ON YAKOWA'S DEATH CELEBRATIONS...
"Christains" Mistake, Muslims Follow-
Follow! ...by Tijjani Muhammad Musa
I have often posted that most Christians of
today are not true followers of Christ (AS), but
just claimers of his faith. They always do
what their hearts desire without the slightest
knowledge of what Jesus said, uphold his
stand on it or observe what he exemplified
about it. Thus a lot of un-Christian acts and
mannerism (pork-eating, fornications, gay
relationship, women exposing hair, women
pastors, topless and mini-skirts wearing to
church, barbaric killing, roasting and eating
of dead Muslims flesh, Aluu 4 etc) are seen
demonstrated by such ignorant so-called
Christians of nowadays, all under the banner
of Christianity. But True Christianity as
practiced by Jesus AS and his disciples has
nothing whatsoever to do with such immoral
behaviours.
Some might say why do some Muslims hold
the above conviction? There are many
reasons to present, the best of which should
be based on knowledge and should come
from Allaah SWT and His Prophet Muhammad
SAWS.
From the Quran, Allaah (God Al-Mighty) Says
in Quran 5:82... "You will surely find the most
intense of the people in animosity toward the
believers (to be) the Jews and those who
associate others with Allaah; AND YOU WILL
FIND THE NEAREST OF THEM IN AFFECTION TO
THE BELIEVERS THOSE WHO SAY, "WE ARE
CHRISTIANS." That is because among them are
priests and monks and because they are not
ignorant."
Looking closely at the above verse, any
analytical mind can extract the following
points:
i) Of all humanity, the Jews hate the Muslims
the most. The world can clearly bear witness
to this fact today, more than any other time
in history.
ii) Of all mankind, those who say "We are
Christians" are the ones who have the most
compassion, affection and closeness to
Muslims. This is what Allaah Has informed us
in the verse above. And because God is the
Knower of the past, present and future, as
well as encompassing man in His Full
Knowledge, He Has leaked this secret to the
believers of His Oneness. So if any who
profess to be a believer in Jesus Christ ( i.e. a
True Christian) and yet he demonstrates
passionate hatred towards the Muslims, then
something is seriously amiss with him or her.
He is in actual fact, not a Christian. But a
claimer of the Christian faith. Could he or she
possibly be something else disguising as a
Christian?
This is because there is a contradiction
between what God Has revealed as one of
the true characteristics of a believer in Christ
Jesus, which is closeness in faith and
affection in interaction to a Muslim and what
that person is demonstrating. And we
Muslims believe God is Perfect and so can not
be wrong. But man, man is full of lies, stupid,
selfish whims and errors. So any real follower
of Jesus Christ would be found to be an
affectionate person to a follower of
Muhammad the Trust-worthy.
iii) Allaah (God) did not just leave us to
speculate or guess why true Christains are
affectionate to Muslims. Knowing mankind
and the various creeds they follow, HE Al-Alim
Said it is because among true lovers of Isa AS,
there are priests and monks and they are
people endowed with knowledge, meaning
they are not people who think or act based
on ignorance or hearsay.
But can we in all honesty say that of the
typical "Christian" of today? From the way
they act and behave, can any one with all
sincerity say they act or react to situations
based on knowledge? The answer is a simple
"No". Most of them do not even know much
about Jesus's Christianity, but act based on
the sentiments and brainwash infused in
them by the new crop of "Priests" and "Men
of God".
Now, why are we saying all these? In all
sincerity, this is not meant for the Christians,
much more than it is meant for our brothers
and sisters in Islam. Those who have chosen
to celebrate the death of a human being, a
soul whose true status they might not know,
whether he was a Christian or a Muslim. Only
Allaah SWT Knows that for sure. Though they
might see him physically as a Non-Muslim, but
it is what is contained in his heart that matter
to Allaah. And there are instance when many
become Muslims at the very point of death
and so die as such.
If we recall the case of the Abbysinian King
Najashi (Negus of Ethiopia), didn't the
Prophet SAWS gathered his disciples and
prayed the janazaah salat in absentia on him
upon learning of his death? Can any one say
with conviction whether Negus ever declared
his Shahada (Declaration of Islamic faith)?
How about Hasiya, the wife of Pharoah of
Egypt? She lived with the tyranic ruler as a
believer in Allaah till she was discovered and
eventually killed by Fir'aun. Her last words
were captured and enshrined in the Qur'an
by Allaah for us to remember her till the last
day.
So, what are such death celebrating Muslims
doing? Why are they behaving like the
ignorant Christians, who hate Islam and
Muslims? Is it a case of retaliation, a vendatta,
a "Do me, I do you" thing? For any Muslim to
stoop so low as to celebrate the death of
another, he or she should know they are
acting in their personal capacity and not
under the umbrella of Islam.
The first time this terrible evil behaviour was
publicly demonstrated in Nigeria was in
1998. I bore witness to it as a student in the
university when Christians went agog with
celebrations after the death of General Sani
Abacha, then Head of State was announced.
The joyful jubilations by the Christains
students on campus and we later learnt
nationwide was one of the most unfortunate
thing to have happened to this country and it
setted the ball rolling for similar celebrations
to follow. Yar'Adua's death was the most
recent. It is just like the 1966 coup for the
subsequent over-throws of governments
that followed.
Now we hear and read in the media that the
Muslims have joined the bandwagon and
have decided to pay back the Christians in
their own coins. Governor Patrick Ibrahim
Yakowa's death in a helicopter crash has
been met with celebrations by some ill-
informed Muslims. What they fail to realize is
that, though the non-Muslims can act as they
wish, yes as their heart individually desires,
of course none of them can claim or justify
that it is religiously enshrined in the Bible for
any Christian to celebrate the death of
anyone, Muslim or Non-Muslim. It is not
permissible for Muslims to act in such an
uncivilized, jahiliyyah manner!
The hujjah (proof) for this is the Prophetic
saying predicting this very sad development
among others. Our noble Prophet SAWS
related that there are a group among his
Ummah who will behave exactly like the
misguided nations of the Jews and Christians
i.e. copy them, in their lifestyles, actions and
reactions and even customs. Abu Hurairah
(RA) narrated that An-Nabiy SAWS said:
"The Hour (of Judgement) will not come until
my Ummah follows the way of those who
came before it, hand span by hand span,
cubit by cubit." It was said, "O Messenger of
Allaah, like the Persians and Romans?" He
SAWS said "Who are the people except
those?" - Recorded by Al-Bukhaari
In another hadith, he (peace be upon him)
said "You will follow the ways of those who
came before you, hand span by hand span,
cubit by cubit; even if they were to enter the
hole of a lizard, you will follow them" We
asked "Messenger of Allaah, (do you mean)
the Jews and the Christians?" He (pbuh) said
"Who else?"
So what else should surprise us? The
Christians, ignorant ones among them find
joy and happiness in the death of people that
are not adherents of their ways and so
publicly celebrate the news of death of
Muslims, then claim it is for Christianity. And
sadly, though it is not approved by the
religion of Islam, misguided and ignorant
Muslims have chosen to follow-follow the so-
called Christians by equally copying them
"hand span by hand span, cubit by cubit"!
And what more, they are also claiming they
are doing it for Islam. This is un-Islamic and
has nothing to do with the religion of
Muhammad, the Deen of Allaah!
As it was for the people who came before us,
so it is for any among us who act in similar
fashion like the non-believers. We must
remember once again the saying of our
Prophet pbuh that whoever opens his mouth
to speak, he should either say that which is
good or remain silent. And there is no where
it says except if it is against those who are
non-Muslims.
If the ignorant among Christians choose to
celebrate their ignorance by showing their
pleasure for the death of any human soul
unjustifiably, as the best set of people raised
for mankind as stated in the Qur'an, true
Muslims must not stoop that low.
May Allah Guide us aright and make us sound
ambassadors of the Islamic Creed, amin.

Nice article, must have taken sometime to compile.

maclatunji: Nice article, must have taken sometime to compile.

I can see u Muslims are ball less and hates the truth. You hid my post. U can only do that here and no where else.

I repeat the writer of this article is not in the right frame of mind for spreading falsehood. Only Muslims would celebrate when a Christian/non Muslims goes down. Christians are too matured in spirit of forgiveness and leaving things to God.

The author lied that Christians celebrated when Abacha died, whereas all Nigerians comprising Muslims, Christians and non religious pple did. People rejoiced that a wicked Muslim leader that murdered, tortured and humiliated the innocent died a shameful death.

You should be wise enough by not allowing misleading articles stay on Nairaland if u are good moderator.

toba: I can see u Muslims are ball less and hates the truth. Only Muslims would celebrate when a Christian/non Muslims goes down. Christians are too matured in spirit of forgiveness and leaving things to God.

The author lied that Christians celebrated when Abacha died, whereas all Nigerians comprising Muslims, Christians and non religious pple did. People rejoiced that a wicked Muslim leader that murdered, tortured and humiliated the innocent died a shameful death.

So why did Christians in "their spirit of maturity and forgiveness" not forgive that "wicked and murderous" Abacha while the "vindictive Muslims and non-religious folks were celebrating"?

Christians are saying that Muslims "arranged" the death of Yakowa. Where is the commandment not to bear false witness?


Now let us put your claim of maturity and forgiveness to test

Muslim pilgrims die during Hajj - Christians rejoice
1. https://www.nairaland.com/1090185/twenty-nigerians-died-saudi-arabia

Muslims struck by lightning, Christians celebrate
2 https://www.nairaland.com/1015867/13-die-lightning-strikes-mosque

Flooding in the North. Christians are happy at being "vindicated"
3 https://www.nairaland.com/1017894/flooding-jos-kills-least-28

Yaradua
http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Essays/ilagha/post_presidential_installation/niger_delta_capital.htm
www..com/talk/?action=printpage;topic=36605.0


I opened another thread before seeing this
https://www.nairaland.com/1135906/muslims-celebrate-misfortune-others-while#13437696

Muslims una own tire me, i was young when Abacha died,but with wat hv heared from Elders,people were happy dat a dictator had died,thats why they group him under Idi Amin nd not religion,as for Yar'dua if anybody celebrated,it was because they felt justice had finally be done to them,cause Peter Odili was not allowed to become d presido,it was not because of religion nd if i may ask why did people not celebrate when Murtala was killed by another Muslim or hv u people not hw he is being eulogized

la cosa nostra: Muslims una own tire me, i was young when Abacha died,but with wat hv heared from Elders,people were happy dat a dictator had died,thats why they group him under Idi Amin nd not religion,as for Yar'dua if anybody celebrated,it was because they felt justice had finally be done to them,cause Peter Odili was not allowed to become d presido,it was not because of religion

We are making progress
So these Christians celebrated the death of Muslims
Why should it tire you and not the Muslims. Afteral Muslims did not put the Christians celebration of the death of Yaradua on the front page of NL when it happened
How can justice be the death of somebody who won a party's nomination
Christians are the one posturing about respecting the wishes of the voters.
The power of incumbency was used against Atiku last year (Elechi did not allow Atiku campaign, Anenih threatened delegates)
Yet there is now injustice if they don't win!
Are there acceptable reasons for celebrating the death of another human being? If yes, can we agree now on those reasons in case somebody dies in the future
Is it INjustice if a muslim from the North takes power after 8 years by a Christian from the South?
How can people who have always complained of marginalisation think like this!
I tire

la cosa nostra:
if i may ask why did people not celebrate when Murtala was killed by another Muslim or hv u people not hw he is being eulogized

Murtala (a Muslim) was not killed by a Muslim.
He was killed by Christians - Dimka and Bisala (Minister of Defence) were the most prominent
Murtala ruled for 6 months before being massacred by people who wanted to return Christians to power
He took over in a bloodless coup from a Christian (Gowon) who had ruled for 9 years

My bad i thought Dimka was a muslim,but there must be a muslim among them nd for every other thing u wrote maybe u did not notice me saying religion had nothing to do with people celebrating,u people should stop mixing religion nd politics nd i want u BETATHINGS to answer dis question,when Yardua died, those who celebrated was it was because he was a muslim or notherner

^^^^^
Most of the coup plotters were Christians from Plateau state
The co-ordinator was from Plateau while the most senior person - a General was from Plateau
Any muslim you could find was inconsequential and was just to give some impression/make up a/number
We know that Plateau state proudly calls itself the Christian state of Plateau

Incidentally that is the only state in the whole federation to designate an official religion in a country where muslims are daily accused of trying to islamise the country.
Think about the reaction of Christians if a pastor dreamt that Muslims were trying to designate a state a Muslim state
The press would be awash with the news for months, NL pages would run into tens, Pastor Oritsejafor would have held several international conferences

I tire for hands of Christians really

lol u did not answer my question nd i guess the other coups against shagari,ibb,buhari were carried out by christians to return christians to power just like they did against shonekan,dont mix religion with politics,especially 9ja own

la cosa nostra: lol u did not answer my question nd i guess the other coups against shagari,ibb,buhari were carried out by christians to return christians to power just like they did against shonekan,dont mix religion with politics,especially 9ja own

Sorry

Buhari took over from Shagari; IBB took over from Buhari, Shonekan was installed to neutralise the mandate of Abiola
When IBB left, Abacha was the most senior person and it was as if the interim arrangement was designed to bring Abacha into power
Some people said he should have retired with IBB, but tricked IBB saying he needed to stay around to stabilise the interim government. So hard to say


Christians said that we rejoiced over Yakowa's death. How did they know that it was for religious purpose if I cannot tell about Yaradua
You want me to say if people rejoiced over Yaradua's death for religion or tribalism
When there is an intersection of the two, some will rejoice for
(1) religion
(2) tribe
(3) and both

It is hard to tell which is dominant. But both were at play

But religion is in a catholic marriage with politics in the Nigeria of today. Did you see the Holy Ghost service attended by Jonathan last Friday. Christians were clapping as if Jonathan was talking about another country! The same Jonathan that did not allow calls to go through during that media chat appeared at the Redemption Camp like a very humble and transparent president

do nlers not celebrate the same way whenever they hear someone died?

how is it necessarily a religious thing.

tpia1: do nlers not celebrate the same way whenever they hear someone died?
how is it necessarily a religious thing.

Why are we suddenly doubting the motives of those who celebrated the death of Yaradua

Did we have this debate when someone opened a thread and alleged that Muslims rejoiced over the death of Yakowa. Christain poster after Christian poster berated muslims, called us names and told us to shut up when some people pointed out that the claim was of the celebration was not confirmed

But now celebration of Yaradua might not have a religious tone! No way. christians pronounce Muslims guilty even before any offence is committed.

There is an "abuse-Muslims-a-day" mentality demoinstrated by Christians everytime.
Pls go up. Hajj casualties are mocked. That is RELIGIOUS
Muslims struck by lightning while praying were ridiculed and wish for more calamities were expressed. That is RELIGIOUS

So where is the room for any doubts about the reason for rejoicing over Yaradua's death?

BetaThings:


So why did Christians in "their spirit of maturity and forgiveness" not forgive that "wicked and murderous" Abacha while the "vindictive Muslims and non-religious folks were celebrating"?

Christians are saying that Muslims "arranged" the death of Yakowa. Where is the commandment not to bear false witness?


Now let us put your claim of maturity and forgiveness to test

Muslim pilgrims die during Hajj - Christians rejoice
1. https://www.nairaland.com/1090185/twenty-nigerians-died-saudi-arabia

Muslims struck by lightning, Christians celebrate
2 https://www.nairaland.com/1015867/13-die-lightning-strikes-mosque

Flooding in the North. Christians are happy at being "vindicated"
3 https://www.nairaland.com/1017894/flooding-jos-kills-least-28

Yaradua
http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Essays/ilagha/post_presidential_installation/niger_delta_capital.htm
www..com/talk/?action=printpage;topic=36605.0


I opened another thread before seeing this
https://www.nairaland.com/1135906/muslims-celebrate-misfortune-others-while#13437696

I was expecting something better from u, judging by ur handle on NL, but i was wrong. What % of Nigerians constitute NL members? How far does opinion expressed on NL goes in affecting reality? I thought you would give me a link that actual depicts real life celebration of christians after the death of an islamic leader.

What we heard happened in Kaduna where muslims publicly celebrated the death of an innocent christian leader has never happened before in Nigeria. I may be wrong but i need a credible proof to confirm such. Muslims take the lead in everything evil.

suicide bombing was started by them in Nigeria. No? street celebration of the death of the innocent also.

Now as regards the death of Abacha, when the wicked perish for his evil, there are shout(s) of Joy. Nothing wrong with celebrating the death of someone that killed innocent Nigerians. what evil has Yakowa done?

rem when Jonathan nominated Sambo to be the VP, these same muslims protested the fact that Yakowa is a christian and they dont want a christian to rule them. PDP intervened before the matter was laid to rest.

The action of ur pple is bad and evil

Wbb, just typed a long reply which didnt post.

toba: I was expecting something better from u, judging by ur handle on NL, but i was wrong. What % of Nigerians constitute NL members? How far does opinion expressed on NL goes in affecting reality? I thought you would give me a link that actual depicts real life celebration of christians after the death of an islamic leader.

What we heard happened in Kaduna where muslims publicly celebrated the death of an innocent christian leader has never happened before in Nigeria. I may be wrong but i need a credible proof to confirm such.

1. Did you get a link/confirmation about the celebration in Kaduna that you gleefully quoted. Was this NL that is divorced from reality not your source? Can you give a link now since it is still a topical event?
As for links on Yaradua try this - remember that we are dealing with a cold trail now

http://www..com/talk/?action=printpage;topic=36605.0

http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Essays/ilagha/post_presidential_installation/niger_delta_capital.htm

2. Anybody who comes to NL to gloat about the misfortune of others will do so in real life. And sadly the most active/educated segment of the society come to Nairaland and they represent the future even with their bigotry

toba:
Muslims take the lead in everything evil.
suicide bombing was started by them in Nigeria. No? street celebration of the death of the innocent also.

Now as regards the death of Abacha, when the wicked perish for his evil, there are shout(s) of Joy. Nothing wrong with celebrating the death of someone that killed innocent Nigerians. what evil has Yakowa done?

rem when Jonathan nominated Sambo to be the VP, these same muslims protested the fact that Yakowa is a christian and they dont want a christian to rule them. PDP intervened before the matter was laid to rest.

The action of ur pple is bad and evil

The first bloody coup in this country was executed by Christians
Christians were the first to follow a bloodless coup with a bloody one (Dimka and Bisala)
A Christians leader was the first person to punish a sin by burning to death a member of his congregation
Christians are the only group whose mainstream segments take disreputable actions
Christians compose curses on Hamas (in the ME); they supported the satanic Iraqi war
Boko Haram are in the minority and we condemn them
Only Christians proudly celebrate double standards. Nigerian should not allow Islamic Bank because of the peculiarities of our country and Muslims want to Islamise this country. Yet we have a Christian state of Plateau. Now we re having a National Christmas Tree

Regarding Abacha, you claimed that Christians are too matured and forgiving to celebrate. But you are now saying the celebration
of his death was justified. Note that people only forgive the wicked
That forgiveness you spoke of should have been demonstrated in the case of Abacha
Please clarify this
Are Christians too matured/FORGIVING to celebrate or do they celebrate the death of "wicked" people?

Muslims acknowledge the actions of our ignorant ones who are in the minority
But Christianity is not likely to be reformable. The bad actions are led by the mainstream, not the extremists. You use clever but insincere arguments to shield your bad action and intentions from scrutiny. You justify cursing, you make wild accusations against others, spreading hate in the process. You use the "anointing" cloak to muzzle queries about dubious actions of your leaders while using the press to magnify the evil of the a few extremists in other groups

BetaThings:

1. Did you get a link/confirmation about the celebration in Kaduna that you gleefully quoted. Was this NL that is divorced from reality not your source? Can you give a link now since it is still a topical event?
As for links on Yaradua try this - remember that we are dealing with a cold trail now

http://www..com/talk/?action=printpage;topic=36605.0

http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Essays/ilagha/post_presidential_installation/niger_delta_capital.htm

2. Anybody who comes to NL to gloat about the misfortune of others will do so in real life. And sadly the most active/educated segment of the society come to Nairaland and they represent the future even with their bigotry



The first bloody coup in this country was executed by Christians
Christians were the first to follow a bloodless coup with a bloody one (Dimka and Bisala)
A Christians leader was the first person to punish a sin by burning to death a member of his congregation
Christians are the only group whose mainstream segments take disreputable actions
Christians compose curses on Hamas (in the ME); they supported the satanic Iraqi war
Boko Haram are in the minority and we condemn them
Only Christians proudly celebrate double standards. Nigerian should not allow Islamic Bank because of the peculiarities of our country and Muslims want to Islamise this country. Yet we have a Christian state of Plateau. Now we re having a National Christmas Tree

Regarding Abacha, you claimed that Christians are too matured and forgiving to celebrate. But you are now saying the celebration
of his death was justified. Note that people only forgive the wicked
That forgiveness you spoke of should have been demonstrated in the case of Abacha
Please clarify this
Are Christians too matured/FORGIVING to celebrate or do they celebrate the death of "wicked" people?

Muslims acknowledge the actions of our ignorant ones who are in the minority
But Christianity is not likely to be reformable. The bad actions are led by the mainstream, not the extremists. You use clever but insincere arguments to shield your bad action and intentions from scrutiny. You justify cursing, you make wild accusations against others, spreading hate in the process. You use the "anointing" cloak to muzzle queries about dubious actions of your leaders while using the press to magnify the evil of the a few extremists in other groups

May Allah continue to reward you and enrich you with knowledge. Amin

You not only prove toba to be a liar ok may be we should settle for grand Ignoramus but also a hypocrite suddenly christians don't celebrate others misfortune suddenly turns into justifiable celebration of misfortune. Is there truth when dealing with this people? we too don tire for unah!

U guys should give me a break,u guys are saying Christians celebrate d death of muslims as regards d Yakowa case nd d example u people brought was dat of Abacha nd Yardua.Abacha's death was celebrated because saw him as d Idi Amin of 9ja nd not d Imam,for Yardua i can say dat am 90% sure those who celebrated did it because they felt their son is now d president,something dat escaped them in d election dat brought Yardua by d whiskers starting from d PDP primaries nd not because Yardua was d Imam of d grand mosque Abuja nd if d media had reported dat fulanis celebrate d death of Yakowa,saying our fulani brother will replace d hausa man,d issue here will be dat of tribalism nd i actually saw dis news in a newspaper cant rember which now but a google search will help nd BETATHINGS WHY DID CHRISTIANS NOT CELEBRATE WHEN MURTALA WAS KILLED BUT INSTEAD EULOGIZE HIM ND U SEEM TO SAY D COUP AGAINST MURTALA WAS DONE TO BRING A CHRISTIAN TO POWER,D ONES OF BUHARI,IBB ND ABACHA WAS DONE TO BRING A CHRISTIAN TO POWER OR MAYBE A SHIA AGAINST A SUNNI MUSLIM

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And why did muslims also cry when Yakowa died?

And do you know when Pope John Paul came to Nigerian and Lebanon muslims came out to welcome him? When will you dudes get rid of evangelism by lies.

Vedaxcool what d heck are u saying

la cosa nostra: U guys should give me a break,u guys are saying Christians celebrate d death of muslims as regards d Yakowa case nd d example u people brought was dat of Abacha nd Yardua.Abacha's death was celebrated because saw him as d Idi Amin of 9ja nd not d Imam,for Yardua i can say dat am 90% sure those who celebrated did it because they felt their son is now d president,something dat escaped them in d election dat brought Yardua by d whiskers starting from d PDP primaries nd not because Yardua was d Imam of d grand mosque Abuja nd if d media had reported dat fulanis celebrate d death of Yakowa,saying our fulani brother will replace d hausa man,d issue here will be dat of tribalism nd i actually saw dis news in a newspaper cant rember which now but a google search will help nd BETATHINGS WHY DID CHRISTIANS NOT CELEBRATE WHEN MURTALA WAS KILLED BUT INSTEAD EULOGIZE HIM ND U SEEM TO SAY D COUP AGAINST MURTALA WAS DONE TO BRING A CHRISTIAN TO POWER,D ONES OF BUHARI,IBB ND ABACHA WAS DONE TO BRING A CHRISTIAN TO POWER OR MAYBE A SHIA AGAINST A SUNNI MUSLIM

Yakowas dies, a thread opens with the subject "Muslims celebrate death of Yakowa". No link, no source provided
Is that not a religious post?
So what should muslims do? Argue that it is tribalistic?
Anyway, the pages ran into 11 or 12. No matter what we said Christians stood firm that Muslims did it
If you don't want muslims to respond don' start. You started the issue of Murtala
We don't go telling false tales, but we will set records straight when issues are raised

I believe it is unfair for you to raise an issue and expect us to just keep quiet and accept as if you are always telling the truth
I invite you to look around Nairaland. Christians seem to be looking for news that will tarnish the image of Muslims
But when Christians infringe decency, they don't mention religion

Let me ask this questions
1. Why does it seem that the greatest fear of Christians is that people might think that Muslims are good people
2. Why do Christians insist on pinning on Islam the misdeeds of some Muslims that have no basis in Islam. Muslims still do things based on their culture.
3. Why do Christians live peacefully (and even overstay) in places like Malaysia, UAE, Qatar, Libya but inundate us on NL with stories of how intolerant muslims are?
4. Why do Christians blame the UK for the amalgamation and the map of Nigeria but don't do so for the map of the middle east?
5. Why do Christians blame the crisis in Iraq on muslims when it was a Christian country that fabricated lies upon lies, building up hysteria to be able to topple the government which though somewhat flawed had hitherto ensured that people were able to move around in peace

BetaThings:

1. Did you get a link/confirmation about the celebration in Kaduna that you gleefully quoted. Was this NL that is divorced from reality not your source? Can you give a link now since it is still a topical event?
As for links on Yaradua try this - remember that we are dealing with a cold trail now

http://www..com/talk/?action=printpage;topic=36605.0

http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Essays/ilagha/post_presidential_installation/niger_delta_capital.htm

2. Anybody who comes to NL to gloat about the misfortune of others will do so in real life. And sadly the most active/educated segment of the society come to Nairaland and they represent the future even with their bigotry



The first bloody coup in this country was executed by Christians
Christians were the first to follow a bloodless coup with a bloody one (Dimka and Bisala)
A Christians leader was the first person to punish a sin by burning to death a member of his congregation
Christians are the only group whose mainstream segments take disreputable actions
Christians compose curses on Hamas (in the ME); they supported the satanic Iraqi war
Boko Haram are in the minority and we condemn them
Only Christians proudly celebrate double standards. Nigerian should not allow Islamic Bank because of the peculiarities of our country and Muslims want to Islamise this country. Yet we have a Christian state of Plateau. Now we re having a National Christmas Tree

Regarding Abacha, you claimed that Christians are too matured and forgiving to celebrate. But you are now saying the celebration
of his death was justified. Note that people only forgive the wicked
That forgiveness you spoke of should have been demonstrated in the case of Abacha
Please clarify this
Are Christians too matured/FORGIVING to celebrate or do they celebrate the death of "wicked" people?

Muslims acknowledge the actions of our ignorant ones who are in the minority
But Christianity is not likely to be reformable. The bad actions are led by the mainstream, not the extremists. You use clever but insincere arguments to shield your bad action and intentions from scrutiny. You justify cursing, you make wild accusations against others, spreading hate in the process. You use the "anointing" cloak to muzzle queries about dubious actions of your leaders while using the press to magnify the evil of the a few extremists in other groups

Just seeing this post. would respond soon

Let's not forget our differences;
Lets understand our differences-SARDAUNA
We shld be sincere to ourselves for us to coexist

BetaThings:

1. Did you get a link/confirmation about the celebration in Kaduna that you gleefully quoted. Was this NL that is divorced from reality not your source? Can you give a link now since it is still a topical event?

Naaa Dont be naive. There are several links that actually carried the news and not just forum discussants expressing a non binding opinion. Here's a very credible source. A serving governor condemned the act, which means it actually happened 'Inhuman and unreligious” – Babangida condemns those celebrating Yakowa’s death'[/b]http://dailypost.com.ng/2012/12/21/inhuman-unreligious-babangida-condemns-celebrating-yakowas-death/?wt=2 another one [b]'Jubilation Over Gov. Yakowa's Death By Muslims In Kaduna: Patrick Obahiagbon Speaks'
http://www.nigeriafilms.com/news/19868/42/jubilation-over-gov-yakowas-death-by-muslims-in-ka.html

BetaThings:
As for links on Yaradua try this - remember that we are dealing with a cold trail now

http://www..com/talk/?action=printpage;topic=36605.0

http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Essays/ilagha/post_presidential_installation/niger_delta_capital.htm

This are still not credible. The first link is a forum like Nl, where pple express their opinion, whilst the other does not even help you case cos i got this from the link. 'As Nigeria turns 50, the London-based Nigerian poet, journalist and broadcaster, Nengi Josef Ilagha, calls on the Federal Government to relocate the Federal Capital Territory to the Niger Delta, if it truly means to develop the oil-rich region. In a 223-page book entitled The Militant Writes Back, dedicated to the memory of late President Umar Musa Yar’Adua, the author projects this proposition as the ultimate guarantee for peace and stability in a new Nigeria. Published by Treasure Books, Nigeria, The Militant Writes Back begins with a candid word of hope and encouragement for President Goodluck Jonathan.' Its a personal opinion by someone. I have given u links above that actually confirms what i've alleged and what we both know happened except if we want to pretend.

BetaThings:
2. Anybody who comes to NL to gloat about the misfortune of others will do so in real life.

This is a very very false assertion and devoid of any reasonability. How do u know this? How many NLders have u met in the real world exhibiting same character they exhibit on the internet? I think we need to be very careful with what we type in order not to misinform pple. Is there a stat that confirms this to be very accurate?

BetaThings:
And sadly the most active/educated segment of the society come to Nairaland and they represent the future even with their bigotry

This is another misinformation and a blatant lie. How many active members do we have on NL? according to the forum(which could be fictitious) we have over 800,000 registered members. How many members can be online in a particular hour? see this fresh update [center]'Members Online:
(980 Members and 2441 Guests online in last 10 minutes!)'[/center] whats the % of 980 in a country of over 160million? Lets even say only 30million Nigerians are educated and that 5000 members will always be active, what is the % of this 5000 in 30million? What im saying is that there are somethings that happens here, that remains here and will never change the happening in the real world. So pls this is another wrong assertion. That some members feel certain way doesn't mean real pple in the real world will feel sameway

BetaThings:
The first bloody coup in this country was executed by Christians
Christians were the first to follow a bloodless coup with a bloody one (Dimka and Bisala)
A Christians leader was the first person to punish a sin by burning to death a member of his congregation

I think you really need to revisit the history of Nigeria and how Usman dan fodio brought Islam to Nigeria. This was the beginning of violence.

BetaThings:
Christians are the only group whose mainstream segments take disreputable actions

This is a lie. Does christians cut off a hand for stealing? does christians in Nigeria stone pple to death for adultery? does christians in Nigeria kill and bomb offices over a publication on Jesus christ?

BetaThings:
Christians compose curses on Hamas (in the ME);

Even though the scope of this discourse is limited to Nigeria, i would tell u that Hamas is a terrorist organization like Alqaeda and Taliban. If u can criticise terrorists, then u should criticize Hamas. Hamas started the recent war in the middle east with the continued firing of rockets into Israel.

BetaThings:
they supported the satanic Iraqi war

epic fail. The war in iraq had no religious basis. Pls check.

BetaThings:
Boko Haram are in the minority and we condemn them

Minority terrorizing over 160million Nigerians. See i love my life. If i heard that a place would be bombed by Boko Haram, do u think iwould have stayed to die? u also would do same thing, likewise over 150million other Nigerians. Boko is terrorizing all of us. Have u heard of what just happened in Kano?

BetaThings:
Only Christians proudly celebrate double standards.

How sir?

BetaThings:
Nigerian should not allow Islamic Bank because of the peculiarities of our country and Muslims want to Islamise this country. Yet we have a Christian state of Plateau. Now we re having a National Christmas Tree

I seriously dont understand this bigotry statement of urs. You muslims claim that u are more than the others in terms of population, what else do u want? Even the plateau that u cited has Muslim inhabitants, yet they still cause violence. So what are u saying?

BetaThings:
Regarding Abacha, you claimed that Christians are too matured and forgiving to celebrate. But you are now saying the celebration
of his death was justified. Note that people only forgive the wicked
That forgiveness you spoke of should have been demonstrated in the case of Abacha
Please clarify this
Are Christians too matured/FORGIVING to celebrate or do they celebrate the death of "wicked" people?

Nice. If anyone offends a christian, directly or indirectly, he/she has to forgive the offender except if the laws of the land prevents the christian from doing so. Now Christians wouldn't bomb THISDAY newspaper's office in 2011 for a publication of 2002 about Jesus Christ. That's the forgiveness i'm talking about. A christian shouldn't do an eye for an eye. Yoruba says 'adiye dami logun nu, ma fo leyin' The case of Abacha has no religious undertone. The man was wicked and refused to repent from his wicked ways. He died and pple celebrated the death of a bad leader and an oppressor and not the death of a Muslim. If u are an oppressor and i got liberated from you, dont i have the right to celebrate freedom? The case of Yakowa was different. Only Muslims never wanted him. Abacha all Nigerians never wanted him. I hope i tried in answering

BetaThings:
Muslims acknowledge the actions of our ignorant ones who are in the minority
But Christianity is not likely to be reformable. [quote author=BetaThings]Why are u making affirmative statements?

[quote author=BetaThings]
The bad actions are led by the mainstream, not the extremists.

I dont agree with you at all. I think it has to do with the teachings which makes an average muslim a potential militant

BetaThings: You use clever but insincere arguments to shield your bad action and intentions from scrutiny. You justify cursing, you make wild accusations against others, spreading hate in the process.

False accusation.

BetaThings: You use the "anointing" cloak to muzzle queries about dubious actions of your leaders while using the press to magnify the evil of the a few extremists in other groups

Once again false accusation. I stated what can be regarded as facts.

^Usman dan Fodio brought Islam to Nigeria? That is premium quality ignorance.

Paris-Love:
Great, atleast he's not quoting pagans, atheists, satanists and what have you to discredit Christians. bigots

u dey mind the mumu. I said that on purpose cos of his so called Jihad (the Fulani War), against the Hausa Kingdoms of Northern Nigeria. This represent a significant breakthrough for islam and the actual violence the religion represents. I dont need to go to wiki for explaination of the coming of islam through slave trade. Im dwelling on the violent aspect of the 'religion of peace'

^LOL, ignorance and misrepresentation exposed.

maclatunji: ^LOL, ignorance and misrepresentation exposed.

lol. I've always known u to be ball less and a very Lazy fellow. if u are not, make an attempt to debunk atleast 3 of what i've alleged in my post.

toba: lol. I've always known u to be ball less and a very Lazy fellow. if u are not, make an attempt to debunk atleast 3 of what i've alleged in my post.

LOL. It has been proven that you are duplicitous, I am not interested in merry-go-rounding with you. Name-calling from you is not a new thing, what else is new?