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Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 10:04pm On Dec 14, 2012 |
Denise216:The quote can't possibly be an attack! On who? Atheists? It's just an observation. What i interpreted as attack was the part about taking religion more seriously than the practitioners. "Taking religion more seriously..." alludes to those bashing in whatever guise atheists dump on religion and religious folks. The passion involved in those bashing. That's what I interpreted as attack. I'll like to believe you misunderstood me. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Denise216(f): 4:40am On Dec 28, 2012 |
kwangi: That might be the case. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Denise216(f): 4:54am On Dec 28, 2012 |
kwangi: They don't. What kind of proof do you want or expect. In what form? I usually look for a consensus in the form of an organization or platform with an agenda. This would meet the standard of evidence as far as proof. As far as your question; I'm not familiar with the Nigerian Atheist perspective no Pagan belief systems. Do these Pagan beliefs compromise the safety and security of the people, in or outside of it? Does it hinder social progress or influence legislation? Those are usually questions that Atheists ask when assessing a religion /belief system. Nigerian Atheists might see all beliefs systems in that regard. What do you think? |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 4:47pm On Dec 28, 2012 |
Denise216:That is the case |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 5:01pm On Dec 28, 2012 |
Denise216:The answer is no to all your questions. As for the Nigerian atheist, being an atheist for him/her is a status of "enlightenment" and "exposure" (You must agree those terms are relative). They attack everybody who does not subscribe to atheism. Labeling them as ignorant and of lower IQ. They don't care whether any of the religions under their attack pose any threat to the social, political... life of the society. And paganism is devoid of any of these ills. If they consider thing the way those guys in your link do, people would find it hard terming atheism a religion. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 11:33pm On Dec 28, 2012 |
Logicboy03:Was going through this thread and read this again. I didn't want to modify my previous answer to this. My question to logicboy is: What are prayers if not hopeful statements? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Femmymata2(m): 12:10pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
cyrexx:This is an intelligent post. As an athiest i believe religion will be around forever,but i'm hoping knowledge will increase towards liberating ourselves from self-induced delusion |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 5:40pm On Dec 29, 2012 |
Femmymata2: This is an intelligent post. As an athiest i believe religion will be around forever,but i'm hoping knowledge will increase towards liberating ourselves from self-induced delusionEverybody is deluded. It depend on who you ask. To that muslim guy, you are the most deluded person on the earth's surface! So, chill on your self induced arrogance. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by naijaboyof4life(m): 6:15am On Feb 09, 2013 |
Atheist:-D:since when or you mean it is the other way around |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by naijaboyof4life(m): 6:39am On Feb 09, 2013 |
Atheist:-D: What evil has religion done to this world. It is non-Christians causing the problems of the world. Now let name what non-Christians have done to this planet. 1. Adolph Hitler - responsible for the death of 6 million jews 2. Osama Bin Laden - Responsible for most terrorist attacks on people. 3. Africans leaders i. Responsible for the selling of their people during the slave trade ii. Responsible for the brain drain happening. iii. Bunch of western butt-lickers that do and copy whatever western nations tell them to do or are doing. (mind you real-Christianity was not created in the western world, it was created by our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ from Heaven down to earth (israel) then it spread across) 4. Chinese governments - Put their people under oppression with no freedom of speech. 5. African dictators - responsible for killing of innocent blood. 6. Soviet union leaders - all atheist and killed people that didn't believe in their own goal. 7. Racist people (most whites) - who felt that people who were not like them should be in chain or be segregated against. 8. Mass shooting that happen in america are done by a bunch of phyco atheists Now let us talk about what Christians have done to this world, I mean Christians not fake Christians. 1. Abraham Lincoln - Freed the slaves even though not because he loved black people that much. He never had slaves. Even recites a quote that was spoken by Jesus, "a house divided against itself cannot stand." 2. Martin Luther King - was against violence and was for peaceful protest(faith with works), if not for God that used him with other black people, some of you here talking will not be talking. 3. Some of the founding fathers of america - believed in natural right given by God. 4. Christians missionaries - going around the world preaching the gospel and feeding the poor while being prosecuted. and all others that I forgot to mention. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 7:08am On Feb 09, 2013 |
naijaboyof4life: Ignorant christian -The Europeans who engaged in the African slavery were largely christians. The big chrisitan denominations were ok with slavery at the time and apologized- the cathllic church, baptists, Anglicans etc -Hitler was a christian who believed that killing the Jews was the work of our lord -#there were also civil rights leaders who were not christians -many of the founding fathers had slaves -kindky explain what the christian founders of America did to the native indians when they got to america. The native indians were almost wiped out |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 8:27am On Feb 09, 2013 |
naijaboyof4life: Good morning naijab, I admire your zeal but the above is ridden with all manners of fallacies! Logicboy responded well though some of his comments too are fallacious! Fallacy jam fallacy! #Observing... |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 11:47am On Feb 09, 2013 |
striktlymi: YOU MUST BE SILLY. You know that his comment was full of fallacies but as a christian you couldnt accept the fact that an atheist (me) corrected him and showed him how evil christians can be. You want to pull me down with your brothers fallacious comments Show me something fallacious about my comment please or shut up. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 2:43pm On Feb 09, 2013 |
Logicboy03: |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 6:11pm On Feb 15, 2013 |
Logicboy03:Bro, you gotta take it easy. You could have simply asked her to point out the fallacies. Emotional outbursts like this is what allows people to assert that atheists take religion more seriously than the practitioners. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 6:13pm On Feb 15, 2013 |
striktlymi:Please, point out the fallacies for logicboy. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 3:50pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
kwangi: Please, point out the fallacies for logicboy. obviously striklyme has nothing |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Denise216(f): 3:14am On Feb 28, 2013 |
kwangi: The answer is no to all your questions. Atheism isn't a religion and you're perception of condescension as an attack is a bit extreme. I think you might have an issue with the lack of humility and unwillingness to hide their lack of belief, even daring Muslims, Christians, and Pagans to violate their right to express themselves freely. I find it quite brave. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 3:39am On Feb 28, 2013 |
Denise216:A bit extreme? That's an attack! Just accept that. Ofcourse, you can't be humble and be in fight mode at the same time! That's why there is lack of humility and 'unwillingness to hide their lack of belief". Your choice of words are interesting. The way you couched the part about belief... ...Lack of belief! Everybody lacks belief!!! The question is, in what? There are two ways to say that. -their lack of belief in the supernatural. -their belief in the non-existence of the supernatural. Their (atheist) lack of belief in the supernatural is inevitably a belief in something else. I noticed it was convenient for you to just write lack of belief and just stop there. Since religion is a belief system, don't you think atheism falls into that category? Atleast, the law courts in your dear country thinks it is. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Denise216(f): 1:22am On Mar 01, 2013 |
kwangi: A bit extreme? That's an attack! It's not an attack just because it makes you uncomfortable. Religion is a political economic system, no more no less. I used the word "belief" out of respect for people its more than that. Your problem is that they aren't hiding what they believe and for some reason you feel entitled to an explanation. Go figure. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 8:48am On Mar 01, 2013 |
^^There's really nothing in my post that's difficult to understand! Ok, if they are not attack then what are they? I think you just don't want to accept that because it doesn't help your argument. As for the belief part, forget it. Can't you see you are running in circles? |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by ijawkid(m): 10:24am On Mar 01, 2013 |
kwangi: A bit extreme? That's an attack! |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 11:05am On Mar 01, 2013 |
Logicboy! You have not answered my question about prayers! Did you forget innocently or conveniently? |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Denise216(f): 2:28am On Mar 02, 2013 |
kwangi: ^^There's really nothing in my post that's difficult to understand! I'm not running in circles, I'm not just giving you what you want; support for your offense. It's not an attack, its an observation that has no affect on your ability to practice your beliefs. You have this idea of how non-religious/non-spiritual people should conduct themselves. You're also projecting; being offended doesn't grant you victim status and that is something you having a problem accepting. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 3:55am On Mar 02, 2013 |
Na wa o! I think you've lost it. Who's the victim? Read the topic again, it's a question, not a complain. You see what I 'm talking about? You're assuming things. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Denise216(f): 10:15am On Mar 02, 2013 |
kwangi: Na wa o! You took offense to an observation that doesn't impact your faith or ability to practice it. You still consider it an "attack" and for no good reason other than it made you uncomfortable. Deal with it kiddo, they're saying worse about Blacks in Brazil. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Nobody: 11:28am On Mar 02, 2013 |
Denise216:Wow! Looks like you are the one taking offense. You sound really pissed. Please do away with the emotional outbursts. You risk sounding incoherent Try and see things for what they are, even if the reality doesn't go down well with you. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Take Religion More Seriously Than The Practitioners? by Denise216(f): 11:21am On Mar 03, 2013 |
kwangi: Wow! ^ Is a better example of "running in circles". I guess the point is to get me to focus on defending my emotional or lack of emotional state instead focusing on the issue. I find this happens a lot with male debaters when they can't support/defend their own premise and the opponent is female. Stay on topic, defend your premise, or concede, either way is better than the stunt you're trying to pull. |
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