Tithing is not the exclusive right of the church!!

Fhemmmy:

That is not my word at all, poor pastor and rich pastor, pastor is a pastor . . .
What we are talking about here to just obey the bible if you blv in it, obey the Quran if you blv in it, and obey the deities if you blv in it, but once you chose what you blv in, you have to follow the principle.
Again, it is not up to me to care what the church do with the money, it is up to God to show them pepper, cos He never waste His resources.
besides, the money was never mine, it is of the Lord, and He only chose to give me . . .

Tolaaaaannni:

Interesting you feel that way, because some people might argue that the bible can be translated in different ways, and that it all depends on the way a person views it. Meaning that where it says "giving my tithe to the house of God" can mean different things to different people. For some people it can mean literally giving your tithe to the HOUSE of God. For others it might mean basically giving because of God, in which you can point out to giving to the needy as such. Again ethics comes into place here. Would you rather give to the building, bricks, sand, stone, or would you rather give to an actual body. It will all come down to YOU. All I know is that If I see someone out there In need and I am in the place to help, I won't tell them "Oh I'm sorry sir/ma but I have to go give this money to the church".

Tolaaaaannni:

Interesting you feel that way, because some people might argue that the bible can be translated in different ways, and that it all depends on the way a person views it. Meaning that where it says "giving my tithe to the house of God" can mean different things to different people. For some people it can mean literally giving your tithe to the [b]HOUSE of God. For others it might mean basically giving because of God[/b], in which you can point out to giving to the needy as such. Again ethics comes into place here. Would you rather give to the building; bricks, sand, stone, or would you rather give to an actual body. It will all come down to YOU. All I know is that If I see someone out there In need and I am in the place to help, I won't tell them "Oh I'm sorry sir/ma but I have to go give this money to the church".

Logicboy03: Jesus said give to the poor.


I agree.


Help the needy, tithe to those who need it if you can.

Fhemmmy:


Then you will have to follow whatever translations that it meant to you, not necessarily mine, and that was why i said it is what you blv and the principle, again, when i see someone that is poor and needed, i will give them what i have but wont give them my tithe, cos that is not what my tithe is for . . . but i do understand what you saying, however, you are yet to answer me, when you give the poor your tithe this money, who will give that same needy person their tithe next week, and do you give that poor the 10% of your income or just part of it and why not give them the entire things and when you dont give entire thing, what happened to the rest of the 10%, give another poor or you keep it for God?

Tolaaaaannni:

Easy answer. If I give the poor my tithe, I have done my part. It is up to that person to use that money and help themeselves out. If they want to spend it lavishly they can go ahead, and if they want to invest with that money then they can do just that. I don't see why you are asking me, who will give them the next money like I am suppose to know. All I know is that I will give the needy my tithe if it comes down to it (Meaning all 10%, not 5% not 8% but 10). And that's because I actually have a heart that beats and a soul. Doesn't exactly mean I have to give my tithe to the church, I can pay my tithe by giving to the poor, which can actually be classified as doing God's work. Since I'm blessing the person with the money that God gave to me.

Fhemmmy:

So if you make 2M Naira a month and you see a poor person, you will give then 200,000 Naira?

Fhemmmy:

This is not what the discussion is about.
And i like the fact that you are personalizing it . . . [b]what you gave to the poor is not your tithe or do you give the entire 10% to the poor?[/b]

Tolaaaaannni:

If I make 2million naira a month and I see a person that is obviously IN NEED and cannot help themselves. You see that I said "In need and cannot help themselves" meaning not some lazing bum on the street that doesn't want to work. But someone that can't help the situation that they are in. Then absolutely I will give them 200,000 naira no doubt, or even more!

Mcdondayan:
Thats my question. If I decide to give the entire 10% to the poor, those whom i know to be really poor, is it wrong?

Mcdondayan:
My point is not just seeing anybody on the road and giving your tithe, i mean going out to look for the poorest of the poor who may not even know who you are and helping them enrich their lives with your tithe.

Tolaaaaannni:

If I make 2million naira a month and I see a person that is obviously IN NEED and cannot help themselves. You see that I said "In need and cannot help themselves" meaning not some lazing bum on the street that doesn't want to work. But someone that can't help the situation that they are in. Then absolutely I will give them 200,000 naira no doubt, or even more!

martin123: Malachi 3:10 (KJV)
10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.



In my own opinion, the Bible said in the scripture above, that we should bring it into the store house of the lord, so where will you regard as the store house of God? The Church of course

Fhemmmy:

Interesting and how come i think it is easier said than done . . .