Denise216:

And again, for the record, you considered Miller's quote an attack, not me.

kwangi:
I'll like to believe you misunderstood me.

kwangi: They don't. What kind of proof do you want or expect. In what form?
That aside, YOU ARE ON POINT!
We're saying the same thing.
But...It's not really that far fetched considering the fact that any attack on religion or religious people covers Paganism.
This' what I mean. Do you think the response in the first link about witchcraft, wiccans, and all that would be the same if those involved were Nigerian Atheists?

Denise216:

That might be the case.

Denise216:

I usually look for a consensus in the form of an organization or platform with an agenda. This would meet the standard of evidence as far as proof.

As far as your question; I'm not familiar with the Nigerian Atheist perspective no Pagan belief systems. Do these Pagan beliefs compromise the safety and security of the people, in or outside of it? Does it hinder social progress or influence legislation? Those are usually questions that Atheists ask when assessing a religion /belief system. Nigerian Atheists might see all beliefs systems in that regard. What do you think?

Logicboy03:

There is no god mentioned, just a hopeful statement. You didnt say "in Jesus/Buddha's name"

cyrexx:

seriously, you think Islam cant survive the next two centuries?

With the high birth rate among muslim communities, their strong Islamic indoctrination from childhood, refusal to modify and rationalise Islamic belief system in light of modern science and with the persecution and sometimes the threat of fatwa on those who dare to leave islam, methinks Islam is here to stay for a very very long time.

People will still need the comfort and community support that only religion can provide, even if religious claims are not verifiable and logically sensible.

Until humans are able to answer all the great perplexing questions of life and find meaning for their life without resorting to religion, religion is here to stay, maybe forever till the end of time.

I must also add to my prediction that secularism and humansim, which are based on atheism, will continue to flourish and increase all the more. More closet atheist will begin to come out. Some muslims and christians are secretly atheists. They just dont want to be ostracised from their family and friends by openly challenging and questioning some things in their religion. But in the future, it will be easier to declare oneself an atheist or agnostic.

Femmymata2: This is an intelligent post. As an athiest i believe religion will be around forever,but i'm hoping knowledge will increase towards liberating ourselves from self-induced delusion

Atheist:-D:
Xtians seem to take Islam more seriously than the practitioners....no??

Atheist:-D:


Because of the damage religion does by these practitioners.

As long as religion brings forth good things it will have a role in society. If it brings forth the evil we witness on a daily basis then I would prefer to address these issues.

Think of religion today being a placebo pill filled with a poisonous substance. It might solve one or two isues but it creates a whole new set of problems that are much more dangerous.

naijaboyof4life:

What evil has religion done to this world. It is non-Christians causing the problems of the world. Now let name what non-Christians have done to this planet.
1. Adolph Hitler - responsible for the death of 6 million jews
2. Osama Bin Laden - Responsible for most terrorist attacks on people.
3. Africans leaders
i. Responsible for the selling of their people during the slave trade
ii. Responsible for the brain drain happening.
iii. Bunch of western butt-lickers that do and copy whatever western nations tell them to do or are doing. (mind you real-Christianity was not created in the western world, it was created by our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ from Heaven down to earth (israel) then it spread across)
4. Chinese governments - Put their people under oppression with no freedom of speech.
5. African dictators - responsible for killing of innocent blood.
6. Soviet union leaders - all atheist and killed people that didn't believe in their own goal.
7. Racist people (most whites) - who felt that people who were not like them should be in chain or be segregated against.
8. Mass shooting that happen in america are done by a bunch of phyco atheists

Now let us talk about what Christians have done to this world, I mean Christians not fake Christians.
1. Abraham Lincoln - Freed the slaves even though not because he loved black people that much. He never had slaves. Even recites a quote that was spoken by Jesus, "a house divided against itself cannot stand."
2. Martin Luther King - was against violence and was for peaceful protest(faith with works), if not for God that used him with other black people, some of you here talking will not be talking.
3. Some of the founding fathers of america - believed in natural right given by God.
4. Christians missionaries - going around the world preaching the gospel and feeding the poor while being prosecuted.
and all others that I forgot to mention.

naijaboyof4life:

What evil has religion done to this world. It is non-Christians causing the problems of the world. Now let name what non-Christians have done to this planet.
1. Adolph Hitler - responsible for the death of 6 million jews
2. Osama Bin Laden - Responsible for most terrorist attacks on people.
3. Africans leaders
i. Responsible for the selling of their people during the slave trade
ii. Responsible for the brain drain happening.
iii. Bunch of western butt-lickers that do and copy whatever western nations tell them to do or are doing. (mind you real-Christianity was not created in the western world, it was created by our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ from Heaven down to earth (israel) then it spread across)
4. Chinese governments - Put their people under oppression with no freedom of speech.
5. African dictators - responsible for killing of innocent blood.
6. Soviet union leaders - all atheist and killed people that didn't believe in their own goal.
7. Racist people (most whites) - who felt that people who were not like them should be in chain or be segregated against.
8. Mass shooting that happen in america are done by a bunch of phyco atheists

Now let us talk about what Christians have done to this world, I mean Christians not fake Christians.
1. Abraham Lincoln - Freed the slaves even though not because he loved black people that much. He never had slaves. Even recites a quote that was spoken by Jesus, "a house divided against itself cannot stand."
2. Martin Luther King - was against violence and was for peaceful protest(faith with works), if not for God that used him with other black people, some of you here talking will not be talking.
3. Some of the founding fathers of america - believed in natural right given by God.
4. Christians missionaries - going around the world preaching the gospel and feeding the poor while being prosecuted.
and all others that I forgot to mention.

striktlymi:

Good morning naijab,

I admire your zeal but the above is ridden with all manners of fallacies! Logicboy responded well though some of his comments too are fallacious!

Fallacy jam fallacy!


#Observing...

Logicboy03:


YOU MUST BE SILLY.

You know that his comment was full of fallacies but as a christian you couldnt accept the fact that an atheist (me) corrected him and showed him how evil christians can be. You want to pull me down with your brothers fallacious comments


Show me something fallacious about my comment please or shut up.

Logicboy03:


YOU MUST BE SILLY.

You know that his comment was full of fallacies but as a christian you couldnt accept the fact that an atheist (me) corrected him and showed him how evil christians can be. You want to pull me down with your brothers fallacious comments


Show me something fallacious about my comment please or shut up.

striktlymi:

Good morning naijab,

I admire your zeal but the above is ridden with all manners of fallacies! Logicboy responded well though some of his comments too are fallacious!

Fallacy jam fallacy!


#Observing...

kwangi: Please, point out the fallacies for logicboy.

kwangi: The answer is no to all your questions.
As for the Nigerian atheist, being an atheist for him/her is a status of "enlightenment" and "exposure" (You must agree those terms are relative).
They attack everybody who does not subscribe to atheism. Labeling them as ignorant and of lower IQ.
They don't care whether any of the religions under their attack pose any threat to the social, political... life of the society.
And paganism is devoid of any of these ills.
If they consider thing the way those guys in your link do, people would find it hard terming atheism a religion.

Denise216:

Atheism isn't a religion and you're perception of condescension as an attack is a bit extreme. I think you might have an issue with the lack of humility and unwillingness to hide their lack of belief, even daring Muslims, Christians, and Pagans to violate their right to express themselves freely. I find it quite brave.

kwangi: A bit extreme? That's an attack!
Just accept that.
Ofcourse, you can't be humble and be in fight mode at the same time! That's why there is lack of humility and 'unwillingness to hide their lack of belief".
Your choice of words are interesting. The way you couched the part about belief...
...Lack of belief! Everybody lacks belief!!!
The question is, in what? There are two ways to say that.
-their lack of belief in the supernatural.
-their belief in the non-existence of the supernatural.
Their (atheist) lack of belief in the supernatural is inevitably a belief in something else. I noticed it was convenient for you to just write lack of belief and just stop there.
Since religion is a belief system, don't you think atheism falls into that category? Atleast, the law courts in your dear country thinks it is.

kwangi: A bit extreme? That's an attack!
Just accept that.
Ofcourse, you can't be humble and be in fight mode at the same time! That's why there is lack of humility and 'unwillingness to hide their lack of belief".
Your choice of words are interesting. The way you couched the part about belief...
...Lack of belief! Everybody lacks belief!!!
The question is, in what? There are two ways to say that.
-their lack of belief in the supernatural.
-their belief in the non-existence of the supernatural.
Their (atheist) lack of belief in the supernatural is inevitably a belief in something else. I noticed it was convenient for you to just write lack of belief and just stop there.
Since religion is a belief system, don't you think atheism falls into that category? Atleast, the law courts in your dear country thinks it is.

kwangi: ^^There's really nothing in my post that's difficult to understand!
Ok, if they are not attack then what are they?
I think you just don't want to accept that because it doesn't help your argument.
As for the belief part, forget it. Can't you see you are running in circles?

kwangi: Na wa o!
I think you've lost it.
Who's the victim?
Read the topic again, it's a question, not a complain.
You see what I 'm talking about? You're assuming things.

Denise216:

You took offense to an observation that doesn't impact your faith or ability to practice it. You still consider it an "attack" and for no good reason other than it made you uncomfortable. Deal with it kiddo, they're saying worse about Blacks in Brazil.

kwangi: Wow!
Looks like you are the one taking offense.
You sound really pissed.
Please do away with the emotional outbursts. You risk sounding incoherent
Try and see things for what they are, even if the reality doesn't go down well with you.