Marriage is the most fundamental block of human institution.It is an institution which God holds in high esteem.

Prophet Muhammed married so many wives (Some sources say from 20 to 30 to 40 ). Marriage to Aisha was troublesome According to the Hadith (which is the Muslims second holy book after Quran) :

In Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, book 58 and number 234 :

Aisha , the teenage wife of Muhammed (The spiritual leader of Muslims) was narrating her ordeal here. How she was forced into marriage because the girl have no idea what was going on. she was engaged to Muhammed at the age of 6years and married Muhammed at the age of 9 years old.

Another example was the marriage of Muhammed to Maria (The Egyptian coptic Christian):

Maria al - Qibtiyya was sent as a slave gift. How could the prophet take a woman in slavery as a wife ? Maria is a coptic Egyptian christian. In Surah 66:1-5 : This causes jealousy amongst Muhammed's wives.

Dissolution of marriage is permitted for the so called holy prophet Muhammed.

Another example was the marriage of Muhammed to Zaynab bint Jash.

According to  " The History of Al - Tabari : The victory of Islam Vol. V111 pp. 2 - 3 "  Jayid said in summary that the he has heard that the prophet came to his house, why didn't he go in. Perhaps his wife Zaynab might be exited about him and if Muhammed like her, he will leave the wife for Muhammed.

Jayid was the adopted son of muhammed. There was no evidence that there was trouble with this marriage. Muhammed married the wife of his adopted son. Muhammed adopted son delibrately divorced his wife for Muhammed (that sexual pervert), that is morally apprehensible. How could you take the wife of your adopted son ?

In Surah 33:37, Muhammed was fearful of people around him when this whole issue was going on. Whilst most of his marriage are to widows. Khadija his first wife was a multiple widowed woman.

What is the bible view about marriage :

That Marriage is binding for life. Monogamy is the uniform teaching of the Bible. Polygamy is contrary to the New Testament dispensation. No one has a right to divorce and remarry while the first companion lives. When a person becomes converted, necessary restitution, on this line, must be done without delay, if he has married wrongly. Genesis 2:24; Deuteronomy 7:1-4; Joshua 23:11-13; II Corinthians 6:14-18; Proverbs 31:10-31; Malachi 2:14,15; Romans 7:2,3; Ephesians 5:31-33; Matthew 5:31,32; 19:3-9; Mark 10:2-12; Luke 16:18; John 4:15-19; Genesis 20:3,7.

So marrying a divorced woman is Adultery according to matthew 5:9. Muhammed took so many wives, but allow or permitted his Islam followers to marry 4 wives.

Polygamy (Is completely contrary to God's will)  is creating a lot of stress and trouble in the world today.

Number one :

There is so much stress on the husband, to divide his income, to divide his time, to divide his love and also satisfy the women. Also there is stress on the women as well because her needs are not met. The man cannot meet this demand and as a result, the women look else where for this satisfaction. At least we saw what happened after the death of MKO Abiola and how so many women which he acquired, were all claiming that the children which they had belongs to him, all for the DNA to prove some of them wrong.

Number two :

There is horrible rivalry amongst the wives and their children. Children from different mothers regard themselves as  bitter rivals.  They use all sorts of voodoo and witchcraft to disrupt the progress and wellbeing of themselves and their husband.

Number three :

In Islamic countries where sharia and aggressive polygamy is practised. There is stress on the children because the children are neglected. The father who is suppose to be there for the children and guide those children will never be there and as a result, most of these children grow up to be " Osama bin Laden Junior ", some turn to drinking and smoking.

So marriage in the Quran is not from God, but from the satanic messenger Muhammed.

According to Genesis 2 - It says that a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave himself unto his wife and the two of them shall become one flesh. Also Jesus said in Matthew 19 that : a man shall leave his parents and cleave unto his wife and the two shall become one flesh. So what mohammed teaches is entirely and completely contrary to the teachings of the bible. So the marriage in the Quran is purely human invention (Muhammad style). Which would only lead to disaster.

Take a look at homes where pure monogamy is practised :

There is no stress on the man neither is there is stress on the woman.

Monogamy gives equal dignity to the woman

Preserves children followed in the biblical model. Christ is a model of love because he gave himself as a perfect sacrifice so that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life.

There is peace in the home

Their marriage is like heaven on earth.

What can be learned from Islamic marriage :

Marrying a little girl is permitted in Islam (the so called religion of peace ).

Marrying a divorcee is permitted.

Incest is permitted in Islam

Polygamy, which is an abuse on Marriage is permitted in Islam

Also forced Marriage is permitted , as we have seen with Muhammed and Aisha.

What do you learn about Christian Marriage :

True Monogamy as defined in Genesis 2

Marriage is for matured people NOT a matured man and a  6 years old girl. When God created Eve, Eve was a matured woman not a baby girl.

Incest is a sin. Incest results in the birth of deformed children.

Marriage is created by God  and he holds it in high esteem. Your choice of partner can determine your destiny, so prayer is very very important and God's direction is indispensable. So a Godly nation starts from a Godly couple , then a Godly children, then a Godly community and so on.

Marrying a divorcee is adultery

The only condition, that can make a christian to marry again is when the partner is dead, that is he or she is a widow or widower.

Christian marriage is suppose to be like a little heaven on earth.

Polygamy / polygyny / Polyandry is adultery.

Any input, please lets discuss,

In the Bible:

Jesus considers women as dirt that defiles men (since Jesus, the GOD, is the one who supposedly inspired the New Testament as Christians claim): Revelation 14:4 "Those are those (men) who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as first fruits to God and the Lamb."

The verse does not say "those who did not defile themselves with fornication or adultery". Have the verse said that, then it would've included both males and females and there would be nothing to disagree about. But the verse clearly and irrefutably says: "those who did not defile themselves with women", which means (1) No females will be among those men; and (2) Women are defiling to men.

Women are not only spiritually defiling to men as Jesus put it, but they're also physically defiling when they have their menses. Anything they touch becomes unclean: Leviticus 15:19-30 "And if a woman have an issue (her period/menses), [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it [be] on [her] bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean. And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she [shall be] unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And the priest shall offer the one [for] a sin offering, and the other [for] a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness."

I think it is safe to say that Revelation 14:4 and Leviticus 15:19-30 are sister verses.

Birth of any female is a loss: Ecclesiasticus 22:3 ", and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss" (From the New Jerusalem Bible. It's a Roman Catholics Bible).

If a woman gives birth to a baby boy, then she becomes unclean for 7 days. But if she gives birth to a baby girl, then she becomes unclean for 14 days. So in other words, the birth of any female causes double the pollution: Leviticus 12:2-5 "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a MALE child: then she shall be unclean SEVEN DAYS; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying THIRTY THREE days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. But if she bear a FEMALE child, then she shall be unclean TWO WEEKS, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying SIXTY SIX days."

I think it's safe to say that Ecclesiasticus 22:3 and Leviticus 12:2-5 are sister verses.

If a woman tries to save her husband from a beating by grabbing the other man's private parts to lift him off her husband, then both her hands must get cut off: Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "And in case men struggle together (in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one (to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin), she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of the men must feel no sorrow."

Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls: Exodus 21:7-8 "And in case a man should sell his daughter as a slave girl, she will not go out in the way that the slave men go out. If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master so that he doesn't designate her as a concubine but causes her to be redeemed, he will not be entitled to sell her to a foreign people in his treacherously dealing with her."

Daughters inherit nothing when there are sons: "If a man dies and leaves no son, turn his inheritance over to his daughter. (Numbers 27:" So the American law of splitting everything equally is not Biblical.

Jesus himself in Revelation 14:4 considered women as dirt that defiles men. Even Jesus, the Christians' highest model, despised women in the Bible!! It is crystal clear that women in the Bible are nothing but a defiling dirt and trash to men. This is no insult to women by me. This is just simply the way the Bible views women. Ironically, Jesus confirmed this view.

Marriage from multiple women in Islam might not be allowed for those who might result in damaging the society with their marriage by bringing more illiterate, poor, and in many cases starving children to the society

Let us look at Noble Verse 4:3 "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice."

Notice how Allah Almighty allowed polygamy only for helping the orphans (more women are needed to take care of the Muslims' and infidels' orphans after every battle.) Notice also how Allah Almighty ordered the men to be either fair to their wives or else to never marry more than one wife.

Let us look at Noble Verse 4:129 "Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practise self-restraint, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." Here we clearly see that Allah Almighty tells men that they will never be fair to their wives.

Let us see why then Allah Almighty temporarily ordered polygamy but yet very highly discouraged it, and why I personally believe from the Noble Quran that polygamy should not be allowed today to most Muslim men in the Muslim world.

What was the purpose of the Noble Verse 4:3?

Noble Verse 4:3 was revealed to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in Madina after he migrated to it from Mecca and established an Islamic state there right after the battle of Uhud in which the Muslims not only had lost badly against the Pagans, but also suffered a dramatic decrease in the number of Muslim men. The Muslim men before that battle were approximately 700. They became only 400 after the battle. This loss had left so many Muslim women (1) Widows, and (2) Not able to get married if they were single.

To make matters even worse, the Muslims had faced yet another battle against the Pagans in Mecca and its neighboring tribes who wanted to attack the Muslims in Madina to finish off Islam once and for all, and by the Jews and the Christians in Madina who betrayed the Muslims in the "battle of Trench" after signing a defense treaty with Muhammad peace be upon him against the Pagans.

All praise due to Allah Almighty. With Allah's Will and Mercy, the Muslims had miraculously won the battle against the Pagans of Mecca and drove them back to where they came from, and then attacked the Jews and the Christians who betrayed the defense treaty and kicked those hypocrites out of Madina forever!

These continuous battles against the Muslims were very costly in terms of Muslim men's lives. The women had to be taken care of one way or another. For this reason, Allah Almighty had revealed the Noble Verse 4:3 to Muhammad peace be upon him to solve the social problems that the Muslims were facing. That is why at the very beginning of the Noble Verse 4:3 we see Allah Almighty setting a conditional clause for Orphans "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, (4:3)." This Noble Verse came down for the purpose of protecting the Orphans and to increase the number of the Muslims by allowing the men to marry multiple wives (preferably from the grown Orphans at that time), up to four wives only. The purpose was absolutely not for man's sexual pleasure nor privilege, nor was it to support man's personal ego. It was revealed to solve a major social problem to prevent major sins such as illegal sex and prostitution.

Polygamy is not encouraged in the Noble Quran, nor Allah Almighty had allowed it because He really liked it. He was clearly careful to highly discourage polygamy to men by telling them "but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, (4:3)" which clearly orders men to either be fair or to not marry at all, despite the fact that we lost many men, Allah Almighty still didn't want polygamy to really take place. That's why He later told men "Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire, (4:129)" which clearly nullifies the excuse that He gave them to practice polygamy. Is this a contradiction then? Absolutely not!. It clearly proves that when Allah Almighty allowed polygamy, He only allowed it because we (the Muslims) had an emergency; we lost almost half of our men if not even more. When Islam later became much stronger and Muslims defeated the infidels in the continues battles that were forced upon them (the Muslims), Allah Almighty nullified the excuse that he gave to men to practice polygamy, which would then lead to prohibiting polygamy altogether.

The way I read Noble Verse 4:3 is as follows:

Allah Almighty ordered us to take care of the Orphans in our Islamic society (Noble Verses 2:177, 2:215, 2:220 and much more). He then commands us that if we fear that we will not be able to provide enough support for the too much Orphans in our society (especially after the battle of Uhud where more than half of the Muslim men were lost), then marry up to four of them to provide a social balance between men and women. But if a person feels that he can't handle multiple women, then one is just fine.

That's really all there is to it. Please read the Noble Verse again and compare it to my brief explanation above:

"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. (The Noble Quran, 4:3)"

Why didn't Allah Almighty then directly prohibit polygamy?

Because Islam is the most straight forward religion, and because Islam is truly a religion for all times and all places that doesn't need to be modified as some of the other religions in the world do (including Christianity). Allah Almighty left the issue of polygamy open for Muslims in case Muslims face dilemmas in the future like the ones we faced during Islam's weak times by losing too many men. In cases like this, Muslim scholars should look into allowing polygamy. But until then, polygamy should be completely prohibited by the Muslim scholars according to the commands of Allah Almighty.

To see polygamy in the Bible where a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry, see Exodus 21:10 in the Bible. Please note that King David in the Bible had six wives and numerous concubines according to 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3. King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines according to1 Kings 11:3. Also, Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines according to 2 Chronicles 11:21.

Why then did Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him practice polygamy?

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him can be treated as an exceptional case. The Noble Verses that I presented above clearly talked about men and women in general. They apply to all men and all women. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was a Messenger of GOD (filled with sympathy and mercy to people) and a leader for all Muslims. He didn't practice polygamy for the sake of sexual pleasure at all. Most of his wives were either widows (older than him in age too) or divorced women (also most of them were either older or same age). Only one of his wives was a virgin, and he only married her because her father was his best friend. He wanted to strengthen that relationship. And it was her father who offered her to our Prophet peace be upon him anyway.

If our beloved Prophet peace be upon him really seeked sexual pleasure, then he would've married young virgins from the Muslims. Back then, people loved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him so much, that they would literally do anything for him. Certainly fathers would've given him their young virgin daughters if he wanted to. Many people offered him their young virgin bosomed daughters anyway to raise their families' honor, but our Prophet never seeked that sexual privilege in life.

Because Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was a smart political leader and a wonderful humble merciful true Messenger of Allah Almighty, he chose to marry the weak from his people to encourage the Muslim men to do the same; to create a balance in the Muslim society. Again, another emergency case that existed during Islam's weak times that forced the Muslims (including Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him) to practice polygamy.

Can anyone be absolutely fair?

No one on this earth including Muhammad peace be upon him can be absolutely fair. Our Prophet peace be upon him used to pray in one of his prayers to Allah Almighty by saying in Arabic "Allah humma innaka taalamu be anni aadiloo bima astatee', wa lakinnee la aadiloo bima la astatee'," which means in English "Dear Allah, you are well aware that I try to be just with all I can, but I can't be just with what I can't." This prayer means that our Prophet always tried to be fair as much as possible, but he couldn't always do that.

One time, Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said this prayer, because he used to love his wife Aisha (who was the youngest of his wives) the most, and he always feared that he would not be fair to the rest of his wives. Muhammad peace be upon him recognized that he was only a human being, and he can not be fair especially in his feelings at all time.

This clearly proves that Islam highly discourages the marriage of multiple wives for (1) Because no one can be fair; (2) polygamy is only allowed when the male species is endangered in a society; and (3) The Noble Verse 4:3 orders us to marry only one wife if we feel that we will not be fair.

The Noble Verse that I presented above also clearly proves that no one can be absolutely fair; "Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practise self-restraint, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:129)"

Too much illiterate and starving kids damage the society and Islam:

Today in some of the poor Muslim countries, some poor men still practice polygamy. What benefit would it really serve the society and Islam for a person to bring more illiterate and starving kids into this world?

I honestly believe that practicing polygamy among the poor and starving is not allowed in Islam. Allah Almighty will hold accountable every man who practices polygamy. Poor men practicing polygamy don't provide fairness to the newly born kids and to the economically crippled society, and certainly not to their wives either.

If people practice polygamy without being thoughtful to others, then I am certain that Allah Almighty will take that negatively toward them, because Allah Almighty clearly demanded that we be fair, and think thoroughly before having multiple wives. He clearly encouraged just having one wife.

Too much illiterate and starving kids damage the society and Islam:

Today in some of the poor Muslim countries, some poor men still practice polygamy.  What benefit would it really serve the society and Islam for a person to bring more illiterate and starving kids into this world?

I honestly believe that practicing polygamy among the poor and starving is not allowed in Islam.  Allah Almighty will hold accountable every man who practices polygamy.  Poor men practicing polygamy don't provide fairness to the newly born kids and to the economically crippled society, and certainly not to their wives either.

If people practice polygamy without being thoughtful to others, then I am certain that Allah Almighty will take that negatively toward them, because Allah Almighty clearly demanded that we be fair, and think thoroughly before having multiple wives.  He clearly encouraged just having one wife.

What if the person is rich and can afford polygamy?

I think it would be ok, but the man would still be taking a very high risk in displeasing GOD Almighty for anything that goes wrong in the marriages and the damages that it would cost the wives and the kids. If his kids will not be a burden on the society, and he makes sure that his wives are all treated well and equally as much as he can, even though he will never be perfectly just, then he might be ok.

Brining well educated kids into a Muslim society definitely helps. But if a rich guy practices polygamy the way some of the oil rich Gulf-Arab multi billionaires practice it; by marrying and divorcing on Thursdays which ensures that he never exceeds four women, and at the same time he always experiences new sexual pleasure with a new woman every week, then believe me Allah Almighty will damn him really bad in the Day of Judgment, because this is not the spiritual point from allowing polygamy in the Noble Quran!

I think practicing polygamy among those who can afford it really depends on the individual case. If the man's wife strongly opposes to polygamy to a point that she would seek a divorce, then obviously he can never satisfy her, and most probably can never be fair enough with her because he would be always fighting and arguing with her, where it may not be the case with the other wife. So destroying a marital life and damaging the kids for a personal reason is really not fair by itself, unless of course the wife is unbearable and the man and wife don't want the divorce, which in this case it would be a great idea for the man to have another wife.

Also, some Muslim women don't mind polygamy. And yes, some of them even seek wives for their husbands. If this is the case, then polygamy in this case would not be a problem, provide that the man can financially afford it and can provide a good quality life for all of his wives, and most importantly, can provide a good quality of education to his children.

As I said above, Allah Almighty clearly revealed Noble Verse 4:3 for the protection of the Orphans and to solve a major social imbalance between men and women. The Noble Verse never really came for man's pleasure, nor did it come for general purposes like in the Bible where men can practice polygamy for just about any reason.

So men in Islam are really taking risks when they practice polygamy for personal reasons only, because they will be held accountable for everything that goes wrong in the multiple marriages, and for any martial dissolutions that will ultimately hurt the kids the most.

Router . . . when you are ready to do a lot more than shamelessly plagiarise http://www.answering-christianity.com/polygamy.htm then we can reason together.

lol, Did it provide a good answer to lies posted by your shameless holyghost inspired brother in christ or not,

router:

In the Bible:

Jesus considers women as dirt that defiles men (since Jesus, the GOD, is the one who supposedly inspired the New Testament as Christians claim): Revelation 14:4 "Those are those (men) who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as first fruits to God and the Lamb."

Plagiarism is a crime and here on nairaland,it's become the classic Muslim  way,copying other peoples write ups and parading them as theirs.
Be decent enough to quote the site you copied from and the rebuttals.


Yes those 144,000 were selected specially for a purpose and they were to remain chaste.
Just like Christ himself was never married and remaine a virgin,he had a purpose and a ministry to fulfill.
There was also John the Baptist who had specifications of food,he had a calling.
Samson was not to shave his hair,that was a mandate for a purpose.

God created man,Adam and wthen created a wife for him or a purpose.
That's why the Bible says the following

         

Gen 1:27  So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

So you see,God instituted sex and marriage,Adam and Eve were not called to be unmarried.

Now let's look at what preceeded the passage you copied and pasted.

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Rev 7:4   And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:


The Bible further tells us these are from the tribe of Israel,called for a purpose and they were to be chaste and undefiled,only solely after the master's business since we know marriage can present a distraction and the specific part those 144,000 would play in the end times required such a calling.
But see where I,pilgrim1,cgift,davidylan,Jesoul,tayoD and all Christian believers fall in Halleluia

Rev 7:9   After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
Rev 7:10   and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"


Glory Halleluia!
Thank you Jesus!!
Who was,who is and is to come.
The lamb that sits upon the throne.
To you be ALL Honor,Glory,Might and all Dominion forever!!!!!!!

router:

lol, Did it provide a good answer to lies posted by your shameless holyghost inspired brother in christ or not,

no it didnt. It simply reaffirms my belief that muslims cannot clearly defend their "faith" and have to rely on plagiarised volumes of nonsense from spurious websites which they themselves do not understand.
It is doubtful that you even read more than 2 paragraphs of your own "copy and paste" post.

All the answer that was required was a honest personal response.

4Him:

Router . . . when you are ready to do a lot more than shamelessly plagiarise http://www.answering-christianity.com/polygamy.htm then we can reason together.

at least you've taught him something about honesty.
Mohammed don't know swat about that

router:

lol, Did it provide a good answer to lies posted by your shameless holyghost inspired brother in christ or not,

is it "paining" you that we've practically weighed Muhammad (piss be unto him) and his allah on the scale and found them him wanting?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that allah was just Mo's alter ego.
First off allah says max of 4 wives and mo had over 22 including a little girl and slaves captured from war.
Make sure to stick around,we'll show you things you never knew.

As for your reference to old levitical laws,Christ fulfilled all of the law.He is now the lawIt does not apply to Christians

now let's see the Word of Life and bestseller of all times

Hbr 7:11   Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?

Hbr 7:12   For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

geddit now honey?

router:

In the Bible:

Jesus considers women as dirt that defiles men (since Jesus, the GOD, is the one who supposedly inspired the New Testament as Christians claim): Revelation 14:4 "Those are those (men) who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as first fruits to God and the Lamb."

The verse does not say "those who did not defile themselves with fornication or adultery".

the above caught my eye because +osisi pointed it out. The fact that the author of the initial article that router plagiarised assumed that since the verse says nothing about adultery and fornication automatically means that the bible was portraying women as dirt shows his lack of understanding of biblical concepts.

1. Where those 144,000 people only men? Certainly not . . . 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

The bible does not tell us they were just men only (what of women and children?) . . . and we know from several other passages that the bible uses the term "men" as a generic term to refer to a group of people, men, women or children.
So quite clearly the 144,000 people would have included women.

2. Rev 14:4 says these "men" were virgins (pls see again verse 4 in highlights) . . . but was it talking about physical virginity? Definitely not, God instituted marriage . . . it would thus not make sense that he chose 144,000 virgins! Would that preclude all married couples who are also believers? No.

When the bible refers to "virgins" . . . it is talking about being pure and undefiled from the influence of the world . . . pls read Rev 17 for an example of where the bible uses the term "fornication" not in reference to sex but to refer to worldly influence.

Thus Rev 14 cannot be literarily interpreted to suit the ignorant purpose of the confused author of this plagiarised article. In simple terms . . . those 144,000 "men" refer to the body of Christ . . . it is in that context that they are refered to as "virgins" who have not defiled themselves with women.

@ Router

I think it is safe to say that Revelation 14:4 and Leviticus 15:19-30 are sister verses.

We have gone through Rev 14 and shown that the writer of the article was clearly bereft of any deep understanding of that verse at all to be able to assume it is saying the same thing as Lev 15.
Lev 15 no longer applies to christians today as we are no longer under the law of sin and death but under the law of grace.

Birth of any female is a loss: Ecclesiasticus 22:3 ", and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss" (From the New Jerusalem Bible. It's a Roman Catholics Bible).

That cannot be true. Deborah was a female judge of Isreal for several yrs. Annah was a prophetess in the temple and many of Christ's close confidantes in His time on earth where female.

Daughters inherit nothing when there are sons: "If a man dies and leaves no son, turn his inheritance over to his daughter. (Numbers 27:" So the American law of splitting everything equally is not Biblical.

Again not true . . . Micah was a daughter of King Saul . . . David, through his marriage to Micah, claimed some inheritance . . . remember that King Saul also had Jonathan as a son.

Jesus himself in Revelation 14:4 considered women as dirt that defiles men. Even Jesus, the Christians' highest model, despised women in the Bible!! It is crystal clear that women in the Bible are nothing but a defiling dirt and trash to men. This is no insult to women by me. This is just simply the way the Bible views women. Ironically, Jesus confirmed this view.

The author produces no single shred of evidence beyond Rev 14:4 to buttress his misguided point. His understanding of Rev 14 has been proven to be false so we can safely deduce that the author is merely struggling to interject his own oppinion here.

The Bible is not a book but a collection of very different books, hence its possible that such a quotation was made in the old testament. What most people tend to forget or rather not know is, the bible is never a God's word book, God Say this, God say that, sortof book. Rather the bible is a reference to stories or rather the historic past with contextual quotes made during that time or after that time.

Some people would agree that The God of the Old Testament is a God of wrath while the God of the New Testament is a God of love. Some people wouldn't, they would say its the same God. Nevertheless In reality, God never evolved. It was human understanding of the nature of God that evolved, hence the transformation from the vengeful and unpleasant Yahweh to the loving and kind God the Father. The Bible is a compilation of Jewish/Christian understanding of a Deity over centuries. Thus, while it was okay to stone someone to death for adultery in the Old Testament, the New Testament is filled with nothing but love, love, love. Same God? Then why such different laws?


Some people like Muslims would scream contradictions when it suits the context and forget the source of the bible and the time. The same Muslims ironically would use the origin of the bible as a stand to dismiss its weight, why not applying that to the variations from the old to the new.

Christianity is not a perfect religion, far from it, so is Islam, considering its infested with Arabian culture and a lot of its practices can be debated against. What amazes me the most, is the links between the old testament and the Quran, pretty interesting it can be.

The question that I am pondering now on is :- "Is Evolution cyclical?" or "Is the understanding of people about God cyclical". This is in context with the Islam that was preached 150 years after the death of the prophet of the religion Islam. Was it the same Islam that was practiced by this man? Or was it changed? Do remember that this religion was the one that saved Arabia from its dark ways, back then from their barbaric acts such as "burying their daughters alive" to other indecent, degrading social and moral customs.

@ router, Islamic people on Nairaland and other Osama bin Laden Juniors:

Why do you find it hard to write things in your own words 

Why are plagiarising so aggressively from your Islamic websites Do it mean that most of you who claim to be so called true adherents of Islam don't read your Quran and Hadith, which you consider as holy books ? And even if you read it, you don't understand what it says

lol, Did it provide a good answer to lies posted by your shameless holyghost inspired brother in christ or not, 

@router :

There is no point giving you answers because it is clear you cannot reason with your head. Plagiarising so aggressively is a shame 

Jesus considers women as dirt that defiles men

what is your reasoning behind that ? Where in the bible can we find that I can't be bothered reading your copy and paste response, because they are not your own write up.

One more thing I would like to say, when it comes to referencing marriages that occurred 1000+ years ago. We should not use present acceptable social norms to evaluate them. We should use the acceptable social norms of that particular time to evaluate that particular time even if it does not seat with our beliefs and social norms.

Today a good analogy, would be : A Nigerian man decided to spank his disobedient son's buttocks in Nigeria. They moved to the US one year later, and the Child after being aware of the law on child protection, decides to sue his father for child abuse under the relative child protection law.

The question is, is it normal within Nigerian culture to spank a disobedient child? Would it be classified child abuse in Nigeria? Would it be fair for the judge in the US to make a ruling on the father for the act which the father committed in a society that practices it and think its a method of deterrent?

This is relevant to this case here in the context of Mohammad in Arabia 1000+ years ago. Was it normal for people in Arabia 1000+ years ago to marry 10 year old or 12 year old girls? Do we have evidence to prove otherwise? Did he get away with a heinous crime? Where young girls 1000+ years ago in Arabia rebelling against such heinous crime? Did they accept the cultural norm? Did they run away from their husbands because they were displeased? Or did they embrace it because thats what their culture is?

The question goes on and on, and its very imperative that we do answer those questions before we decide to judge a persons practice 1000+ years ago. Yes I agree today we have evolved to a more tolerable, mature, and more culturally advanced civilization, but would it be fair for us to judge a 1000+ year old civilization with our present advanced social acceptable norms and laws.

lol, Did it provide a good answer to lies posted by your shameless holyghost inspired brother in christ or not,

@ Rioter,

Who is a lair, Hadith or Poster that quoted accurately form the Haddit

So all this evil are in your hadit If so then toooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Jesus is Lord!

@router :

It is a shame that you are one of the adherents of Islam, when it is crystal clear that Quran is not from God.

I plead the blood of Jesus christ on your behalf , May God lead you to the truth.

@Focused, +Osisi: Just one man Router, see how many shameless locust bees came out of their grazings? Then surprisingly, dafidixone, was pleading the blood of Jesus! Was any shed? And this blood can it cover/prevent Hitler and Mussollinni (Just to name a few unjust Christians, in the human history), from going to the 'lake of fire'/(Jahannam)? If your answer is no, then the blood if ever shed (not) has no real power behind it!

@Focused, +Osisi: Just one man Router, see how many shameless locust bees came out of their grazings? Then surprisingly, dafidixone, was pleading the blood of Jesus! Was any shed? And this blood can it cover/prevent Hitler and Mussollinni (Just to name a few unjust Christians, in the human history), from going to the 'lake of fire'/(Jahannam)? If your answer is no, then the blood if ever shed (not) has no real power behind it!

@Olabowale :

Router only plagiarise from Islamic websites. He did not explain things in his own way neither did he explain things from his own understanding, knowledge or discretion. Just like the way you and other little Osama Bin ladens on Nairaland do plagiarise aggressive from Islamic website , because all of you have no knowledge of Islam and you claim to be true adherents of Islam

I am sure you know nothing about Hitler. Hitler was not a christian. Hitler is an atheist.. When you read the history about Hitler, please try and understand what you are reading.

I am sure you don't even understand the Quran and Hadith you claim to be reading. You see you know nothing about Christians and neither do you know nothing about Jesus Christ.

Of course the blood of JESUS was shed on the cross of Calvary. When I say blood of Jesus, if you don't understand, please ask.

Your problem here is ignorance. I see you are deeply involved with this messenger of the devil called Muhammad (piss and faeces be upon him). I cannot say peace be upon him because his false religion which he founded is causing problem and mayhelm all over the world. Take a look at the people who are dying everyday either as a result of suicide bombing or being killed by all these Islamic fanatics, who act and behave like psychotic donkeys. Take a look at Sudan where, Arab Muslims (supporter of APC) are busy killing black muslims like Eid el fitri rams

I pray that the blood of Jesus will damage your Ignorance in the name of Jesus (Amen)

Relax people,it's not that bad yet.

@Focused:

I am sure you know nothing about Hitler. Hitler was not a christian. Hitler is an atheist, When you read the history about Hitler, please try and understand what you are reading.

I guess all those Sunday Church he attended, were places where Atheists gathered!

I am sure you don't even understand the Quran and Hadith you claim to be reading. You see you know nothing about Christians and neither do you know nothing about Jesus Christ.

This guy in Ilu Oba, knows me well; he is able from long distance to dial me up and know that I know nothing about Qur'an and Hadith! And he is correct, again about my not knowing that Jesus was the son of Virgin Mary. That Jesus was a prophet/messenger for the Children of Israel and he was given a revelation. Of course his revelation had since been lost and what we have is the tampered with 'new product,' being passed up as original.

Of course the blood of JESUS was shed on the cross of Calvary. When I say blood of Jesus, if you don't understand, please ask.

Was that blood the same as the blood of god? Sorry god the son or maybe son of god? Come to think of it, if the three are inseparable and always the same, then from the Bible, you will have to say that the Bible is saying the blood of the three!

Your problem here is ignorance. I see you are deeply involved with this messenger of the devil called Muhammad (piss and faeces be upon him). I cannot say peace be upon him because his false religion which he founded is causing problem and mayhelm all over the world. Take a look at the people who are dying everyday either as a result of suicide bombing or being killed by all these Islamic fanatics, who act and behave like psychotic donkeys. Take a look at Sudan where, Arab Muslims (supporter of APC) are busy killing black muslims like Eid el fitri rams

From this point on forward, I will not respond to you. I think that you are very immature. You need to grow up. When you abuse a prophet, then you have abused the prophet you have chosen instead of him. Good bye.

@Olabowale :

I guess all those Sunday Church he attended, were places where Atheists gathered!

You told you that Hitler attended Sunday School ? Olabowale, if you don't know something, it will better for you to ask, so that I can tell you what you don't know.

  This guy in Ilu Oba, knows me well; he is able from long distance to dial me up and know that I know nothing about Qur'an and Hadith! And he is correct, again about my not knowing that Jesus was the son of Virgin Mary. That Jesus was a prophet/messenger for the Children of Israel and he was given a revelation. Of course his revelation had since been lost and what we have is the tampered with 'new product,' being passed up as original.

Who knows you in Ilu Oba ? I am saying that you don't know anything about Islam. If you know the secrets embedded in the cult you call Islam, you will run away fast. So your problem here is advanced ignorance. I will continue to pray for you and I will continue to plead the blood of Jesus on your behalf.

Was that blood the same as the blood of god? Sorry god the son or maybe son of god? Come to think of it, if the three are inseparable and always the same, then from the Bible, you will have to say that the Bible is saying the blood of the three!

You will continue to wallow in this ignorance of yours. God have mercy !!!!!!

I think that you are very immature. You need to grow up. When you abuse a prophet, then you have abused the prophet you have chosen instead of him. Good bye.   

Did you call Muhammed a prophet ? Or a messenger of the devil. Do your reseach very well. Islam speaks for itself.

I plead the blood of Jesus on your behalf .

From this point on forward, I will not respond to you.

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Calm down Ola. The truth is just bitter. I pray you see the truth (Amen)