sadeiyare:

And there you go, you just proved my point ; de-basing to win an argument, why can't your post be decent. I never insulted you

tevinsolt:

it just shows to me you're not a very bright person......you tap out easily and find ways to avoid a discussion with someone intellectually capable than you are....

Logicboy03:

Morality doesnt come from God. The moment you believe that, your morality can be very flawed if not careful.


A sense of morality comes from both evolutionary instincts, social evolution with the family and society and then the logic of the individual.



A christian can not use the bible to talk about morality with me. The bible is a book the supports sexism, slavery and racism- all in the new testament as well.

tevinsolt:

during the Nuremberg trials, the German attorneys were very smart and good.....they said who are the Allies to think they could prosecute the German officers because obviously they were following orders and they were doing what their culture told them to do, and Nuremberg trials closed down....until they realized wait a minute there's a law above cultural laws and also cultural right and wrong

Logicboy03:


I am not moved by your lies and hypocrisy.

I did not insult you. I clearly exposed your hypocrisy for avoiding the insults I received from your christian borthers and then claiming that I'm abusive when I retaliated.

Logicboy03:


Fool. I have answered this question in the previous post.


You create straw men and you want me to answer on your straw men terms.


Morality is shaped with evolutionary instincts, logic, interactions with society and family.


Logically, does it make sense to kill unnecessarily?Why do you ignore the part where I mentioned logic?




You have no idea about my ethics and so dont lecture me on my concept of "wrong". I think in terms of benefit, propbabilites, necessity and props and cons.

sadeiyare:

Why are you judging me by other people. Try this, look for one of your thread and search out locally an argument between you and me and find out if I ever insulted or debased you when trying to make my points, and do same for your post also.
I did only respond to the topic of the op as my own personal comment, because I find it very funny when someone will start calling me all sort because I don't agree with his/her beliefs. Afterall if freedom of religion doesn't permit what I am doing the constitution of Nigeria does.

tevinsolt:

these are your words...if you can't see the connection in what i wrote in my previous comments......oh well!

Logicboy03:


When did I abuse you for not agreeing with my atheism? Why do you lie so much?


I was not commenting on this thread alone. I am not commenting in a vacuum. For you to see my comments you must have seen other comments. Singling me out of all the abusive comments preceding my retaliation is nothing short of hypocrisy.


You claimed that atheists are abusive by comments here however, it was your christian bors that started the insults and constituted the nuisance here.

Logicboy03:


Again, draw the link between my comment and the Nazis having a failed culutral law.

sadeiyare:

All I am saying is that we don't have to be harsh in our arguments in here ; because most of the time the substance is lost in all the act of names calling. And like you said christainity is not morality, but in the context of what the op is trying to say, I believe Christainity is a step above morality, going by the defination of morality in our world today

tevinsolt:

[b]again you have appealed to objective morality.......If God does not exist then objective moral principles and obligations do not exist. Morality would only be a matter of individual or cultural opinion. But this would mean that torturing babies for fun, rape, & child abuse are not really objectively wrong, and are only a matter of opinion. How likely is it, though, that these atrocities are not really objectively wrong? Can you live with this conclusion? Our deepest intuitions inform us that these actions are horribly wrong.

This is really a summary of a moral argument for God’s existence. Formally it looks like this:


If God does not exist, objective moral principles & obligations do not exist
Objective moral principles & obligations do exist
Therefore, God exists
Consider premise 2. By objective we mean independent of opinion, just like 2 + 2 = 4 is objectively true even if everyone in the world disagreed. Despite people’s claims to being relativists, most people live as if they do believe in objective moral principles & obligations. It’s easy to say there are no objective moral principles & obligations, but it’s much more difficult to live as if there are none.[/b]

Logicboy03:


This is what you should have said in the first place.


However, I still disagree that christianity is a step above morality. Examine these passages;




Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

1 Cor 7:21-22
"21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave."

Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."

Logicboy03:


This is what you should have said in the first place.


However, I still disagree that christianity is a step above morality. Examine these passages;




Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

1 Cor 7:21-22
"21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave."

Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."

Logicboy03:



If you really believ that the only reason that I shouldnt come to your house this morning and kill you is god, then you have clear reasoning problems.

objective morality exists without god. However, morality is not always objective.



Think of the benefits (disadvantages) of murder to the society/humans/the individual and then come back

Logicboy03:

You have always been a quack biologist




Who is saying that malaria and flu are cause by the same parasite? Why do you love strawmen?


The point is that the parasites/bacteria/viruses that cause these diseases are evolving. Quack biologist

Logicboy03:


This is what you should have said in the first place.


However, I still disagree that christianity is a step above morality. Examine these passages;




Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

1 Cor 7:21-22
"21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave."

Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."

yah:

You funny die. . .the "resident theist scientists" pushed logic into science room, and are now attempting to drown him in a tank of quinine - to send him to heaven quick quick!

sadeiyare:

Now you understand me. Paul was writting to people that were slaves under the Romans, and mind you thee Romans were not christains. If you read Philemon to see how Paul took on himself the fault of a slave and adressed that he should be treated like a man

ifeness:

you are living over 2000 years after Paul. aint you supposed to be more advance and civilized than he is? why all these references to what the primitive people thought? Don't you have your own opinion?

Don't you know that enslaving people is wrong? you don't need a bible to know that,do u?

ifeness:

you are living over 2000 years after Paul. aint you supposed to be more advance and civilized than he is? why all these references to what the primitive people thought? Don't you have your own opinion?

Don't you know that enslaving people is wrong? you don't need a bible to know that,do u?

sadeiyare:

Why do you depend on the sun for energy, is it not too old to sustain you. You and I know that wisdom has got nothing to do with age, if not I can conclude that because you are older or younger than me, then there isn't any room for contention

And you should know that God is taking us higher to His level and not enslaving us

Psalm 82: 5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High

ifeness:

The sun is obviously responsible for all life on this planet,just like the light bulb attracts insects. That as absolutely got nothing to do with a god but NATURE.

I do not believe in a god nor a bible written by men in order to be moral. I simply you my brains.

I do not judge anyone, look down on gay people, enforce my rules on anyone,worship a god or anyone. No hell,no heave,above us ia a sky and a vast universe beyond our imaginations.

If you keep living your life according to a book,then what is the purpose of life? Dont tell me you must worship a god because that is certainly a waste of life

davidylan:

Do you believe you had one either? Lets be honest, if all white people were religious... there would be not a single one of you atheist today. Dont you have your own opinion?

sadeiyare:

You don't judge, but you say I am wasting my life. If I may ask you one question, is your knowledge supreme to decide for another person what is right and what is wrong ? And you sounding like what you know today did not come from you reading or learning through what ever means

ifeness:

White people? I live among them. I am certainly not influenced by them because most preachers i have encountered are whites and they are the mormons who used to believe that black people are less human. Why would i want to associate myself with such people? The black slaves were forced to accept jesus before given their meals. They quoted from the same bible you carry everyday.

The bible was the best tool of oppression the white used and it is still working. Cant you see yourself defending the same book?

You need to know that some slaves refused the christian doctrine and were burnt alive. I probably would have been one of them if such evil acts were still practised.

ifeness:

I am not judging you,its only obvious you are influenced by the bible.If you consider non christians are going to hell then i would be right to think my knowledge is superior to yours.

I was born into a christian family too. I was a very curious kid at the sunday classes. I noticed all the paintings of god and his angels were whites. I refused to worship the white mans god.

If i may ask you,what does jesus look like? You must have a jesus picture on ur living room wall......i guess you know the colour of the image.

ifeness:

I am not judging you,its only obvious you are influenced by the bible.If you consider non christians are going to hell then i would be right to think my knowledge is superior to yours.

I was born into a christian family too. I was a very curious kid at the sunday classes. I noticed all the paintings of god and his angels were whites. I refused to worship the white mans god.

If i may ask you,what does jesus look like? You must have a jesus picture on ur living room wall......i guess you know the colour of the image.

davidylan:

to be honest you wouldnt have been one of the atheists burnt at the stake then. You see, way back then there were very few white atheists to do your thinking for you so obviously you would have been a bible thumping fellow like me.

Unfortunately, you're too enamored in your own sense of moral superiority that you dont realize much of the atheism that exists today particularly among blacks is largely imported from the white man. You're simply copying the thoughts of the likes of Rich Dawkins. Left to you, you would have no basis for your unbelief.

sadeiyare:

In even trying to answer you still seat an judge, mind you such judgement is not independent and thereby not going to be fair. Judging between me and you, why don't you allow the arguments counter themselves

ifeness:

What does jesus look like?

ifeness:

What does jesus look like?