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Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Joagbaje(m): 11:21am On Oct 31, 2013 |
DrummaBoy: Pant of lies ! Keep up the drama |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by DrummaBoy(m): 12:30pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
Joagbaje: It wasn't written for you to believe. You could even say that Drummaboy is Pastor Kun, it doesn't change anything. Truth is truth, lies can't subtract from it. Same with the issue of tithing! |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Gombs(m): 12:48pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
^^ Just like how Goshen said I and Jo are same And BTW it still doesn't change d fact dat Kunle, had multiple IDs na KunleOshobs, PastorKun I cancelled the above o! |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Alwaystrue(f): 2:56pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
Without wondering what even brought up this kind of comment, it really is a hint to understand now why some were tithing before and stopped. It is truly a thing of the heart, indeed. However, God truly knows those who are rich towards Him with the right heart. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Nobody: 3:47pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
Alwaystrue:Yeah..His motive wasn't right when he started tithing 25yrs ago..Truly like Cain. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by DrummaBoy(m): 4:00pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
Alwaystrue: I am DrummaBoy, like Goshen 360 will say, and I endorse the above query. Especially the bolded. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Alwaystrue(f): 4:06pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
@Bidam, Please only God knows people's true motives though it may be reflected in their actions. But why I picked out that line is due to objectivity, not even the year or make of a car. If that kind of statement can be made then nothing stops a statement like this when he sees a 2014 model driven by someone who does not even give at all whether to poor, family or church. I just get amazed when I see some comments...but it reflects whats inside and it is not nice to see. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by DrummaBoy(m): 4:14pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
@ Alwaystrue Enough of the hypocritical pious maneuvering. The title of the thread is The truth your Pastor would not tell you about tithes. If you are truly concerned about knowing what is in my heart, open a thread on it and title it: The Heart of DrummaBoy and quote me (albeit out of context), I will meet you there. If you cannot do that, you may just shut up and stop derailing the thread. 1 Like |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Nobody: 4:15pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
Alwaystrue: @Bidam,He told us why he stopped tithing here on nairaland.You weren't there the first day na.lol |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Alwaystrue(f): 4:20pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
^^^^^ Whatever it may be...as I said earlier....God is the one who judges the motives. If it is due to carnal reasons, He knows. Many reasons often given are fleshly. It is either due to anger, jealousy, hatred, rebellion or an avenue not to even give so as to supposedly 'have more'. For a heart that truly loves knows what is right as God's word says and does. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Nobody: 4:30pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
Alwaystrue: ^^^^^Yeah..you are right.God knows ALL hearts. But in an anonymous forum like this,it is difficult for people to hide their hearts. So we judge them based on God's word not with the attitude of superiority or condemnation. But on what God has said. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Gombs(m): 4:56pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
Alwaystrue is right in all ramification #Twale |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by PastorKun(m): 7:29pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
Gombs: ^^ Stop displaying your ignorance here, when I changed my ID to Pastor Kun I announced clearly to every one on this forum that I was changing my ID and I completely stopped using the old one, so accusing me of using multiple IDs is at best a very daft statement. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by DrummaBoy(m): 8:20pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
Alwaystrue: ^^^^^ Kudos Madame! At least someone who insinuates that a person who said another person does not tithe but drives a 2006 Benz, and that makes the person rebellious, etc, is a lot better than another person who claims Jesus was a pharisee all in the bid to justify the tithe. At least some people are doing a better job at "deducing" than I ever did. Well done. Impressive!! |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by DrummaBoy(m): 9:04pm On Oct 31, 2013 |
For those who think we war as in the flesh, I am making the effort to state why I stopped tithing. Among many other reasons, and after the dust has settled on my conviction on tithing, this is the word the Lord gave me on tithing. And to show how effective it is, God gave me the wonderful privilege of sharing the meat of it on radio some two months ago in the city of Ibadan. Raising up a healthy debates among churches wether Christians ought to pay or not pay their tithes.That earned me a sack from being a church worker in my local assembly and has pitched me in dis favour with my church leaders. But I am not at all deterred. For those who care to read, this is taken from my blog www.yesufu..com. This, my dear friends is the reason, I will never tithe again in this life: “I CANNOT AFFORD TO BE A CHRISTIAN” |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Nobody: 6:46am On Nov 01, 2013 |
DrummaBoy:Alot better you say?Lol.Even atheists would laff at your comments here.They have enough sense to realise that Jesus was a JEW.ALL jews paid tithes. And to worsen your situation Jesus called gentiles DOGS.Hope you understand your postion? |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by PastorKun(m): 7:11am On Nov 01, 2013 |
Bidam: Alot better you say?Lol.Even atheists When are you going to stop this deceit the bible is crystal clear that only those who produced from the land or reared animals were required to tithed amongst the Jews. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Nobody: 7:40am On Nov 01, 2013 |
Pastor Kun:"In tithes and offerings.You are under a curse-THE WHOLE NATION OF YOU-because you are robbing me.(Mal 3:8b-9). |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by DrummaBoy(m): 8:04am On Nov 01, 2013 |
Bidam: Alot better you say?Lol.Even atheists First Jesus was a pharisee. Now Jesus was a Jew. The firstrule in integrity is for a man to stand by his words. Even atheist do better. Don't U think? Edited |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by DrummaBoy(m): 8:24am On Nov 01, 2013 |
Bidam: Alot better you say?Lol.Even atheists BTW Bidam are U a Jew? Is ur Pastor a Levite? U have no basis for paying tithes today neither does ur pastor have a reason to collect tithes. Redeemed gentiles were never reffered to as dogs. U know whom Jesus was speaking to in dat scripture. The people the NT reffered to a dogs are judaizer 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision (or the cirumcizers). - Phillipians 3:2 The same way that scripture should apply to tithers and those who are bent on binding people to tithe their income; beware of dogs: bewares of pro-tithers! I hope you grabbed that! Edited |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Nobody: 8:45am On Nov 01, 2013 |
DrummaBoy: first Jesus was a pharisee. Now Jesus was a Jew. The firstbrule in integrity is for a man to stand by his words. Even athesit do better. Dont U think?And did you see my post deny it May be you do have a problem with comprehension. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Nobody: 8:47am On Nov 01, 2013 |
DrummaBoy: bTW Bidam are U a Jew? Is ur Pastor a Levite? U.have ni basis for paying tithes today neither does ur pastor have a bais to collect tithes. Redeemed gentiles wer never reffered to as dogs. U know whom Jesus was speaking to in dat scripture. Thise the nt refered to a dogs are judaizer. Plill 3. Same for those who pay tithes according .to Malachi _ the lawSMH! |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Zikkyy(m): 11:43am On Nov 01, 2013 |
This thread should have been titled 'the truth ya pastor will not tell you about God's tithe'. To be fair, there is God's tithe and there are 'tithes'. what are you paying? KunleOshob: KunleOshob: The above is truly one truth ya pastor will not tell you. God's definition of tithe was clear and the Israelite did not have problem determining what their annual tithe should be. Leviticus 27:30-32 is the only tithe that belonged to God. When God talked about being robbed of his tithe, he was referring to the tithe defined in Leviticus 27:30-32. God's tithe should not be mistaken for pastoral tithe. they are not the same thing. and am not so sure that God will rebuke the devourer for tithers paying the pastoral version of tithe o! see example of the pastoral definition of the tithe below...... Image123: for people that care to read; God's tithe is not the same as 'tithe' o! (1/10 or 10% of something). when God said he was being robbed, he was not referring to Abraham's tithe, he was not referring to Jacob's tithe and he was not referring to 'tithe' (as described above). God's tithe cannot be 10% of 'wateva' this is the basis for prosti.tutes paying 10% of their income from doing 'wateva', the same basis for robbers and yahoo boys (& girls) paying 10% of their takings, same basis for bidam, ola & others paying 10% of their income from 'wateva, dependants pay 10% of their gift or allowances (a.k.a. pocket money), even corrupt politicians pay 10% as tithe. and you see all sort of tithe calculations e.g. 10% of salary after PAYE & other statutory deductions, 10% of gross salary, 10% of net salary after deducting all deductibles so who is truly paying God's tithe? the answer is..... nobody. The only group/category of people that pays something resembling God's tithe are people like my man, Joagbaje. The man dey pay 'tithe of tithes' though he is still not paying God's tithe. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Image123(m): 12:05pm On Nov 01, 2013 |
see below |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Image123(m): 12:06pm On Nov 01, 2013 |
nostalgic. i see zikky is still very busy trying to twist my words till date 01/11/13. hohohohoho BTW, heard a fellow was/is a dubious lecturer extorting money from students. Hope it is just hearsay sha. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by shdemidemi(m): 12:11pm On Nov 01, 2013 |
Philippians 2 2 Beware of dogs (Look out for those dogs [Judaizers, legalists]), look out for those mischief-makers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Zikkyy(m): 12:48pm On Nov 01, 2013 |
Image123: You dey deny ya post Image123: is the fellow tithing such income using ya definition income/cash inflow from extortion is tithe-able |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by DrummaBoy(m): 2:09pm On Nov 01, 2013 |
Bidam: SMH! You may refer to my edited posts. Apologies for the errors. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by DrummaBoy(m): 2:17pm On Nov 01, 2013 |
Zikky: [size=16pt]God's tithe cannot be 10% of whateva. this is the basis for prosti.tutes paying 10% of their income from doing 'wateva', the same basis for robbers and yahoo boys (& girls) paying 10% of their takings, same basis for bidam, ola & others paying 10% of their income from 'wateva, dependants pay 10% of their gift or allowances (a.k.a. pocket money), even corrupt politicians pay 10% as tithe. and you see all sort of tithe calculations e.g. 10% of salary after PAYE & other statutory deductions, 10% of gross salary, 10% of net salary after deducting all deductibles so who is truly paying God's tithe? the answer is..... nobody. The only group/category of people that pays something resembling God's tithe are people like my man, Joagbaje. The man dey pay 'tithe of tithes' though he is still not paying God's tithe.[/size] This post is enlarged for all to see; just in case they missed it the first time Zikky posted it. A million likes for this post! 1 Like |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Nobody: 4:16pm On Nov 05, 2013 |
DrummaBoy:And why should i? You quoted and manipulated a scripture out of context,forgeting the fact that Apostle Paul was schooled in judaism, a chronic tither and a pharisee of the pharisees.If that is what Paul meant,then am afraid the scripture is also applicable to him. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by DrummaBoy(m): 4:34pm On Nov 05, 2013 |
Bidam: And why should i? You quoted and manipulated a scripture out of context,f[b]orgeting the fact that Apostle Paul was schooled in judaism, a chronic tither and a pharisee of the pharisees[/b].If that is what Paul meant,then am afraid the scripture is also applicable to him. In case you did not understand the Phillipians 3 scriptures that described the circumcision group as dogs, refer to this one: 11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, [size=16pt]I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?[/size] 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21[b] I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.[/b] And this one: 4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5[b] Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ[/b], Bidam, Can we with all authority conclude that Paul remained a Pharisee all his life from the above scriputures? As a bible teacher can you tell us what these scriptures are saying?[/size] Other translations of Galatians 2:14 When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions? (NLT) When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? (NIV) But when I saw that they were not fnstraightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? (NASB) But when I saw that they do not walk straightforwardly, according to the truth of the glad tidings, I said to Peter before all, If *thou*, being a Jew, livest as the nations and not as the Jews, how dost thou compel the nations to Judaize? (DBY) These scripture above tell me that Paul rebuked Peter for hypocrisy. That Peter, Paul and other disciples like themselves, who were Jews, after their coming to faith in Christ and comprehending the doctrine of grace, no longer kept the law. They did not tithe, keep sabath and they felt free to associate and eat with gentiles. When Peter saw those dogs (the circumcision) he withdrew and gave the impression he was living like a Jew. Paul rebuked that hypocrisy and made it clear that though they were Jews, they lived like gentiles. One last point: Barnabas is recorded in scripture to be a levite. Is it written anywhere that he collected tithes from the disciples or that anyone paid tithes to him. This could not happen because like it was mentioned in Galatians 2, Baranabas no longer lived like a Jew and could not collect tithes. 36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet. Please note that Baranabas did not collect tithes from anyone. Rather, he sold his land and gave the monies to the disciples, in keeping with the grace of giving God had given the disciples in those days, through free will giving, and not legalized tithing or firstfruits. If indeed the apostles, though Jews, still lived like Jews or pharisees, Barnabas would have collected tithes and not give out a free will offering. |
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Nobody: 5:07pm On Nov 05, 2013 |
You are just blowing hot air all over the place.My interest was in the pauline epistle you quoted.We all know Paul was circumcised and to please the Jews he circumcised timothy. So your premise is weak. Am not interested in barnabas.As for the tithes.Paul doesn't collect tithes.He payed tithes.The temple at Jerusalem was not yet destroyed at that time.( Acts 24: 17). It might do you some good to read the whole account of Acts of the Apostle for better understanding,rather than quote the pauline epistles out of context. |
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